In the 70s the pub was the main place to see the latest band, for no charge usually. Closing the pubs is the way to separate us and stop us forming a collective.

@mattsta1964

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely. They do not like free association. That is why they are deliberately killing the pub trade

@spongebobsquaretits

3 ай бұрын

exactly the reason they shut pubs in covid

@dallysinghson5569

Ай бұрын

Collective what, mob? Brit should quit drink.

@ianmatthews3041

Ай бұрын

​@@dallysinghson5569Rather silly comment!

@ianmatthews3041

Ай бұрын

Drinking habits have changed since the Seventies! Even from the past Twenty Years! Under Thirties seem to spend their money buying from supermsrkets getting tanked up at home then going clubbing as Boozers close! This is making Boozers close due to lack of support! Also leads to people not having 'Pub etiquette' due to when they do go in a Boozer they lack the knowledge as to how to behave!

Imagine having a housing crisis and 1000s of abandoned pubs in the same country. What a weird place we live in.

@sonountaleban

9 ай бұрын

Not counting the abandoned offices in almost every town in this country...

@killforkylie

8 ай бұрын

My guess would be that a lot of them are owned by property developers waiting to tear them down and build rabbit hutches on the site. The more rundown the building becomes the easier it is to get permission for it to be torn down.

@Johnketes54

8 ай бұрын

​​@@killforkylieAnd a storm or vandals lighting a fire! Even enlisted and protected just empty word's, We have 11 elm tree's 100 years old and "protected" and due to be cut down! Excuse me "protected"? They are "diseased" so some labourer or office boy has and can make that decision on "protected tree's" on the condition they plant new tree's! But they won't be 100 years old will they Einstein

@MrDshack

6 ай бұрын

@@killforkylieAlso, holding on to property keeps the values of their other properties higher. If property developers actually built and sold all the stuff they’re sitting on the prices would go down.

@barbarastepien-foad4519

6 ай бұрын

So far lucky us we have 8ndeoendent ourselves and microbreweries, Cap and Collar, Fanny's Ale House , The Hop but who knows what will occur ?

The cost of going to a pub has gone up out of proportion. I used to go to one after work most days, have a couple of pints and some food. If I did that now it'd wipe out most of what I earn.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly the same. 2 pints is more than what I earn in an hour. Anymore than that and my wage just disappears

@jhareng

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip Depends on which ale but GK IPA £2.84, Abbot 5% £3.47, Timmy Taylor Landlord £3.60, Tribute £3.29. Now gone up this week 5p across the board

@OckinElf

11 ай бұрын

I own a pub. Simple fact is that costs are increasing and footfall is falling. We have to charge more because the minority who do turn up and have the cash to splash are where we make most of our money.

@JoolsUK

8 ай бұрын

@@OckinElfOh Boy. So Weatherspoons is normal prices and everywhere else is overpriced? Weatherspoons are always busy.....

@Sam-bz1hr

8 ай бұрын

@@jhareng not in York! unless it's in a spoons ! £5 + a pint

Some of these pubs would've been open decades ago. Just think of the memories that were made over the years. Weddings, funerals, christenings, tears, laughter, friendships made and lost. Its enough to bring a tear to the eye.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah absolutely

@curtisducati

10 ай бұрын

@@wanderingturnip Strange but Solihull and Dickens Heath and surrounding area has ZERO empty boarded up pubs , and I mean none , they are all booming even the quite ones in the countryside are doing well ? Are we all alkies in the area ? LOL

@Surreptitious_1

9 ай бұрын

All killed by Communism, ironically.

@zoeoshea3098

8 ай бұрын

So many great memories. Can you recreate those memories online? No. You need people and places. So sad

@JohnBrennan-pt9kg

8 ай бұрын

Now they will be used to house our planned replacement 😊

I'm from germany, and the pub culture in England (or GB rather) is something truly to be cherished. I met so many amazing people over the years when I visited the island. A "local" pub where the neighbours would come together is just wonderful.

@Tismeabbie

7 ай бұрын

I’m lucky that where I live the pubs are still thriving for now

@beaulieuc8910

2 ай бұрын

you forget to mention the fights, drink driving alcohol addictions, domestic violence....

@johncarlisle6865

Ай бұрын

enjoy it while you can, this way of life is disappearing at an alarming rate

I spent my youth down my local, it was a bit of an alternative pub with various groups, I was one of the bikers. It had a massive garden that would become a festival in the summer evenings. And year you could smoke where you wanted. Beer was £1.01 for a pint of IPA and there was orange juice on tap for those who were nursing a hangover from the night before. On Fridays all the ravers would turn up early a 7pm waiting for their phone call for directions for the rave, they'd all wait in there while a couple of them would wait at the phone box for the allotted time. We'd all have a laugh then they's all bugger off the rave a 9pm. We'd see them again on Saturday a 11:30 am when the pub would open again for the lunch time pint and a half we were allowed to drink before going off for a bike ride to somewhere scenic, that was 1988/89. Good times Loved it, miss it

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved reading this mate. One of my favourite comments yet! cheers

@stevej4726

Жыл бұрын

My local was exactly as you described ( The Linthorpe in Middlesbrough) Bikers, Skinheads, Punks, fantastic juke box with music to suit all, massive garden. Never any trouble amazingly, everyone just getting pissed together !

I remember my late mother being appalled at the thought of going into a pub on her own. Embarrassed, She finally blurted out as to why - the only single females who went into a pub were ladies of the night! Times have certainly changed.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

😂 amazing

@James-gf9jl

Жыл бұрын

Worse in Scotland, and not just women. My late father was never comfortable in a pub even into his later years. There was a feeling amongst Scottish middle classes that it wasn't good to be seen in a pub or a bookies. Hence the windows were always opaque, as if they were trying to hide immoral activities.

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

Have they? I hadn't realised......

@Dani-El.

Жыл бұрын

"Times have certainly changed" Not really. They just stopped charging.

