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@davidstomberg8737

7 ай бұрын

How is the comment 5h ago when it was released a minute ago?

@singlespeedpunk7744

7 ай бұрын

KZread checking it for naughty words before releasing it on fragile people 😂

@HugeGeronimo

7 ай бұрын

The streaming is bad, content wise you could watch everything in a week. WHPlus had a free weekend ages ago, and I am glad I have not subscribed. As for the free miniatures, Ebay. Prefer watching content creators like yourself.

@henrywilliams6368

7 ай бұрын

What's going on with the painting competition?

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Spokrtober?@@henrywilliams6368 winners were announced on Instagram and Patreon :)

The lack of credit to the staff is insane and I dont get how that is even allowed. And I completely agree with the shaking, holy moly.

@Einherjar212

7 ай бұрын

Apparently GW stopped crediting people because Codex writers were getting death threats. I heard that somewhere anyway. Whether that's a good reason though...

@TheDimonTube

7 ай бұрын

@@Einherjar212 I think I heard about that as well, dont think thats a good enough reason. That stuff should get reported for sure but to remove credits from everyone across the board and the "Think of the company" attitude is so strange to me.

@SmurphofChaos

7 ай бұрын

​@@Einherjar212 Who sends death threats over a board game?

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

​@@SmurphofChaosI've had death threats, and I paint toys. Welcome to the internet!

@SmurphofChaos

7 ай бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis when?

Warhammer TV strikes me as something people would have embraced with open arms if it was just a KZread channel. It’s very much rooster teeth animation vibes

In my opinion, the most egregious problem is the lack of credits for those that worked on these shows. I can't think of any other company that actively choses not to credit people. Those artists may find it difficult getting work elsewhere if they can't use writing/voice acting/producing etc credits on the work that they have done

@jordanwilde9226

7 ай бұрын

Disney has had this issue numerous times over the years. Being compared to the Mouse is NOT a favorable position to be in when speaking on treatment of artists.

@Sorrowdusk

7 ай бұрын

Magic The Gathering also stopped crediting artists of various cards. Previously they listed every singe one of them.

@SpudMil

7 ай бұрын

That’s unfortunately the point. Though they’ve been doing this for some time, they don’t want another “solo success” through people like Duncan Rhodes. GW sees themselves as competing with them, so they try to prevent it from happening.

I assume GW just told a small team of animators with a $7.50 budget “Just make it work”

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

As I said a few times, I think the animators and artists are awesome, I just reckon they were rushed to hit deadlines

@SlocumJoe7740

7 ай бұрын

I don't think they gave them a budget they just gave them a Salary and told them to keep making their fan projects with the same tools and animators that they had before giving cease and desist orders.

@Dogdrule

7 ай бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis I can't confirm what the timeline was exactly, but after recently hearing from someone close to the project what the story was initially for The Exodite vs. what we got, I feel pretty confident they had the project almost completely gutted just a few weeks before its scheduled release, and GW sent them back to nearly square one to make an entirely new show with a new story and cram that into an 8-month turnaround. The initial teaser that the studio who made it released showed Striking Scorpions fighting Space Marines, and the Tau speaking in their native language, and we got none of that in the final series, though it aligns with the original story outline I heard.

@Kharos

7 ай бұрын

Dogdrule hit the mark, it was very much a case of both our passionate work being taken away from us for a less than mediocre story written by a wanna-be filmmaker, and the promise of it being paid work ending up less than minimum industry rates

