GYM BRO ORTHOREXIA. Holy shit is this an unacknowledged problem in the bodybuilding/lifting community. I love bodybuilding, and find it to be a generally positive experience of self creation and gender exploration but the obsessive, miserable attitudes around food are a silent epidemic. This is true at casual and competitive levels, and that’s not even getting into the steroids. I think a lot of men have a very hard time talking about this stuff to their friends, I certainly did.

@margodphd

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Unfortunately men generally have it even harder due to expected judgement from other men and possible ridicule from women. Bodybuilding competitions basically force you into heavily disordered eating,with the water fasts and diuretics and carb loads,it's not hard to see how it can put someone who's a perfectionist on incredibly wrong path.

@FrogsLikeFruitSnacks

Жыл бұрын

also gym bro muscle dysmorphia! its a crazy problem with gym bros

@zup9819

Жыл бұрын

@@margodphddamn right. And I should clarify, I’m not even talking about competing here. Just casual people interesting in building muscle naturally. Competing at the levels of shreddedness that is standard in competition is a whole different level of eating issues. But yeah, it’s an epidemic that is definitely made worse by fear of vulnerability

@aniE1869

Жыл бұрын

I love weight lifting, but I never want to put myself through what they do to get show ready. 😬

@gluestickgirlie

Жыл бұрын

i made a comment on an instagram gym bro's account about this and i got SOOOO many comments replying to it.

The blonde hair with the new haircut makes you look so futuristic, I feel like I’m listening to a future historian talking about pop culture trends of the past instead of modern ones 😂 . I love it so much, thank you so much for talking about ortho, the dangers of the “that girl” trend are really understated

@emmapotter-pearson8432

Жыл бұрын

I was just gonna comment the same thing, he looks incredible with blonde hair like this.

@heyits_cat8966

Жыл бұрын

I know right!!?? I've always felt like they're from a different time line, traveling around sharing wisdom 😹

@MooWithMetubes

Жыл бұрын

Loving the new hair! Looks so cool ❤

@Goldenretriever-k8m

11 ай бұрын

The jacket too. He looks really great

@allisonyoung5626

9 ай бұрын

Soooo 3008 😂

I'm on ED recovery and joined the gym a year ago and it was surprising to witness the anorexia to orthorexia pipeline in real life. It's the hardest part of my fitness journey, dealing with some very unaware people. I've gained 20lbs of muscle since I started, but I get told too many times that I should go on a cut, and when I tell them that I'm on recovery and that I'm not a bodybuilder, they get weird and say "well that doesn't mean that you can't go on a little cut, you'd look even better". For me what really helped was training for strength instead of aesthetics. I have a rare disease that I've managed to get mostly under control with diet, strength training, and just a bit of medication, so having not only a functional body, but a strong one for the first time in my life feels magical, and I just want to fuel it properly. Still working on it though.

@mariannatatarska1140

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad u are better and I wish you well. I'm curious what's the disease

@blancaherreroespana5035

Жыл бұрын

@@mariannatatarska1140 thank you so much! I have Behçet's disease, an autoimmune condition

@Liz-kj2jj

Жыл бұрын

I hate that someone actually said the cut thing, as a fellow person in recovery who’s also really into the gym but will keep eating whatever the hell I want (just trying to eat more protein generally) for my own stability, the old ED voices in my head say exactly that. I’m sorry you had to hear it from a real person

@chatnoir9038

Жыл бұрын

Ugh, where do people get off commenting on others bodies??? Like it's really not necessary to comment about someone's body. I'm sorry that's happened to you. I'm glad you're in recovery 💖🔥

@maepicnic2460

Жыл бұрын

I have Eds. If I don’t exercise my knees give out for a combined number of reasons. The only approach to food that works for me is a relaxed one. Because the thing is I had obsessive thoughts at 13-20 for a myriad of reasons including others opinions. Now I do what I call “the right things” little by little in life and it bleeds into my everyday diet so I have faith in my decisions more. A helpful tip is to eat what I desire as much as I want unless I start to feel gluttonous like too much sugar or something processed. But in any other case I just think outside myself as to what would be considered normal to the outside view. Even when others don’t know necessarily what normal is either.

My grandmother has orthorexia. It’s frightening how she treats and judges foods. She’s caused a whole cycle of it in the family

@snailflowers

Жыл бұрын

my grandmother too. i can’t remember a time in my life when she wasn’t on an extreme diet and talking about food and her own weight/the weight of everyone in our family. it’s so toxic but not taken seriously as an ED

@XxxYandere_LyssaxxX

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure my grandma has Orthorexia. She is always dieting, always exercising way past what is healthy (and often encouraging disordered eating within the family). This lead to me developing AN-r, which she was very proud of. I'm trying to recover after nearly a decade, however she is uninterested in recovery

@garnettekken

Жыл бұрын

My grandma too. She’s on an extreme keto diet to the point that I’m genuinely scared for her. She also has added intermittent fasting which scares me more. She’s already cut so much food out

@alisonmercer5946

Жыл бұрын

My God it really is tragic and the promotion of it by mass media is evil. U cannot look in a magazine or tv or go anywhere without seeing the stuff that promotes thiz. And people in your family do it and pass it on. And now with the net and social media it's even more in your face and it's goals to become 😢

@kristinbarton7302

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Both my adult daughter and her daughter (10) have ED. My daughter recognized it in her own child and got the child help with a therapist who specializes in ED in children. I hate that I have passed this along to new generations. I wasn't diagnosed until late in life, and looking back, my own mother definitely had ED as well. She displayed signs of orthorexia. She tried diet after diet after diet. She became convinced that she had candida overgrowth in her body and spent thousands of dollars on weird supplements containing seaweed and obscure mushrooms and the like.

My ex was a “gym bro.” He would so terrified of sugar that he would refuse to eat FRUIT. He would obsess over the amount of protein in foods. He spent all of his free time in the gym that if he messed up his back, he would go into a depression because he couldn’t lift weights. Thank you, Dorian, for talking about this! It’s truly a disorder that also affected my own health when I was with him.

So glad to hear you talk about the influencer taking 30+ supplements every day - her nonchalance about her diet was very scary to watch, as is seeing her continue to double down. I can only hope that people like you who understand her struggle will eventually get through to her the dangers of doing such a thing

@cadaver6665

Жыл бұрын

Is this about the model girl who does keto?

@nuhuhuhhhhhhh

Жыл бұрын

her name is liz, really tall with short dark hair

@emilyhousley2947

Жыл бұрын

but in fairness to her, she’s recovering from AN so she has got deficiencies from the past

@nuhuhuhhhhhhh

Жыл бұрын

@@emilyhousley2947 that is true, plus she is currently eating a pretty decent surplus like she just hasn't quite caught up on her deficiencies

@vtheory7531

Жыл бұрын

@@emilyhousley2947 What I've been hearing is that the issue is more where she's getting her supplements from - the 'nutritionist' she's working with sells those exact 32 supplements in her online store, and she might not have consulted with her physician before taking all those supplements. Not to mention there are some supplements that shouldn't be taken together because they nullify each other. Some people are concerned she's being scammed basically.

i'm vegan myself and it was really difficult to realize we can't realistically cause 0 suffering with what we eat, all we can really do is strive to end suffering when and where we can. we've got to nourish our bodies somehow, nobody's going to be able to stand up for the animals if we're all on water fasts. also i cannot stand freelee and raw veganism generally rubs me the wrong way. she's still posting and has been reviewing (mainly critiquing) the diets of everyone that doesn't follow her weird frugivore diet including normal vegans.