@ruthpower4892

Жыл бұрын

@@Dani-El. You do realise women enjoy sex and choosing who to have sex with?

Cracking video this! At first I thought it was going to be a bit of lighthearted mooching around a few abandoned buildings but it became more of a cultural reflection on the state of Britain. I think urban exploring content really gains value when it's contextualised. Keep up the good work and I enjoy the varied content :)

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for this. I really appreciate the comment, nice words like this spur me on to keep on making new stuff so cheers 😀

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip Keep going, pal. We need to document all of this, so future generations know that we didn't all agree with what went on - the deliberate destruction of our communities and our society by our governments.

37 minutes of strange bliss. Thanks so much for this, and well done on the hi-vis, that was true comic relief with an edge. You have a natural and abundant way about you, and an excellent narrative style. Keep making them, and we'll keep watching them.

@mybeautifulview

5 ай бұрын

I concur. Lovely comment. You have an excellent literary style 😊

@pasqualebrunelli2355

5 ай бұрын

Hello wandering turnip good job you did, in my home town in Italy since we have had loads of tourists coming every year all our cafè turned into almost British old styled pub , so not enymore classical Italian pizzeria but places where you can have along the pizza also different brands of bier from all over the world. It's a pity that most pubs in UK are closing down, very Sand bro.😢.

So here's a sad admission: I watched this one in my living room, on my phone, drinking wine from Asda. Talk about being part of the problem. It's true, though, drink-driving laws, corporate takeover, the smoking ban, the internet, and supermarket booze have all conspired to kill the pub. It's a tragedy. I'm old enough to remember 80p pints and establishments so thick with smoke you couldn't see across the room (mind you, the buses were like that as well!). In the 70s, my father and his work mates would regularly go on pub crawls across the Pennines, from Burnley to the edge of Leeds. They always had a designated driver, and the rule was the driver wasn't allowed more than seven pints! True story. I watched this partly in fear of seeing an old favourite of mine in ruins, The Staff of Life, in Tod. Thankfully, it seems to be still going strong. Good work!

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Real good read this thank you. I forgot about smoking on transport as well Haha god 7 pints was the designated limit, what a different world 😂😂😂 Oh the Staff is still there. Was in there not long ago, great pub 👌

@kevinwood5005

Жыл бұрын

Laid on my bed drinking cheap cider watching this. Id love to get ready and go out but simply cant afford it.😰

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

I'm from Rochdale, but now living in Finland (left in Nov 2020 to escape COVID f@scism - who would have thought that our government would have told us that we couldn't visit our own friends & families?? WTF). Over here in Finland there are still plenty of good 'wet' pubs. I think that governments have tried to kill pubs because they help to glue our communities together & provide a venue for people to swap ideas (they definitely don't like that!). People have to accept this horrible truth: since March 2020 the government has been at war with its own people. We can fight back by spending our money sensibly - in small independently run businesses, rather than in big supermarkets and chains who fund the Davos slavery.

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinwood5005 Done on purpose - not an accident.

@lunamoona3659

Жыл бұрын

😂

Just wanted to point out that the high-visibility vest hack really does work. As someone who is shy and a woman but really enjoys architectural and street photography, wearing one of these vests is the best way to ensure that I'm ignored and that no one starts messing with me.

It's a similar situation over here in rural Ireland. So many pubs have closed down over the last 20 years. Very different to when I was young. It has led to isolation for many country folk who used to use the pubs as a social centre to meet neighbours.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. I think your spot on about the isolation of country folk, I see that here in Yorkshire as well.

@alanianfintan

Жыл бұрын

Drink driving laws did it for Ireland and also lidl Aldi selling booze for half nothing, why pay a fiver for a pint when you can get 5 cans for that. Miss the pub ---all foodie types of pub around me now, no dartboard no pool table no game of cards . Young people don't slam back pints n shots anymore either , all healthy with new clothes new phones and blue hair but no joy in em

@bryanodriscoll2123

Жыл бұрын

@@alanianfintan While I think it was necessary to do something about drunk driving I think that it affected many older country men badly. Most of them never drove fast to begin with. You can still see many of them driving at 35 mph everywhere. I'm old enough to remember when the Guards would follow some of these older chaps home when they were a bit wobbly after a night at the pub to make sure they arrived safely. Not now. After the law changed many of them became very isolated and the pubs couldn't remain in business because there wasn't the trade any more.

@alanianfintan

Жыл бұрын

@@bryanodriscoll2123 Yep on country roads with nobody about . They were only a danger to themselves. But it was done over fellas out on the main roads doing a 100 plus and killing people. It's sad but the world is changing. Not for the better in my opinion. Nothing is good anymore nothing lasts not items not people,, all sub standard.. we either laugh or cry . Let's laugh 😂

@DrumToTheBassWoop

Жыл бұрын

The changing dynamics of society are playing a role.

As soon as buildings stop getting heated internally, like central heating, and they remain exposed to cold and damp, the water gets into the bricks and that’s when the paint starts peeling and the window frames begins to decay. I know this because there’s an empty shop opposite me and i can see what’s happened over the last two years since it closed. You can see the damp seeping up the bricks from the ground. Another great video thank you.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah nuts to think that it can happen in just 2 years. Thanks pal 👍

@TheRocktalk

Жыл бұрын

Now that energy prices are so sky high it makes you wonder what affect this will have on all sorts of buildings in these cold, rainy lands.

@kevinhorne429

Жыл бұрын

That’s interesting to know, never knew how they deteriorated so quickly.

@chatteyj

Жыл бұрын

Wow never knew that, moral of teh story don't have a painted house lol.

@lynnayamoon

Жыл бұрын

Whats worse, is that many places have used gypsum plaster over lime plaster, and that about the worse thing you can do. Lime plaster walls are meant to breathe, and if they are plasted with the wrong material, or painted with a non-breatheable paint, its falls apart quite quickly. I know, we've bought a 300 year old, grade 2 listed, pub thats been closed for 8 years, and there is a LOT of work to restore it properly.