@ChairmanMjau

7 ай бұрын

Sweatshop animators

spent years working with gw and the teams of people they underpaid abused and took advantage of. exodite was ripped from the hands of the original creators due to legal strong-arming. the first episode had already been near completion when they forced a full re-write of the plot, and the series was originally supposed to be entirely in the tau language, the eldar were supposed to be in the eldarish and even gothic was going to be in latin(ish) for imperials. then gw told the creators that if they didn't agree to their demands theyd regret it. These are the same guys that did Angels of Death before they basically got ran out of the production at the end of the last episode because boylan wanted to make the show his way and his way only, denying any feedback or artistic freedom from his peers. They basically promised that team the sun and the moon to get them to work for nothing, and said they'd work out crediting them--- do any of them have credits? nope. the work of all artists who ever worked on a GW project gets reused in many productionns from GW, all their assets, yet the artists remain with no recognition. Why? because nothing is bigger then the brand. If the gw team led by andy smilie think your getting too big for your boots they'll run you out. there was a plot to the exodite, it just got kicked out the window for mindless monologuing courtesy of the rotation of writers who pass each script around with no idea what anything means. Their quality control is hilarious with random staff members who know barely anything about the lore piling notes on a spreadsheet for artists who are bleeding their passion because they are forced to make subpar 40k products. these "lore experts" regularly quit too which results in nothing making sense, and it can be years into a project until the new person comes on and they make you redo all the work over and over and over (it took one character fifteen months to be completed, a character that should have taken 6 weeks) angels of death bad sound? for sure, boylan thought he could do better with a free library and ignored the sound team, plus isnt everything covered by camera shake! hartmans another gem and screwed everyone over to get to where he is. feel bad for the iron within folks. they were given more of a leash then everyone but it was originally a 30k story. please dont give any credit to gw for astartes and pour out one for peterson whos in developement hell. they robbed these artists, took their ideas, never gave them credit, underpaid them, treated them like shit and kept the ones who wouldn't put up a fight. they're a company that acts like they're disney except they're way less competent and everyone stays poor and abused without any direction to march into its not that they are terrible writers, pay nothing, threaten people or screw artists over, its also the fact theyre criminally incompetent which makes everyone hate their life choices.

@foxbat51

7 ай бұрын

Wow, a corporation behaving like a corporation, bleeding everything dry for profit extraction to hand to shareholders. Growth can only be gained through exploitation of workers, wage theft and gouging of customers.

Thanks for the mention, smashing video! I can't take credit for the creation of the graphics on battle report, I wrote the brief, edited them in, but the job went to a very talented graphic designer I can't remember the name of - Pat

@warhatter

7 ай бұрын

Oh my bad! You did a hell of a lot of amazing work though and you made those videos look 😚👌 just like you do now

@spazmaster1996

7 ай бұрын

Wouldn't have to remember the graphic designer's name if they had credit...

I physically winced at GW telling staff "you shouldn't be so egotistical, it's about the company, not the individuals." I've done jobs for companies where my moral rights were waived, and trying to explain to bosses why just having my name in the credits, nothing fancy, just small print on the inside cover or a little card at the end of something, is important was such a humiliating experience. In one case, I managed to get credit by literally threatening to resign! It's so obvious how much value Hatty brought to that show, and so how skilled individuals do make a difference and aren't interchangeable cogs in a corporate machine! Grr! 😡

@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen

7 ай бұрын

Also, it's a part of your CV; "Hey, I did this and this on that and that show!" Not being able to point back on your previous work is absolutely bonkers.

@user-uu9cq8kq4s

7 ай бұрын

and in the industry its your lifeblood @@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen

@RobG95

7 ай бұрын

I've never considered that, but that is so true. How on earth are you going to continue getting work if you can't prove that you've previously worked on projects?@@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen

I think it was said way back that the Tau weird lip synch was because the creators originally made it for their interpretation of Tau language but when it went to Warhammer plus GW stepped in and enforced English because they assumed the unfamiliar language and subs would loose them audience.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Oh dear! That unfortunately doesn't surprise me.

@scarecrow2097

7 ай бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis yeah, I don't remember if it is confirmed but won't surprise me either.

@Lamefoureyes

7 ай бұрын

@@scarecrow2097 one of the original trailers for the exodite had the T'au speaking T'au

@eatingpancakesrightnow2786

7 ай бұрын

Thats a change I kind of agree with

@marcosayase

7 ай бұрын

Thats so sad, but yeah I guess americans audiences are not used to subs so sad

I will say that Astartes was what got me into the hobby full on, and now I’ve spent probably thousands at this point on GW plastic. So it’s sad they haven’t really let that creator spread his wings it seems, other than maybe Pariah Nexus

@RyanEdwardsVA

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, after that creator, Syama Pederson, announced they'd be working for GW, the community jumped on him, harassing and bullying him so hard he (at the time) quit making Warhammer stuff altogether. I don't blame him, it's a shitty thing that people did to him. I'm not sure where he's at with that these days, as he's been posting old WIPs and unfinished 40k projects to his Instagram, but it doesn't appear he's done anything related to Warhammer since, instead focusing on his original projects.

