"Witnesses identified the wrong man" gives you a lot of faith in the process. doesn't it.

@SCHRUBBE1966

5 жыл бұрын

Except he was still a camp guard. We don't need those ilk in America.

@rapier1954

5 жыл бұрын

@@SCHRUBBE1966 How do you know they got it right the second time around. The process is completely flawed. After decades people have been shown to not reliably identify matters.

@dr.humoris.causa.dafaelgei8519

5 жыл бұрын

@Sparta Constantine never even ignore a criminal idiot like you

@michelleo3704

5 жыл бұрын

@Sparta Constantine pig

@dr.humoris.causa.dafaelgei8519

5 жыл бұрын

@Conrad Gibbles Maybe in your country or in your sick fantasies, but for sure not in Israel. Ask Mr Eichman if you meez him in your next life :)

One remarkable event during the trial in Israel, involved a star witness for the prosecution, Eliyahu Rosenberg. Asked by the prosecution if he recognized Demjanjuk, Rosenberg asked Demjanjuk to remove his glasses "so I can see his eyes." Rosenberg approached and peered closely at Demjanjuk's face. When Demjanjuk smiled and offered his hand, Rosenberg recoiled and shouted "Grozny!" meaning "Terrible" in Polish and Russian. "Ivan," Rosenberg said. "I say it unhesitatingly, without the slightest shadow of a doubt. It is Ivan from Treblinka, from the gas chambers, the man I am looking at now." "I saw his eyes, I saw those murderous eyes," Rosenberg told the court, glaring at Demjanjuk. Rosenberg then exclaimed directly to Demjanjuk: "How dare you put out your hand, murderer that you are!"[17] It was later revealed-to the great embarrassment of the prosecution-that Eliyahu Rosenberg had previously testified in a 1947 deposition that “Ivan the Terrible” had been killed during a prisoner uprising.[18]

@killer-_-konduct3916

3 жыл бұрын

I've literally just seem that part in a documentary which brought me here...that was powerful viewing

@paskanaamiott

3 жыл бұрын

I think the prisoners was helping nazis too. Thats why they have so much guilt on their shoulders, that they want to blame others. How else would they survive from death camps?

@kukenkarlsson3607

3 жыл бұрын

@@paskanaamiott No doubt. Most camps ran themselves with all the kapos. SS didn't have to show up for weeks.

@stevenpringle1670

3 жыл бұрын

@@paskanaamiott good point. Some survivors may have been involved in some way. They were kept alive due to some function they performed.

@shane8037

3 жыл бұрын

🤔🤔🤔

"God will punish him!" - He lived to 90, a normal healthy life.

@jacco1006

3 жыл бұрын

afterlife

@MrUnderdog561

3 жыл бұрын

You skipped over all the medical issues his son listed he have and the enternity of suffering waiting for him

@chozer1

2 жыл бұрын

@Rosa Lia so what happens if you kill, repent, then kill again and repent again ect.

@jaxplayer1241

2 жыл бұрын

not normal or healthy LMAO. he had lots of medical issues and had to deal with a lot of stuff. but yes, he did reach 90.

@thebananaman5632

Жыл бұрын

@@jacco1006 unfortunately the afterlife is a made up concept

"Accused" and guilty are not the same thing.

@milabenmimon8547

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Arizona they had significant evidence you arse. 🙄 America is now the Nazi Germany of the Modern world because of morons like you!

@stevearizona521

4 жыл бұрын

@@milabenmimon8547 The Israeli Supreme Court concluded that you are full of shit and acquitted him. You don't know what Nazism is, arsehole.

@eiresaoirse3258

4 жыл бұрын

Well said Steve...

@tayandfriends4095

4 жыл бұрын

@@milabenmimon8547 fuck you this place has become a communist hell hole america is the new nazis you are a joke

@CarbonGlassMan

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevearizona521 And the german court determined he was a death camp guard that tortured and murdered 29,000 Jews.

How can a trial last 7 years? And it was the wrong guy?

@ID-8491

3 жыл бұрын

@Phil 502 So is it predetermined or not??

@jrsun

3 жыл бұрын

trails last a long time, you just don't know

@LaVaZ000

3 жыл бұрын

@Alex Kroeger Like men.

@83_cresstine

3 жыл бұрын

@Alex Kroeger more like guilty until proven innocent

@Barbara-ld4ug

3 жыл бұрын

@@83_cresstine he was guilty he was not in treblinka he was in another camp murdering innocents

My grandfather a WWII Marine and Vet. told us that this person worked in the same auto plant and talked to no one in the 1970's. In the lunch room Demjanjuk sat far in the corner by himself and was always alone and silent.

@user-bo8nb2mi

3 жыл бұрын

@@asherdog9248 that john means ivan with tattoo under arm and mother's maiden name marchenko and parish members who knew but kept silent is guilty

@keithad6485

2 ай бұрын

that does not make in guilty of the charges,

The government wasted this poor man’s 7 years. HE WASN’T EVEN THE GUY

@imdivinefr

3 жыл бұрын

@Транс Аэро ? I'm not drunk

@kngkzg3770

3 жыл бұрын

The "poor" man was a guard of trawniki in the Death Camp Sobibor.

