Great comparison and explanation of updates! Thank you!

Nice comparison. I got my m10 2022 last week for awesome price. It was near 5k €. I love the bike! Awesome suspension and gear, wouldnt trade for newer one with lower spec, just because of couple of grams, which you gain with one bottle of water :D

As always excellent video with great explanation. So the previous 360Wh battery was 2.2036 kgs (163.4Wh/Kg battery wt) and the updated 360Wh battery is now 1.897 kgs or 189.7Wh/Kg weight which seems to be about the current top end of battery energy density for these e-MTB's. The 34 lbs Orbea Rise must feel very fun to ride and that $15,999 USD MSRP...Wow!

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, 1.9kg for that battery makes it competitive. The old one at 2.2 kg was almost as heavy as the 430Wh Fazua battery. The Forestal and TQ 360Wh batteries are a tad lighter at 1.8kg.

@mxengineer1

Жыл бұрын

@@EMTBVideos So Forestal is at 200Wh/Kg battery weight - that is perhaps the best energy density on a complete battery available to date.

Other reviewers: "Look at the colours!!!". EMTB Videos: "Look at the facts". I'm more of a facts man, myself. Thanks!

Does the new suspension link fit the 2022 rise?

Great video, can you really tell a big difference between alloy and carbon while riding?

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

We rode the 2022 alloy H30 and the 2022 carbon M10 this year. One is 18.8kg with 150mm travel fork, the other is 21kg and 140mm lower quality suspension. These are of course quite different. The carbon bike feels nimbler, but that is not just down to the frame material. I'd say there is a noticeable difference between the alloy and carbon versions. With the bigger battery and frame weight penalty, the weight adds up and it can be noticed. The weight difference has increased fro 2023, as the 360WH battery now is 300g lighter. Coming from a regular full fat emtb, the alloy Rise still feels light.

That display on the cable must be a joke. :)

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I had to use my Garmin watch with this bike, to get proper battery readout. If one rides with a Garmin, the unit is okay though.

Nice but a big fuck you from orbea to the people who bought a carbon with a small battery, or an alloy last year like me. I only went alloy because of the battery after being assured by the dealer orbea were not going to offer the larger battery on the carbon as it "violated the principle of the rise". I would have waited a year and got a 2023 m10 of they hadn't lied to me.

@terryleo1233

Жыл бұрын

how much for your old carbon ?

@romma11

Жыл бұрын

@@terryleo123322 they all are on sale now

is the new wireless controller SW-EN600-L compatible with old Rise?

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

I haven't seen anything about backwards compatibility. The only thing I found is "Compatible with removable new electric cable SD300". That's the new cable that came with the EP8. But I don't know if Orbea use this new cable on all models, the old cable can be used with an adapter.

The 2022 h15 compares closer to the 2023 h10 than to the 2023 h20, as both have fox 36 and float X shock. The 2023 h20 would be the 2022 h10 with performance suspension instead of factory.

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the new H10 is more similar to the old H15. I was trying to say the H15 has been replaced by the H20, but things got a bit out of hand (:

Is the newer ep6-rs motor detuned version from an original 85nm ep8 motor? I've read in the forums on 2022 ep8rs bikes, you could buy aftermarket software tuning and basically make the ep8rs motor on the Rise models and tune them back up to 70-80nm safely? Do you foresee this being an option on the ep6rs motor? Would you recommend 22 Rise H10 or the 2023 Rise H10 motor if i were to want to do the aftermarket tune to 70--80nm tq?

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

Orbea had forgotten to add the RS software on one of the Rises I rode. We compared it against a regular EP8 (800) bike and decided the Orbea would output about 75Nm, perhaps a tad less. We had set the Orbea to 85Nm in the Etube app. It could be the BMS was limiting maximum current draw, so the motor wouldn't do more than ~75Nm. The new EP6 (and EP6-RS) seems to be very similar to the old EP8 (800). But it is running the new 2nd gen BMS and batteries. If I'm correct in my assumption the BMS is the limiting factor, chances are that will have changed for the new EP6 and EP8 (801). I would assume people making third party apps for Shimano Steps will try to remove the RS detune. And I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with something, but it might not work the same way as it used to. I never tried the third party tuning apps, and I stay away from derestriction hacks. But I guess the 2022 Rise is the safest bet if you want to increase the torque. This is just me speculating, I don't know enought about this.

@f2performancelab

Жыл бұрын

@@EMTBVideos as usual great feedback! I think I saw your video you're mentioning that you were also comparing to a Bosch? Was that a Carbon model or rise alloy? I wonder if the batteries in the alloy rise are able to handle more power since it's a bigger battery

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

@@f2performancelab I was using an alloy Rise when I came up with the theory of the BMS limiting the maximum motor output to ~75Nm. A 540Wh battery consisting of 30x 21700 cells should work fine with an 85Nm EP8. YT Decoy is using the same battery design with the EP8. I think Orbea should allow that, and I'm not sure why they're holding back. We have done some testing of the old EP8-RS vs Bosch P-CX. At 60 cadence, we didn't pedal much harder with the EP8-RS. About 120W vs 140W of rider input to cover the same hill at the same speed and gear ratio. Here, the RS motor feels almost like a full power motor, but it couldn't keep up at higher cadence+speed.

