I’m happy that this video was recommended, I don’t even watch basketball but the quality of the video made it super interesting!

@user-bl3si3kq6x

2 жыл бұрын

Same

This year for my high school team we lacked a lot of size (our tallest guy was our 6”2) point guard. We went from scoring around 60 points per game last year to scoring around 75. We went 23-3 but lost in the district finals in 5A ball. 5 out is the future.

@buckstraw925

2 жыл бұрын

I think that would be rather sad if everything was a three. The best solution would be if a nice balance can be found/kept between inside and outside play. 25yrs back it was too heavy on the importance of inside play and today, in my opinion, we've crossed over into too heavy on the outside.

@mattprice302

2 жыл бұрын

@@buckstraw925 I agree to an extent but think about this. How many shorter teams do we have to taller teams? The 5 out era has allowed for even guard teams have a chance to compete

@buckstraw925

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattprice302 Sure there are some positives but overall I think it is a negative. I'm thinking maybe you figure out how to play half the game with a generous three and the rest with no three. Make teams cover both inside and outside with their depth on the bench.

@mattprice302

2 жыл бұрын

@@buckstraw925 scoring wise you’re Going to lose if they have a nice 6’10 who can post up strong and you have a team where 6’1 is your tallest. The 3 is the only thing going to give that team a chance to win. Believe me we played a team in Florida that was short but they all had volleyball line range and we had 7’0 strong Africans. They could SHOOT!

@buckstraw925

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattprice302 Height has always been a strong advantage in the game and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Half the game with the three and half without. Both inside and outside play needs to be strong for a great overall team. What's wrong with that setup?

Well in response to Rick Carlisle, The warriors use like a modern version of the triangle. Those post split actions between Draymond, Looney and Curry are a perfect example

@markpagtama7954

3 жыл бұрын

Thats not a triangle cause you only have 1 triangle

FYI...Rick Pitino started this at Providence in the mid 80s. Then at Kentucky.

This reminds me of the air raid in college football

@dpiddy022

3 жыл бұрын

we've got a chicken/egg situation here because they call that "basketball on grass"

Thanks for this. I find 5 out works well for my Under 14's team in building a basic structure that works. We went from every man for himself and all wanting to be Steph Curry to having a role to win offensive possessions "as a team". Teaching basic screens has improved their game so much. Also trying 'flow' to build in the low post block player.

The triangle also started at the college level. Tex Winter created it at Kansas State and took it to the Bulls and Lakers as Phil Jackson's assistant.

I like the way you do the labeling of the action on the court. It makes it a lot easier to understand what is happening. A step up from just the usual circles and highlights typically done in these types of videos.

Fun fact: my uncle played with Trae young's dad Rayford in the early 90s in Texas Class 4A. My uncle was the biggest guy on the team (6'2) but they averaged about 92-97 points a game I those early years. Why? 5 out motion and transition baskets. I remember in the early 00s when the Suns were playing run and gun and thinking "they're finally catching up" lol

@michaelmittelstet6346

Жыл бұрын

That is awesome! I played against Rayford in Jr High School. I was from Borger and Rayford was a heck of a player, State Champ. JJ Mathis was on that team and he was a good friend of mine latter in college. Also played against Devin Lemons, he was a load. Good Bless Elmatador.

Euro style offense. Nice to see it in the NBA. Thought it’s only in college

Now watch the Lakers defense from the 2020 playoffs vs Houston’s 5-out small ball, Nuggets hot offense that had Jokic a 5 who can stretch out and pass as good as anyone, Blazers with Dame, CJ and Gary Trent as 3 hot shooting guards that can attack well and Heat when Bam was playing and even Olynyk and Meyers Leonard stretching out. Watch the defense side to it and how to counter it.

I like a Dribble handoff/ DHO before going into your 5-Out Motion Offense = Trailing Big above the Top of Key for ball reversal to the other side instead of right back to initial side of operation.

It's so overpowered that you can't even use it on 2K

@buttnuts2599

2 жыл бұрын

Wait is that why the AI always walks into the deep two when they have an open three?

@TheMissinLink

Жыл бұрын

use nuggets freelance

@tradtrad1000

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMissinLink Bucks is better, it's a true 5 out. But it's annoying to have to do it every game if you want it

I love Alabama in the 5 -OUT. They are running through the SEC this year. 6-0 so far and 11-3 overall.

@Crypt1cninja

3 жыл бұрын

This aged well

@Crypt1cninja

3 жыл бұрын

@@serensolomand8958 LMAO

Thanks for this video!5 out is really very effectively with 3 seconds on def rule! I'm balling in europe ,so we like 4-1 to have a dish on dunk/blind cuts

Great content!