@mumberto3557

3 жыл бұрын

@@kngkzg3770 I would rather guard a concentration camp then getting sent to the eastern front these guys probably didn't have a choice

@kngkzg3770

3 жыл бұрын

@@mumberto3557 believe me i'm german I was dealing much with this theme and it's a fact that the SS and the Trawniki were volunteers. They havent been forced.

@mumberto3557

3 жыл бұрын

@@kngkzg3770 oh yeah thanks for the correction I forgot about the ss psychos

Putting this man on trial falls into the difficult to comprehend category of something that is at the same time necessary and unconscionable.

@l04d83

3 жыл бұрын

At this point, we should just leave this in the past, most of these trials are not about justice, they seem more like revenge then fairness.

@Chuked

Жыл бұрын

@@l04d83it is about justice

@l04d83

Жыл бұрын

@@Chuked Justice for who exactly?

Except for officers that they saw every day, I have great doubt that they can identify a singular guard which they only saw from a distance after like 60 years.

@achord9204

3 жыл бұрын

When someone beats you shoots your friends and family you ne er forget

@DJTasawennatekensMusicWorld

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter how long ago you were abused by somebody you'll always remember that person's face because you always look at that person's face and keep their face in your memory because one day everyone who is being beat and abused and stuff having their mind that they're going to get the person back I know this because I was abused all my life and for a long time I had in my head that I wanted to go find my adopted parents and beat the crap out of them when I got older after they beat me abused me sexually assaulted me used me as a slave and then threw me on the streets of New York City and went back to live in Pennsylvania but I never did anything like that because I'm not like that but I've had the thoughts of that everybody does who gets abused and they have the ability to remember faces very thoroughly

@runlarryrun77

Жыл бұрын

You presume to know a great deal about daily life in the camps. Guards were seen up close & personal. Officers etc would have been at a distance, outside the fences, rarely if ever seen at the business end of the killing. Guards weren't up in towers or on the other side of the fences you absolute waste of molecules. They were the ones who did the dirty work.

@keithad6485

2 ай бұрын

I have similar doubts. Common law Courts recognise that memory is a tricky thing. Memory is not like computer file with bytes. It can evolve and change over time.

They feel pity for these merciless killers but what about those people who starved, beaten, cremated to death??! Let them have a taste of their own doings!

@DaveV173

4 жыл бұрын

Two wrongs don't make a right !!

@Dreyz-pg2zz

4 жыл бұрын

@Amanush Azad if wanted to leave he would most likely face punishment or death

@munnjean

4 жыл бұрын

And of course it really doesn't matter if it's the right guy or not ,, someone has to pay ,, fuck off you ignorant asshole !!

@notforyou152

4 жыл бұрын

lyn Lynn I don’t feel anything but anger. I’d hang him for yous if you need a hangman. But I need to know 110% it was him. And I’m not Jewish.

@geezerp1982

4 жыл бұрын

@@DaveV173 piss off liberal

I swear every time I read or learn about the atrocities it just boggles my mind even more that people thought that what they were doing was ok.

@yellowlab5624

3 жыл бұрын

It’s still happening! The elite getting away with anything!

@stevenpringle1670

3 жыл бұрын

They could have been in fear of speaking out. Their lives may have been jeopardy to do so. Go along to get along.

@Ahmed-vw3iw

2 жыл бұрын

Jews have been mistreated and pogroms committed on them for centuries..infact most of it was under Christian world. Under muslim empires they generally lived freely due to them being people of the book

@rorschacht8478

Жыл бұрын

95% of them didn't think it was ok. And you'd be a Nazi too.

@32123ABCBA

Жыл бұрын

He was 18 at the end of the war so the propaganda started when he was about 8.

It amazes me how any human can do this to another human being The sad part is that anybody is capable of this If you look at peoples behaviour today you see signs of this

@a.f.7246

Жыл бұрын

I would suggest that u not be so self righteous. This govt. Will be persecuting Christians someday

@keithad6485

2 ай бұрын

Does this include yourself? This is a sincere question.

A lot of guards never paid the price for their brutality. Not sure how brutal this guy was but if he was a guard he is complicit

@robert-pj3bc

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think he had much choice, but I agree way TOO MANY Nazis, SS, guards got away with such atrocities.

@OsamaBinLooney

2 жыл бұрын

by some logic, EVERY German soldier was complicit should we have prosecuted EVERY single member of the German army?

@rorschacht8478

Жыл бұрын

You would also have been a Nazi, Mr virtue signal.

@yourbrotherfromanothermother21

Жыл бұрын

Would you follow orders if it depended on your (family‘s) life? If you responded with yes, then you are a perfect example of a god damn hypocrite.

@DJTasawennatekensMusicWorld

Жыл бұрын

You don't think he had much choice every person who joined the Nazi party had a choice whether the life was in danger or not for not accepting being in it that was their choice to join they could have chosen not to and if their life was taken then so be it they would die a hero but lots of them did not choose this they chose to take part and murder because they were born evil

this is quite humorous. damn you got him...after he lived his life lol.

@bachokiro2866

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah XD

@bachokiro2866

3 жыл бұрын

"You won't catch me alive."