@Alex-ph5ir

Жыл бұрын

I'm vegan as well, and I really appreciate the vegan definition about "eliminating harm as far as practicable and possible." The ethics of veganism are always going to be a messy, ongoing, day-to-day process, and there's no such thing as a 100% harm-free diet/lifestyle. Which, to me, doesn't mean we shouldn't try -- but we deserve to take care of ourselves and can ultimately only do what is within each of our capacities.

@saraluisa3261

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way, there was a time when I also felt like I couldn't eat anything, because everything was unethically sourced in some way, if it wasn't exploiting (only) animals, then it was exploiting humans and I tried to live extremely perfectly, but it really stressed me out. I try to do my best, but in our current system there is no way to cause 0% harm unfortunately and I do have the right to nourish my body. That's why I dislike vegans so much, who act like they are perfect, because there is still harm in other (plant based) products.

@thephamilybusiness9485

Жыл бұрын

I was vegan for three years because of freelee and I’m surprised it didn’t kill me. I all but stopped eating because I got it in my head that everything I’d eat was bad for me (besides like three foods). I wish I could do it in a healthy way, but I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to :/

@isabelhasse773

Жыл бұрын

I wish I was vegan but I have impulse control issues, find it difficult to cook and plan my meals, and really enjoy/crave animal products, so I always end up backsliding. I think a vegan diet rich in fat, protein, and truly satisfying meals is the way to go for most people, and I strive to reach that point one day. But indulging in huge guilt trips on myself is not going to get me there, so I forgive myself in the meantime. Also yeah, hate that raw veganism is seen as the 'pinnacle' of a healthy, 'pure' vegan diet when it's really not sustainable for most people.

@barjee8965

Жыл бұрын

I don't wanna be the one to say it but y'all can be vegan for whatever reason you want, it won't reduce animal farming, it simply won't.

One of the big problems is that (at least in the US; idk about other countries), the term "nutrionist" is not at all regulated. If someone's based in the US, only listen to their advice if they're a Registered Dietitian.

@motionless_horizon

Жыл бұрын

This this this!!! I’ve seen so many people claiming to be “certified nutritionists” when that literally doesn’t exist in any meaningful way. They give out some very harmful advice and everyone takes it as safe and accurate, because they claim to be experts. I wish that more people understood that if you want actual advice from a professional, you need to see a Dietitian because they actually go to medical school and understand why and how different foods and nutrients work, and how to make the best plan for each individual patient

@caitlin8274

Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen quite a few influencers sharing their crazy/dangerous diets and they’ll all say “don’t worry I’m being advised by a trained professional” and it’s just some wacko nutritionist. These nutritionists are even claiming that certain diets can “heal” all sorts of things from cancer to autism and other mental illnesses. It’s gross

@darkydoom

Жыл бұрын

People get so offended when u say Nutritionists are not based in science, its Dieticians that go to uni and work in hospitals to assist with diets and health. Like, ooo a personal trainer got a certificate in nutrition! Wow. Sorry I'm being mean. They act so superior yet ignore their clients and scientific facts - just like chiropractors!

@Audrey-wj6jv

Жыл бұрын

I came here to say this! In the US, literally anyone can claim to be a nutritionist. Everyone watching this video is actually already a nutritionist - because it means nothing. A dietitian requires at least a BS, an internship, and a license - but most RDs (or RDNs) have a master's. You also must have continuing education credits to maintain that license.

I never had an ed, but I do have ocd. When I watch your videos I always notice how many similarities these disorders have. It's all about control, striving for perfection, obsessing over something to distract yourself from the pain inside... Talking about orthorexia, there is a manifestation of ocd called 'moral scrupulosity ocd', where one person becomes obsessed with being morally right, which reminds me of the orthorexic boy you talked about. Orthorexic tendencies are so normalised in mainstream culture, which probably makes it a lot harder to unlearn these behaviours. When you have ocd, you're still aware that your obsessions do not make sense

@salyx

Жыл бұрын

They definitely have a lot in common. I am so glad my OCD doesn’t lend itself to food restriction.

@verajasmijnart

Жыл бұрын

​@@salyx It's the same with my ocd. All the ocd compulsions that I have are in nature not harmful, which is in most ocd cases fortunately the case.

@salyx

Жыл бұрын

@@verajasmijnart I have had some really weird random ones that I’ve thankfully been able to work through. But the ones left are harmful to me. It’s rough.

@verajasmijnart

Жыл бұрын

@@salyx Aw, that's sad to hear. I wish you the best!

@kaileytaylor4518

Жыл бұрын

Wishing you the best! I've heard that EDs are associated with or classed as a type of OCD (or similar) but I'm not 100% sure. There can definitely be a lot of similarities and overlap

I had recovery turn to orthorexia. It became an obsession of getting all nutrients because I became so physically sick from years of starvation. I’d drink green tea for the caffeine and smoke cigarettes constantly for appetite suppression. I lost so much muscle mass I couldn’t even sit with good posture to hold my head up. I lost bone mass and my entire body became achy and always hurting. I had hair loss at a very young age that began to come back when I started eating again. I would stress out hard core making sure every meal had a solid serving of enough protein, a serving of vegetables, and a bunch of expensive vitamin/mineral supplements. I would throw myself into full blown anxiety attacks and leave social gatherings if I were to miss my “protein intake window” or I had no access to good food. It would cause me to eat when I was not hungry and to starve when I was hungry. So backwards! The weight gain was the worst part because the anorexic part of me wanted to stay super thin and the orthorexic wanted all of my nutrients. My plates would grow in size to accommodate getting enough nutrients and vitamins in every meal, while trying desperately to keep the calories low. It became a disastrous punishment cycle of eating large plates of “nutritious” foods and then forcing myself to get on exercise equipment until the calorie trackers had said I burned enough off. I’m currently at a higher weight (doctors call it the healthy range) and buying larger sized clothes has been so damaging to my mental health and self esteem. My weight has been at a healthy range for over a year now and everyone around me seems to enjoy it but I cannot go a day, or even a full hour without looking down at myself and feeling bad. I want so badly to dive back into ED behavior but my sick body truly cannot handle it. I get violently ill if I go all day without eating. Coffee by itself makes me nauseous, calorie free sweetners give me massive headaches, and my body becomes so week if I go a couple hours past my hunger pangs without food. It’s like after so many years of abusing myself, my body will not allow my to go back to my old ways. I want so badly to enjoy a plate of food without estimating the protein/carb ratio and feeling guilty after because I can feel the fullness of my stomach. No amount of help or advice could ever fix me. I am conflicted with enjoying my toxic behavior and wanting to be a healthy and normal person. I also have to say that I’ve never been shown healthy eating habits. I have grandmothers on both sides with severe eating disorders. One has sadly passed away in her late 50s because her body just gave out. She had kidney failure and sever heart problems. She’d limit herself to 500 calories a day or less and then gorge on the weekends and make herself sick. My other grandmother had a viscous cycle of starving and bingeing. My mother opened up about a mild eating disorder from my great grandmother who once smacked a dinner roll out of my moms hands as a little kid saying “Don’t have another roll! That will pork you up. Fat girls don’t get boyfriends”. True story! I get no comfort from my family about my eating because they all struggle too. It’s more of a “yeah, I understand” rather than a “let’s get you some help!”