It's a sad thing to see, this society we live in now has changed so much since losing our pubs. They were a proper community, full of atmosphere and a great meeting place. The first sign of trouble for this industry was the smoking ban. It changed everything , and it was just a matter of time. Great days, great moments, and fantastic memories. Nothing has replaced them, and thats sad.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

So many people highlighting the effects of the smoking bad. That was just before my days in the pub started so I missed all of that. Cheers for this though pal

@mikb5587

Жыл бұрын

The smoking ban was when I and people I knew stopped going all together and the pious anti choicers never replaced us.

@johnwayne5984

Жыл бұрын

The smoking ban was the reason I started going to pubs again. I'd say the smoking ban was mabye decimated the amount of people that went. So not that bad. Its the internet that killed it.

@jhareng

Жыл бұрын

Last straw is weve now had 3 years of being brainwashed in to staying in, no one knows what it is ro socialise and have fun. Have met several that used to be regulars by this time 2020, all said theyve forgotten about it and never been out since, now thats whats been thrust on this lot and theyre still pushing covid jabs to boosters ffs

@Neil070

Жыл бұрын

As the vice president of a social club, I can say categorically that this is nonsense. More people came to the club that first weekend after the ban, and footfall remained high. I and others redecorated one of the lounges after the ban. I polished what I thought was an old wooden coat stand. It was actually chrome with a thick coating of tobacco tar. Most of the work involved scraping crud off wooden surfaces, the bar and fittings. We were all breathing that in, while complaining about the smell on our clothes. I've lost so many friends, relatives, even my father to cigarette smoking. Vile, smelly habit

A number of factors caused the closure of pubs back then. Firstly, the introduction of the no smoking laws meant that over 50% of regular customers stopped going out to pubs. Secondly, the crash of 2008 and the introduction of austerity by the Cameron government in reaction to said crash forced customers to stay at home and drink cheap supermarket booze instead.

@misscoutts6193

Жыл бұрын

People forget the 24 hours licensing had a big effect on a lot of pubs that could not cope with being "open all hours".

@chatteyj

Жыл бұрын

absolute rubbish I don't know anyone who stopped going to the pub because they had to go outside for a cigerette, a few grumpy old men stuck in their ways maybe who were unable to adapt, most pubs provide undercover heated and seated outdoor areas anyway its really not a deal breaker for people who actually want to socialise.

@1watsonwatson

Жыл бұрын

@@chatteyj Yeah, but you're from Devon.

@rodden1953

Жыл бұрын

@@chatteyj I did

@happyjack7948

Жыл бұрын

where i live the new people dont use pubs not allowed and as there more of them then us well pubs shut

I am living in a previous pub turned into a home. There is still an original pub wall in our living room.

4 pints of Stella 4 for £10. We were living the dream.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

The good old days

@stevej4726

Жыл бұрын

When I started drinking, in 1973, was 15p a pint....so 6 pints and crisps for a quid !!

There used to be around a dozen pubs within walking distance where I grew up. There's only one left now and I can't see that surviving much longer. A few have been demolished, some converted into apartments/bedsits and a few remain standing in much the same condition as the pubs you showed here. I'm 45 and really noticed the rapid closure of pubs after the smoking ban. I love looking at old pictures of my local area. It's often hard to recognise some of the roads because the landscape and buildings have changed so dramatically, but one thing you always recognise in those incredibly old photos are the pubs. It's sad and also fascinating to see these historic buildings that up until around 15-20 years ago were bustling with life and activity, now just sat empty, neglected, decaying and crumbling. Thanks for the tour anyway. I love this kind of thing and I like your style (brilliant tactic with the high vis and hard hat haha) so you got yourself a subscriber.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for this! Yeah I’m the same with looking at old pictures. There’s loads of one, the stubbing wharf, which I pass near the end of the film. Loads of people outside in mucky suits, I reckon it’s from the 1920s. Such a good photo! Cheers for the comment mate

great video I was once a landlord of a 400 year old pub the angel inn in Andove Hampshire. Thisvideo bought back some memories and yes the smoking ban hit us hard. I miss those days great community spirit everyone having fun taking the piss out of each other. I would go back to it in a heartbeat but unfortunately its simply not viable anymore.Keep up the good work

I often think how amazing it would be to travel back to the 80s or 90s and experience a night out round all the pubs that are now derelict. Would be very interesting to see what they were like in their heyday.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s been ace to hear from people who remember these places. I was hoping that would happen

@seangotts6470

Жыл бұрын

bro the early 90 were nuts fun and epic ... but that will never ever return

@royfontaine5526

10 ай бұрын

I experienced the late 90s and early 00s before the demise in the late 00s. It really was awesome, everywhere was busy, clubbing music at its peak etc. Never for one moment did I think it would end. Sad times. The smoking ban was definitely the death knell in my opinion. Combined with increasing prices, the internet and supermarket booze of course. Modern times are dreary.

@JoolsUK

8 ай бұрын

@@royfontaine5526Same for me. Life was mundane and living for the weekend was the same for many. Music was diverse and bands of all kinds and levels played in them or on the jukebox. DJs and bar culture lived alongside it. But having the internet means young people see that as their culture.....

I hope you're telling friends and or family beforehand where you're going. These old buildings are unpredictable and if you fall and get hurt nobody will know you're even there.

When I was growing up in the 60s, you could only buy alcohol in pubs,or at the Out Door beside the pub. Off licences only started in the 1970s. I don't think it was until the 1980s that you could buy booze in a supermarket. Hence why pubs were so popular. Also the boom in nightclubs drew people away from the local boozers.

In the Woodman Inn it had a function room upstairs and I had my 18th birthday in that pub in 1978! That was a great pub with great food. All of the pubs you mentioned I have been in. Its great to see you reporting on these old pubs, very sad to see them in this way.

White Horse Friendly shut down in 2021. Currently been converted into One Stop Shop, 2 Flats above and 2 Bungalows behind it.