Love the videos man

I’ve been waiting on this!

Absolutely loved the video. Hopefully you can go further into what Juwan Howard is doing at Michigan that has resulted in such dominating results so far in a future video.

@speedracer55

3 жыл бұрын

Michigan has been running 5-out sets for a while under John Beilein, from what I can tell Howard has put in a lot of pick-and-roll action to go with all the backdoor cutting and outside shooting

@gturcott1

Жыл бұрын

Phil Martelli is the guru behind the Michigan offense. Former St Joes head coach and kudos to Howard for getting great help

Excellent content.Keep up the good work !Interestingly,Virginia in their recent match-up against the notre dame ,did not run almost any mover-blocker offense but instead chose 5-out with huff leading the way...Opposite the 5-out, Virginia Tech is a joy to watch as they put the ball on the post in almost every possession an try to find solutions through that..!

@guppy719

3 жыл бұрын

College has more variation simply from the fact that kids have a lot of deficiencies in their game and so by playing different systems you can take advantage of different kinds of players.

I never really noticed how close basketball is to chess

I love this guy! He really is a hoops junkie and knows his stuff

Amazing video!

Great video. Think I just found a new channel to sink my teeth into.

The Warriors absolutely love running the stagger away

Calipari used the zoom a lot this season and they scored at will . Most zooming up to space for three. Rarely did they utilize the cut

I only mention them because you was talking about blue bloods being behind. For me 5 out is for a smaller team.

Good video... These strategies will keep evolving as the rules keep changing in the NBA. Bring back the hand check rule and bring in the rule that a shooter cannot move into the way of a downward falling defender (e.g. the way Harden jumps into a defender who is on the downward movement). You'll see the 5-out scheme change again.

@c0smicwaverider

3 жыл бұрын

@@acer7217 a lot of fan debate about hand checking. I was kid back then so didn't really notice it. Any clear reason it was taken out

@samarthbhatnagar347

2 жыл бұрын

@@acer7217 handchecking is banned since magic Johnson rookie season 😂😂

@samarthbhatnagar347

2 жыл бұрын

@@c0smicwaverider it takes offensive player effort difficult game slow and backing down and running into people for help Overall just slowing the game and reducing earning of nba

I like the 4 out with a dunker better than 5 out. But like you said, personnel will dictate the strategy.

@jmgonzales7701

Жыл бұрын

where will the 1 position itself? is it possible to have a 5 out while not being out the 3?

Can you do a video on the creighton offense?

This is literally Suns (5-out hybrid with DA) Vs. Bucks (crash offensive boards and draw fouls) finals

Yugo NT circa 1990... that's how they used to play

Isn’t offensive rebounding minimized?

@savethetrees1214

3 жыл бұрын

Dallas often has the man in the corner run in for a rebound but nba teams often value transition defence over the uncommon offensive rebound

@JayzsMr

2 жыл бұрын

Offensive rebounds are overvalued. Especially with modern 3pt shooting . It's often just luck where the ball drops after a distance shot

@GhostD0G8

2 жыл бұрын

@@JayzsMr I wouldn’t say luck because good rebounders can read shots. But I will agree that modern three point shooting has taken its effect on rebounding. Before it was just select and elite shooters shooting threes now everyone is. Now add average and subpar shooters into the mix and this results in more long rebounds, more air balls and more variables as to where the ball will land. Offensive rebounding will never be overvalued. I get the that transition defense is the more likely and a team should prepare for it but offensive rebounds are gold. Analytics can’t measure/define everything.

@YoLoBrOtHeR

2 жыл бұрын

No cause you crash the boards with speed which is better then standing still if your a short team.

@gturcott1

Жыл бұрын

It’s obselete

Make a video on Grinnell College! Gc’20

Yeah this is old school offense actually. Adolf Rupp used it in the 50s with all his undersized teams. Made it to. Natl game and lost to UTEP. Formerly known as as Texas western who was the much bigger team. They gave UK big trouble from the start. Once they began running the 5 out they scored at will and came back to almost win.

Can you send this to Coach Cal at Kentucky please.

Any system is only effective as its players. A Miami Heat going to the Finals using five out, is one thing. But if you don't have a Bam Adebayo and Dragic helping a Jimmy Butler, the Heat are a no match for Lebron and AD! You referenced Princeton. I saw Princeton, in the late 90s, run this, with shooting big man, Chris Young.

this offense comes from european style basketball greg popovich and erik spoelstra are big fans of euopean offenses and also utah jazz coaching staff like it too

Need a shout out to John Beilein for the innovation.