@singerofsongs468

Жыл бұрын

It’s so hard when disordered behavior comes from inside the house. My mom has so much damage to her self-image from growing up in the diet culture of the 70s and 80s, but she worked stupid hard to teach her kids healthy behaviors and attitudes in place of what she was taught growing up. Now I’m an adult and it breaks my heart to see the person who taught me to enjoy “bad foods” in moderation, listen to my body, and love myself no matter what, fail to apply those ideas to herself. It’s like she put all the mental energy she had over this thing towards breaking the cycle, leaving nothing for herself for healing.

@GrungeGalactica

Жыл бұрын

I’m so sorry you’re going through all this. Maybe see if there’s an ED organisation helpline and talk it all out with them. Sometimes just having someone to listen helps a tonne. I hope that one day you can be that strong, understanding, inspiring family member, who overcame all that toxic bs. Sounds like your body is fighting hard for that 🙂

@nothanks5162

Жыл бұрын

Teal Swan- how to overcome an ed, she has one on ana and one on bulli. Those two vids, the best help I ever got for free. I never agreed to something more. Never felt more understood. I hope they'll help you too.

@LotusesGalaxyOcean

Жыл бұрын

That sounds overwhelming and as if you would need a overhaul mindset change to be happy. Have you considered looking for a lifestyle tradition around food and fitness that holistically gives you both the food and aesthetic you would ideally want in a healthy mindset? By traditional I mean ethnic foods and exercise. There is so much that exists in terms of symbiotic exercise and food traditions historically and culturally. I can’t imagine it would be remotely easy, but still surely worth considering.

@cjboyo

Жыл бұрын

God I’ve had phases with worrying constantly about my nutrients, I’m glad you’re working towards recovery

Bodybuilding is essentially an ED in itself that leads to other ED’s. Extreme restriction to the point that you’re a few kilos of body fat away from death/health risks, and can also introduce you to things such as binging and purging. Not to mention the awful body dysmorphia that comes along with it. Even at a bodybuilder’s leanest, paper as thin as paper with nearly no body fat, they’ll still feel like it’s not lean enough

@jjj4n4

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Bulking and cutting can absolutely turn into binging and purging when it gets to an extreme. Exercise addiction/compulsive exercise. Obsessive counting. Body dysmorphia. It's so sad it isn't recognized as a disorder yet (except in niche ED spaces)

@FronteirWolf

11 күн бұрын

I'm not sure of it's an ED in its self, though it does involve behaviour which is ED'd people will use, and Ed's are common among body builders. A body builder will do extreme restriction, but only to get ready for a competition and then drop the extreme restriction after, an anorexic will do it as a lifestyle.

The blonde looks so good on you, wow!!!

@lemurella

Жыл бұрын

Definitely stunning❤

@scarychewinggum

Жыл бұрын

I gasped! It's such a slay!

@SapphireRadioactive

Жыл бұрын

She reminds me of Otep Shamaya

@Geminisparkles

Жыл бұрын

Damn she is definitely a summer palette type. She looks so good in those muted tones!

@aspartame13

Жыл бұрын

@@SapphireRadioactivethey use he/they (:

side note: Dorian’s makeup and outfit looks incredible in this video

I was orthorexic, I had an ED, not anorexia, but it's been about 3 years now I just eat whatever the fuck I want and I'm ok. I'm heavier, but IDGAF. My life needs to be stress free.

@nunyabusiness164

Жыл бұрын

I'm so proud of you!!!

Ughh someone told me about her granddaughter who's studying to become a nutritionist and how proud she was and she was all proud to tell me how she was calculating everything before eating and cutting stuff out of her diet and controling hers and everyone else in the family's portions and telling them how much and what they should eat etc. And all I could think about was oh the poor girl... I really hope she gets help and proper support.

10:23 i knew exactly who this was about ; and i just wanna say that their first mistake was taking a nutritionist's advice & rolling with it.. it is worth it (& probably much safer) to skip over the nutritionist & go straight to a dietitian if you are recovering, as they're actually medically qualified.

@SoulxSpectre

Жыл бұрын

Is it the person eating mostly raw dairy from an amish farm? Xx

@noghollow

11 ай бұрын

@@SoulxSpectre yeps

@NANA-su5ql

11 ай бұрын

Depends on the nutritionist, I have many nutritionists I listen to because they’re training is really good (ex. Residency in hospital preparing menus for patients, years of learning, etc etc). To trust a nutritionist, you just have to look at their credentials and the place they learnt from instead of assuming all of them are quacks.

@TheSapphireLeo

11 ай бұрын

What if "medically qualified" is also by colonialism?

@trademark7596

10 ай бұрын

who is it?

I had an ED as a teen, "recovered" very quickly and 6-7 years later found myself orthorexic because of a nervous breakdown and was trying to fix severe acne and weight gain caused by this nervous breakdown with raw diets, vegan keto etc. Finally in a place now where I'm too absorbed with the rest of my life to focus on a strict diet and I'm in the best place I've been mentally in my adult life *toot toot* Also, I do think carnivore diets are the opposite end of the same spectrum

My mother had anorexia as a teen and then she raised us under a very SEVERE case of orthorexia. The constant cleanses, some making me vomit. The food restrictions. Being physically and mentally and verbally abused and threatened if we didn’t eat “healthy enough” some people might think orthorexia must be a good thing but I can assure anyone it is not.

I immediately knew who you're going to mention when you said something about the most toxic food influencer. I remember a video where it looked a lot like she had this lanugo hair that really malnourished people get. Sad that people believe what she preached and gotten sick. I also have seen the video of the woman with the 30+ supplements. She also does keto and intermittent fasting. I don't wanna know what she was eating before since she says she gained weight on this diet that is basically a calorie deficit. She said in the same video "omg my skin is so clear from this diet"... I also hate how everyone with their extreme diets claims that it cures all their issues whether it's a raw vegan diet or keto or carnivore. At the same time they tell the foods they exclude from their diets are basically poison and that their farts now smell like roses.

@s7d788

Жыл бұрын

Chronic illness communities are rampant with "0g carbs pure carnivore diet with 3 full days of fasting a week cured my illness" orthorexia and it's very sad plus there's usually actual ways you can change your diet to manage your condition that get lost in the fluff

@hirrorstories

Жыл бұрын

who is she talking about as the most toxic food influencer? freelybanana woman?

@somethingdiabolical7760

Жыл бұрын

@@hirrorstories Yes, the banana woman.

@ithinkiwoulddie9196

Жыл бұрын

As a chronically ill person I hate the “this diet cured my bababa” it makes my blood boil

@nunyabusiness164

Жыл бұрын

Omg I know who you're talking about. I hope she gets help and recovers for real. The body checking and WIEIAD content while claiming recovery is so harmful

It was a standard dietitian that listened to me telling her all the ED symptoms I had and afterwards thought the best course of action was to prescribe me 3 meal replacement drinks a day. I had numerous appointments with an ED specialist dietitian, just because I was being treated by an eating disorder team. I recovered with counting calories upwards, I still count them, but now I can more easily not count calories and still feel okay, which is great. On the downside I'm quite depressed at the minute and the reason I can't be bothered to put my clothes away or make my bed could be the same reason I can't be bothered to count calories.

