Karate styles are pathways that lead to the top of the same mountain...Keep practicing, enjoy the journey, be safe and ..... OSSU!

@TheAnsonysc

4 жыл бұрын

henry b. aguilar When you mentioned Karate styles are pathways that lead to the top of the same MOUNTAIN......It recalled my memory that there is an old Chinese saying :一山還有一山高，強中更有強高手。

@lathminster

4 жыл бұрын

I like your response better than mine - shorter and to the point.

@darriusminoras779

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

@rehanhussan

3 жыл бұрын

I practice kyokushin karate

@the40thstep

3 жыл бұрын

Osu is with single "s" and in its basis a rather rude word...

Jesse "The Karate Nerd" Enkamp resently made a series on his youtube channel where he travels to China to research the roots of Karate. Seems like something for you!

@BigBro559

4 жыл бұрын

Shattered DnB they should just both make a video together I think it’ll be great

@shattereddnb3268

4 жыл бұрын

@@BigBro559 Yep, agreed!

@ArtofOneDojo

4 жыл бұрын

It would be an honor to do a video with Sensei Jesse Enkamp!

@shattereddnb3268

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArtofOneDojo That would be an interesting episode, maybe you should reach out! I understand that you are more or less stuck at your location, but Jesse travels a lot...

@Supermomo2007

4 жыл бұрын

@@shattereddnb3268 are you surprised too, that the groundwork in mma has his roots in dog style kung fu?

Okay. I started karate 46 years ago. I have been in Shotokan, Shitoryu, and Goju Ryu (Japanese). It's truly not that complicated. "Modern Karate" was and is the Japanese styles mentioned above plus Wado Ryu. Their roots are in the Okinawan styles. But the Okinawan styles are "close in" fighting styles, the earliest version of karate. Shotokan's master Funakoshi and the other three Japsnese style masters modernized and popularized karate to the world. So karate for that reason is associated with Japan. It's simpler to just refer to Japanese karate, Okinawan karate, and Korean karate. The four above mentioned styles are the four earliest and most followed of the Japanese styles. Simple as that. Korea and Okinawa have their earliest and most popular styles as well, such as Shorin Ryu and Soo Ban Do.

@brucelevine6517

4 жыл бұрын

Shto kan today has little to do with Funakishi . Just as human understading has evolved through science and comparitive sociology so has karate . Shto kan isnt even the same as it was in the 60s when i started . Nakayama changed it and then Kanazawa changed it further by going back to its ti chi chaun roots .ans for you experts out there i personally talked with Kanazawa back in 1984 about this and had met Nakayama as well

@jopalo31675

4 жыл бұрын

Bruce... I would think Karates roots would be white crane or Fujian White Crane. At least that’s what is said in Okinawa. Maybe the master you speak of was also a Tai Chi practitioner.

I like the “generational” reasoning. It reminds me of how in gaming we have console generations and how each console in that generation is somehow connected to each other and the ones before it.

I'm 65 studying since I'm 13 and this never grows old for me I love the way your broke everything down that was nice thank you

There are no pure styles of karate. Purity comes only when pure knuckles meet pure flesh no matter who delivers or receives. :)

@ArtofOneDojo

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with this reference :D

@jean4j_

3 жыл бұрын

so kyokushin?

@yeetfeet1878

3 жыл бұрын

@@jean4j_ no. Kyokushin karate is good but so overrated in the karate world. Any karate style teaches you to punch. There is no best karate style. But I can tell you one main flaws of kyokushin is the lack of keeping your hands up. They are all great though.

@jean4j_

3 жыл бұрын

@@yeetfeet1878 that and also footwork and fighting strategies I'd say. Being tough is good. But not having punch to the face really takes a lot of fighting strategies away.

@yeetfeet1878

3 жыл бұрын

@@jean4j_ agreed. I still think that it is a great style. But one thing I like about shotokaun is they teach you to keep your hands up, and at least in my shotokaun they do these things called self defense. Where they teach you how to apply moves in a self defense situation.

I appreciate your channel---much respect for your efforts I started with Shotokan ( 7 years of practice ) ; Wing Chun (5 years) Judo (1 year) and now I study Tang Soo Do / Bjj Hapkido in Panama---these have been a product of my Military career ---- Thank you again sir--SFC D. Valle, Alfredo

@JoJo-st6jk

4 жыл бұрын

You have good well-rounded training 👌

@user-vb9km7hn1p

Ай бұрын

I almost saw myself

Hearing Isshinryu mentioned made me exceedingly happy. Usually ignored by KZreadrs.

