The BMW B58 engine is regarded as the best engine BMW has ever made, and for good reason. They sandbag their power output. I'm easily able to get over 30mpg cruising on the highway in my m340i, and this is a car bred for the autobahn. Truly the best.

@BrandanM94

Жыл бұрын

I nearly went with an X3 M40i with the B58 but decided I wanted to go crazy and so I got the X3M Competition with the glorious S58 motor. Don’t regret a thing. I have driven the M340i with xDrive and boy was it a linear fun fun car to drive. I won’t get nearly that gas mileage in my M though haha although I work from home and am not going to cry about the mileage only driving it once or twice a week.

@seanm3ify

Жыл бұрын

@brandan congratulations! Those things are absolute beasts. I bet you’re enjoying it!

@BrandanM94

Жыл бұрын

@@seanm3ify absolutely love it, nothing has put such a smile on my face as this X3M does haha cheers from Denver CO my BMW friend! 🍻

@mattyoz0

Жыл бұрын

@@BrandanM94 the s58 is an modded b58.

@MatrixDiscovery

Жыл бұрын

It was co-developed with Toyota that why it's one of the best.

They are both amazing vehicles, but I personally would take the M340i without a doubt. Best performance, handling, infotainment. If you want a super comfortable sleeper with a nice design and excellent acceleration, and want to save some more money, the S60 is definitely a great choice. We have an S60 T5, and it's a wonderful car!

Volvo is coming back with some beautiful styling vehicles no doubt

So I have this exact volvo. I drive 36 miles to and from work and can do that on all electric. I have averaged around 1100 miles per tank of gas over the first 2 fill ups. Insane. I agree that the bmw handling is better for sure. Acceleration is a wash as they are both around 4 seconds and 12-13 1/4. BMW is slightly faster but the Volvo is very fun to drive especially with the polestar tune. The Volvo also qualified for the full $7500 tax rebate. Reliability of the Volvo concerns me slightly because of so much going on. Either way both great vehicles.

@seanm3ify

Жыл бұрын

Have you had any issues with yours? I love the power numbers, but I’ve heard the T8s have had some reliability issues.

@dzod9574

Жыл бұрын

@@seanm3ify no issues. The first few runs of the T8’s had some issues but I think they have figured it out. Thankfully it’s been all good. It’s an absolute rocket when it’s fully charged.

@hyperbandit

Жыл бұрын

I also have this exact Volvo, also with the Polestar tune, and can confirm it's amazing. Regarding the tax rebate, the $7500 is all but gone though, unless Volvo drops the price a grand or two. There's a hard cap of $55k for sedans, and of the three specs (base, plus, and ultimate) the base is the only one under that, but you'll never find that. The plus is a grand or so over that with no additional options, but it's definitely the lowest trim I'd go for this car. And yes the BMW felt more fun to drive in the corners from my limited test drives, but if you do more city driving the money you'll save on gas over the life of the car really starts to add up, and even moreso if you can charge it. But yeah acceleration wise the cars are so close, with the BMW barely beating it 0-60 but the Volvo barely beating the BMW 60-80 (for highway passing) One thing to note is you get the one peddle driving with the Volvo, something you can't get on the BMW. As a result, even in the Power/Polestar mode, the car "feels" a bit more like a manual in the way the accelerator works. Definitely something to consider if you like that; the automatic of the BMW isn't bad but the peddle feel definitely is somehow better on the Volvo because of it.

@nicknoelte5698

Жыл бұрын

I have the recharge plus in denim blue. I love it!

On the Volvo, the Google assistant can do all of the functions that you would like to have buttons. Just say “hey Google turn on the drivers seat heater” and it turns on. The ultimate hands free experience.

@watchreport

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and until the system glitches (it inevitably does from time to time just like any car. I have integrated climate controls in my screen in my vehicle as well and I wish it didn’t.

@whygamewhy

Ай бұрын

Ya as an owner i d rather let my 80 years old grandma operate the functions.