Orthorexia absolutely does need to be an official diagnosis. So many people need help but can’t access it without paying ££££ because they don’t have an AN/BN/BED diagnosis 😢 PS: So happy to hear a dietitian was so helpful for you. I only hope I can be as influential and helpful to my clients as a dietitian!

When you mentioned recovering at your own pace and how some professionals refuse to work with that it really made me realize that there's a huge need for videos like this directed at those trying to treat EDs. My personal experience is that there's a tendency to meet us with a lot of distrust and skepticism and a sense that we're stupid for "doing this to ourselves", and having the person responsible for your treatment also be someone who thinks of you, in some way, as lesser really isn't helpful. Their attitude just further adds to the problem of feeling distrustful of others and like no one understands you, and the amount of force can make the experience feel almost worse than the ED itself

Unfortunately the “food is fuel” thing tends to actually fuel orthorexia. “Food as a part of the human experience” and being able to find peace with enjoying food and listening to what your body needs is the mindset that seems to help orthorexia more. It has helped me in my (slow) ARFID recovery. *I think this may depend on the person though. If weight is your main fixation, then your way of thinking may help, but a lot of people with orthorexia have health as their fixation. Edited to add: you might want to rethink that part of this video actually. I’m a little worried it might be triggering for some people with orthorexia.

@lesbirdie

Жыл бұрын

can i ask u about ur ARFI recovery? ive had it my whole life and its an added struggle to deal w it while trying to recover from anorexia and i dont even know how to start introducing new food bc a lot of it triggers my sensory issues😭 (if ur not comfortable talking about it to a random online i totally understand tho dont feel pressured!)

@heyits_cat8966

Жыл бұрын

I'm afraid I have some kind of ED, but don't know what kind. None I've heard about really seem to fit, and professional help isn't accessable for me. Anyway, "food is a part of the human experience" ah, I just wish it wasn't. I personally HATE food, I don't wanna deal with it I don't want it. I find that saying I need nourishment, reminds me how if I don't eat I'll feel bad. I'm glad you're in recovery! I wish you all the luck and love

@LotusesGalaxyOcean

Жыл бұрын

It can help to look at cultural traditions around food. For french and Italian often eating is a long process connected with social bonds and sensory enjoyment. But, over eating is not always a part of that. Valuing it for social and sensory reasons can be great. Another way is to think about tiny samplers of a bunch of different delicious things. Joy in the process of eating while being peaceful is fairly helpful.

@miriamg3689

Жыл бұрын

agree 100%. My dad seems to have orthorexia and he only sees "correct" foods as the way to be like moral and correct. The happiness causing parts of eating don't mean anything to him. He just thinks "how food tastes doesn't dictate its ability to fuel my body so there is no reason to ever eat a food I enjoy over an "optimized fuel". Its so strange to me because I see food as such an essential part of cultural heritage and experience, and experiencing an important part of other cultures, as well as a way to share happiness and nourishment with others.

@loryndabenson2118

Жыл бұрын

I've changed my diet to vegetarian recently for health reasons and I am feeling much better. I also use to do bodybuilding and the constant fixation on macro's and calories and eating at specific times really started to take a toll on my depression. Where I am now is, still mindful about what foods I eat because I have IBS but I'm not so restricted that I can't go out and enjoy dinner with friends like I couldn't do when I was body building. In some of my research into raw vegan diets Etc o hear things like we're not meant to eat cooked foods etc. I don't agree with that cuz not everyone lives somewhere that the wide array of fruits Veges and herbs are available year round so even as a vegan, in winter months you'll be eating some cooked or fermented foods if we're talking about eating what's natural and available in your climate. I think everyone should eat more whole foods but you should also eat what's available to you that makes you feel good in your body and also is tasty and enjoyable to eat. A lot of people are addicted to food and don't know it as well so we all have to do our own part to address our food addictions or aversions or obsessions and make sure we are eating in a way that is balanced and makes us feel fulfilled. And that looks different for everyone.

I'm so glad you spoke about FreeLee. She is such a dangerous influencer, like an online ED cult leader. Thankfully she barely posts now, so hopefully she is losing her toxic influence.

@cw9452

Жыл бұрын

She posts actually on this channel called the frugavore diet

@heathercameron1485

Жыл бұрын

@@cw9452 Oh no. That's disappointing to hear. She's really awful.

@canesugar911

Жыл бұрын

@@heathercameron1485 no shecis great. Everyone talking about her but a bunch of people doing "what i eat in a day" eating nothing but junk and none call out that toxic behaviour.

@cw9452

Жыл бұрын

@@heathercameron1485 Couldn't agree more

@AnnaCN78456

Жыл бұрын

Could not agree more. I did a similar diet for a health issue that no one could help me with and I started to see toxic traits in her. It worries me for the young generation that she can be influential.

thank you for speaking about EDs in a non clinical way- it’s really helped me rationalise my thoughts and let go of a lot of shame i have been burying. lovE the hair btw !!! ❤❤❤

Honestly i’m no where near fully recovered, i still struggle a lot with body image, but age really has been a contributing factor to at least trying. Once i hit like 24, i just couldn’t keep up anymore, the less i ate the worse i would feel, mentally and physically, it became literally impossible to restrict. From time to time I definitely still try and it just never works. Going from being underweight to not being able to maintain that in what felt like overnight was really fucking hard to accept, but i am much happier now at a healthy weight. There will always be that little spot in my brain that wants to be the tiny, delicate fragile person but my body simply isn’t built to look that way and i need to move on.

@boneymacaroni13

Жыл бұрын

Gurl SAME. I like to think I'm more or less recovered since I eat normally and am at a "healthy" weight, but on the mental front, I'm not really recovered. It all started around 18 and I'm 32 now, and what you said about it being less feasible as you get older because you feel the effects more is SO true 😂 I've noticed my metabolism slowing since hitting 30, which has made some insecurities come back up, but also has helped calm my young anxiety ridden brain. Appreciate your honesty and sharing your experience ❤ we just gotta keep moving forward and trying to be kind to ourselves.

@catherinemitchell3721

Жыл бұрын

I agree, it is f*cking hard as you get older.But bloody well done to you.I took decades to realise the bizarre nature of my disorder & how much 'life' I was missing. I hope you are enjoying life now.And hope you gradually feel alot better about yourself 💓

I feel like this video was literally made for me...I am recovering from anorexia. I'm eating and I love food. But I found myself becoming obsessed with eating healthy, "clean" foods. If it doesn't fit my definition of healthy, I don't eat it or I feel extremely guilty whereas before during anorexia, I could eat anything no matter how healthy or unhealthy it was (as long as it was within the calories I allowed myself for that day). It's strange, but I'm so incredibly afraid of non-nutritive foods. To anyone reading this struggling with something similar, please remember that any type of food can be part of a balanced diet. Healthy food should not take over and consume your life (no pun intended). Life is so much more than food. Your body is smart and knows what to do, even if you consume something that is considered less healthy. I work on myself and my end goal is to enjoy life and all kinds of food, because life is too short for limitations and I am so done with missing out. I want to try delicious deserts and sweets without feeling hesitation and guilt. Stay strong and remember we can do this, we can fight our demons. Don't compare what you eat with the internet, everyone is fake!