@philipouma3867

3 жыл бұрын

I myself do isshin ryu

Ill always consider Goju, Shorin and Uechi the main systems as they were the original okinawan systems that developed from chinese boxing and traditional okinawan tegumi... I dont personally think any of the later styles like shotokan and shito improved anything from their forebearers... Instead focusing on showmanship in kata and point based sparring. Kyokushin is a little better, but Ive still not seen a kyokushin school that trains tegumi in a manner that they should given how much emphasis they place on striking techniques. I like karate cultures take on training they are doing karate in a way i think that closer represents how it should be trained.

@honigdachs.

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Karate changed so much since it got introduced to the school system in mainland Japan and later the west. The modern WKF Karate is something entirely different and is based on only a small fraction of what original okinawan Karate represents. I would go as far as to call them "wrong". I realized that after switching to okinawan Goju Ryu.

@vladimirglebov235

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I totally agree with you. Karate starts from these 3 main styles (goju-ryu, shorin-ryu, uechi-ryu) on Okinawa. Shotokan, Shito-ryu and Wado-ryu are detivate from these big 3.

@lathminster

4 жыл бұрын

Miyagi (the founder of Goju) and Kenwa (the founder of Shito) were friends. They trained under the same master, Higaoanna Kanryu, who was among other things a master of White Crane kung fu. They collaborated. Kenwa's son remembers sitting on Miyagi's knee as they finished a kata and debated what to name it - it became known as Tenshin. To say that Goju is a "main system" and that shito-ryu "didn't improve anything on it" is surprising... Shito isn't a successor style. They were remarkable martial artists and clearly admired and respected each other. They were similar in age and trained with the same master. Similarly, Shotokan wasn't even called that until after Funakoshi's death, and he was a contemporary who traded kata with Kenwa and Miyagi. That you prefer a specific training method is good, keep doing that. But I would advocate it is better to think that there is only one karate. I hope we continue to learn from each other like Miyagi and Kenwa did.

@Doct0rLekter

3 жыл бұрын

Vladimir Glebov To call Wado-Ryu derivative of the other styles is only understanding half of the picture. Wado-Ryu is the only transformative style of the second three listed. At surface level it’s similar, but Wado-ryu created many of the things commonly associated with Karate (Kihon, actually sparring). On top of that, Wado-Ryu is partially based on Shindo-Yoshin-Ryu Jujutsu (which is why it was originally called Karate-Jujutsu instead of just Karate). I would venture to say that Jujutsu had more influence on Otsuka’s teachings (considering he was essentially a grand master of Shindo Yoshin Ryu) than Shotokan or even Okinawan “Karate”. It includes, as its foundation, tai sabaki (or body management). This is a concept that comes straight from traditional Jujutsu and Japanese sword fighting, and Otsuka changed many techniques and kata to put tai sabaki at their core as well as creating Kihon Gumite to teach this concept so that it could be better grasped and used in kumite or real situations. He was also among the first to recognize that martial arts without some form of free sparring against an actual opponent is pointless. Thus, free sparring became a required component of Wado training. There’s no question that Okinawan “Karate” (and, to less of a degree than many might think, Shotokan as well) were influences on Otsuka; however, Wado Ryu was simply a by-product of his love of martial arts that started, and was firmly rooted in, his mastery of Shindo Yoshin Ryu Jujutsu.

@brookchivell

3 жыл бұрын

@@vladimirglebov235Mabuni Kenwa (shito-ryu) actually studied in Naha (with Higashionna) at the same time as Miyagi and they were friends. Mabuni also studied Shuri-te (with Itosu) and combined the 2 Te for form what would become Shito-Ryu this the reason the style has so many Kata. Shito-ryu is a melding of Shuri, Naha and white crane and Jiu-jitsu (which Mabuni Kenei incorporated into the style). Funikoshi often traveled to Osaka with his students to train with Mabuni as he knew Mabuni’s karate knowledge was amazing. The story of the Goju kata Tensho is correct (it’s is also practiced in Shito-ryu I was lucky enough to practice it with Mabuni Kenei at the honbu in Osaka) and the Shito-ryu kata Shinpa were apparently created on the same night in the same room (or so I have read).

Before watching i'll say based on history Goju, Shorin, Uechi (Pangai-noon) and then popularity Shotokan.