@f2performancelab

Жыл бұрын

@@EMTBVideos Yes I really like when you guys do those cadence data tests! Are the results across the different motors readily available in one website?

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

@@f2performancelab I planned on doing a motor comparison article on www.emtbforums.com. And probably on YT. But we need more data for some motors, and I fear I just broke the watt meter pedals :/ It will be out eventually.

Is there an Alloy version with the new lighter 360Wh battery ? And What do you think will be the weight of the new H10 with this new 360 battery ?

what is the weight of the m10 2023 modell? where can you buy it? :)

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

I asked for the weight of all models, but Orbea stopped responding at that point. I weighed the 2022 M10 in size L to 18.8kg. The new motor saves about 300g. The new rear suspension rocker saves a bit, but I guess the new internal cable routing ads some. So my guess is ~18.5kg for the 2023 M10 size L. Bikes can be bought from www.orbea.com. They list all dealers on their website, so you might find one where you live.

@Gerald-iz7mv

Жыл бұрын

@@EMTBVideos interesting - it looks like the 2023 Trek Fuel exe and 2023 Orbea M10 will have about the same weight than...

Do yo know the 540wh battery will fit to old carbon models?

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

No, unfortunately it will not fit. There was some talk about the 540 battery being too big for the old carbon frame. Not sure if that was true, but the battery connection doesn't fit. There is a new connector for the 540 and the new 360Wh battery.

What do you think of the new Orbea Wild FS models? Unaas has a pretty good pre-order campaign which knocks off 1.5-2k off the price. I'm really considering the H10 (highest end alu model, 6.5k price tag) or perhaps M-TEAM, altough 8+k is a bit much in terms of what I would pay for a bike (^:

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

I think the new Wild looks very interesting. If you can live with it, there are so many advantages to having an internally fixed battery, less cost, less weight, less flex. I'm quite dissappointed they fitted the Rockshox 35 Silver TK fork to the H30, H20 and M20 though. The M20 can be personalized. With a Fox 38, XT brakes and the 625 battery, it's just over 80k nok. But customizing could push delivery dates, a stock H10 looks very interesting too.

@radicalturkey

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't get the alloy bike. I have an upgraded h15 which is basically identical to the 2023 h10. It's good but completely redundant now carbon has the 540w. Everything that made the alloy interesting is gone unless your only consideration is price. I'd get the m10 with the 540w. Also orbea are enormous liars when it comes to weight. H15 was advertised at 20kg, its 21.5kg out of the box. H10 was meant to be 19kg and was over 20.

@erichbachman7363

Жыл бұрын

@@EMTBVideos Yeah, I don't fancy the Rockshox 35 Silver TK. I guess having fox 38 perfomance with just low speed rebound and compression is fine. I don't really know how to setup suspension, so I guess Elite version just have a chance of making it worse. I did have a 38 factory and it was always super harsh on the low bump, but thats due to my lacking suspension-setup-skills xD.

@erichbachman7363

Жыл бұрын

@@radicalturkey Thanks for your input, but I think we are talking about diffrent bikes. You're talking about the Rise? ...Ofc this video is about the Rise, just me having some question about the bigger, burlier brother; Wild FS! Sorry fot the confusion, but the Rise looks really tempting aswell!

What weight is they H30 model?

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

We asked Orbea, but they didn't answer. We weighed the 2022 H30 in size L to 21kg with tubes. I would assume the new H30 is at least 21,4kg. The new one has the EP6-RS which is heavier, wheels could be heavier, Deore 12s cassette is a tad heavier than the M7100 on the old model. And I guess that's okay, for a relatively cheap alloy bike with a 540Wh battery.

Do you think I should get myself a orbea RIse?

@EMTBVideos

4 ай бұрын

It's getting a few years old, so it should be cheaper than the newly launched bikes. At a good price, it's still a fun and pleasant trail bike.

ep801 even on Al models, so false statement, according to other reviews with actual bike in hands motor rattle is much improved also

@EMTBVideos

Жыл бұрын

The H10 gets the EP801. The H20 and H30 gets the EP6. I say the rattle noise is much improved, but I'm not sure it's totally gone on this bike. I rode the EP801 on a rebuilt 2022 bike before riding this bike. It seemed the rattle was completely gone on that bike.

@romma11

Жыл бұрын

@@EMTBVideos ok for some reason I saw 801 on all but no more

SoBattery status useless for anyone with one of the 3 different colour blindness...