@Hopesfallout

7 ай бұрын

@@RyanEdwardsVA It's a shame that each of the worst GW moments is somehow mirrored by some equally egregious behavior within the community.

@fardareismai4495

6 ай бұрын

​@@grimm_40kI mean, given the content of 40k, you're bound to get some actually horrid people... A minority, just like most fandoms, I have experienced mostly positive interactions with creative people in this space, but there are some real douchebags who take the violence and abusive tone of much of the lore at face value without any critical analysis or healthy dose of humour... In every fandom I've ever been in there will be these assholes though, so it's unfortunately not exclusive.

Hearing that Hatty went through a shitty work colleague at Warhammer is heart breaking - it sounds like there's a lot of baggage there that of course you guys didn't get into, but given how much energy she's brought to MWM, she seems like a wonderful person and I hate to hear she had to go through shit with GW :\

@zamnodorszk7898

6 ай бұрын

A lot of wonderful people get chewed out by Warhammer. They have a notoriously toxic work environment.

I love how Astartes was made by a guy who was just a massive fan - still better than almost all of the stuff that GW has put out on Warhammer+. There are other fan-made animations on KZread that are almost on a par with Astartes, IF you know where to look. I'd add links, but i wouldn't want James Workshop taking these down :(

@Black_Rabbit_84

7 ай бұрын

While I agree that Astartes is definitely better than anything created specifically for Warhammer+, it's 13 minutes of animation that took over 2 years to make. The animator was also more than likely earning far more on Patreon than the budget of any Warhammer+ show. There was also little to no voice acting, the music was from Dredd, and the story was fairly bare bones. None of which diminishes the accomplishment that Astartes was, as its probably the best exampld of really capturing the 40k vibe, but making a fan film on your own time with no budget, deadline, or copyright concerns is quite different to the pressures of producing for a studio.

@Winterydee

7 ай бұрын

Correction, I believe that the proper name is "James Jerkshop".

@dongsolong9032

7 ай бұрын

​@@Black_Rabbit_84you sound butt hurt

@WHEATLEY007

6 ай бұрын

Good shouts about thier UI. It's awful and shows they don't have someone employed with great experience in this field. But then I hear of so many occasions at GWcwhere someone is thrown the task and had to learn as they did it

@StaticSilence1

6 ай бұрын

Though it's a great short film, I can't stand how the Marines were insanely OP. One gets ambushed hit by an Anti-tank sniper rifle. Another gets hit by a Lascannon Heavy Weapon placement. Neither die. I don't know why, but I find those moments really annoying.

I’m with Hatty, Pixar’s the Chaos Gods needs to happen!

Ah yes.. warhammer+ in all its 7fps glory.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Hammer & Bolter certainly has its moments...

@Infamouse33333

7 ай бұрын

​@@MidwinterMinisThe Eldar one specifically comes to mind for me. Loved that one

@frostmagemarii

7 ай бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis Y'know.. it's sad. I to like all this stuff. I just wish they could get behind the tried and true model of "make a good product, and get more customers" instead of trying to wring every last red cent out of individual customers. Between this, their regular price increases for every model and poor order management (they're much better on the B2B end of things than they used to be, but they still drop the ball hard on a lot of stuff as trying to deal with them as a stockist)... i feel they're not going to have the great time they had in the last few years.

I’m probably coming to this too late. But I was contracted in 2018 to make shows, brought on the majority of animators in what was eventually warhammer+. To say working for them in this time, through COVID, was a blessing and a curse is an understatement and best described as being in an abusive relationship. Without getting into it too much, the lack of accreditation remains the ultimate insult to the men and women, many who were at the start of their careers and who loved the universes we built in. I see evidence of their work reused constantly to the benefit of an extremely wealthy corporation run by extremely well paid, and recognized, upper management as they show up in articles and announce involvement with Amazon. But I guess that’s hollywood. My only recommendation is to build your own stuff and treat your people the way you wish you had been treated.