This is correct in my opinion. I think of them as the four main styles that were early registered at the Butoku Kai, and thus the "recognized" early styles in Japan. Kenwa Mabuni's (Shito-ryu) main instructors were Anko Itosu (Shuri-te) and Higaonna Kanryo (Naha-te). Gogen Yamaguchi's (Goju-ryu in Japan) main instructor was Chojun Miyagi (Goju-ryu), and Miyagi's main instructor was Higaonna Kanryo (Naha-te). Gichin Funakoshi's (Shotokan) main instructors were Anko Itosu (Shuri-te) and Anko Asato (Shuri-te). Hironori Otsuka's (Wado-ryu) main instructor was Gichin Funakoshi (Shotokan) and also had license to teach Shindo Yoshin-ryu Jujutsu. Since Otsuka was actually a first-generation black-belt instructor for Funakoshi, that predates modern Shotokan. Otsuka's kata don't look much like modern Shotokan, but appear more similar to Kenwa Mabuni's Shito-ryu and Funakoshi's earlier Ryukyu Kenpo and Karate Jutsu versions that predate modern Shotokan. As you noted, only the kata from these four lines will be recognized at the 2020 Olympics (in 2021). I found it interesting that you also noted Tang Soo Do. I started in Wado-ryu, which was cut short by Sensei Mikio Nishiuchi moving to Okinawa to study Pangai Noon (Uechi-ryu) and Kobudo, and I moved to Tae Kwon Do. This specific line of Tae Kwon Do was under Duk Sung Son, first -generation student of Won Kuk Lee, founder of the Chung Do Kwan, teaching "Tang Soo Do" before the name "Tae Kwon Do". Won Kuk Lee's main instructors were Gichin Funakoshi and his son Gigo. I bring that up because imagine my surprise when I learned the same forms as I was in Wado-ryu, but in the updated versions like modern Shotokan (but with modern Korean kicking).

I agree that it is more about generation than style. It's great to pay tribute to the older traditional styles that were recognized in the past but so much has changed since then, including the way people fight. I think it's important to validate what is practical in todays modern world to people who are new to the martial arts especially when teaching self defense.

Shito-ryu here. In the dojo I go recently one black belt in Shoto-kan join to us because for the pandemy, the dojo he used to go, close. We have te same punches, kicks, postures, katas, etc. but different, our Sensei, said to us "watch him, learn the differences, and take the best of the two styles, karate is about learn"

Really like your generational categorization. Much more accurate in classifying the hybrids while recognizing their traditional natures. Great video

Defining martial arts is so convoluted and and difficult to grasp because of the passion behind every practitioner that trains and studies in a martial art. Im a Shito-Ryu practitioner and instructor just tuning in✌🏼

Funakoshi once said: "There is only one Karate". I would say, if you want to split it in styles, put the principles and call it style: Shorin-Ryu (Shotokan; Wado-Ryu; Sukunai Hayashi-Ryu; Matsubayashi-Ryu and many more), Shorei-Ryu (Goju-Ryu, Uechi-Ryu and more) and the mix of this two principles (Kyokushin-Ryu, Shito-Ryu, Isshin-Ryu and more). All so called styles of Karate fit in this three "drawers".

@niwamura

4 жыл бұрын

S`derf ja ruhig moi gsogt wern I wanted to post the same. So I totally agree with you.

@davidcook3035

4 жыл бұрын

Nice Explanation Bud. I am a Isshinryu and Gojuryu practioner of 35 years. I enjoy the workouts.

@rodrigobastosmello1184

4 жыл бұрын

That is, for me, the best division

@graylad

4 жыл бұрын

I believe your assessment is correct.

@lathminster

4 жыл бұрын

I agree - only one karate-do. Chogun Miyagi and Kenwa Mabuni were friends. They collaborated on kata, and that is why some like Tenshin are in both their styles. Funakoshi sent his lead student to learn kata like Nijushiho and bring them back to their style. It all really is silly. I am faithful to my "style" but not because it is static and deserves some preservation, never to evolve and grow again. We will collaborate, and the styles will weave around each other. And should it end even there? Karate comes from a marriage of Te and White Crane kung fu. Maybe I am a not a karate-ka, but a kung fu master? Just labels.

I agree how they shouldn’t be called the ‘main style’, maybe the ‘most popular’ ? I’m a Wado-Ryu practitioner (a style that’s mixed with karate and jujitsu) and these were the only styles of karate I knew in most of my time in training, when I asked my sensei, he agreed that these were more common to see. I believe they should be called the ‘original styles’, as other style are hybrids of these.

I agree with your “generations” format. I hope your idea gets popularized.