Being a Norwegian I have for a long while felt envious of the pub culture over in the UK & Ireland. Just popping in on a week day, grab a few pints and chat some shite with a semi-stranger and then get home to the missus. I also love the look of these old buildings. The Grove Inn could be such a great place to bring back to life. It is interesting to me that a lot of the people in the comments points to the smoking ban as the final nail in the coffin for the Great English Pub. The interesting part is that here in Norway we had a smoking ban set in place from the 1st of June, 2004. Most pubs and bars survived that with minimal damages. But I do believe that we use pubs/bars in other ways than people from the UK & Ireland. You knock down a few pints before even going out, then drink and chat and get the last bus home. Very few of our pubs have pub grub like we see in the UK. Pubs over at the British Isles seems more like homes to me than the pubs in Norway. This is the reason I tend to visit UK & Ireland just to get a feel of the pub life that seems so wonderful to me. Last time I was over was last summer...

@happyapple4269

9 ай бұрын

They were like second homes for a lot of men.

@needfortweed8734

9 ай бұрын

and that was what seemed lovely to me@@happyapple4269

@beaulieuc8910

2 ай бұрын

@@happyapple4269 and not women

@johncarlisle6865

Ай бұрын

@@beaulieuc8910 I grew up in the sixties, and all of the pubs I visited were frequented by men AND women. it's obvious to a blind man that you have a real downer on alcohol and pubs. can you honestly tell me that there are no benefits from drinking alcohol in moderation? if the answer is no, then you're either not trying hard enough or you are lying

Pubs were social meeting places,also social job centres.Places where people meet doesn't suit the government.If there are no meeting places,there are no social interactions,and no discussions.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah absolutely I wish I had thought of this point when making the video 👌

A couple of the pubs ( The White Lion and The Hare and Hounds) in this video relied on factory workers. When the factories started to close both these pubs suffered. I think The Hare and Hounds has closed several times over the years and has had many owners. However when the Mills were next door it was a thriving business. The Lion had lots of business from the factories across the road.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s the era I’d like to go back to and see what they were like. I bet it was great

You kind of remind me of the Paul Whitehouse character who always says "brilliant ", on the Fast Show. Walking about looking at crap stuff....Brilliant!

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Haha I’ve had this said a few times…but I beg to differ that I look at crap stuff 😂 I personally find it all great

Hey @Wandering Turnip, thanks for tagging me in this. Really great video! Glad to see my info helped. It's been a really tough few years for the Great British Pub over the last three years. I'm sure even the bigger PubCos like Stonegate are feeling the pressure with energy bills going bananas, and prices of everything going up. Unfortunately it is the bigger boys that are going to weather this storm better than the rest. And that goes for breweries, bottle shops and taprooms too. Too many of them closed last year. But pubs have weathered tougher conditions than this over the centuries, and as long as we go and support them then they'll survive to fight another day! Again, great video. I expect wandering around the inside of the Grove Inn was a strange experience. A strange liminal place where you could almost feel all the history around you, like when you walk into a really old church or something like that.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for replying. Yeah I bet you are right about those bigger pubs. That’s it. I’ll keep going and supporting those pubs I do love, and they have a real following and crowd as well so the support is there. Thanks again for everything mate, love your channel 👏

Love the Calder Valley - such a beautiful part of the world. Some of these pubs are such beautiful buildings. Shame to see them empty and deteriorating.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

It is great hear. It’s sad but I’ll miss the signs when they are eventually changed

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip Last time I visited Hebden had been taken over by snobby, 4x4 driving, middle-class champagne socialists, from down South who moved up North to buy cheaper properdees.

You could still smoke in pubs when I was a student. That makes me feel old now!

wouldn't it be good if these pubs could be brought back to life its history never to be seen again.i lived on the Isle of Dogs London and there was 43 pubs in a 9.5k distance from pub 1 to 43.

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

There's also been a huge change in demographics in many parts of Britain. These changes have also killed off a lot of pubs. In the East End you won't find many Cockneys anymore! The change in demography is also extremely noticeable in my home town - Rochdale. Fewer customers for the football club, fish and chip shops, as well as pubs.

Great! I Basically grew up in the Grove! the room with all the bricks in was the pool room and me and my sister used to play pool and my Dad would sit at the end of the bar, good times! This and a few of the other pubs on Burnley road were bought by a big property development firm for cheap after they closed and they soon changed the planning from commercial to residence which meant they didn't have to pay empty commercial building tax, they turn up every once in a while and then leave it for months at a time it's been over a year since anyone was doing work there. Such a shame I've got such fond memories of the place and the green tiles on the bar are like a time capsule! The cellar used to go under all the houses on that terrace and it had a well in it that they would use for brewing the beer back in the days before brewing companies. Great insight as always Turnip and long live the fox and goose!!!!

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Ahh amazing! I knew you would have some good memories of this one 👌👌👌

@pyewackett5

Жыл бұрын

Lovely barrel vaulted ceiling & the stone flags on the floor in the cellar. Quite an old pub I think

This sort of stuff makes me happy and sad. The memories gone by… Christmas times, Easter’s, bank holidays, and summers that these places hosted. Like you said, the relationships forged in these pubs back when you could smoke was unparalleled. it hits me hard as I lived through a lot of this part of my life in places like this and it has given me so many happy memories drinking and having a good time in places just like this especially at Christmas and it really was amazing.. the poem by your friend was fantastic. 😢

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

I really wish I could see then in their hay day. I definitely have great memories of the pub but would love to go back to a old smoky boozer and see what they were like back then 👍 thanks for this, and I’ll pass your nice words onto Harry about the poem 😀

The introduction of food into pubs and the non-smoking diners who didn't want smoke drifting over them when they ate/drank has ruined the pub trade. Pubs and restaurants are two different things and should have been kept separate. Some of the larger pubs who used to host weekend discos/parties and had thriving trade, were knocked down for housing, supermarkets or became Chinese buffet eateries, even though some were grade II listed. Seems no one is allowed to enjoy themselves anymore! The nation has now become food obsessed!