@tappajavittu

5 ай бұрын

"But I guess that’s hollywood" Except in hollywood you credit the people who worked on your films or shows, so it's worse than hollywood.

The credit thing was a fight back in the 'good old days'. There was an interview with a YT channel recently (edit: Rick Priestley interview with Filmdeg Minis) that said the GW artists and sculptors kicked off massively because the writers were getting credits but they weren't. Everyone in the room knew it wasn't the text that was selling their books and minis. That's why GW used to have the artist names along with their art identifying marks/signitures in the credits section. Now the company have gone to the other extreme. No writer credits for rulebooks, no artist credits for art or design work. And now seemingly no recognition even for their painting staff in videos since Duncs, Peachy, Louise, etc pivoted to their own channels.

Interrogator is a solid A imo. And Yes! GW CREDIT THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR YOU! it is absolutely unacceptable to not name the people who are working on these shows. Egregious behavior.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Excellent video you two. Hatty, the anxiety that Games-workshop causes you is apparent in your voice. It took an awful lot of courage to make this video. It couldn't have been easy to watch something that challenges your mental health. I know a few people in your exact position. Keep moving forward as positively as you can. I wish I could support your channel more but for now my loyalty will have to suffice. Keep up the incredibly awesome content and I will continue to follow. Thanks to the both of you.

@warhatter

7 ай бұрын

❤

@Subjekt3

7 ай бұрын

During watching this I noticed that Guy did a lot of the initial talking and explaining what a show was about, always giving his opinion and score first and so on. I thought then that it would have been nicer if the narration would have been more evenly split between the two, but I see how that could have been harsh on someone in Hattie´s position. Great watch nonetheless!

@esaedvik

7 ай бұрын

@@warhatter and it's clearly shared by a ton of people who did as you did, leave. It's so sad to hear, as every one of you I've seen on YT/Twitch so far, have been absolutely delightful, a massive loss for GW and the community. Thankfully you lot still do create things. Some probably just moved off completely.

"Needs more shaky cam" is going to be the next "needs more cowbell"

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Please, please nooooo

"Ass tarts, if you will" remains my favourite quote from this vid

RE: Painting masterclass hosts; GW doesn't really support the hobby community at large. At best they treat the community like free marketing via "influencers" but they do very little to celebrate or even acknowledge the skill in their community (doing a few white dwarf showcases is the bare minimum). For this reason I don't think any of the big names would want to be involved directly with GW to teach a class. Any skilled hobbyist has more interaction directly with the community through their own personal accounts rather than work with GW to be badly paid, potentially have their name hidden (a la animation credits), or be placed under extremely restrictive contracts which would basically decimate their ability to be remotely critical of GW. Hey skilled painter! Wanna come teach some classes on how to paint good looking maggots? We can offer you less money than you're worth, no ability to speak openly, and then act like we own you forever.

@warhatter

7 ай бұрын

You’re not wrong at all

The "not crediting people" thing seems to go back a long way. On the recent film deg interview with Rick Priestly he mentions wanting to stop crediting people way back to the late 80s/early 90s and only relented because John Blanche kicked off about it, so it does seem to be something which dates back to when GW were a much smaller operation, for whatever reason. I've not had a W+ sub so far, and that really surprises me. Theres so much stuff they could put on there or content they could create but the release schedule is so inconsistent I'd never commit to a subscription based model to pay for it. It says something that all my favourite warhammer youtube creators all have much more consistent schedules than an actual company with (presumably) staff and resourced

The original Astartes is sick, pure and simple. Even when removing the badassery of wh40k, from the animations, to the sound effects and even the little technical minutiae like the bolter trigger takeup in some of the shots... sick

I was on the fence about Warhammer+ when it came out, was on the fence for the last 2 years, and, honestly, you guys have convinced me not to bother.

Props to you guys for bringing up GW not crediting people, it’s absolutely unacceptable in my opinion and I really wish more people talked about it.

Have a mate who has done voice work for GW. Pre Warhammer+ he did audiobooks and was credited on them. With WH+ work he wasn't credited at all and when he put a post of his social media promoting WH+ and his voice work for it, GW contacted him and asked him to take it down.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

That's bizarre!