@brotherhoodz97

3 жыл бұрын

@@bachokiro2866 hope it was worth the money spent to rob a man already out of the door.

@bachokiro2866

3 жыл бұрын

@@brotherhoodz97 xd

@achord9204

3 жыл бұрын

If it was your family that was murdered, would it be so humorous. I think it’s quite sad and hurtful

Watch what you do when your young especially evil things because it'll come and bite yoy when your old

@itt1524

4 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure it wasn't him. Memories aren't stable, they rearrange every few seconds in our brains. Some memories are altered either by our imagination or other memories. The witnesses probably recognise certain features of his face to that of the real Ivan that their memory altered the real Ivan the terribles eye colour from brown to blue, especially when under pressure and anger. That's why witness testimonies are not reliable in today's courts.

@lindabowman2139

4 жыл бұрын

bigboyrichie Two IVAN the Terribles, one at Teblinka, another at Sobibor. Ivan a common Ukraine Ian name.....son admitted his father was a guard there....

@habitudo

4 жыл бұрын

@@lindabowman2139 that's your imagination

@staffhfdvv6064

4 жыл бұрын

You realize he had to serve. and where they assigned him, as camp guard he could not control.

@andresweinman9995

3 жыл бұрын

Ii

It actually turned out not to be him.

@eiresaoirse3258

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah and he never got one apology from his accusers

@grahamb5930

4 жыл бұрын

@@eiresaoirse3258 Courts don't issue apologies that often. People get found not guilty every day and they don't get apologies.

@grahamb5930

4 жыл бұрын

@Pauline Gregory Depends, after all people cleared here cannot sue for wrongful arrest or the Police would never be out of the courts. As long as the CPS say there is a realistic prospect of conviction - over 50% - then the prosecution is legitimate even if someone is found not guilty. I can't see the Israeli powers being too open to allowing someone to sue them.

@Belbivdevoe

4 жыл бұрын

It was him.. he never denied being at Sobibor

@grahamb5930

4 жыл бұрын

@Pauline Gregory Well he can only sue in Israel if it is against Israeli law. Just think, in some American states you can be jailed for decades and then released after the conviction is declared unsafe and you have no right to sue for a single penny. . Everyone who is arrested and help on bail has been deprived of their liberty and they have no right to any compensation in this country, do they? Just think, people are often held on bail, lose their job and home, are found not guilty in court and then released. Want to take a guess at how much they are entitled to for being deprived of their liberty? Zero, nothing, not a penny. Just as an aside, do you think that everyone that is arrested, charged, prosecuted and is found not guilty has had the case against them falsified? I would suggest that as this guy was found not guilty in a court of law then due process has been followed unless, you think that they go to all this bother just to let him go?

For a second I thought it's from onion

if the man is not guilty... released. Period.... We don't forget. someone living pleasure.

There is no punishment they can fit his crimes. They only punishment can be in his mind. Those bed scenes are absurd.

They found out that he is not Ivan the Terrible, because Ivan the Terrible died 1584.

It wasn’t the wrong guy. He was a concentration camp guard they placed him at the wrong camp. They are very careful. He was as guilty as sin. He smiles as they lead him away. In trial you can see his smirk

@jojojojo4332

10 ай бұрын

He was to be jailed in Germany as Ivan because his papers proved it but died in the process so its no longer valid then by german law

some people say that some of the survivors of treblinka made a mistake and that demjanjuk was never there, but only in sobibor. why couldn't he have been in both? because of his exceptional cruelty at sobibor, why couldn't his german masters 'loan' him to treblinka every now and then? the survivors of treblinka who swore that they saw him there, had no idea that he also may have been in sobibor.

@runlarryrun77

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure a lot of cruel people in the camp system picked up the name "Ivan the Terrible" too. Either way this POS was involved up to his neck.

1987- John Demjanuk, 89 year old Nazi war criminal was charged for war crimes during 1933-1945. He was a guard at Sorbibor. He lived safely in America for 30 years and he was recognition and was to be deported to Germany to stand trial.

They didn't actually present any evidence, just more accusations

@sheila6479

4 жыл бұрын

Shane Owen there were many eye witnesses

@tahiriqbal9264

4 жыл бұрын

Sheila yeah one of eye witness said he went to Florida by train. And another even forgot his son’s name who died there in camp.

@shaneowen4177

4 жыл бұрын

@@sheila6479 links to actual actual statements under oath?

@denang501

4 жыл бұрын

Tahir Iqbal Eye witnesses aren’t reliable. Oh, and he forgets his sons name? Yeah right. I doubt his so called son even existed.

@wmeemw994

3 жыл бұрын

German government has excellent records on some cases but memories of victims deteriorate with passage of time. But being a guard at a death camp is an accomplice if not actual the actual executioner. He is dead now anyway, so may his soul and those of his Sobibor inmates all rest in God’s ultimate judgement - heaven or hell.

60 years later: that's a fast walker (irony)

If there is anything to say about the defense lawyer he has been honest he admitted to enjoying turmoil, he feeds off this kind of thing, I believe he is more honest than his client.

Isn't that Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros at :50 seconds helping out Ivan?

Oyyy veyyyyy

I agree, it doesn’t matter how old a war criminal is! He needed to be tried and convicted for his past deeds! If he suffers thru this process then so be it!!!!