@somethingdiabolical7760

Жыл бұрын

I never had anorexia but I feel the same about healthy and unhealthy food. I'm scared to eat any food considered unhealthy and I'm even scared of healthy foods being contaminated with heavy metals, pesticides etc. I also developed a fear of anything that has been fried in oil. I recently felt horrible about eating one(!) sweet potato fry from my mums plate when we were at a restaurant like it's gonna kill me or something.

@nunyabusiness164

Жыл бұрын

I feel like it's so important to say that food is biologically necessary, yes, but it's also not JUST to stay alive. People also eat for fun and pleasure. People eat cake to celebrate birthdays. It's okay to eat a snack because you're bored. Eating enough food is a good step towards healing but it's also important that we let ourselves eat "more than necessary" because that's part of living a full, happy life too.

@RakisDerra

Жыл бұрын

@nunyabusiness164 I agree, thank you. Very valid point. Food is part of life and living and a part of culture and happiness. And a happy life is a healthier life than a life of limitations and sadness :)

@TheSapphireLeo

11 ай бұрын

Also as someone who ate everything we also hate all intake, now and relate to the healthy stuff, in addition to being vegan for the animals and environment and also want to live without intake, too and inclined to think wanting to eat, itself might be a "disorder" and/or at a certain point of evolution and relate to Pearl, in Steven Universe in that sense?

@TheSapphireLeo

11 ай бұрын

@@nunyabusiness164 Wow we hate this message so much at this point, too, especially if induced by inverting colonialism, to the 3D and/or 4D?

It's scary because the only food we have that has never been alive is salt, so pure orthorexia really is just the worst possible ed.

Honestly thank you for bringing up the 30 whatever supplements a day video/influencer bc everything about their diet screams ortho and it’s so stressful to me

@nunyabusiness164

Жыл бұрын

and the constant body checking videos girl we KNOW you're just "soooo tall" 🙄

i love your new look dorian

Woah this haircut looks absurdly good on you. Trevor Goodchild vibes. Also anecdotally most people I know who seem orthorexic (or at least obsessive about diets) are into the carnivore diet or tend to eat a ton of meat (e.g. while doing keto or paleo) rather than vegans. I think it's because it's easy to lose weight on high protein diets (most vegans I know aren't actually that skinny - they're more into it because of the animals). Of course, the price is that it's terrible for your health (rip your gut), the planet, and is wildly unethical.

The hair (im obcessed with what it does for his bonestructure), the jacket, the open green hoodie, the silver necklace with chuncky a pendant and black details along with black leather strap, the chunky rings, the rough washed out dark eyeshadow with the somewhat delicate prickled pattern and shisseled cheekbones - honestly it's just one of the most iconic androgenous looks i have seen

oh i'm so glad you're speaking about this. this is what's happening to me and it's so scary because i'm so self-aware that i see it happening but i have no self control

@nunyabusiness164

Жыл бұрын

I hope you get help and recover 🙏🏻

You just potentially saved me, I won't go into detail but you put alot of things into perspective for me

I find that mild intermittent fasting is very good for controlling my blood sugar, but we're just talking about not eating from 7 PM to 7 AM, and not being extremely strict about it. The diet fad I loathe is low fat-- cutting back on fat, even a little, makes me miserable. I thought your famous orthorexic was going to be Jordan Peterson and his all-meat diet.

omg i haven’t heard about Freelee in sooooo long! i looked up her channel and yes she’s still making content

I want to add to the point about slowly easing oneself into dropping food rules in an effort to recover via baby steps - If you choose to "experiment" with dropping rules or increasing caloric intake for a week or two, document it in a journal! Write everything down, including your energy levels and other things. You can look back and see how eating more food felt scary or uncomfortable, but in return you may have had fewer headaches that week, and perhaps you experienced a boost of energy. Eventually the pros will outweigh the perceived cons. It might help! ♥

Dorian that was amazing. I also know someone with orthorexia. In your last video you seemed quite depressed and hopeless but I noticed here you are much more vibrant and motivated. I know you use KZread to educate us but god damn you would be such a fantastic counselor for addicts. You have such empathy and experience and you have an absolute fantastic way with words. I hope you’re feeling better and know how important your voice is to this world.

“A disease of good heartedness” is such a beautiful way to describe orthorexic veganism. The fear of harming plants, animals, believing that all things which grow are also sentient and can therefore feel pain. It’s a slippery slope. There are so many diets out in the world, now more than ever it’s easier for people with ed tendencies to become trapped in a vicious self destructive cycle under the guise of health, wellbeing and bettering the planet. Thank you for bringing awareness to this ❤

This is so unrelated but wow Dorians hair looks amazing

As a recovering anorexic, I am attracted to orthorexia like a moth to a candle. Even if my ED never went away, it is still there, lingering somewhere in the back of my head and it sometimes gets to the surface.

@lilithvondark5103

Жыл бұрын

Same here!!!

@lindseyreyes6246

Жыл бұрын

Same

@NANA-su5ql

11 ай бұрын

It’s sort of like when you put out a fire, the embers are still hot. But eventually those fade with time.

@TheSapphireLeo

11 ай бұрын

Depends if people and traditionally are meant to live on less and less intake and sustain their body mass? Intuitively all intake feels like a compromise, at least now, and from a lot of research and actual non-colonial history, before colonialism happened? Want us to go back to nature?

@NANA-su5ql

11 ай бұрын

@@TheSapphireLeo Then the colonialists decendence, mostly those from a religious nun/monk background, would be able to sustain on a slice of bread and a pot of soup that was just boiling water filled with donations of food with no salt. And most people throughout history couldn't intuitively eat, they were trying to survive. Framing eating through an anti-colonialist lense isn't always good or bad, it just requires a lot of cross refrencing between old and modern science.

Pretty sure my sister is orthorexic. When she found out her daughter has diabetes she got OBSESSED with keto and low carb diet and it went extreme. Like to a point she would tell me that tomatoes are going to k1ll you. Like I get it, she loves studying all that and living this lifestyle (even though at one point she went so thin that people started to get concerned…it was an unhealthy kind of thin) What actually scares me is her daughter. Poor girl is about 13 years old and she is literally SCARED of certain foods now. In social situations she’s just miserable because there’s like…usually no food she’s allowed to eat. And you can tell she’s…er…severely mentally unwell from that. I fear what she’s gonna grow up into 😕

@TheSapphireLeo

11 ай бұрын

Eating animals with also processed/degraded, regurgitated waste product, as intake and sugars plausibly has to be the worst, as well as morally?

@TheSapphireLeo

11 ай бұрын

This is why we hate cities and restaurants, with colonial social engineering, if so, too? Also get concerned about cross-contamination also from the aforementioned ingestion of animals and not wanting too, even microbially?

TW: mention of orthorexia, food, diet struggles I personally struggled with orthorexia. It started with going vegetarian and then turned to only eating a handful of vegetarian foods. Eventually I saw a doctor due to my pre existing chronic illness starting to show effects on my lower gi system my doctor recommended bringing meat back into my diet and I flipped out. I had been fed so much propaganda about how I was a heartless monster, that I didn't care that my lower gi system was suffering immensely, I was suffering immensely. With help from my family, my doctor and my therapist I began eat a more varied diet again. Since then I've learned that all that matters is eating the right foods to keep you specifically happy and healthy. That looks different for everyone. My chronic illness limits my diet somewhat but so long as I'm not in pain or making myself sick that's all that matters.