@dr.stronk9857

5 ай бұрын

That’s messed up

@badlypronouncednamehouston46

5 ай бұрын

@@MidwinterMinisoption 1 or option 2? Just need your well judged blind decision for something

the way hatty looks over and smirks when she says ass tarts LOL

Interesting note about the credits. If they want to sell this content to other networks in the event of the whole project failing or bring professionals onboard they are going to need to add them in otherwise incur the wraith of the SAG or other similar actors union.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Indeed! It feels like they're backing themself into a very strange, lonely corner

@OldenDemon

7 ай бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis Miss You XXX

That incogni ad = the single best ad I've ever seen

An entire white dwarf vault, free mini, and access to shows is something I'd absolutely be interested in.. if they were less scummy with their fan's projects and employees

Just watched this with my gf. Her takeaway: "Why are all shows the same? It's just a bunch of Warhammer guys shooting each other." I laughed out loud, but she kinda has a point...

As an Age of Sigmar fan, I personally LOVED Blacktalon. But I at least understand that it might not have done the best job of explaining things for people who don't know the universe. As a fan it's genuinely good, but I get why you might not have vibed too much with it as a newcomer. But I'd at least like to take a bit to advocate for the first episode and give a bit of context that I hope helps. I liked how the story was told after the protagonists "died". Most of the main cast are Stormcast Eternals, beings that are like Space Marines in that they were once mortals given power to become "superhuman". And thats where the comparison ends. Because unlike Space Marines, when they die, Stormcast get "Reforged", basically respawned. But each time they come back, they lose another part of their humanity including memories of their mortal lives. So seeing the story told before and after the reforging process I thought was interesting. It did a good job of establishing the characters and the idea of Neave asking her fellow Stormcasts what they saw or remembered from the battle as we piece everything together is an important part of the show's own overarching theme of memories. Neave relentlessly spends most of the series trying to remember her own past memoris as a mortal, so the first episode acts as a microcosm of her overarching story in this show. TLDR: Blacktalon does expect you to know a bit about AoS going in, and thats a valid criticism. But I think that the first episode and the show as a whole are alot better than you gave them credit for.

Lovely to hear Baldermort getting a shout out. I listened to his channel a lot through Covid, and he was such an inspiration for me having an interest in the wider 40K lore. His mix of quoting official text, adding his own thoughts, and his own creative writing is fantastic.

@poilaaliop

6 ай бұрын

I wish GW would reach out to him, his fanfiction is incredible. Actually, no, I hope they don't. It would be so sad if he wasn't credited for his work!

Whoever said ''stop beeing selfish it's about the company not the person'' has to be fired. And not crediting people should be illegal.

@dr.stronk9857

5 ай бұрын

Agreed, the shows wouldn’t exist without the teams who made it

I assume the lack of credit is a deliberate commercial decision to prevent staff being poached and given the rise of KZread channels (and especially those linked to former GW staff) as a viable alternative work stream for creatives this is unlikely to change IMO.

thanks, it was interesting. Big hug to Hatty for the emotional moment, it must have been hard to convey all your feelings about your previous job. Thanks to be here, and getting us better midwinter content

Absolutely fantastic video, something unexpected was the mention of Aidan, I grew up with Aidan and remember his consistent dedication to Warhammer and honing his painting skill, its so awesome to see how far he's come and that he's still the awesome guy I grew up and played with as a kid, if you just so happen to read this Aidan, pop me a message my dude, its been too long!

Pariah Nexus had the best Salamanders representation I’ve seen in a while. I love Brother Sa’kan

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Yes! Total hero

In my opinion Helsreach is one of the greatest fan animitated films about Warhammer. Its INCREDIBLE and I definitely recommend you to give it a watch.

@razmeanie4519

4 ай бұрын

I've watched it 3 times. I enjoy it better then any movie put out in like 2 decades. Not to mention Keeble does such a good job on that audio. "Nine....days!" is a line I randomly quote in life.

Maybe the drop in quality of Warhammer+ is indicative of the talented staff who left GW due to stress etc. It would be great to get Hattie, Sugs, Peachy, Duncan, Matt & others on a KZread episode together.