I hear you! many have given up hope on those being punished for injustice. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, seems hard for people.

@BonmarioInc

Жыл бұрын

if your sending 90 year old men to jail, your no better than the nazis

yes the accused we're now old, seems inhumane to get punished today that somebody might say. but let's turn back the clock and what these alleged criminals did to those innocent young, children/infants, women and the OLD. just ask and listen with the survivors of these horrors how they felt. i can't even imagine,,,, if they can't forgive, i respect and understand.

@DakotaofRaptors

3 жыл бұрын

That's how lot of WW2 veterans felt against the Japanese. Look up Japanese war crimes.

No...he was found guilty but released on appeal by the defense attorney saying they found new evidence not seen at the trial. This supposed evidence (found in Russia) was never verified. Both prosecuting and defense attorneys wrote books about the trial.

@rapier1954

Жыл бұрын

He died before the final verdict

Interesting that they couldn't convict Domyanic or whatever his name was - it's very hard to prove so long after the fact, which explains why so many got away with it. Actually, even immediately after the crime it would have been impossible in most cases, as all the witnesses were murdered. It really sucks big time that these creeps got away with it.

@achord9204

3 жыл бұрын

So many got away because Adenauer had a government that honored Nazis. Judges in the 40s were Nazis who in the 50s judged Germany’s Nazis. Also the Vatican helped plenty

@adismell

2 жыл бұрын

@@achord9204 Yes, you're right. Thanks for that.

@DJTasawennatekensMusicWorld

Жыл бұрын

He eventually did get convicted and hung

@marksevel7696

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's a second holocaust that they got away with it

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Is Arnold Swartzeneggar the Narrator? 😂😂

Who's Joseph Czarny? 1:26

@marmak256

5 жыл бұрын

Death camp survivor

I wish he had a slower passing..

@ST-ik2vw

3 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't @ all cause its not even the right man. Clearly don't look into shit hey

They made a documentary about this in netflix 'the killer/monster next door' I think , cant remember the name very well, great documentary though

@achord9204

3 жыл бұрын

The music box - Jessica Lang

@aspiknf

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was a very good documentary

What's the name of this documentary?

god will be the judge the end.

@chickenman6308

4 жыл бұрын

👍

@ricdwe

4 жыл бұрын

Nope. God is sitting this one out.

@thecreepnextdoor7560

4 жыл бұрын

Just because god may judge him doesn't mean we shouldn't punish him for what he's done

@matteosalvini5726

4 жыл бұрын

Carl Zapotny ya just like he judged the Jews who killed Jesus

@glendaperkins9231

4 жыл бұрын

@@thecreepnextdoor7560 ofcourse , but think about all those that know they are killers and have gotten away with it under our eyes, so many and most of or all of the witnesses are dead so when it comes down to that and no evidence you are forced to let it go, because the people are dead they are not hurting anymore and if you don't want to be hurting it's time to give it up. I will always feel sorrow for those who have been murdered and no justice but we have to believe in the end justice prevails .

Was is in Sobibor or Treblinka?

@The_last_prime

3 жыл бұрын

it was in treblinka and sobibor was the name of the camp

I’m watching the Netflix series I’m not done yet but as his former supervisor said... a sociopath could live among you and you wouldn’t know until he’s eating you. Maybe he didn’t do it but my thing is if you were a victim of that type of trauma, do you really think you’d forget a face🤔

@trmk7

3 жыл бұрын

Watch God on Trial

@lucavandecasteele8206

3 жыл бұрын

WhIch Netflix series are you watching? About WW2?

@PhoenixGameMovies

3 жыл бұрын

It has only been 10 years and I have forgotten the face of my abuser. A person I had to see every day for years. When I saw that person about 8 years later I had trouble identifying them. They wanted him to be Ivan so that he could be punished and the more they saw him the more they started to use his face when thinking about Ivan. He probably looked like Ivan but that does not mean that this is him.

@2wayslasher711

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhoenixGameMovies well u got stupid memory

@huntermoody2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@2wayslasher711 actually memory is a funny thing look up some memory studies done

As I understand it the real Ivan the Terrible, Ivan Marchenko, got away and was last seen in Yugoslavia in 1944 after he had joined partisans there. Also, the Office of Special Investigations and the U.S. Department of Justice withheld evidence that would later prove John Demjanjuk was not the infamous Marchenko.

Crime has no time limit, justice shouldn’t as well.

the devil cries!

Leave the old man alone even if he goes on trial or sent to jail he won't last a day it doesn't look like he's even aware of himself no more.

John looked too jovial during many of the filmed proceedings. In other instances, he looked quite cocky & full of himself. Doesn't prove guilt, yet nor does it bode well during a war crimes court adjudication.

@olgagurrola3152

3 жыл бұрын

Why the smile on his face?

@fobbitoperator3620

3 жыл бұрын

@@olgagurrola3152 Perhaps he's just a weirdo...

@CrackedSociety

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps he was trying too hard to look innocent

@rapier1954

Жыл бұрын

I hope you never get called for jury duty if this is the cock and bull way you view these matters.

@fobbitoperator3620

Жыл бұрын

@@rapier1954 I read people's body language & mannerisms. If you don't, then you're 50% blind to the world...