Your information on Funikoshi’s beginning in Shorin Ryu matches mine. According to my conversations with Sensei Katsuya Miyahira prior to his death and Sensei Sekichi Iha; Sensei Funikoshi studied Shorin Ryu under Anko Itosu. Funikoshi was disgruntled that just prior to Itosu’s death in 1915, Itosu passed the style to Chosin Chibana. Funikoshi refused to follow Chibana. In 1922 when Funikoshi traveled to Japan and found a group asking him to stay and teach, he of course took the opportunity to split from Shorin Ryu.

Wait a min, last I checked there were 3 main styles, Shorin Ryu, Uechi ryu, and Goju Ryu!

@rock3times

4 жыл бұрын

Shorin is Japanese for Shaolin, Uechi is from Pan Gai Noon and Goju is from White crane kungfu of Fujien china..of course they mixed and jumbled with 3 Te-s of Okinawa to become many Karates of nowadays.

@mirecmusic

4 жыл бұрын

​@@rock3times There is a difference between the Okinawan language and the Japanese language.Like the north and south. Okinawan: Shorin = Small Pine Forest Ryu=Style or system .

@rock3times

4 жыл бұрын

@@mirecmusic I know some chinese which Japanese borrow from..Shorinji is shaolin temple...likewise Shorin is Shaolin...shao lin in chinese means " small forest"..Pine is everywhere in Henan where the temple located..so Pine is " 'understood'.. In Japan , there is Shorinji Kempo not Ryu, founded by Doshin So, a japanese trained in China Shaolin temple..and brought back to japan..

Excellent video, thanks!

I agree with the generation theory. This makes sense for every generation integrate new techniques. Some schools are now adopt grappling techniques that were used in various disciplines because of the MMA sport exposure. I am happy to see this kind of discussion about this topic and hope to see more.

I agree with you, on the spot, about Karate generations

Wow, good job, very rarely do you see a karateka practitioner know his history! Keep up the good work! I studied A Ken po for 20 years, I now study under Hanshi Bruce Juchnik, of sei Kosho shorei Kai

I like your conclusions. Yes, from what I was told by my teacher, the main styles are that because they had registered at the budokukai. BTW there was a separate section for "foreign" arts. Although Okinawa is a part of Japan, it is still not considered mainland Japan, both by the Okinawan and Japanese. So you can say that Shotokan ryu, Goju ryu, and Shito ryu are the main Okinawan styles in Japan. Wado ryu is the strange duck ( I dont want to the ugly duck) between them. Although in the name it suggest that it is karate, in it's principles and concepts it is anything but karate. It is a perfect merge between karate and jujitsu (Shindo Yoshin ryu). That is why the Kihon and kata from Wado are different from the other styles. The only reason it is still appreciated as a karate style is because it's founder, Ohtsuka sensei, was co-founder of the Japan Karate Federation. So again, politics....

I like your vision of looking at karate through the designation of generations rather than main. The former provides a sense of origin, roots and narrative which prerequisites for context.

once again your research is thorough and spot on, and you acknowledge that conclusions can be hard to reach with limited and conflicting information. it would be a great service to humans if you could somehow teach people on multiple different issues/topics!!

Well done!

Your assessments on all videos I have seen are well positioned and researched. Just what a Dan 5 should do.

Appreciate your research. I agree with your "generational" approach. Karate, like most anything on earth, changes and develops over time to suit the particular circumstances of that time. It's always good to understand where your style comes from and how it developed, no matter what style you choose to practice. It is a personal choice, but I think important to know what your style's history ia all about. One generation will always influence the next. I started with Goju Ryu, did some Shotokan, then some Goju Kai, eventually back to traditional Goju Ryu.

I have been in Shotokan karate for close to 50 years. I agree with your assessment

good stuff your doining a grand job here ... good luck to the future

There are so many styles out there. My style is go ryu karate-do; way of 5 Dragons karate. But my core is Okinawan shorin-ryu and kyokushin. As long as you have an honest history and core discipline... we all are primarily martial artists. Keep up the great work.

I’m gonna place a guess Goju Shoto Wado Kyokushin

@IronMartialArts

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Ward that was my guess too, I never hear anyone mention shito ryu

@zachariaravenheart

4 жыл бұрын

TheOldRaven I heard of it, but I hear more about Kyokushin

@pimperish666

4 жыл бұрын

Goju, shito, wado, shotokan

@dswynne

4 жыл бұрын

But Kyokushin is a descendant of Goju-Ryu and Shotokan, right?

@ArtofOneDojo

4 жыл бұрын

Correct :)

Best explanation I have heard. Appreciate the video as I was researching this as well. In that research I found American Kenpo listed as a descendent of Shorin-Ryu. Do you have any research supporting that? Interestingly enough, while researching Shito-Ryu, I found a lot of similarities between its concepts/philosophies and those of American Kenpo’s

Interesting...