@Sonintendy

7 ай бұрын

He kept mentioning the generic music. And I’m like “yeah why would they do their best work on composing good music if they aren’t being credited with it?”

I’ve been thinking about it, this video is kinda a bombshell. We get so few glimpses behind the scenes at GW and this doesn’t paint a flattering picture. Also, on the topic of battle report drama, can’t help but notice one host didn’t get a shoutout.

I'm so disinterested in Warhamster+ that I'm not even going to watch this, and I LIKE you guys. You still got a like.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

We like you too, bud

@DaneSaysStuff

7 ай бұрын

It sounds abrasive however it's the truth. WH+ is nothing short of an overhyped money grab, luckily selling the exclusive minis made me my money back.

@badlypronouncednamehouston46

5 ай бұрын

⁠ @MIdwinterminis option 1 or option 2? Just need your well judged blind decision for something

An excellent episode once again! I'm really happy to see that you've been putting out videos consistently that I finish thinking "That was like a top 5 best video from MM." Great job!

Totally agree on the volume issue. Happens SO much in Battle Report. Audio levels go all over the place between the table and talking heads segments

The Incogni ad-read is spot on. It really reminds me of the cut-scenes from "Final Liberation". 😎👍 I find it kind of shocking that Warhammer+ doesn't credit its performers. The turquoise edge-light on Guy's hair is great in this video.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Stupidly proud of that, thank you!

@cpt.flinch3930

7 ай бұрын

Trying to sell stuff abusing the passion we all share for the hobby. Thats all it is in the end. I wish you would refrain from that. But that is a problem i have with adds and is absolutely no critique on the wonderful work you have done with the channel over the years.

Sorry to hear about your experiences Hattie, that sounds absolutely horrible and it's good that you are in a better working environment now.

Astartes has been moved from KZread to Warhammer TV, but unlike the majority of the animations there you don't need a WH+ account to watch it, so it's still available to all - it's just not somewhere anyone would find it... Of the others I think Angels of Death is my favourite. A lot of the others just feel like they're not actually telling much of a story, several Hammer & Bolter episodes feel more like animated bits of Codex fluff than actually full stories. Edit: I did however cancel my subscription before all of Pariah Nexus (and Blacktalon) were released so I don't have an opinion on them. The exclusive models this year weren't good enough to justify the cost and the rest of the content isn't valuable enough to me to feel worth the money without the models helping out.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Good point!

Really enjoyed this as a more informal, less presenter-ey video from you guys, similar energy to your streams and I love it. Also really helpful about what content Warhammer+ holds these days, and I had a similar experience recently as someone who could justify getting it, and blasted through all the content in quite a short timeframe.

It's so so sad that GW considers these shows as a product to make profit with. If they considered these as "commercials" and put them out there it'd draw in tons of people. Especially Loremaster and Battlereports... or Masterclass.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don't know anything about the financials, but I have a feeling that just having all these shows on KZread and treating them as free ads for Warhammer it would reap bigger dividends than paywalling them!

@aerouge4492

7 ай бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis absolutely ... especially since the value isnt there. They have a huge ammount of ressources and talents available and still fall flat compared to patreon-financed private creators :-/ if they created THE BEST shows in the hobby, I'd understand the pricetag... but in the current market? I prefer to patreon MWM or Squidmar ...

@badlypronouncednamehouston46

5 ай бұрын

⁠option 1 or option 2? Just need your well judged blind decision for something

The thing I don't get about Angels Of Death is that Blood Angels are supposed to be vibrant and beautiful and it's mono coloured and washed out, it would better suit Dark Angles or Black Templars.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

A fair shout!

@ohwell3432

7 ай бұрын

From what I've been told it was done by the team/person who did the hellsreach fan animation. The black and white was leaning into what they knew mostly, but thats why it is that, as you say, odd choice for blood angels, but was perfect for Templars.

Exodite used to have a more cohesive and interesting story while it was a fan film, but of course GW came in and had to "make changes".

How can they legally make paid content without credits? Is this a UK thing, because in North America the actors/writers guilds would never allow that to happen

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

I had a thought that maybe the lack of credits is because none of the talent belong to a screen/actor unions, but I didn't want to make an assumption.