The title of this video is incorrect. Those were German crimes, not Nazi crimes, since the whole nation was involved, not just Nazi regime officials.

@georgemasterman6976

4 жыл бұрын

idiot

@chickenman6308

4 жыл бұрын

George Masterman good job mate, how long did it take you to think of that one? One hour? Maybe two? Or maybe a day, considering you couldn’t figure out this head scratcher.

@peterpadling8276

4 жыл бұрын

Not one German leader ever apologized to this evil which they committed the entire nation is responsible, and God's judgment in now at the doors of every single house in Germany, what ever you did decades back will the same way return to you and it has already started, you will never be forgiven.

@georgemasterman6976

4 жыл бұрын

@@peterpadling8276 worry about your own judgement day Peter, you might be paddling your own way to heaven yet dude. Plus don't forget there are Christians in Germany as well. Do you damn them too? Be very careful what you wish for. We are all sinners.

@hanlan4763

3 жыл бұрын

Omg all children, babies, old woman, old men ??? Those justice seekers are idiotic

the guilty need to pay period!

@georgemasterman6976

4 жыл бұрын

that is the zionists

@grahamb5930

4 жыл бұрын

@@christophercook723 Shouldn't "Do you mean full stop ignorant Yankee" have a question mark at the end? My grammar is far from perfect but, correcting the grammar of another contributor is always a risk. Please feel free to point out any errors I have made, I'll take them as a valuable learning experience.

@grahamb5930

4 жыл бұрын

@@christophercook723 Or it can be a simple error. I'm puzzled that you say you cannot control the self correct function. You are correct, females have period but, that is not the only use of the word, is it? Unless you think I have 2 full stops of PE when I was at school? Maybe you think that the Jurassic full stop existed? Words can be used, correctly, in various ways. To Yanks, they are periods and as it is their language to use as American English then you correcting them makes you look a bit of a fool.

@grahamb5930

4 жыл бұрын

@@christophercook723 Doesn't matter, it's their use of language. You might not like it but, it is correct. At least the poster has managed to work out how to use the backspace button to correct their mistakes..........Blaming the computer, oh my.

@grahamb5930

4 жыл бұрын

@@christophercook723 You can still correct the self correct function. It's no different from typing.

Now he still has a family and others inocents never will have theirs back.

@jeffangel1984

4 жыл бұрын

aaawwww poor people killer had a family. pathetic.

@theknowall2232

4 жыл бұрын

For perspective, search for this documentary made by a )ew, *archive+TheTruthBehindTheGatesOfAuschwitzByDavidCole*

@jeffangel1984

4 жыл бұрын

Theknow All yeah yeah. We know you hate jews. Grow up already.

@theknowall2232

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeffangel1984 The recommended video is made by an honest )ew, do you hate honest )ews? Grow up.

@theknowall2232

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeffangel1984 For perspective, view the video, *Jewish Man Exposes Israel's Lies* (oCKWDarNdGw)

He is to young but maybe his father , 1939,he was only 9 years old . In 1945 ,only 15 years old

Are you having a hard time? In pain? Well all I can say is, good times man, and muahahahahaha!

so he aided the enemy on top of it.

Where justice has failed the victims, they can at least know that former guard is dying by inches. Slowly and very painful, inch by inch. And may he scream in agony every inch of the way.

@andreaschroeder2913

2 жыл бұрын

He’s vile!

@WolfSkull1911

Жыл бұрын

People like you are worse than the fucking nazis you don't even realize your behavior just like them not every nazis had a choice to do what they did.

No audio at all

Talk about double jeopardy! Tried him once as a famous Nazi, which he wasn’t, and now trying him again as another Nazi guard at a completely different camp.

No matter how old he was, he must not die unpunished.

@figurativeride2258

3 жыл бұрын

What is wrong with you dude

@pinakisingh206

3 жыл бұрын

@@figurativeride2258 If I ask the same...?

@pinakisingh206

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks...

@Lolyouremad69

3 жыл бұрын

@@figurativeride2258 what is wrong with you? Just because he’s old doesn’t mean he wasn’t evil. Dumbass. They deserve to be punished

Being held accountable for such vile atrocities regardless of age, health, or any other reason is the only way to at least try to prevent such heinous crimes and help with the healing process.

@tonycaribbian

Жыл бұрын

Wish they would do the same about slavery , instead of wanting to forget and sweep under the carpet

@domestictourist97

4 ай бұрын

@@tonycaribbianno one alive today owned slaves dipshit.

why don't they charge the accessory before (or after) the fact too ? a person who incites or assists someone to commit an arrestable offence (or knowingly aids someone who has committed such an offence). they should charge them for aiding this wanted man whos been a murderer

Lmao they showed demajnuk walking from his car a week before all that moaning in pain stunt

Always wonder what the young German's of today think about what their grandparents did...

@paromita10

4 жыл бұрын

Samuel Slagter I do too! I would be mortified and totally disgusted with my family and myself if I ever found that out about my grandparents 😫😩

@harlemboy413

4 жыл бұрын

@@croatianwarmaster7872 well they are now ruining america

its simple ,if he had the ss tatoo which he did, he should be brought to justice.