@sillygoose420

6 ай бұрын

i don’t have a chronic illness but i can so relate to you, i was vegan for two years and it was a massive trigger for B/P for me unfortunately and i had such a hard time when my doctor recommended i start eating meat again. i felt like a horrible person and found it so difficult to be ok with taking care of myself. it’s so nice to know i’m not alone in that!

The extremely gentle nature of your encouragements towards recovery in this video were so so helpful to me tonight. I was on the verge of a really bad relapse and you made me want to make sure I’m feeding my body like a “normal” person and giving it proper nutrition without venturing into orthorexic territory. Thank you, Dorian! Also, here’s a little win I’d like to share with anyone who’s interested in some positive recovery news! I hadn’t touched one of my favorite foods in years out of fear but I cooked it for myself tonight and treated myself to a nice meal to celebrate getting into grad school! I didn’t skimp on any of the scary ingredients and I ate a normal portion! I even had dessert after!

Dude, I knew I was listening to your ED stories for a reason! I never related my vegetarianism and then attempt at strict veganism in my early teens to a disorder. However I always related to the feelings of controlled pain you've described in the past. I was reading the ingredients for absolutely everything and starving all the time. I thought I was just 'being moral', but in hindsight, in the chaos, my diet was the one thing I could control and the suffering matches up well with my other self harming behaviors at the time. Thank you! I had an inkling there was something more going on with that phase. PS. I eat fish now and I will fight anyone for cheese =D

@paadoxal

Жыл бұрын

i had almost the same thing happen, i loved being vegetarian but bc of stress it turned into obsession over what was most moral so i only ate a few things (very low on nutrients) and now i'm doing a pretty much intuitive diet which helped alot:) probably will return to veggie/veganism at some point when i feel confident in my ED behaviours not coming back 💚

@boneymacaroni13

Жыл бұрын

Both comments above are so relatable.

@amoureux6502

Жыл бұрын

​@@paadoxalI'm vegetarian and only ever dealt with a short bout of disordered eating, I currently have a bit of a "compromise" with myself that if I'm obsessively craving something not vegetarian, I'll let myself have it, and usually I find it's not actually as exciting as I wanted it to be, just that it was a sort of "forbidden fruit" or sometimes curiosity.

I had orthorexia for many years while I was a teen. It was even more stressful and soul destroying because it was paired with binge eating disorder, too. I'd berate myself for bingeing on everything I restricted, vow to eat healthier, and the cycle would repeat. I also had a food instagram account where I posted almost everything I ate (unless I was bingeing). It's all so sad to look back on. I was very much affected by Freelee at the beginning of my veganism. Sadly, she is still around and still has orthorexia. She actually seems to also have an obsession with her body, being "lean" and having a flat stomach. She has a following on a new channel with a fair amount of support. It's nothing like her past online presence, but she is still influencing thousands of people to follow her ridiculous fruit diet and makes videos shaming anyone who doesn't eat and look like her. I'm recovered now and can happily cook with oil and eat chocolate in peace but it hurt me for a long time. Its definitely a disorder that hides I'm the shadows of social validation amd praise.

@GrungeGalactica

Жыл бұрын

Yes I saw unnatural vegan reacting to freelees warped opinions on her what I eat in a day. She ripped into UV for drinking fricken coffee “a drug”, when FL’s brain is so evidently starved of fats, she seems to have lost all reasoning 😬

I love what you said about seeing it as gaining good life experiences rather than just weight. It’s soo true. I struggled so much being in a toxic diet loop of 2-3 days starving and wishing & lounging my days away feeling weak & lethargic and then binging and running on a full bloated stomach to try and repent the gluttony. I’m only 27 now but I’ve certainly learned over the last 4 years that if misery & self hatred is what it takes to get the ‘perfect’ body; I don’t want it. I now have a super active job that allows me to eat plenty and still look strong and slim. My body composition has changed so I have a slim waist and flatish stomach, but I’m at a weight that I was crying over only a few years ago. If I know I’ve had a greedy weekend, I just don’t look at my body in the mirror for a few days and just trust that it’ll go back to normal after eating normally again. All food just feels neutral to me now, so it just doesn’t hold the power over me that it used to. I wish everyone struggling in these comments to find the peace and self acceptance needed to move past all of this and focus on what’s actually important to them. Youth is far too precious to choose skinny/ ‘healthy’ over simply living and being ok. Don’t strive to be a ‘perfect looking’ shell of a human whose hobbies are only geared to your looks. Take care of yourselves the best you can, wonderful humans of the internet ❤

Im watching my father, who is in his late 50s, in real-time falling into orthorexia. People really dont understand that this is a problem

I- i didnt even realize my attempt at recovery turned to orthorexia. The second i dont eat healthy i go straight back to anorexia and the anxiety has definitely not left

I started with orthorexia and dipped into anorexia behaviour and I've had orthorexia since 2011 and to this day I still over exercise and self induce vom... I just love the mild self harm and sense of control... it makes me really sad...

You put out the best content on the internet. Agree with the comments on the new look being futuristic and amazing! So very Aeon Flux-LOVE it! 😍

OMFG YOU LOOK AMAZING I LOVE THIS NEW LOOK This hair paired with this makeup is absolute perfection

as someone with health problems and chronic pain, i’ve had certain diets recommended to help reduce inflammation and things like that and it can be really hard to start imposing limitations and rules on what i can and can’t eat without feeling like i have to become very rigid and go all or nothing with the restrictions. i think the biggest thing to help with that is to see actual medical professionals and get a professional opinion that’s tailor made to fit YOU and YOUR lifestyle and needs. taking the advice of any random person on the internet can be unsafe. these health/lifestyle influencers aren’t unbiased people who know you and truly want to help you, they’re trying to make money for their companies or their sponsors and they do that by selling their body and their diet as a product. anyone can go online and say [insert type of food here] is bad and scary and unhealthy and needs to be avoided! but there’s no one diet that fits every single person on the planet and will work for everyone

I almost gave myself an eating disorder with intermittent fasting. It started out as me just trying to get my sleep schedule back on track. Eventually, I started to notice that when I mindfully talked myself out of hanger, I felt more in control and wondered how far I could take it. Thankfully I remembered some of your insights about how EDs are generally always about control and realized "oh this is how eating disorders develop. I should probably stop" Also tried to do the whole30 diet and went through a withdrawal so bad it scares my addict friends if I recount it to them. So yeah. A lot of diets and health crazes that seem totally inane on the surface with the potential to have way worse repercussions than people think

I know exactly who you are talking about with the 70 odd supplement breakfast. She is 100% in my opinion trying to damage control and prevent too much weight gain with her keto diet and fasting. It's psuedo recovery and I have been there myself. I made up a lot of excuses in recovery to try to keep fasting, exercising, cutting out foods because I believed I had intolerances (it was actually discomfort from a damaged gut biome and the reintroduction of new food). Fasting has been shown to be terrible for women in general, a lot of studies supporting fasting are based on male subjects. I lost my periods doing intermittent fasting, gained belly fat but lost a lot of muscle. It is not a good strategy for most women premenopause. Btw, you look like an eldar steam punk elf and I'm all here for it, your hair and styling looks bomb 🧝‍♀️

this is unrelated but i'm having a very hard day and you uploading a video is just what i needed. i recently lost a close friend of mine in an accident. i actually used a quote by you in a memorial post, "now that you're never coming back, every rainbow I see, it ends in black". i plan to print the pictures out with the quote too.