The Incogni commercial was excellent! Very well done!

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

@badlypronouncednamehouston46

5 ай бұрын

@@MidwinterMinisheads or tails? Just need your blind decision for something

Very helpful information!! Thank you for taking the time!!

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is no Steadicam. On a serious note, the lack of proper credit is *super* weird.

Awesome video. The colour correction is appreciated. Really sad the quality drops or and release schedule of the shows. Keep up the good work.

I really like the production quality and the setting of this episode. It almost felt like I tuned in to wargaming news - only missing both of you reading from autocues and at one point a Hank or Frank from sport with some results from Bloodbowl.

I loved the incogni ad bit reminded me of 90s space marines lol

The little giggle at "riding the volume knob" gave me a real chuckle.

" Stop being so egotistical, it's about the success of the company not any individual" - Sounds rather fascist to me, I think GW have taken their fictional fantasy a little too seriously.

Oh boy, the best Warhammer content here was the incogni ad❤

Warhammer plus needs to credit everyone! They need to do it now! It's crazy they don't!

The biggest issue I have with the service is the continued difficulty getting on a TV. No native TV app except on a fire stick, no ability to cast unless you have an Android TV ( don't have an iPhone, so don't know about Airplay) and it now won't allow me to login on the TV's web browser.

Something that annoys me about WH+ is the content doesn't seem to be on local servers. Here in Australia the quality of video streams is 240p 360p at best with constant buffer wheels so the videos are unwatchable most of the time. Strangely it seems to be the new releases that stream ok so maybe the age of content and popularity dictates how many servers are being used to distribute content. The same goes for the vault, there is no support for local download within an app so streaming the pages in is extremely slow and sometimes crashes. I got the service as the white dwarf mags were only 3 months behind the magazine releases but now I think they realised that it may have been hurting white dwarf sales and have not released anything in the vault service in months. It is disappointing to see the massive slow down in releases, the service is not compelling at all anymore.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

I hadn't even considered that! That must be nigh-on unwatchable

After watching the sponsor segment, I have a strange urge to watch Gamesmaster!

don't think we didn't see you smirking whenever Guy said "riding the volume knob" Hatty

You guys are awesome, thanks for sharing

I really enjoyed midwinter minis previously but there has been a noticeable jump in quality with Hattie’s work. Great work

I don't think any animation of GW can win "Astartes"....astartes is too outstanding.

Great review from both of you. Well done

Thank you both for calling out the lack of crediting! It's bugged me from the beginning of the platform being released. When brilliant, talented people like Hatty are clearly working so hard to produce quality content (and are evidently being overworked into the deal), the barest minimum you can do if acknowledging that person's creative input. I don't know any equivalently sized organisation in the arts that does this and it's frankly shameful when you consider the number of freelance actors and designers that will have worked on these projects and rely on crediting to help in securing future work on different projects.

I don't think I've ever commented on a KZread video before, but today's the day: That Incogni ad was absolutely 10/10!

I’m sure someone must’ve said this already, but I can’t see it in the comments, so just in case, the new presenter is Ed Sanderson, and he’s the ex training manager at Siege Studios. He’s a really lovely, genuine guy and he seems to absolutely love teaching (and also used to teach the siege course on occasion) For me, the minis and the vault have been worth it. Although I agree the year 3 minis are a little dull in comparison to the others. Thanks for an interesting review!

It's probably youtube, but ironically there was a sound sync issue at the end of this video 😂

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Typical! Haha

I'm giving this a like on the creativity of the incogni ad alone. Genius!

So the best thing on Warhammer TV+ (Astartes) wasn't even done by GW.

Heavy Games Master vibes with the incogni ad, just needed the "Dear Games Master..."

Hilarious VPN advert! I appreciate the effort. 🤣 Also thank you for calling out the "gibberish quotes" :) I completely agree.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Love the video, hope GW don't try and claim it.

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Fingers crossed!

@warhatter

7 ай бұрын

😂

And while it's been said before, yeah, not crediting your staff and saying it's "egotistical" to want it, to put the company first... That's straight up dystopian...

35:48 Voxcast was a great series, would be great to have Wade back doing it, so interesting and a great insight into the inner workings of GW. Thanks for the video!