@boss0800

4 жыл бұрын

The lonely mountain. Nope, all Ivan the great did was doing his job like any other soldiers during the war. Israel have been killing Palestinians, take over their lands and putting them in jail since 1948 and no one want to talk about it.

@raytracer2651

4 жыл бұрын

@@boss0800 my country gives aid to Palestine when it can, this man was a butcher.

@mr.meeseeks2310

4 жыл бұрын

Worrawit Dulyavitya “just following orders” is not a just defense. That is solidified in the UN and WCC.

@ozymandias7592

4 жыл бұрын

@@boss0800 What an idiot lol, by your stupid twisted logic i can say the same for Israel - "They are just following orders" so if Ivan did not do anything so did Israel :) See how complicity stupid your argument is? How can you compare industrialized genocide to the Israel Palastne problem which is a very basic issue compared to WW2 crimes of Japan Stalin and Hitler. Off yourself before your stupid brain hurts someone

@pancernik3001

4 жыл бұрын

@@boss0800 You think that a volunteer death camp guard is more innocent than an idf soldier protecting his people? Especially when Hamas has no interest in deescalation? Plain and simple, what you posted is anti Semitic.

Accusing the wrong person is so wrong. Still looking for people to blame them make sure you have the right person. Get over it.

I'm 55 yrs old, I work with guys in their 30's that haven't a clue about WWII. Pretty amazing really when one of your co-workers doesn't even know about our civil war.

@sonicx254shere3

2 жыл бұрын

wait what do you mean by that

@MrKitty-zv3dl

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonicx254shere3 What I mean is all too many young people haven't a clue about history. A guy I work with doesn't know what our civil war was over, I was amazed. I asked him what he knew about WWII and he was clueless about that as well! This guy didn't even know what country attacked Pearl harbor. The Manhattan project and Operation Paper Clip? The majority of young folks working with me are stumped! I'm saddened by this as history will repeat itself again with the lack of interest in the topic.

@sonicx254shere3

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrKitty-zv3dl Oh damn, thats actually pretty shocking, thanks for elaborating on the comment btw! appreciate it!! In my opinion, i think people just dont seem to care about history as a whole, some of this can be attributed to the fact that the subject is in all fairness not taught very well and involves just mind numbing memorizing and such, i.e: the subject needs to be taught in a different way, not how you teach lets say chemistry for example, it needs to focus on the different aspects and perspectives and stuff like that rather than just learning history so as to pass an exam just to forget it later. I also think that this can be attributed to the fact that, people just find it to be bland and develop a certain kind of distaste for it, most people i know think of history this way: why do we have to learn about something that has already happened, learning about it cant change the past right? But in my opinion, as you mentioned in your comment, this just increases general awareness about mass human behavior, to prevent catastrophes like the 2nd world war from repeating themselves. To conclude, i think you re absolutely right and people need to not only understand history in whatever way(not just as means to pass an arbitrary exam) but also they need to know why they re learning it Because in the end, isnt history just a huge large scale system of sorts, with many small variables(humans) interacting with each other, and each having a different kind of impact on the entire system. In other words, its just like a net total of multiple differently weighted variables(by differently weighted i kinda mean how lets say a ruler or dictator has more power to impact the world than an ordinary infantryman or soldier) and their impact on the world. Thus i find it fascinating, and treat it like recorded data of an organic system of humans, and it really shows how humans are terrible yet great beings at the same time! Super sorry for the essay!!! i dont really know why i typed this much out, and half of it is prolly mumbo jumbo, and you dont need to read all of this, or any of this, idk what came over me, i just did! UwU have a great day and umm p.s: love your profile picture!

@MrKitty-zv3dl

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonicx254shere3 Your interest and passion for history gives me hope. I read, agreed and respect everything you wrote. The profile pic was my favorite pet cat, still miss him dearly. Take care, enjoy the holidays!

@sonicx254shere3

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrKitty-zv3dl Oh wow thank you so much Mr. Kitty and happy holidays to you too! I'm terribly sorry to hear about your cat, may he rest in peace! This is a super honorable way to remember him :DD

Might as well just send him to Georgia or some other place down south, they'll take'em, punishment is unnecessary

@nerevarchthn6860

4 жыл бұрын

Eric Burton he Is dead

It doesn't matter if he's ill. Bring him in for trial on a gurney. He wouldn't be the first!

@thedcg9883

4 жыл бұрын

My god, you're dense aren't you?

@air2091

4 жыл бұрын

The DCG he killed my family so no.

@thedcg9883

3 жыл бұрын

@@air2091 Good for you.

@air2091

3 жыл бұрын

The DCG why is that good for me? My family is ducking dead! You have no right to decide the nazis fate

@thedcg9883

3 жыл бұрын

@@air2091 Nice.

It was a moment of help guard the killer or be killed for a 16 year old? Plus he is also gonna die in a few years also, because of his medical problems

how come none of these nazis seem to apologise or feel guilt? How can none of the thousands of them be human?

@beautifulone5509

3 жыл бұрын

Because they are NOT human.

@rollerbladinggeek5507

3 жыл бұрын

@@beautifulone5509 they are tho

Doesn't matter if you kill one or a thousand when you die you have to answer to God. You don't get away, nobody does.

