Front Suspension Options: Spacer Lift = Cheap, easy, excellent for mall crawlers. Not the best choice if your off roading involves more than easy trails and fire roads. Does not improve your load handling Westcott style Preload Lift = Reasonably priced, a bit more complicated preloads your suspension increasing ride stiffness offsets spring compression but does not actually give you more load handling. Will accelerate spring fatigue Coilover Replacements = Expensive, but otherwise covers all the bases. Fairly easy to install. Wide range of pricing and function depending on your needs. (do not take my advice or anyone else you "meet on the street" talk to an actual suspension expert better yet talk to several of them.) A Fox mid travel kit like Cloe installed is great for all around use. You need to figure out how much lift and spring rate you need to handle your tire size, and handle the weight of your bumper, winch, and other accessories. A proper kit will be approximately tuned to your needs this is why many companies offer different spring rates and different lift heights, though many retailers do not seem to be knowledgeable enough to sell you the right product. Rear Suspension Options: (You NEED some rear suspension mod if you regularly have a heavy load (metal bumper, extra fuel, water, camping gear, roof top tents, etc.) or if you regularly pull a trailer of some form.) Blocks = NO!!! JUST DON'T!!! these have been around since the 70s, but they are only suitable for show vehicles that are not going to see real driving. At very least IF you get blocks for your mall crawler or daily driver to make it look cool, PLEASE do yourself a favor and also get traction bars. Add-A-Leaf = These are more complicated to install as you have to disassemble your leaf pack in most cases, BUT they are a cheap (I have seen them as li'l as $80 so only twice the cost of a set of blocks) and effective way to upgrade your rear suspension. They will increase the spring stiffness and make for a bumpier ride. Replacement springs = More expensive but very easy to install, they come in a variety of spring rates, and even come in progressive variable rates which will allow for a smoother ride when you have li'l to no weight and yet will still handle heavy loads. Air Helper Springs = Not to be confused with an air suspension conversion, these are usually easy to install, and allow you to adjust your suspension to compensate for your changing load. They can be reasonably priced, or can get fairly expensive depending on the bells and whistles. IMO this is an excellent choice for a daily driver that is used under a variety of conditions. they are not popular for rock crawlers as they are vulnerable to puncture. Full Suspension Kits: This can get pricy tanging from $1500-1600 for something like an OME lift kit to tens of thousands for something more radical. As with front and rear components, they have a variety of options that largely boil down to "how are you lifting the front", and how are you lifting the back". The advantage is the manufactures often include most everything you need with a reputable kit. Basic Lift Kit = replacement struts/springs and rear springs or add a leaf. Usually cheap. Usually easy to install can range from a kit like the basic OME kit and will come with replacement front coils, a set of rear add a leafs or rear springs depending on the kit, and a set of shocks. It is a simple bolt on project that can be done in an afternoon. The OME kit for the third gen tacoma does not include a differential drop, but all this is is a set of replacement bolts and a spacer. Such can be found on amazon for $20. That will improve your front axle angles to take stress off the drivetrain components. Likewise there is a driveshaft drop spacer that is similarly affordable that will improve your driveshaft angle if you go with a 3" lift kit. Intermediate Lift Kit = pricier more advanced components such as the Fox Mid Travel kit (much like Cloe has), these kits by various manufactures often include a better UCA, coilovers (perhaps remote reservoir), matching rear shocks, and often an add a leaf or replacement spring. they can easily cost around $5000 by the time you are done regardless of if you piece the parts together yourself or buy a kit. They are often easy to install Advanced Lift Kits = These as the name implies are more advanced. They potentially have every bell and whistle you could want such as dual shock kits, long travel kits, etc. They replace many more components, and may require cutting and welding suspension parts, driveline parts, and even steering components. However they can be exactly what the doctor ordered when it comes to having the perfect suspension for the type of use you have in mind for your vehicle, but expect to pay in excess of $10,000 by the time all is said and done. Example build: My truck (2018 Tacoma TRD Off Road LBDC)... Use: Daily driver/work truck, weekend overlander, occasional off roader (mild trails, but rougher than dirt roads) in East Tennessee. I am not taking it rock crawling, I am not desert racing. We have rock and mud trails, we have tree branches over growing our trails, and we have mud holes that can be mistaken for ponds :) I am still driving stock, but when my current tires wear out, I plan on upgrading to 255/85r16 KM3s on the stock rims (eventually replaced with method bead grip or similar to allow me to air down further). I tow trailers with my truck, I load it up with ladders and pressure washers, I load it up with lumber, and I load it up with camping gear. Despite this even a mini skid steer on a trailer only caused it to squat 2 inches. When I get my new tires I am also going to do a basic 3" suspension lift with an OME lift kit ($1680), sway bar drop spacer kit (from amazon with moog urethane bushings) ($35), a differential drop kit (also from amazon) ($20), and a driveshaft drop kit (OME) ($25). The kit comes with full rear springs (I am only getting the medium duty springs to retain ride comfort). I will have basic shocks, not remote reservoir (though I will be jealous of Cloe having those Fox remote coilovers), but the rear will be a set of full springs. I am also looking at a basic Air Helper Spring with some airline parts ($300) which I will tie into my OBA (which is presently just a compressor and some lines to front and rear bumpers, but I have plans for upgrading that as well as budget permits) In all the suspension will run around $2500 and the tires will run around $1200, but it will look good, give me added clearance (and better traction on the trails thanks to the tire upgrade), and good manners on the road regardless of what I am carrying or towing. I WILL have to add a puncture repair kit for the airbag, and may even try to get my hands on a replacement airbag just in case, BUT even if I loose an airbag on the trail, the truck will still be operational as I will have a conventional lift. the airbag is just to remove the squat under a heavy load. (and if I plumb it right help with leveling the truck at camp)