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Lots of people are highlighting the smoking ban, and how bad that was for the pub. I was about 13 at the time so just a bit too young to really see the effects of it, but can imaginen the change. Thanks for all this 👍

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip It was a bit like all-seater stadiums at the football - made it too middle-class and wrecked the atmosphere - a major pull factor gone. I live in Finland, and it's not as bad over here. I have made some videos about it which are on my KZread channel.

@gujh03

Жыл бұрын

Pubs had to introduce food to survive. It cannot operate just by selling booze. I know because I ran one. It's adapt or die.

@andydixon2980

11 ай бұрын

Totally agree. People who want food in a pub should expect smoking/drinking/noise etc....what's wrong wtih having pubs as they used to be, with a smoking bar and a non-smoking bar? Banning things in my opinion takes away choice and freedom.

@aa6-sf6qd

6 ай бұрын

The anti-smokers predicted that life expectancy would rise by about 5 years once smoking levels were reduced to a low level. Well now smoking has declined to a low level and life expectancy is right where it was before the smoking bans.

What started the downhill of pubs was the smoking ban, workers used to go to the pubs & have a few pints & a smoke with their locals & catch up with what was happening, also that closeness of communities has faded too, the only pubs that survive have gone upmarket & have big restaurants within them

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah spot on there I think. I don’t think I fully realised how much of an effect that it actually had

I lived in North Yorkshire in Malton exactly for 15 years...beautiful memories....I came back to my home country Poland in 2020...I always loved small yorkshire towns and villages....sad to see how UK is changing and falling deeper in to the void

In 79 when I did my army basic training in Richmond North Yorkshire there was 27 pubs. I returned in 2011 and they'd nearly all disappeared and the ones there seemed like 'themed'. I didnt try any only ate fish and chips from one of two shops, no change there.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I know what you mean by themed. That seems to be the way…unfortunately

@simonh6371

Жыл бұрын

Used to go into Richmond at weekends too when I did my trade training at Catterick 1990-1, Vimy Barracks. Let's at least hope that there will still be NAAFI bars on camps forever. In BAOR each Sqn had a bar too lol.

The pub was the heart of the community .a refuge. / office. . We used to supply produce to one local pub for decades. And all on the farm had a slate and paid it weekly .and at end of week when totals done we still owed more to landlady for all the beer drank. Wish we could have them days over again. 1970's

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

That sounds amazing, I wish I could experience that 👍

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

We can bring it back if we won't to! Stop buying from supermarkets and buy from small, local firms. It might cost a bit more, but we have to stop behaving like Turkeys voting for Christmas.

That's how much Calderdale council cares about local businesses !

@rogermellie8068

Жыл бұрын

If it is a woke tat shop then the council will be in full support anything English, nope.

Nice one! I've just found your channel. I'll be watching loads more of your vids. So tragic to see all that history and culture rotting away.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s crazy just to see it slowly fade away

Fantastic film . I love the front door of The Grove Inn . I live in Bedminster, South Bristol. Here we still have a lot of pubs but when a pub does close for good developers are in in no time and in a blink of an eye they are turned into apartments. I have done some research here in Bedminster and am amazed at the number of cinemas there used to be . All gone now , though the original facades often still there. Keep the filming, cheers

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Ah cheers for this. You have given me an idea for another film, old cinemas 👍👍👍

@jasonblonde4886

Жыл бұрын

I live in Ashley Down. Gloucester Road has the best bars in Bristol.

at last someone who has my way of thinking about Pubs i remember pubs in the 1980s everynight they were packed but then we only had 4 Tv channels and no wifi or stuff like that, so people came out more plus work finishing times were about 5 30 no weekend work so people just came out to get pissed i remember in my town Headington in Oxford you could walk down road no traffic no supermarkets open nothing open so people went out, now everybody works late have big mortgages have full internet and Amazon etc and since Covid stay at home with cheap beer from Supermarket.

Here in Oxfordshire we still have a number of independent pubs in nearby villages although many have gone down the "gastropub" route. My favourite pub is probably an independent one in Oxford called The Chester Arms which has been thriving even though Greene King didn't think so before they originally closed it. A local independent brewery has also taken on a couple of pubs so maybe there is hope. Your channel is great, and your enthusiasm and passion is evident in your videos. I look forward to seeing more of your content 🙂

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Ah interesting to hear about Oxfordshire, that is good news. and cheers I really appreciate it 👍👍

@raystimpson

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip It's a bit out of your way to visit 🤣

@badboybullterriers4104

Жыл бұрын

i used to live in Oxford bought up there i know the chester arms what part of oxford?

@badboybullterriers4104

Жыл бұрын

of course pups do well in Oxford its full of students, go up North or Birmingham there is a large Muslim community who don't drink that's why all the pups shut.

@raystimpson

Жыл бұрын

@@badboybullterriers4104 I've moved out of Oxford city now but I work near the Chester Arms.

The high-vis, hard hat and lanyard approach was a stroke of genius. So simple, but so effective.

@wanderingturnip

11 ай бұрын

Got another video planned where it will come in handy...

@johntallant9976

8 ай бұрын

It works my wife's old firm had Yorkshire stone flags stolen by travellers from their courtyard they even put barriers up pretending to do a water leak lol

First pub The White Horse closed not so long ago - around 2020. I was doing work with the guy who lived next door to it just before covid struck and it was open at that time then I think it closed shortly after.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

That nuts, it looks like it’s been closed for a lot longer.