@afrops3935

5 жыл бұрын

/facepalm What do you know about god?

@jeep146

5 жыл бұрын

@@afrops3935 Know him well, as a matter of fact I talk to him everyday. I see him in everything because he is the Alpha and the Omega. I have sensed danger but never have feared it because he is always with me.

@garethcollocott6310

5 жыл бұрын

@@jeep146 Awesome so where is he? And where the hell as he been?

@garethcollocott6310

5 жыл бұрын

@@jeep146 Now you see I dont believe that? I do not believe in any God that is out there on a throne somewhere or some demon / devil ruling with a purpose. I do agree God exists and that he is everywhere. Look within Jeep, God is closer than one thinks. To me (not your views but mine) , what makes this so absolutely terrible is that they did not understand that they were killing God, sounds contradictory but everyone needs to play their state on this grand cosmic play so unfortunately no they are not going to answer to some God up in the sky keeping a record unfortunately. But regardless I respect your beliefs and there are survivor stories where it was only their beliefs that got some through.

@kentishherber9630

4 жыл бұрын

Well said......karma always catches you......

Sadly Jules died this year.

So what happened?

Unfortunately, at this point i do not believe this guy could be complicit in aiding attorneys with creating and developing a defence and thus would never be able to stand trial. You've missed the boar on that Nazi.

No one is ever too old to be brought to justice. The soul doesn't age. If only God was waiting to judge...but who would bear witness to it. Justice is seen to be done. Time does not exonerate.

@sahil.dahiya

2 жыл бұрын

Aren't you full of sh i t. He was the wrong guy.

@sahil.dahiya

2 жыл бұрын

Those so called survivors need to milk money and fame from all such things and allied forces need to make a bad person whom they defeated so that they can justify there own crimes

@LazyLoonz

2 жыл бұрын

God this God that, breaking news God doesn't really care a lot at all on how you live your life, all he cares is that you do something interesting with it.

@wokeeye6441

2 жыл бұрын

@@sahil.dahiya The fuhrer called YOU to the SS!!! Why did you not join him? Coward.

@klaudiagalos5462

Жыл бұрын

@@sahil.dahiya you have no idea what you’re talking about

The thing is though people aren't convicted on feelings. Was it not the case he wasn't put away in the first trial because they didn't have the evidence? Seems like just lumping all of the - understandable - hate on one person's head, without being in possession of the full facts. It's hard to call that justice even given the subject.

@ugandanknuckles9868

4 жыл бұрын

It seems like the allies don't want people to know about atrocities they themselves commited, and want to paint themselves as freedom fighters, every human being has blood on their hands, also, in the eyes of many, if your a Wehrmacht veteran, you are satan himself, making them suffer as you suffered makes you no better than them.

i ask u 1 simple thing what can do by guard when his officer ask him to do.if he refuse surely wil be shotted down. in that case of common sense what could think of such guard wil be only responsibl.he may hav family he fear of to do work for

About to repeat again

There’s a whole Netflix show docuseries on him called “The Devil Next Door”

@autrimps

3 жыл бұрын

>The Devil Yeah, sounds bias and probably filled with misinformation

@liamsomeone6333

3 жыл бұрын

@@autrimps why would it be biased?

@The_last_prime

3 жыл бұрын

@@liamsomeone6333 it's netflix for god sake it's always biased

@albertchan8798

3 жыл бұрын

@@autrimps But It's really fucking good and doesn't even sound biased to me, seriously you need to check it out 10/10

The numbers keep going down. First it was 330,000 at Sobibor, then 240, now it's 170,000. The Incredible Shrinking Death Toll...

@robert-pj3bc

3 жыл бұрын

What are they going to do? Go thru all the bodies buried and count them? Plus journalists may have been sloppy in their reporting of the figures. Millions of people of all races were scattered all across Europe, from UK to Russia. No trains, no food, no money, no (or very little) government assistance, the highways and tracks were bombed not of use. Only a bicycle was really useful - where to get one?

When you’ve been hated by every society for the whole of your exist, and barred from hundreds of countries, NEVER catching a break, I don’t think your the victim….

He may have been released but come judgment day he has a place reserved for him.

5:26 If they shouted while he was filming and called him a Jew lover why isn’t that on film?

@wouldbabyhitlerkillyou4217

4 жыл бұрын

@Nihar Bendre that is not evidence then

@flaminmongrel6955

3 жыл бұрын

@Nihar Bendre how is that even an evidence then? There is no such thing as claimed evidence there either is one to support a claim or there isn't

At that point there isn’t much reason....all the conviction would do for him is change the scenery in where he lays because he can’t move or do much.

Demyanyuk died (he had been in very poor health even pre trial) shortly post trial. He had been found guilty but my understanding is that he died before sentencing and thus was never actually sentenced so trial never technically 'completed' under German law. I think that his deportation was not really handled well but, do I think he needed to tried for his crimes. Yes!! Definitely!! I go on the basis that no one should be considered exempt from trial for murder and certainly not for the atrocities of which he was accused. The person that did these crimes would be elderly because he managed to escape prosecution as a young man. To ignore trial for such deeds is as horrific as the deeds themselves. Yes, he was elderly. Yes he was incredibly ill. To not be tried (even if not found guilty) would be to ignore a possible justice due to millions of people. That is not persecution. That is the pursuit of justice. If Mr. Demyanyuk's past came as a surprise to his family after his first trial they certainly could not have been by his 2nd.