With this style of play you'll never see another power center.

@taehughestv3928

3 жыл бұрын

Agree Centers wont be extinct just more skilled instead of back to the basket all the time a pop out to shoot ocasionally

@brodyclere7317

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you’ll see another power center that also has perimeter skills. Nobody should be limited to just the paint or just the perimeter. Basketball is evolving just like anything else.

@julianorozco5201

3 жыл бұрын

its just time until you have weak centers and a new shaq or hakeems appears nd its just gonna eat the whole nba

@profd65

3 жыл бұрын

@@generalkayoss7347 Offensive players drive into the paint virtually unopposed because they pick their opportunities; they don't drive regardless of what the defense is doing. Obviously you don't drive towards the basket if Shaq is parked in the paint looking right at you; you drive when he's caught out of position. This offense assumes that you have big men that can shoot the three; Shaq will have to leave the key to guard these guys, and when he does that then you can drive.

@brodyclere7317

3 жыл бұрын

@@generalkayoss7347 Shaq would still dominate today obviously. A modern big man with a perimeter game would still be effective against Shaq. They wouldn’t be able to guard each other.

in australia 5 out is basically all we play

5 out has been big since 2010. Pre 10 it was swing/flex/motion for dang near 30 years.

I dunno man, I just miss stuff that isn't a three pointer or a layup. In college it's better cause with enough teams you force some variation, but in the NBA the athletes are so good and so fast that you almost don't need to run sets. It's just gotten so damn boring, running your entire offense above the three point line just waiting for an open 3 or a clean dive to the rim, that's what most of this amounts to.

@guppy719

3 жыл бұрын

The NBA also has landing space which makes 3 point defense harder and makes 3 pointers more efficient because of trips to the foul line. Conversely illegal defense is why shooting 3s didn't catch on as fast.

@ivorysteele

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

Interesting, I played Handball in my youth and the games are becoming more and more simliar tacticwise. Maybe the nba shoul adapt some ideas there. Would be an interesting experience.

@jmgonzales7701

Жыл бұрын

people play handball?

@namenknappheit

Жыл бұрын

@@jmgonzales7701 Its like a mixture out of basketball and soccer but you dont call foul every second. Basketball is kind of soft if you ask me.

@jmgonzales7701

Жыл бұрын

@@namenknappheit well in modern rules yeah its kinda soft, but i doubt the 90s and 2000s rules will be soft even by handball standards.

@namenknappheit

Жыл бұрын

@@jmgonzales7701 still soft. Just watch a Video. It is a different sport where contact is part of the game.

@jmgonzales7701

Жыл бұрын

@@namenknappheit have seen it, not impressed tbh.

FRED!!!!

And the Mavs how many ships with this offense

The Philippine Team uses this offense. This offense has been controversial because people hated the coach for doing this.

these vids are fire! So much better for people who are bigger then your average bball fan like myself! THIS IS WHY UNC'S OFFENSE WILL NEVER BE ELITE. NO SPACING! My heels will win a lot of games because of our physically imposing bigs. But teams that can fully utilize 5 out ( IOWA) we wont be able to beat!

It’s funny that WV is running 5 out now😂

Miss the mid range shot..miss when players created their shots and had different styles of play

@brodyclere7317

3 жыл бұрын

A tough mid range jumper is worth the same as a layup. Doesn’t make sense to shoot a lot of mid range jumpers unless it’s a late shot clock situation and it’s the best look you can get.

@WarrenJr1996

3 жыл бұрын

@@brodyclere7317 but you don’t understand playoff basketball when players start playing real defense. A mid range shot can do wonders for your team. A player that can shoot from anywhere on the court is always going to be valuable in the playoffs. Creating a system is good but also let your players create outside your system so that if all fails they know how to get a bucket on their own. Most these players look lost when the system is broken down.

@samarthbhatnagar347

2 жыл бұрын

@@WarrenJr1996 players do play midrange but for role players it makes sense to shoot more threes and space out for isolation.Else you see Jordan taking tough jumpers when you have a center ,guards and Pippen all waiting for midrange shots 😂

@samarthbhatnagar347

2 жыл бұрын

Nba team investment in player should be good for them too. If you are average at it and other actions give more results why a post up or mid range.