Another amazing video, each one you put out is my new favourite. Love the history aspect. It’s such a shame to see the pubs left abandoned xxx

the death of pubs started with the smoking ban, i am an entertainer, i was there when it happened, it was ok to go outside for a smoke in summer but when winter came nobody wanted to know, clubs and pubs emptied then in turn what we have today, on mass closure, now there is almost nowhere to go or entertain.thanks MARGERET BECKET. you got your badge of honour

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah other people have said how bad that was for pubs. I’m just a bit too young to remember it fully. Thanks for this though 👍

@tay7366

Жыл бұрын

Killed our pub off overnight

@ryderdeyn

Жыл бұрын

Many Pubs used to host bands in the 80's, there was a noise ban (pubs had to have a decibel meter) in the late eighties which restricted the musical entertainment to acoustic instruments,. So that was the end of our rock group.

@pam-gw6uk

Жыл бұрын

Agree... It was also the death of the working mans clubs.

@jmtubbs1639

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip Chris Hutt wrote The Death of the English Pub in 1972. The Real Ale revival brought a reprieve, and Spoons did their bit especially inside the M25. Then The Beer Orders of 1988 created chaos, overvalued pubs with high rents, proiperty companies not brewery ownership, inadequate selection of licencees. More recent causes of decline are as you state.

Great film. I've drunk in all those lost pubs and more besides- the Black Lion in Luddenden Foot, Mount Skip above Mytholmroyd, stayed in the Nutclough Inn when I first moved to Hebden. Still remember their cracking menu which included something deep fried they called a Cuddywifter 😂.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Oh ace. I was hoping people who had drink in them all would get in touch 👌

I lived in the Grove Inn when I was a teenager. The whole rear of the building has gone now which is a shame as it was a beautiful part of the building. There was a 2nd bar at the back which was rarely open that I used for me and my schoolmates. The 2nd floor was for accomodation and was split into seperate rooms and my bedroom was at the far end. The beams are nice but smacking your head on them hurts. The cellars are the most interesting part as they have a fresh water reservoir underneath them and a blocked off tunnel at the end which I'm convinced leads under the road to the canal as there's a similar blocked off tunnel there.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow no way. This is so interesting, cheers for getting in touch. I bet this was a strange watch for you then seeing the state of it now!

The mind boggles at what we collectively call progress!! A sad reflection of this apparent need to make everything bigger and better and faster. Give me a time machine, and I would gladly stay in the old England. Great video yet again.

As a 16 year old in summer '73, it was joyous for me, drinking the tasty cool beers and enjoying the free peanuts. Now, the off licence is the only sensible alternative, a pound or two for a can/bottle beats paying five times that much in a current pub.

I do love your child like excitement at discovering new places and nooks and crannies. The beautiful green tiles and mahogany wood still looked so good.

I just find it sad ,all these lovely ,once thriving buildings decaying and unused ! People just can't keep the businesses going ,inflation and the energy hike is certainly taking its toll 😒like this all over 😕 Thanks for sharing 👍 🙂

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it must be so hard to run a pub these days with the living costs…unless you are a big chain 😕

@magsk6721

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip The poem was so true ,sadly! Nice little ending , 🙂 look forward to your next little wander 😊

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip We have to fight back by spending our money more carefully. Boycott the supermarkets and stop drinking at home.

I really enjoy your content, watched a couple of your videos now. I like your presenting style and find it really interesting to hear you giving some background info and history. Keep up the good work, great channel!

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Hey thank you for the nice feedback Dan I appreciate it 😃

FYI: The Nutclough Tavern is now the Nutclough Housing Co-Operative, and as such home to seven people as well as a place where events are regularly held. I lived there until September 2022. You should see the garden, it is amazing, and the living room is still very much as it was when a pub, complete with bar! Lovely video.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Oh cool I did know that. Very cool. I’d love to have a look in sometime. Thank you for watching 👍👍

@neilwarburton3683

2 ай бұрын

I knew the founding members discussing the day they got the funding. Around 2002

One of the most devestating things about looking back is seeing how many pubs are abandond. My parents were Publicans back in the 70s and 80s, and their pubs in Wales are all closed now. so sad.

Excellent overview video about the demise of the local pub, same can be said about the demise of the high st shopping. Both scenarios have been manipulated by consecutive government's.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah high st shopping would be an interesting video as well

@pamills66

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip The hgh streets of britain would make interesting viewing as it's a record of the modern day situation we find ourselves. Where I live in South west the high streets of Torquay Paignton Exeter Plymouth are near to 50% closed boarded up or charity shops, whereas Totnes Exmouth Newton Abott are still vibrant.

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

It's called the WEF's Great Reset. See my channel for more details. We have to push back against this deliberate destruction of our lives.

I've drank in all the derelict pubs you've shown...such a shame to see some magnificent buildings get to such a state. The woodman is a particular sad sight, my dad used to drink in there and was good friends with the landlord.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

When I made this film I was really hoping some people would get in touch who had been in them all and have memories of them, so thanks for this!

I'm from Heckmondwike originally amount of pubs lost in my time is amazing,my mam told me amount there were when she was young.

When I left school in 1978 I went for a job at Marstons head office in Burton on Trent. It was for a 'designer' to refurbish a lot of their properties, I was interviewed by some of the senior board - they admitted they were worried about the future of their pubs - how right they were, even back then.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

That’s really interesting cheer Dave 👍

@misscoutts6193

Жыл бұрын

Refurbishing has ruined many old pubs, they take out all the character I call it looting. Then they wonder why people stop going.

I was born in the Calder valley and lived there until the late Nineties, before moving to Australia. I drank in every one of the pubs you featured, as a young fella. The white horse was a bikers pub, we used to pull up outside on a Thursday night, you could hardly get to the bar it was so busy, always had live music. The Coach and horses was a bit more sedate, but really nicely appointed, like a big lounge room. I used to bump into my Uncle in there, I always remember seeing his tankard hanging above the bar, even after he passed away. It's a sad reality that things change with time, rarely for the better.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Hey cheers for this. I was really hoping people would get in touch who had been in all of these pubs so I appreciate the comment and the memories with it 👍👍👍

@nigelwatson2750

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip The Cemetery and the Flying Horse are still good old school pubs in Rochdale.