The first people who named the 4 major styles listed them not only because they were uniquely established but because they were the most popular styles in the pre war era. Things like kyokushin and uechi ryu were not big or even around then. That is what I've heard and read over the years. Great job with the video Mr Dan 🙂👍

I see that. Nice to the point. It should have a part 2 and do one on kickboxing

1st! Really Awesome Vid!

When thinking about karate I view it like this... It is a fighting and self defense art. I think of how I train. Usually in a dojo or at a martial arts gym of some sort with at least one other person but usually a group of people. I imagine when karate was developed there was a core group of individuals all practicing learning and bouncing ideas off of eachother. This scenario to me is the original form of karate most likely derived from each individuals own experiences and knowledge from other fighting arts. From that group they all had their opinions and preferences and this is what gave birth to what we now call "styles" of karate. As time goes on so does the splintering of ideas which leads to more branches and styles of karate, even sub styles or variations of each main style. What it all boils down to is there are no styles. All styles are from a beginning source, the original group of practicing people. So in my view I don't consider some styles more legit than others or even originals. There can be only one original, everything else is a change in opinion or preference of doing things based on creators personal abilities or perception of effectiveness.

@willroland9811

4 жыл бұрын

There was Te, a grappling form native to Okinawa. The monks introduced the striking and some new weapons. They merged to become karate and kobudo respectively. I agree that the whole naming and stylizing concept was probably later after young blood was coming up and being competitive. Most likely a comparative study after somebody mixed it up and the smarter observers realized both sides had potential. It evolved as we speak. The kicking done as karate now is all new since I've been alive. We're all kicking TKD style these days... Again, a better option got adopted. Bruce's concept wasn't all that original, but he did a great job of explaining it for everyone.

Great explanation on the "styles". I also believe the paradigm shift from the change of the kanji of 'Karate' is also a political factor. Also the approach and perspective of technique. I am Shotokan and it is definitely a mix of Okinawan and Japanese arts..Osu!

Awesome video

I like what you are doing, and like the explanation

Man, that sounded complicated. Kudos to you for researching that!

At the time they registered, they were ALREADY the "main 4" styles, number of practitioners-wise. And those were the first days of the art in Japan. It only makes sense that the more popular at those times also become more popular worldwide

I wondered why people called these the 4 "Main" styles. I always thought it was strange because they are divided differently on Okinawa. What do you think about the way the "main/major" styles are recognized/divided on Okinawa? Maybe a video follow up?

I did shukokai karate for a number of years, high stance with fast movements and quick striking style

@DrZorrow

4 жыл бұрын

coffeeguy , Shukokai at the beginning was called Tani-ha Shito-ryu, meaning it’s the take on Shito-ryu developed by Chojiro Tani. Tani was a senior student at Doshisha Umiversity, where Mabuni taught for a long while. So, at the very end, Shukokai is Shito-ryu.

when I first started practicing karate, I did not care what it was to me it was simply karate; later I found out it was Shotokan. I still practice shotokan because thats what I started with. I love Funakoshi's view; to me I love karate and I would practice any style of Karate.

@Seburo77

4 жыл бұрын

100%. :)

@realamericannegro977

2 жыл бұрын

I used to believe Karate was Karate until I took Kyokushin then I was like ew. Shotokan is fluid and natural. Extremely great to build off of too

@burningreaper333

2 жыл бұрын

@@realamericannegro977 agree 100%, I might have a quick question if you do not mind. I always want to cross train and there is a Kyokushin dojo that I might be able to; what is your experience with Kyokushin and what did you thought about it after doing it?

@realamericannegro977

2 жыл бұрын

@@burningreaper333 I despise Kyokushin to my very core and go out my way to bash it. The style is easily the worst form of Karate. The teachers I had very evil and jealous. They didn't let me build on what I already know. So I did Kyokushin enough to know how clunky and prehistoric it is. They talk crap whenever you want water but everytime I look around they telling me to use control when they feel the wind from a pulled kick to their head. They so "tough" but cant take punches to the face. If you want to enhance your fighting abilities then Kyokushin is terrible. The best a person can be with that is a high C fighter. Theu also dont trach self defense or discuss how to use the moves in serious situations and will male you look like a hothead for discussing it. I was told "the best way to win a fight is not to be there." Such cowardly teachers.

@burningreaper333

2 жыл бұрын

@@realamericannegro977 that is what I was afraid of, I am not saying all of them are like that but I do get that feeling from them. what would a regular class would be like? I am curious on their teaching methods given that they are "tough".