I am a freelee survivor. She preyed on anorexic girls like me. Luckily other vegans let me to the light. I am still vegan 10 years later, I am healthy, recovered and I eat anything I want.

11:21 - Yes, seriously anyone can be a nutritionist. A previous friend of mine (who had and probably still has orthorexia) is now a "nutritionist" who claims to treat mental health conditions with her advice. She never went to university, she just took a weeks-long online nutritionist program to get "certified". She genuinely believes she "cured" her anxiety disorder by cutting specific foods out of her diet and is now trying to build a career doing the same for others.

Dorian, the masc energy of that haircut is just oozing out of the screen. I love it.

OMG!! The “30+ of supplements” and raw meat….I think ik the woman you’re talking about with an Instagram nutritionist, ironically with my name lol

@Liz-kj2jj

Жыл бұрын

Or rather organ meat i guess, but the whole carnivore/keto crap

Dorian! Thank you for this video. Your hair looks amazing omg

Love the hair and makeup! The cut and colour looks amazing and definitely suits you! 😍🤩

bro i think i had that for a few months in highschool caused by stress, i only ate two foods most days and felt fucking awful, i've only ever described it as almost an ED, thanks for talking about this

It technically is in the DSM - OSFED. I believe it will eventually be categorized on its own by the next DSM

I went from ARFID, to AN, then Ortho, and now I’m back at ARFID. I have a lot of anxiety around food, which stemmed from severe stomach problems and lots of food allergies. I had to restrict my diet to safe foods when I was young because eating anything that wasn’t safe, would make me incredibly sick. It ruined my relationship with food, and eventually my body. I eventually began to restrict as a way to control my body in the only way I knew how. This turned to AN-R and, as you know well, made my digestive system even worse. When recovering from AN, I was completely obsessed with eating the “right” foods. The foods my body could handle, the foods that people claimed would “fix me” and the supplements that would “fix me.” I was exercising way past my limit and caused a lot of damage to my already fragile body (thanks ehlers danlos,) and the intense anxiety was constant. I wanted to be healthy, I wanted to magically cure my genetic condition, I wanted to be a normal teen and be able to do all the things I did before my health declined. It was a need for control, it was fear and isolation, and in the worst way, was an addiction to knowing that I was choosing to be in pain and sick, instead of my body deciding it for me. Now I’m working on ARFID recovery, desperately trying to keep from slipping into another cycle of suffering. Thank you for talking about this and bringing attention to a very overlooked ED. The general public seems to think the only EDs are AN and BN, and refuse to accept that there are others.

Loved the new hair! Thank you for speaking on this issue. I'm in recovery and falling into orthorexic behaviour is indeed a risk for me. As I keep tabs on getting my nutrients I can feel the ed voice telling me to keep on keeping tabs until there is so many rules that I could fall into another type of control freak cycle.

There is a diagnosis of eating disorder non-specified. If you need to seek treatment, but don't think you fall under a more well-known e d try that.

I have to be thin and fit. Ate everything, then vegetarian, vegan, keto, now carnivore. i get so wrapped up in them, then too strict to the point im affraid of foods ! this is me at 60 yrs old, a lifetime of too much focus on whats good and bad. im so happy that i came across your video. realising i have an eating disorder, i have BPD also, so now i understand more about myself, thank you.

I would absolutely LOVE a video abt gym bros I feel like its one of those topics thats brought up in passing frequently but theres not many big conversations about it

My dear, thank you for speaking on this. Both I and my adult daughter have ED, and I wasn't diagnosed until a few years ago, when ARFID was added to the DSM. I knew I had disordered eating but I didn't fit under the Ana/Buli umbrella, so I was told I didn't have ED. By the time I got help (went to treatment for a little over a year), I was eating fewer than 500 calories a day, sometimes much less. I have ADHD, as do my sister and daughter. We were all diagnosed in adulthood. Orthorexia IS an insidious ED and it almost got me again when, at 55, I started watching a lovely, put together looking woman about my age who stated, along with her displayed diplomas, that women who are post-menopausal should only eat one meal a day in the evening. When she started answering questions about whether water was "allowed" during the daytime, I knew I was in the clutches of an ED promoter, and I disengaged. Orthorexia is RAMPANT in the US right now. Keto is a big one, and what we see is that there is rapid weight loss, followed by gaining all that was lost PLUS more weight, in perpetuity. I was told that my ED is very dangerous because most people who die of ARFID are not given an ED related cause of death by the coroner, because first, they are often of a "normal weight" when they die, and they die of myocardial infarction due to electrolyte imbalance, so their cause of death is listed as a heart attack, which is technically correct. My heart and blood pressure have been permanently affected by my ED and I now reside within the 98th percentile for death by stroke or heart attack on any given day, even with the correct diet and meds. ED is no joke. It can and will kill a person. That's why I am so glad that you are using your channel to alert people to it. Orthorexia fits VERY well with ARFID and gives the ED a voice that sounds "healthy." Scary shit. Really scary. Orthorexia is likely not going to be seen as a cause of death even when it is. I may have said this before, but I like you very much because you are literally like a twin to my own daughter, who is brilliant and beautiful and super smart and also a hot mess who cannot manage her life sometimes. Her ADHD and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome make it impossible for her to work a regular job. It's like you're her, but the Goth UK edition. Both of you talk about important subjects, both are survivors of street drug addiction, both have been exposed to abusive people who harmed you, both of you are Spectrum Dwellers, and both of you are so very wise and concerned for other people. I know this is long, and thank you for reading. Your content is really helping real people all over the world, my dear. You should be very proud of what you're doing.

omg, I love your hair in this one. As always, you bring a sensible and empathetic approach to these topics. Thanks for making this video ✌🏻

I really needed to hear a soothing voice telling a story today and yours is one of my favourites. Thank you for posting ♥️

I wanted to thank you sincerely. Your videos have been a great partner in my recovery -and they were the final push into starting it in the first place!- and I'm really thankful that you're willing to talk about these topics and your experience. A lot of things that came up in this video help explain some of the stuff I've done or I'm doing, and what exactly my dietician was concerned about when I talked to her today. So, thank you. I hope you're having a good week ♥

I don’t even have an ED and I love this women and how logical And kind she is!… thank you so much!

I love this hair and makeup on you! 😊

I'm really proud of you, Dorian. You were so well advocated and grown up in this video, that it really inspired me

I haven't even gotten to watch the video yet but just wanted to say, Dorian, this look is iconic AF and you're killing it. 👏👏

Love the grey lenses and shadow.. your eyes look very striking. adore this look.

A friend/neighbor of my grandparents, who is about their age, has this ED. She is fully vegan, and exercises far more than her body can take. Like, miles of running a day, at her age. She is deathly thin and does not look healthy at all. She has suffered numerous injuries and completely ignored medical advice to take a break from exercise. Recently, she had a wrist injury, and proceeded to go on a trip to a dangerous location to hike up a mountain in a jungle, where she could not have gotten emergency assistance if she needed it. Thank goodness she survived. She drags her husband along with her to everything and makes him eat the way she does, even though he has expressed distaste for the diet. It's really hard to watch.