@jamesbrierley5693

Жыл бұрын

I too have been in Al the pubs you featured...part of the reason they are empty still is planning was refused for residential conversion, and they aren't much use for anything else.

Born in 80s i was lucky to go to so many pubs and go on pub crawls and have so many good times. Had 6 pubs within ten minutes walk to go to they have all gone now plus many more that i use to go to its such a shame.

It's a crying shame what's happened to the pubs, night/evening life in general, and socialization in the UK over the last couple of decades. Going back to 2000 there were over 20 pubs where I live, now there's one (attached to a hotel and with all the atmosphere of a train station platform) so I have to travel further to have a beer now, not that it's affordable too often these days either. Great video!

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Haha atmosphere of a train station platform killed me 😂 spot on

The smoking ban in pubs back in 2007 killed the pub industry as well. But they are so expensive as you say now.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think I underestimated just how much of an affect that had. Cheers pal

This almost brings tears to my eyes, left my hometown of Dewsbury almost 40yrs ago for Australia. Returned for my first visit 15 yrs later. What a shock,looking for my first pint in a old haunt The Market House pub. Gone,now a solicitor office. Same with so many other pubs that are no longer around, all rotting away or pulled down,never to return.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Ah yeah Dewsbury is not far from me at all. What’s the equivalent of a pub in Australia?

@sloanelouch393

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip a pub

@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24

Жыл бұрын

I'm from Batley. You probably remember the Batley variety club. Lasted until 2017. A gym now. The once famous golden mile in Bradford road now not a single pub remains. It's sad. I get very nostalgic when I drive through that area. Many Great times from my youth. Only memories remain

@kevinhorne429

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip Not quite the same as a English pub, probably not as social with completely different layout. Bigger open bars and big sports bars, the Aussies love their horse racing and lotteries. One good thing these days is their selections of beers and pale ales which is my choice of tipple. In the 80s each state had only 2 or 3 choices all lager,very cold and quite tasteless. Thankfully all that’s changed. I see that Fosters is a big force in the UK, it’s not sold here ( I’ve never seen it on sale anywhere ), and definitely not made here.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Interesting to hear. Fosters is awful, never touch the stuff 😂😂

Im in Wales and since living in our little village, 3 pubs have gone since 2020. Pubs are closing so fast. Gone are the days when you had to push your way through the crowds to the bar. :(

I’m Gen X loved the pub back in 1993 onwards remember when they had £1.00 a pint..when they banned smoking in pubs I hated it! Seemed empty and didn’t smell like a pub anymore plus no chance freezing outside it really destroyed the pub!! I’m an ex smoker and love to go back to a proper smoking pub with good rock music bands pool table and jukebox!! With big screens playing music videos!! Now pubs seem soulless! But we did rescue our very old local pub😊🍻

I used to work in the pub industry in the early 2000s in my home town of Chesterfield, Derbyshire. At that time the town had a pub on nearly every street to suit every taste the prices were lower the night scene was good. What killed the pub is the high rents set by pubcos who make the tenants buy there stock from them at a marked up price also if the tenants make a profit the pubco puts up the rent. The buildings to the pubcos are just asserts to sell off when no wants to run them any more. In Chesterfield we have one of the countries oldest pubs the Royal Oak owned by Enterprise Inns it closed in 2021 been on market since just recently the prices was dropped by £60,000 to £235,000 and still no interest I doubt it will reopen again. Government tax along with outrageous rents have killed the Great British pub.

If you think, regardless of location in Britain in a space within 20 years, how many shops pubs and clubs are no longer in towns and cities.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you are right, it’s not just pubs

@kashd4668

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! I miss Woolworths!

@wobblybobengland

Жыл бұрын

Country has been stripped bare by bankers.

Pubs were the heart of the community, its such a shame.

I really enjoy your captivating videos, local history lessons and you make a great presenter.

Somebody told me a long time ago, and it's true, that if you ever want to get away with something you shouldn't be doing, put on a high vis jacket or vest, then crack on with whatever it is you want to do. Nobody pays any attention to the person in a high vis.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

It really works 😂

Loved this video! I am a "pub ticker" from the West Midlands and have now been to 5,833 different pubs in the UK. Not been to your part of the country at all, you give me ideas to explore it. Sad when a pub closes, but even sadder when the building is just left to fall down. Very good point on Stonegate, there is a popular misconception that Wetherspoons are this one HUGE pub group but no, they just brand consistently, there are several far bigger groups including Greene King and M&B who fool us with multiple different brands. A possible favourite is Hops D'Amour in Coventry, a micropub owned and run by a husband and wife.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Wow thats an amazing amount of pubs. Good on ya! You should definitely head up this way at some point, the fox and goose is amazing and the blue pig is another brilliant one. Thanks for the pub as well, I’m writing them all down and going to do my best to tick them all off. I might end up a pub ticker myself

@James-gf9jl

Жыл бұрын

You're pissed.

@mattridgley9095

Жыл бұрын

I've been to the same pub 5,833 times

@haveanotherpinacolada

11 ай бұрын

Mate get to Saltaire as well if you're in west yorkshire it's not far from Hebden on the train. Plenty of good pubs around here still going.

I live in Heywood, there's loads of closed pubs. My godparents used to run The Woodpecker in Todmorden in the 1970s some of my earliest memories and photographs are from there. 🌼

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

I’ll have to check out Heywood. Ahh I know the woodpecker, I’ve actually not been in since COVID but just before they used to serve a cheap pint before 6pm which was good 👍

Love this. My area of South Wales valleys is exactly the same. So many old pubs that have gone or are very close to ruin. Such a shame!

I've just had a look at the planning applications on Calderdale council's website. The White Horse seems to be turning into a retail unit with two flats above it.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Oh real? Interesting thanks for this

Absolutley amazing yet again. I love how you present these videos and the enthusiasm you have. As for the hi-viz, superb idea and one I think I'm going to have to try myself 👍

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this! And yeah it works a treat everytime 😂

I go past the Grove Inn all the time. Always been intrigued as to what it's like inside. Loved seeing that!