Can you do a video breaking down Isshinryu Karate? I’m thinking about training at an isshinryu school near me because my instructor is moving away in a couple of months and I’m looking in to other arts that aren’t Boxing or MMA which is pretty much all that’s on my area

I have and would continue to train with students of any of these disciplines as equals. Although trained in Shotokan, I have learned valuable things from students in Uechi-ryu, techniques often more practical for real-life defense scenarios. The practice is more important than the patch you wear. I can't always say the same for all Asian martial arts.

Shuri-ryu here. Love to see a history of that as the impact it had on America with Grand Master Trias and the stalking similarities in the split that happened after hours death just like Ed Parker's had on American Kempo

I’m looking at shotokan because it offered near me along with Goju ryu. But the actual karate style I would really love to learn is Uechi Ryu.

According to Bill " Superfoot" Wallace Shorin-Ryu is from Naha City, Okinawa and Funakoshi derived his style from Shorin-Ryu while in Naha City, Okinawa.

@mirecmusic

4 жыл бұрын

@@Shevock Correct

@varanid9

4 жыл бұрын

@@Shevock Interesting. I've heard original Shorin Ryu referred to as 'Shuri-Te' and Goju referred to as 'Naha-Te'.

And the 4 generation of karate mma styles like kudo,zendokai,furo,arashi,kyokoshindo,kenbukain,all around fight kyokoshin,freestyle karate and others

@ArtofOneDojo

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent point!

I always call these 4 styles "WKF karate". It's hard to consider them as main styles since they are so close from one another, compared to the practice you find in traditionnal okinawan karate or kyokushin-derived styles. There's a gray area for Goju-ryu because depending on the "kan", I consider it to be more "okinawan traditionnal karate" or "WKF karate". As for competition I usually talk about "sport kumite", "shotokan rules" or "WKF rules", opposed to "full contact kumite"/"kyokushin rules"/"knockdown karate" (I think this last term is official though). Of course, it's getting complicated when you have a traditionnal okiwanawan "kan" that have students that compete both in "sport kumite" and "kyokushin rules kumite" (for example Goju-ryu Meibukan). Still I find it clear enough like this.

Definitely hard to really do this as you have acknowledged. But starting from Okinawa if you’re talking karate and not martial arts in general is probably a reasonable place to start. But I believe there really is no One way to do this that can possibly satisfy all. The video was interesting, and I appreciate your efforts.

Great video! Speaking of the hybrid styles or 3rd generation styles of Karate have you ever heard of or looked up the styles Ashihara and Enshin Karate styles? They are pretty interesting

@ArtofOneDojo

4 жыл бұрын

We mentioned them very briefly in "History of Kyokushin Part 3"

@eliqk3qt2rg5v

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArtofOneDojo ooooh! Lol ok. I think I may have missed the part when you did 😅. My bad

A very good well rounded explanation. Osu

And...☝🏼then there is my founded hybrid style comprised of Tang Soo Do, Taekwondo & Kyokushin Kai which I have named -EVI MUDO KAI- I have been practicing for 45 years so it’s taken me a long time to come up with my system that I teach in Australia. ¿ You may remember my text that I use the Orange belt for former Black Belt practitioners who stopped training then eventually return to me with awful techniques & hence they get an orange belt symbolising either a sunset or sunrise...I give them a chance to sort it out whilst wearing The Orange belt. !?

Hello Sir, You are The Best

I practice GOJU-RYU and have been doing research on this for my English topics in school. From what I've learnt I I want to say that the reason that they are considered the main four is possibly because one or a combination of three reasons. 1. because they are the earliest most diverse styles. 2. because they are the earliest styles that have each inspired the creation of the most styles. 3. because they where the earliest most recognized styles due to their practitioners attempts to internationalise them. These are just ideas that came to me while watching this video. Though I couldn't say why 4 is the magic number.

@ArtofOneDojo

3 жыл бұрын

You bring up a great point, but wouldn't Wado Ryu be disqualified by all three of these points? Wado Ryu is derived from Shotokan and no where near as widespread.

The 4 traditional/main are shotokan; shito-ryu; goju-ryu and wado-ryu. Im a shotokan practitioner the World karate federation uses these are the bases for the official kata list After watching i like the description of karate based in generations.im more of a 3rd generation karateka.

The Dai Nippon Butoku Kai was rendered defunct after world war 2 because of it's association with the Japanese military. There is more to karate than just the WKF. I think the main styles of karate are the Okinawan styles,Kyokushin and Shotokan.