"Are they real bricks?" had to relisten to that question a few times, i was sure you just called them real pricks 😂😂😂

Hattie looks and sounds sooo nervous, thank you for doing this, even though it may have been difficult

The new presenter used to (maybe still is) work for Siege Studios. I was on one of their advanced courses and he was teaching there. Don't remember the name, but I may try to dig it up.

@luksol78

7 ай бұрын

Matt , his name is Matt. I couldn't remember so I have asked friend I've been there with. Don't know the surname though. There you go :)

I’ve been subbed to Warhammer+ for 3 years (Birthday present from a friend who uses my account XD) and I will 100% say that new content is RARE! I was shocked, in fact, by how rare anything to do with Warhammer+ is given. No timelines, no gifts, no content… Just dead silence. Very disappointing. I did really enjoy Hammer and Bolter, Loremasters, Masterclass and ofc Pariah Nexus, but… It’s just not worth it. Plus, this year’s mini choices are a bit crap. I don’t normally partake on the hate train that people have for GW, but Warhammer+ is just sad. Great video, didn’t agree with a few of the things you said, but those are your opinions and I think you were quite were honest about everything. I would say “More content like this” but not even GW are pushing more content on WH+!

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I wouldn't mind the mixed bag if there was just a bit... More?

@0israphel0

7 ай бұрын

it has not been 3 years ;-;

@dr.stronk9857

5 ай бұрын

They don’t seem to understand that in order for people to buy warhammer+ you need to make a product worth buying, and to do that you need to let your artists have time and creative freedom

Great review of the whole w+ catalogue

Great review. Especially good to hear different perspectives from.the presenters. Great stuff.

"...the youtube ads you probably blocked." HAHAHA

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

GOTCHA

I believe the new masterclass presenter is Ed sanderson? Haven't watched any - but he used to teach for siege studios as well as paint commission at siege

I love the The Day Today reference

@MidwinterMinis

7 ай бұрын

I love how a parody of news basically became news 30 years later!

@olabolob

7 ай бұрын

@@MidwinterMinis Those are the headlines… God, I wish they weren’t.

That's gotta be the most creative data/vpn ad to date.

I personally hate when companies just make up quotes that they put at the beginning of things because they “sound cool”. Like in COD when you die they put up quotes that made up in game characters say and think that it really makes the mind jog when in reality it’s just dumb and means nothing. Like there are thousands of actually good quotes in real life and in Warhammer books that they could use but nooooo they just make something up to sound “enlightened” and “deep”.

The mid-video sponsor ad was executed fantastically, just be careful of GW taking the reins and dropping the project :P

@MidwinterMinis we are going to have some words in December

Pariah Nexus favorite and most enjoyable. But I also like some of the Hammer and Bolter episodes - Trazyn one was fun, liked the Eldar, where they showed the dicks space marine are in reality (but we will still look at them as heroes, but it was nice reminder :)). And yeah, I hate GW for not credit their creators. Especially when I consider their history. It is just so sad what can happened to a company when the fans and hobbyists that started it, transform into a soulless corporation.

@brycemcewen6146

7 ай бұрын

Yeah but the Eldar get what they deserve

Block buster Movies credit everyone and think of starwars/marvel scale films that have heaps of people working on the .. guess what everyone recieves a credit. The credits run for ages. Even for their streaming shows. How GW refuse to do this for small shows is crazy

You guys did a great job on this video. The editing, attention to details, and the way you presented the content was all first class.

@MidwinterMinis some of the voice actors are readers of Warhammer audio books. Thats where you recognize them from. One is the reader of the Eisenhorn series.

Besides the honest analysis, I want to sing the praises to the ad segment. I usually skip those, but Gork dammit, yours fit in so well, I watched it simply for enjoyment.

My absolute biggest gripe with most of their CGI made animations is they have to add this GODAWFUL shaky cam for every freaking action scene. Watching Angels of Death (main series) was a headache inducer, which is unfortunate as it was for the most part pretty good enough. And it's the same movement of shaky cam too! All, except for a few like Pariah Nexus. But yet, even that one has an annoyance of those unneeded "chapter breaks" that serve no real purpose other than to pan out time.