Great video as always Chloe. Just went through this process on the 4Runner. It's really fun and rewarding to feel the difference.

the amount of heavy labor, you need to do, to make these videos is incredible . also thanks for staying close to stock, its important to people like me, budget/warranty and practical

I think the main reason why people buy spacer lifts is because it's $100 vs $2000 lol.

@abelyerikaguerra1540

Жыл бұрын

👍

@ChrisBusy

Жыл бұрын

That's all some of us need..

@Jeremiahking101

Жыл бұрын

Yup, and i could care less for off roading.

@scottusa03

6 ай бұрын

💯

@scottusa03

6 ай бұрын

Fortunately, you can still hit the trails with pucks(spacers).

I ordered a 23 Tacoma off-road. I’ve been getting my mods lined up, and this channel has been a great resource! Thank you! Subscribed.

Watching your videos puts a smile on my face. I've always wanted to see a video on this topic.

I purchased my 23' off road. I mainly will use to get onto bumpy areas when going mountain biking and not aggressive off roading. My local shop recommended the westcott leveling kit to gain clearance for the 285s while keeping the facory bilstein shocks. I think this is my best option.

Great video as always Chloe. I've always wanted to see a video on this topic.

Great information!! I have a spacer and need to replace it asap.

Good stuff.. cool chick in a short box taco.. what else do ya need.... keep up the good videos !

Not an expert. Well you sure have taught me a lot when I do my mods🙌🏾 keep up the good work!!

I decided to throw on 5100s with Old Man Emu springs and an Icon Leaf spring to replace the bottom stock leaf in the rear. So I still 3" in front and 1" in rear lift on my 21 Off-Road Taco. What do you think of that instead of the Wescott Lift Kit?

I went with the Trd lift kit and a lease on my off road.

Youre so awesome!!! 🤩

so i purchased the fox 2.5 factory series coilovers and shock with reservoirs for my 3rd gen taco now i was wandering if you would happen to know how to measure weither the installers maxed the height to 2.0"like measure the coil i know i seen one of your videos measuring something like that

Good job!

I got a 3rd generation Tacoma, I need soft ride. What did you recommend ( I just got a surgery of a broken neck and I don’t want to sale my Tacoma) I will appreciate your help. Thanks and happy new year’s.

Omg just in time!

Hi Chloe! Like this video but wondering if the trd pro comes from factory 1.5 inches higher anyway and then add the Wescott lift sys...does this now make front end higher than rear? My understanding is they send a .5in block/ shim with kit? Or should we add a leaf? Srry for all the questions but plse respond and much appreciated!

Im doing the eibach springs and lift. Don't need expensive Fox or King shocks.

First off, I have no experience working with suspension, so maybe this is a completely ignorant question, but… Doesn’t that Fox aftermarket suspension adjust the ride height in effectively the same way as the spacers? Wouldn’t that have the same drawback as the spacers?

Why would you not raise the front a bit more than the rear. I assume you’re adding your decked system, racks, covers, rtt etc? Then your rear would be lower.