@craiglittle1836

4 жыл бұрын

Defunct no it continued on. Check out Master Kim History. San Francisco

@ninjamaster7724

4 жыл бұрын

@@craiglittle1836 it was re-established after WW2.Same name but different organisation.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Nippon_Butoku_Kai

Well they are certainly 4 distinctive style from each other. Although Hironori Ōtsuka (Wado ryu) studied under Gichin Funakoshi (Shotokan), Wado Ryu is very Okinawan in it's movement. That's because after Funakoshi, he studied under Okinawan masters and liked it. Long story.

Will you form your own version of Kenpo? Since you are mixing both Kenpo and Grappling arts.

@ArtofOneDojo

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe one day, but in the meantime I'm spending a lot of effort just learning my arts at a deeper level so I can become better that them first.

I’m a Kyokushin practitioner but I AGREE with these four!

@user-xp4ov5od8t

Жыл бұрын

Which style is the best?

@flip1sba

Жыл бұрын

@@user-xp4ov5od8t If not counting the 4 main styles, Shorin Ryu for me is the best style that is close to traditional Okinawan Karate. Kyokushin is the best style that is close to combat / mma.

Here ya go: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qqR_06tydM-8dpM.html

Kyokushin kaikan is a actually a mixed martial arts mix of shotokan,goju ryu,kokudan judo, boxing, Chinese martial arts

Good afternoon Sensei Dan how are you? Very intriguing topic, of hot heated debate. I personally feel that these generally accepted, four primary or main influential styles of Karate, are often politically biased. For me it does not bother me, that Kyokushin Karate for example is not regarded as one of the main four styles of Karate. As long as the style is practical, effective and also of a highly disciplined, as well as honourable reputation. Many people will always be displeased and in disagreement, as to which four styles of Karate, ought to be regarded as the four main styles of Karate. Thank you for this highly educational and historical video. I am glad that I learned something new and historically valuable, to me personally. 😊👍✌🇦🇺🇲🇽🥋Osu!

I completely agree with ur take but also feel like out of all the 4 main styles wado ryu should of been substituted with kyokushin, it’s way more popular and widespread than d wado ryu

Anyways Dan been doing muay thai for 8 months now thanks to your advice I don't know if you remember when I asked you for doing kickboxing and muay thai or just two kickboxing places ❤️

@ArtofOneDojo

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yes I remember! So you went with the two different schools. How are you liking Muay Thai so far? I hope it's working out well for you!

@xxxzzz9654

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArtofOneDojo Really great I just completed my first grading test about a couple of weeks ago (yellow band, they don't have belts) all thanks to you and I'm getting ready for my green belt test in kickboxing (the one before brown belt here) I've progressed so much and couldn't have done it without your help much love from the UK 🇬🇧 ❤️. Thanks again so much. So now I've progressed in both of them instead of going to two schools with the same style . Muay thai for 8 months and kickboxing for around 4 years now.

@xxxzzz9654

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArtofOneDojo also made a lot of good decisions thanks to your channel started watching you when with your video about the hardest thing about getting a black belt (correct me if I'm wrong about the title haven't seen the video in ages) the one before your cobra kai vid and well my martial art life has been a lot better thanks to your channel. ❤️

@jarredspurlock

4 жыл бұрын

How do you like kickboxing compared to muay thai? How similar are the arts, vs how different are they?

@xxxzzz9654

4 жыл бұрын

@@jarredspurlock there are some differences like the lack of spinning kicks and the more roughness in muay thai but one thing that still trips me up is that kickboxing it was fast and constant war whereas muay thai a slower more tactical pace in all honestly I love them both for their own ways but kickboxing will aways be my core

Hi. With respect to the four major styles of karate, I would reach out to the author, Dave Lowry. I believe that he can help provide deeper insight into how those four variations became the "main" styles. Hopefully, this can help narrow any remaining gaps. Oss.

In my humble opinion i would say there should be two catagories. One called the orginal...s. And then ones called the main. The ones being called the main. Would be the most popular versions to date.

I do not personally agree with this as well. I believe more the original 3 Te systems are the way to go since all Karate styles originate from them. And I would love if you did a video or series on the Isshinryu Karate style which is the style I have a black belt in.

I belonged to the Butokukai of Eastern Canada. I believe that it was O'Sensei Richard Kim who bought it to North America. I'm primarily a Shorin/Shorinji practitioner ( also Tracy and American Kenpo Karate which is where I think I know you from) and along with Goju-ryu they were reintroduced into the Butokukai. I might be off but I think that's how it goes.