Such strong atmosphere in these places.. Love the spaciousness and peacefulness.

Thanks, the smoking ban killed most, personally not set foot in a pub since smoking ban even though I no longer smoke, couple of my friend landlords went out of business as direct result of smoking ban & I heard of many more. Constantly increasing tax means its unaffordable for young people who mostly shun alcohol anyway. To make things worse its obviously far cheaper, like half the price, to buy booze at the supermarket. A whole bunch more are about to close with the energy crisis. Keep at it, very interesting vids.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think I was too young to properly notice the effects of the smoking ban. And your right, the younger generation coming through totally less interested in drinking in that way at a pub. Cheers for this

@maratonlegendelenemirei3352

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingturnip I don't own a phone (mobile) but I am guessing that one of the reasons the younger generation didn't take to the traditional drinking in the pub is because they're hooked on their phones?

@paulkojat1526

Жыл бұрын

Covid lockdowns also spelled the end of many great pubs

@John_Wood_

Жыл бұрын

I've not set foot back in my local since they demanded a vax pass from me last year. It went to reduced hours and drove past it Saturday and the shutters were down. They also went to over £5 a pint and lost the regulars.

@jasonclarke7422

Жыл бұрын

I also stopped using pub’s after the smoking ban, I no longer smoke but there was nothing better at the time than a few pints and smoking some ciggys with your mates.

40 years ago, I opened and ran the Barge & Barrel in Elland. It closed in December last year, and has been sold to a property developer. There are a large number of pubs which have now gone in Elland. You could take a look at these in a future video. Very sad to see.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Oh thanks for this I’ll definitely come over to Elland and take a look.

@philelliott5327

Жыл бұрын

Sad to hear the Barge closed. Great little pub, I called in a few years ago when I brought my narrow boat on the Calder and Hebble.

Love it! Just found your channel by chance. Great hearing about all the history of all these once great pubs.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Hey cheers for this I appreciate it

Great video and super poem to end with which I've found is attached in a link you included. Cheers.

Great channel and great content, remember my parents went out to meet friends in a pub every Saturday night, they were always dressed in best dress ie suit and tie and nice dress etc but in those days the internet wasn’t available and you had to go for a catch up or else you would very rarely speak to your friends 👌👍

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend! Those days sound great, it all seems a little too easy now.

Fantastic film Davey - me your dad and Pete and Phil used to meet every Friday in the pub on Keighley Road and after hours lock in the barman used to bring the drinks to us on a tray as we became his guests! Long gone as a pub but lovely memories of your dad saying "the thing is Pete...!"

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Cheers for this 👍 Dads round at the moment telling me some more stories about those days

Ahhhh my childhood involved Sunday walks there with all my family. Lovely place.

Just recently subscribed to your wonderful channel - a really interesting video! Love all the history and the extra information that you give. Looking forward to your next one, wherever it may be! Many thanks and keep up the great work!

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Hey thank you for this I appreciate it! 😀

Went to a village pub today, which is on a Sunday at 1 pm. We left at 1:30 leaving the pub completely empty. This is the last pub of a once 7 pub village.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Wow yeah I know the feeling. I was working in a pub not a while back. Often I would serve last customer at 8pm, and have to stay open till 12.30 without a soul coming in. And this was the weekend

In the 90s there were so many Independently run pubs , the emergence of wetherspoons finished them off ( not knocking spoons at the moment this January they are doing £1 drinks and a sausage,egg bacon muffin with a coffee for £1.99 )

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah init I blame spoons but I still go. One of the only places I can actually afford to drink

I've been fascinated by your videos here in New Jersey in the USA. Please keep up the good work. I must say that you are pretty daring gong into those abandoned structures. Be careful.

This is my favourite video of yours it would be great to see another one of theese videos 😊

Superb, really enjoyed your presentation. The poem at the end was a great idea, well done. I started to go to pubs in west London in the late 80’s - stank of smoke, often so smoky you couldn’t see your friend across the room. I wouldn’t go into a pub by myself as a young woman, but in a group of girls or a mixed friendly crowd. I would go to many different pubs, some that might call themselves a wine bar but were really just a pub with a glass tables. My favourite pubs were country pubs - a group of us would drive out of town and find little old places that served good food. These days - I rarely go into a pub at all…. Glad I found your interesting channel.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for this. I love hearing people stories about it. I lived in west London for a bit, there were some great pubs in Chiswick and down by strand on the green. Thanks again 😃

@grayhalf1854

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the cigarette smoke was rank. If you spend time in a pub that still has upholstered seating from those times you can get a whiff of it even now 😐

Great video. Such a shame these community centres are gone

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it really is

As always amazing content and well put together such interesting viewing keep them coming spot on descriptions and well researched fella

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend i appreciate it a lot 👍

Love this. You make it so interesting and engaging.

Just down the road in burnley where you visited recently there are quite a few pubs that are boarded up. Its really sad to see

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

I’ll have to go take a look

Wetherspoon’s are also fantastic preservers of old buildings. They keep as many of the original features as possible while taking care of them. The one in Glasgow (the counting house) looks great and the one where i am. There is one in Colchester that is an old theatre with mannequins in the seats above the bar. When communities left an area, the pub would naturally close. Where i live, the pubs are still thriving but i don’t drink and don’t like trouble and noise so i don’t go into them unless it is Wetherspoons for food sometimes or an old village pub that has a dining area.

Credit to you for this, significant reflection. Accurate & valued. Regards from Western Scotland.

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this I appreciate it 👍👍

Hey, love your videos mate. Some of the pubs look like they were great places. It's a terrible shame!

@wanderingturnip

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Robert! I appreciate it. I know, I was tempted to a take a beer with me to that one I could go inside just to say I’ve had a drink in there 😂 I’ve had a load of people who used to drink in someone of them get in touch with memories which has been nice