Not a Tech huh ? Your 10 x better then some techs I know 🤫😉 !!

@lucluc2716

Жыл бұрын

She rly is 😍😍 im learning so much here 😅

@proclific

Жыл бұрын

@@lucluc2716 and no short cuts LOL she installs things the right way and Torques those bolts down 😉

@lucluc2716

Жыл бұрын

@@proclific i dont need a torque, i am a torque 😏 got foot poundage precision in my arms 😆

@AyeJae268

Жыл бұрын

@@lucluc2716 🤔what does that even mean

@lucluc2716

Жыл бұрын

@@AyeJae268 if you have to ask the question youre not worthy of an answer 😆

You really should balance the rear with the front. It's all about matching the spring rates. By replacing the leaf pack (not as hard as it sounds) or doing an Add-A-Leaf (cheaper but less easy), you could really improve the overall handling of your truck from tip to tail. Because trucks are supposed to have the rear a bit higher than the front. 😎

@bertbccfu9564

Жыл бұрын

I have built a custom leaf pack setup on my truck by adding leaves from a heavier truck , i have a large pile of used leaf springs i replaced on customers trucks, i also ended up using 1 extra leaf on drivers side to straighten out the taco lean, that along with a small spacer in driver front has straightened truck right out, truck is very comfortable to drive and does great off road, oh yah i also eliminated the sway bar ,suspension articulates much better without it , truck still handles great at speed you get used to the sway bar not being there and you know what the truck will do as far as like taking exits at speed

@chrislull670

Жыл бұрын

Add a leafs are garbage they make your ride too stiff unless you're loaded down. Ask me how I know

@mikhael5205

Жыл бұрын

I use airbags they aren’t the best for articulating but the ride is so smooth I can also change the ride height on the fly

Can u compare trd fox shocks vs fox 2.5 upgrade?

Why didn't you go with the Bilstein 6112? Since Bilstein was the original shock on the truck.

So, on my 3rd gen SR, I did a 2” lift using the trd kit you did a review on. So far I’m liking how it came out. Any thoughts on upgrading the upper control arms?

@thumperbangin2000

Жыл бұрын

Worth it. I went with JBA.

How do you feel about a spindle lift?

With this lift will it still change the angle of you're arms and shaft like a spacer would?

how did you fit 33's with just leveling the truck

Did you do any re-gearing with your Toyota?

What have been your favorite rims and tires and why ?

can i get a link to the front leveling kit ?

Safe to say your not just the average 3rd Gen Tacoma owner. You go just a tad more with "TLC" than most...lol 😀

Great Video, does front lift effect fuel mileage much?

@felixortiz8158

Жыл бұрын

fortunately lift usually does not affect MPG. MPG starts to get affected when you start running bigger wheels and tires, you could run a 4in lift and keep stock wheel/ tire set up and not see an impact on mph. However most people start to run bigger tires when they install a lift so they correlate that with worse mpg

Thanks Chloe. I have a 2021 TRD Pro, and have been trying to decide what direction to go. I always thought the Wescott Designs setup was a "spacer lift" but you clearly clarified that in this video. I didn't want to ditch my OEM Fox suspension, and this seems like the best way to go! Were you able to fit 285s with no issues? Did you have to go with a CMC, or swap out UCAs?

@ponolovefarms3926

Жыл бұрын

I had a 2020 TRD pro, definitely go with an add a leaf or new leaf pack in the rear. Improves the ride incredibly

@jasond.4276

Жыл бұрын

@@ponolovefarms3926 What add a leaf or leaf pack did you go with?

@ponolovefarms3926

Жыл бұрын

@@jasond.4276 it was an add a leaf, not sure of the name but it was under 100$ installed. I had a snug top with full prinsu racks and would really have some weight on my trips between the top 350lbs, water storage 30-50lbs, a full 7’ Thule box and 170lbs of hugs and kisses hanging out the window. I sold it for a 22’ access cab and building out the same except doing the heavy duty leaf pack and probably those foxy looking adjustable coil over shocks she’s showing in the video. You’re my favorite 🌮 youtuber, Chloe! 🐶🐶

I just got the TRD lift kit for my 2021 SR5 access cab. I think it’s perfect for what I do off road. I love the ride.

@tr4753

Жыл бұрын

How much was the labor?

@retiredafce3373

Жыл бұрын

@@tr4753 $790

What did she do with her white tacoma. You don't see it anymore on her videos.