Love The video and I self train kyokushinkai. I plane to travel to OKINAWA and train Goju Ryu. 😀 Right now I read the book History of Karate and the Masters Who Made It by Mark I. Cramer have you read that?

In reality there is no standard style of Karate, there is also no standard style of Jujutsu. There is a Common Thread running through all these combat techniques. But, at the end of the day it's all about who trains harder and who is left standing.

@ArtofOneDojo

4 жыл бұрын

Ed Parker used to say "It doesn't matter who is right, it matters who's left" :D

when i studied there was the axiom to see the surface and below the surface , far and near i am not sure of the correct term but perhaps ken and kan.it is hard to believe that a martial art founded and practiced in utmost secrecy would give up all of it's secrets.

Are the first few katas or those styles very similar or not.???

Shito-Ryu is supposedly the largest style because it has the most katas. It was founded by Kenwa Mabuni combining both Naga-Te and Shuri-Te.

Hello, from what i understand, the "4 main styles" come from Japanese organization in order to standarize Karate competitions so each style could compete with certain Katas and use only the katas from the most common karate styles practiced in Japan at the time (Kyokushin for example, was a minor style at the time as it was brand new). And because it was made in Japan, didnt' consider Korean styles (also brand new at the time). Right now, this clasification is pointless since all major Karate organization allow competitors to use any Kata, even the ones that comes from traditional Okinawan styles.

Please suggest me any movies that has shotokan style. I want to watch . Thank you for this informative videos. 👍

Kwanmuzendokai is a style based on the four main styles of Shotokan, Wado ryu, Shito ryu, and Goju ryu. Created by George Anderson.

I pretty much agree with what Mr Dan is saying. However I would venture to say that there are 3 major Karate styles and not four. Shito Ryu is essentially a sythesis of Naha-te ( Goju ryu ) and Shuri-te ( Shorin ryu/Shotokan ). Kenwa Mabuni basically collected katas from both disciplines and created his own eclectic style of Karate. Just my two cents. Positive feedback welcome.

There is another school called Kendokai karate (拳道会). It's very popular among ethnic Koreans in Japan.

Does goju-ryu karate have tournaments and if they do is it full contact

Have you researched Seiyu Oyata?

Which style Is very good for street fight

I believe it's because they where the first big ones. All of the arts have something to do from them. They where the big historical styles.

I do believe we call them traditional styles of karate vs modern style (think Kyokushin and its descendant styles like Ashihara, Shinkyokushin, that more often that not full contact compared to no to semi contact of the traditional ones ). I can understand how some people would call them the four main styles though.

toyama kanken, a contemporary of funokoshi and student of itosu was adamantly against the designation of styles, preferring the mentality that it's all one art. I think this is a much better way of thinking about martial arts in generally, if not at least about karate.

sounds right to me

But to be honest stating all of the origins and why they were made is the best way to go.

A lot of times people forget all about Mongolian arts. There is several references to Chinese Mongolian arts pre-existing before even the creation of Japan.

I guess the four main styles do not mean the original styles, or the root of other styles, but rather the four styles that are most commonly practiced today.

While my dan ranking is in shotokan, I can say there’s many more than 4 main styles of karate.

In the Olympics katas from Ryuei ryu and Uechi ryu are on the WKF list. Shito ryu is a combination of Shuri te and Naha te and Tomari te founded by Kenwa Mabuni which also influenced Shotokan. The main teacher being Anko Itosu Sensei. Tang Soo Do is Korean Tae Kwon Do.

@ArtofOneDojo

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe they share kata, but only kata from these 4 styles of karate are eligible to complete in the Olympics.

I use to be told there are four main styles "coming out of Japan." So, anything that didn't experience the assimilation by Japanese culture wouldn't count, like Uechi Ryu and any other style not turned into a Japanese competitive venture. That statement was also meant to refer to the the most popular styles, which I would guess would mean the styles with the most students, which was probably driven by competition. That was ten years ago. I'm sure whatever those styles were then are not exactly the same as they are now.

It sounds like the “main” styles of karate are or were chosen because of their association with DNBK but, the association houses numerous styles why are they not included? Should they be? Can a list of all of the karate styles within the association be further categorized?

Curious. What was the original chinese boxing style they were based on though?

@sakusuhorumu

4 жыл бұрын

Chuck Itaway nobody really knows. There have been many competent researchers trying to find it out, but nobody has found definitive answers even to such a “recent” style as Uechi ryu, let alone the older styles, such as Shorin(ji) ryu