Hey Dorian,( you look fab btw) this really hit me.Waaay past my 40s and have only recently stopped the self deception of Orthorexia.Still working hard on body acceptance, but shit do I feel better😉.Thankyou so much for this.Wishing you well 💜

Went thru some health struggle recently and your channel helps keep me grounded and focused on recovery💕

I have a person with orthorexia in my family so this video hits different. She's had multiple undiagnosed and untreated mental problems since young age and fell into serious anorexia as a young adult, had to be hospitalised. The whole family basically ignored the problem and hid it from the rest of the world to the last moment because they were worried of "what people will think" (ah, the classic one with mental illness), she partially recovered and turned back to healthy weight, but then fell into orthorexia. Every few months/years at best she changes her philosophy of what is the optimal diet and forces everyone in the family to go on it - once she was so obsessed with claiming that "gluten is poisonous" that she literally refused to go into a bakery because "she will get contaminated with poisonous flour". The worst part - she's a medical doctor and forces her patients into all those diets. She claims that every health problem originates from "bad eating". I mean it's true that what you eat *does* matter - but this is way over the top. As she has years of experience, most people believe her and think this will actually help them (sometimes they do, but REALLY RARELY, most of the time those diets either do nothing or do more harm than good). It's honestly scary how people like this are claimed to be "professionals". I feel like this topic should be talked about more, as you mentioned - especially in this day and age of all the crazy internet diets. Most people don't even know that orthorexia exist and claim "it's just healthy eating". Oh, also the gym bros thing. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this culture is sort of suspicious, yet so praised and widespread. The whole "gym will fix all your problems, including clinical depression OF COURSE". But that's another topic. Thank you for another great video Dorian, looking forward to more stuff from you!

I was having this exact same thought only yesterday bc of the person you mentioned in this vid. It’s sad bc she seems like a nice girl figuring things out but the hostile comments have got her back up and it doesn’t show her in the best light

fantastically thoughtful video as always. I love the hair!

Dorian!! This look is so great! Hell yeah my dude!

I dealt with Orthorexia as a kid due to ARFID. Being hyperlexic didn’t help because I’d read nutritional labels etc incessantly and take them at face value and my family also had a variety of health issues so that worried me. I’d also developed several phobias from watching Monk so you know my parents had an interesting time with me 😂 I ended up on pediasure and these raw calories my dad says he had to “sell his WHOLE leg for” 😂 But for me it led to Bulimia. It started out as purging to get out of school and after that it just roller coastered but my last and thus far only relapse was 5 years ago. And this is something I’ve only recently started piecing together since finding out Im AuDHD over the last two years. And it’s been mind blowing because Im in such a different head space now where I can actually look back and understand. But part of me still wishes people had made more of an attempt to help and that it didn’t take me being so goddamn exhausted with life and feeling like shit to say “I can do this myself anymore”. I am in a far better place now than I was then but it breaks my heart to hear other people struggling with this because it really isn’t an easy life to live or a mindset to have.

This is so eye-opening. Before I learned I had Celiac Disease I was constantly searching for health and happiness, and for a long time I looked for it in extreme veganism. I've been a happy gluten-free vegan for 10 years now, but back then my obsession was dangerous. I remember deciding to go raw vegan overnight without doing my research. Not even 2 days later my mom looked at me and gasped at my grey skin, sunken-in eyes and zombie-like lack of energy.

Geez, I love so much everything you do. Every video is extremely educational for both people, that know about it and for the people hearing about the matter for the first time

omfg i’ve been waiting for you to speak on this for so long 😭😭😭

side note: your new hair looks sooo good on you!

@calestaiezu214

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It looks amazing! I bet it feels nice with all this heat.

I think I have a form of Orthorexia. I had a very bad health scare and for awhile had to eat very simple to recover and feel better. However, I have stayed very restrictive our of fear of becoming ill and I notice I smell other peoples food, and I want it, but I won't and fill myself up on my simple foods. I have not really lost weight, that was never the goal and I make sure to get enough calories. However, I see the issue with this. It is just after that my brain banned so many things and tells me those food were responsible.

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That sounds more like AFRID, AFRID usually stems from a fear of getting sick or choking. Have you tried going to a therapist? You deserve to live a happy healthy life

i rewatch your videos constantly, you're one of my comfort youtubers that i've sort of fixated on. i am deep in my ed at the moment, have been for most of my life to be honest, and i don't want to recover, i'm not even looking at it, but you give me hope that i can try to take small steps to improve my condition, even if i'm not wanting to recover, i can at least work towards a slightly healthier situation. thank you so much for being a light in my life and a great comfort during times that are particularly difficult. i'm so grateful that you've put yourself out here into the scary internet despite all the cruel people. thank you. i hope you're enjoying the holidays, whatever you celebrate.

I missed you !!!! thank you so much for the content you are lovely

havent watched the vid yet but your hair looks awesome !!

It's the inevitable of the internet. So many influencers telling us "the way" to health HAS to have some kind of impact on people's psych. By the way, that jacket and hair are everything!!

I absolutely love this look, this jacket with the blond hair matches so well.

Thank you for saying you are skeptical about intermittent fasting! I don't know why people are suddenly obsessed with it. I rarely ever even fasted when I was anorexic and underweight. I always found it irritating and horrible. I recently was forced to intermittent fast because I got Invisalign and every time I eat I have to remove the trays and then brush my teeth, floss, brush the trays, etc. It takes a long time and is annoying so I stopped eating breakfast for a while. It was pretty agonizing to be at work distracted by my hunger pains watching the clock wondering when I'd be allowed to sprint out the door and feed myself so I could stop being dizzy and headachey. It really just doesn't work for some people and particularly I wouldn't recommend it for those trying to remain in recovery. Its really hard to explain this to people because I'm also into fitness and a lot of people try to ask me for diet advice and I don't know how to explain that not everyone should fast without outing myself as someone who had/still has mental issues with an ED

Thank you for your channel, you're always equally interesting and informative. I really like listening to your videos as I draw, the subjects you choose are so important and youre a fantastic speaker and writer c:

Rebecca Leung 100% has orthorexia. She started her channel as an AN recovery channel - radical self acceptance, breaking food rules, doing insane calorie challenges, etc. I followed her since the start. But she never gained weight and always maintained an absolutely shredded body, despite regularly consuming insane numbers of calories. She even tried a 30 day weight gain challenge (by "weight gain" she obviously just meant "muscle gain") and gave up halfway through. Like, girl. It's so easy to gain weight... If you're not absolutely pounding it in the gym every day of your life lmao. And therein lies the problem - she maintains her physique by being absolutely addicted to the gym, which allows her to eat junk food in such large quantities. Her channel is 100% food and exercise, but she gets almost every single meal from a takeaway service and doesn't voice a love of cooking at all. The meals she does prepare herself are bland and basic - student-level cooking lol. She has no interest in the interaction of different spices, flavours, fats, acidity, cooking methods etc. And she has this ripped gym bro boyfriend who enables it all. But honestly... A female body cannot sustain visible abs for 4+ years consistently (i.e. without a cycle of bulking and cutting) and remain healthy. The body fat percentage you need is way too low for a female body to function healthily. I call bs... I'm always surprised there aren't more threads about her channel calling out her obvious orthorexia, bc by god does she push it, and her audience is almost entirely recovering ED'd people. It's awful.

The reason I suffered from this in my early 20s was all of the “what I eat in a day” videos all over KZread.