I am trying to find the best way to lift my 21 tacoma, the new trd lift won't work with my trd sport as it is a double cab with the longer box,. Struggling hard to figure out what the best way to lift the truck. I don't do much off roading it's more for a Stance look and a little bit bigger tires. Any suggestions

@davecarroll171

Жыл бұрын

Check out west coast taco you tube page just lifted a long bed with factory lift. Very helpful

I like those gray rims, what model and company did you get them?

@troypoe

Жыл бұрын

They are Method Race Wheels. She has a video talking about them.

You've definitely done your research Chloe 😀. Thanks for sharing 👍. ♥️🌮🐕‍🦺🐶

How much lift was it?

Little bit of misinformation when you were talking about spacer lifts. It doesn’t compress the spring when it pushes the shock down, only the other ones do that, which is why top hat spacers don’t change the ride quality

@Lando4534

Жыл бұрын

She also said she's NOT a mechanic and NOT an expert.

@thomblank2915

Жыл бұрын

@@Lando4534 I’m aware, doesn’t mean we can’t point stuff out.

I would never put a SPACER on again. First time you hit a speed bump you will know what I'm talking about. The strut (not shock) will go full extend and top out. I went with the Toyota Trd lift kit (Bilstein 5100). Anything above a 2/1 lift you start to put the truck drive train, steering into angles that the vehicle is not designed for. You ask around you will find out people have issues with universal joints, centra bearing, axle shafts, tie rod ends, alignment. I agree a higher lift looks good but if you're willing to replace parts it's your choice. Just an old fart's opinion from fixing those issues on lifted trucks.

👍👊

Tacoma's a notorious for vibration after lifting

@theNVMEproject

Жыл бұрын

My Tacoma vibrates still just did my lift maybe a week ago did the CB spacer drop diff drop idk what it is it’s not a bad vibration at all but bothers me

Could you make a video explaining upper and lower control arms and what their purpose is?

@jtworksoncars6341

Жыл бұрын

It connects from the frame/chasis to the spindle. The spindle contains the wheel hub which the wheel is attached to. Basically your control arms move up and down as you hit bumps on the road and the shock absorbs a lot of the force. The control arms move by having their bushings flex up and down.

@JasonExplainsThings

Жыл бұрын

Here's a great video about all the suspension components from Tinkerer's Adventure: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kWpsqsVxd9eym9I.html

great educational video, like always. have you ever permed your hair? I bet you would look stunning.

@LearnHowToWipeYaArse

Жыл бұрын

What a weirdo thing to say.

How much of a front lift does a tacoma need to even out? Also do rear shocks give any lift?

@bertbccfu9564

Жыл бұрын

Average truck is about 2" to level , most people including myself on my 98 tacoma ,96 4runner and 06 4runner go with a 3"/2" setup , 3" front 2" rear

@bertbccfu9564

Жыл бұрын

And rear shocks will not give any lift unless they are air shocks which you don't want to use those

What are those grey wheels?

@troypoe

Жыл бұрын

Method Race. She has a video talking about them.

Girls doing mechanic work..oh yeah, I like.

Does it require wheels balancing adjustment after these kind of lift you did? Thanks

@lc7192

Жыл бұрын

Yes, any lift requires a front end alignment. Also consider that your safety sense features, eg, radar cruise control, may not work as well.

@g7003041

Жыл бұрын

@@lc7192 Thank you for the input

Make a clip about gas door lock and not a gas cap lock , you miss this , right?

You’re a SuperTaco girl 😮

Just bulletproof 12 your taco. Then no need worry

Keep it stock.

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@schloughed

Жыл бұрын

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People who Love their Trucks, appreciate your Channel.... But you kind of Tempt people to Spend some $.... Because, "What Truck Owner does not need these Mods? ". I don't have a Coma, though I watch your Videos from Time to Time... Kind of, prefer Nissan to Toyota... I know.. "Boo..." Not sure why? Just one of those things? I think it is the Design?

A little critique: When you start off your video with a disclaimer that "you are no expert". Why for the title of the video (The best and worst ways to lift your Tacoma)? I understand KZreadrs want to grab viewers but for me anytime they make these very bold claims in their title it screams "it will be a bunch of B.S.". Unfortunately, it is all too common. Perhaps something more like "Let me share what I have experienced" would be more fitting.

You are so beautiful

Quit taking work from men. I thought I was clicking on llod.

Are you going to install the Westcott rear lift on the Pro? 🫣