The ones that issue the orders and others CAPABLE to stop the orders are responsible...a guard ordered to follow a order is to do what? Refuse? You believe it THAT easy to just pick and choose orders they receive? Court martial and either hard labor long time in military prison or possibly even execution for disobeying an order...i mean they were between a rock and a hard place. Damned if you did..damned if you didn't. You can't Blame someone for doing an action which is deemed CORRECT by his countries army at that time! The average German soldier or SS soldier Knew of the Geneva convention..but you also had a military and ENTIRE country ignoring that convention..the environment..social conditioning at that time was overwhelming.

He should stand trial, family can argue he's too old, in lots of pain, has medical conditions. The survivors of the death camps would agree, with me.how many people suffered and were in great pain from the whips, and rifle butts used to beat the prisoners. No he should be extradited to stand trial in Germany before he dies

Having just seen a documentary about this "accused" I can say if it wasn't him...he must have had a nasty twin brother, in the documentary it showed footage of a survivor in court getting to stand feet away from him and Ivan puts his hand out to shake his hand, the mans stare back and shouting to look him in the eye was powerful to watch, real footage of proceedings going in that most read about in papers seems to really hit hard.

@cooperhuxley5821

2 жыл бұрын

It was such a dodgy case. What the Israeli defence lawyer said was true - It seemed during the case people were talking about the horrors of the Holocaust and stirring emotion more than providing evidence that the man on trial was Ivan. It seemed that the nail was in the coffin for this guy as so many people had already decided in their heads that Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible, this is especially true in Israel, where it seemed John had become the outlet for the Holocaust sufferers and Jews in general to vent their pain. The same person who looked into his eyes (Eliyahu Rosenberg) also testified in 1947 that Ivan the Terrible had been killed in a prisoner uprising, so they’re somewhat unreliable.

@huntermoody2000

2 жыл бұрын

Well they were talking about the treblinka in Israel when they should've focused on the hard evidence like sobibor when we had die hard proof he was there in the ID card and US visa

@MTC008

2 жыл бұрын

he looks like mikhail gorbachev

The needed japanese war crimes trials that were this thorough.

@republitarian484

2 жыл бұрын

or Communist war crimes. Seems like no Communists have ever been chased around the globe and tried for war crimes. I wonder why that is.

Does Anybody Know About The "MORGANTHAU PLAN"? A Good Book To Read Is OTHER LOSSES By James Baque..

I hate it when they say “oh look that many jews were killed“, because it was also political enemys(e.g. communists), Sinti and Roma, Homosexuals, sometimes pacifists, people that made fun about the Nazi party, “asoziale“(e.g. gypsis) and lots and lots of soviet prisoners of war, jet nobody seems to remember.

You know he was just following orders. Instead of arresting him why not let him tell his military stories

Well, if it was him, he’s getting justice now, in hell.

When was this made? Because today an 89 year old would have bern 15 at the end of the war.

@mariomichel

4 жыл бұрын

He was born in 1920. Watch the Netflix docu-series. It's fascinating.

Tbh I reckon he was doing what was best for him he was with the Russian soldiers and got caught then offered to be a guard for the Germans probably only did it to survive

He will pay after this life.

@Satt0trinken

3 жыл бұрын

It‘s interesting to me, that so many people beleive so deeply that there is a hell and you will be going there if you did wrong. The reality as I believe is, that there is just nothing after life. You can only pay during life.

@coraldiamond1922

3 жыл бұрын

If god can’t protect children against priests who have committed crimes against them then why should we believe he is real? And why would god allow millions to suffer under the nazis?

@flaminmongrel6955

3 жыл бұрын

Then why don't you just remove prisons then? The god will take care of them right?

well, did Iwan the terrible or his associates take any pity on older ppl ? no they did not, so fair is fair.. actually mr. Demjanjuk is treated in a most fair way, he has helpers, he has medics, he is carryed around if need be ! he will get a fair trial and he will not be tortured ! something he did not grant his many victims..

John Demjanjuk! From Cleveland, Ohio! A Retired Automaker! Because of German ID Card held by Former USSR!

This was a show trial, as is standard procedure for the 'Nazi hunters'. Strange that no one wants to talk about Soviet atrocities against the Jews, which were even more severe. The case against Demjanjuk fell apart, but he was 'judged' guilty nonetheless and ended up dead while in prison for the second time on flimsy evidence.

You ask should a 89 year old man stand trial? Should a 30 something man kill women & men 89?

My question is: what law did he violate? And when was that law promulgated?

I had a close friend. He moved away and we lost contact. 5 years later we arranged to meet at a cafe in London. When he turned up I hardly recognised him, he had aged so much in the last 5 years since I last saw him. So how can Holocaust survivors have recognised guards and staff that worked at the camps almost 70 years later? An impossible task I would say. Sadly, for many of the camp inmates, justice will not be served.

@rapier1954

Жыл бұрын

The trial in Israel proved that such testimony alone is not reliable.