Not really New i coach for 13 years in Europe 11 of them with 5 out and Triangle offense

I personally hate the rockets style 5-out, I can’t argue with the stats but I love passing and movement is basketball at its best

@DavidJCO

3 жыл бұрын

5-out does not mean that there is no passing and players cutting. The problem with the Rockets is that they used 5-out in order to let James Harden play iso ball. They wanted to leave space in the paint for Harden to attack if he wanted, but they did not seem to have anything more complex than that. Harden without the ball just turned off his engine, that is why they weren't more successful. 5-out can have a lot of passing and movement - I think the Mavericks with Luka Dončić are an example of that.

@JayzsMr

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidJCO Mavs offense is basically like the Rockets offense but high pick and roll instead of iso . Not a good example for movement and cuts

are we not gonna talk about how the dude caught a body at 6:39

I ran five out motion when I played college ball in 90s for a small school. However we had much more motion. Today’s NBA is five out with a high screen roll at the top and very little movement. It’s obviously highly efficient but just being honest, quite boring

@JayzsMr

2 жыл бұрын

Yes NBA teams are often just lazy and serve their stars . No real Coaches who control their team and just let the ball dominant guard have the ball and run high pick and roll . I hope one team comes along like the Warriors and run 5 out motion and kills these high pick and roll teams

I like 5 out but I'll be damned if everyone stands around and doesn't crash the boards

Good Morning my friend. It is very good that you discover he 5-out offense but you are late about 10 years or maybe more. Try to find out the Read & React offense by Coach Rick Torbet on Better Basketball site: vault.betterbasketball.com/systems/....Beter late than ever...Good Morning again...

btw Pete Nance is Larry Nance jr’s brother

The NCAA 3 point line is closer to the basket than the NBA one, so that's another reason you'll always see more threes in college.

I've been doing this in 2k since I cam remember lol

To me, it's the old fashioned "back door" play -- and bad defense.

Don’t most teams run this cos they got no tall players?

Isn't that the 4 corners

Time to get rid of the 3 point line.

@WarrenJr1996

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously there is such lack of creativity in the nba now

Sorry coach Carlisle, no offense is extinct..... everything makes a comeback in some form or fashion

It was always 5 out on the third grade hoops

Xi Jinping approves of this offense

@Rohan_Mehta

3 жыл бұрын

Of course ur subbed to outkick 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾

@playbackproductions1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rohan_Mehta you're lucky it's your month to celebrate, or I'd learn you up some stuff.

@playbackproductions1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rohan_Mehta Thomas Sowell too, dawg. ✌

Did anyone else casually watch basketball and not know any of this was going on.

5 out? Or in simpler terms, Rec basketball

Nobody has one a ring primarily playing this way though! 😂😂😂😂

@samarthbhatnagar347

2 жыл бұрын

Cause no one played like this 😂😂 before warriors and had all things firing 😂😂

@samarthbhatnagar347

2 жыл бұрын

Suns were similar

But what team has won with a 5 out offense? Its not effective in a 7 game series. Check out my sports page

When you remove centers from the game, no shit you need to play different. Tragic, but probably necessary.

Disciplined zone kills 5 out.

3 pt shot should only be worth 2.5 points

@staidenofanarchy

3 жыл бұрын

I would back the three point line up to 3 feet and get rid of the corner three. That would open up everything.

@YoLoBrOtHeR

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up. Just cause you can’t shoot doesn’t mean we should change.

@shorewall

Жыл бұрын

@@staidenofanarchy Yeah, I don't want half points, but I'm ok with moving the line back.

Next Evolution: 5 out at half court

DAMN HE TRIED PHIL. "THE TRAINGLE IS EXTINCT." THE ZEN MASTER SHOULD REMAKE THE TRIANGLE JUST OFF THIS COMMENT AND COME BACK WITH AVENGANGENCE

Thanks for explaining why I no longer watch college basketball or the NBA.

@JayzsMr

2 жыл бұрын

You rather watch some butter fingers big man dribble slowly in the post for 20 seconds of the shot clock

Will be the death of Basketball

lol. Someone is playing 2K

This will all be destroyed if a 22 year old Jabbar comes into the league.

Analytics might just kill off the fun of the sport someday

@JayzsMr

2 жыл бұрын

Playing 5 out is way more fun

Jesus Christ is love ❤😊

Thank you. Get the fuck out of the paint it’s dead

Northern Iowa’s basketball program should be disbanded

The 5 out has made today’s players soft !!!!! It’s a junk offense and I will take 2 post. Every time !!!!

Snooze fest

aka The Most BORING Basketball Generation.

Literally every team does the exact same thing, basketball is so boring these days.