Volvo : If you like music those Bowers & Wilkins stereos are just so much better than H&K If you want smooth ride with enough power and flexibility Volvo is a great one. Got S60 T8 Polestar and it is just marvelous machine that you could drive for hours without getting bored. It might not be "true sports car" but for everyday drive it is just so efficient and quiet you forget all that stuff in no time. BMW : Fun to drive and with more sporty handling. Have driven 330 and my dad currently have 530 G30 but Volvo just makes quality interiors. Not that BMW is bad but for the same money Volvo just does it better. More sporty sounds but in many countries it can cost over 20 000 more than Volvo S60 T8 (even the Polestar edition). If you want aggressive car then BMW is your go but if you want classy elegant cruiser with some power and superb stereos then Volvo might be for you. PS: You get used to the 2000kg Volvo in a week. Sure if you drive it along with 340i it might feel "heavy" but if you drive it as your only car most of the time you forget it in no time.

Every new Volvo since 2020 is speed limited to 112mph (185km/h).

@abcd_2000

2 ай бұрын

Good. I wish they did it for every car manufacturer

Nice comparison. I looked at them both (as station wagons). I prefer the engine and the steering of the BMW, but after one ride in the polestar Engineering Volvo that fell away. I prefer the stealth character, the looks in general , the seats and the dashboard of the Volvo. On top of that because of CO2 taxes, the beamer is 30k more expensive. So now on the waiting list for my T8 PE.

@Bstipble

11 ай бұрын

I got the 2023 V60 Recharge a few weeks ago and I totally agree having made the same choice between them. When you need it to be it's a chill efficient comfy hybrid or even a full EV for most commutes. Then when you want to open it up flip it into polestar mode and wind it out. If you plug it in overnight you still get really good fuel economy even mixing in performance driving and longer non-ev trips. Averaging about 70MPG so far after 2500 miles

How did BMW make the M340i look so much better than the M3?🤦‍♂️

@BrandanM94

Жыл бұрын

100% agree. I got to a lot of bmw meets locally and see the G80/ G82 M3/ M4 and I gotta say I am still not a fan of that front end it is starting to grow on me a little but would I buy one, HELL NAW 😂

@seanm3ify

Жыл бұрын

Lol reasonably sized grills.

@BrandanM94

Жыл бұрын

@@seanm3ify exactly 😆

@marauder9898

Жыл бұрын

By not making it look like an M3.

Waiting for our insurance company to get back with us but we had a non hybrid XC60 volvo and assuming it was totaled, will be getting the XC90 recharge. Also... I ended up ordering an M340i to step into in a couple months when my Tesla lease is up and yeah.. those options definitely drive up the price. Mine all in was around $73K. I considered a used 2019~2020 M3 comp but I want the creature comforts like adaptive cruise control, traffic jam assist and stuff like that. I never take my car to the track and I've rarely used even a fraction of the power my Tesla has.

@codybersicc7939

Жыл бұрын

who asked

There’s some blank buttons on the BMW back seat climate control, looks like you have to pay extra to get those heated back seats.

@RCtennis3811

Жыл бұрын

You cannot get heated rear seats in the LCI 3-Series, but you could before the refresh. BMW removed the option due to the chip shortage. Likewise, Volvo removed the 4-zone climate control that was available on the S60 when it first came out due to the same chip shortage. That’s why there’s no longer a screen back there.

I would get the Volvo Looks better

I keep waiting for Volvo to do a refresh on their cabin. The infotainment system is lacking, IMO. Yeah they tried to update it with adding Google Assistant but it still looks and feels like it did when it was introduced in the 20teens all be it a tad snappier.

The Volvo is very nice but I prefer the interior of the bmw more, and it’s sharpness.

Question is how does a loaded 3.3t AWD G70 compare? I genuinely like all three choices. And others (S4/S5 also great).

@gregkramer5588

Жыл бұрын

About $57k loaded.

@emaadmirza

Жыл бұрын

s4/s5 are underpowered imo. peak value audis are the 45 tfsi engines. the s4 and s5 look great though

@smithjones1906

Жыл бұрын

@@emaadmirza Sadly I've never driven the S4/S5, but I did drive a new A4 in the trim you mentioned. I loved the AWD system, it could actually slide the rear end out if you were turning and went full throttle. Not that anyone would ever do that... I did wish it had more power, but to be fair I feel that way about 85% of vehicles.

@DMCarReviews

11 ай бұрын

@@emaadmirzaI had an S5. It was definitely not underpowered. It was very powerful! I kept up with much higher rated horsepower cars, and it had very strong acceleration.

@abcd_2000

2 ай бұрын

Current owner of Genesis 2022 g70 rwd 3.3. It will be slower than bmw i340, if you are up to the 0-60. Not much, but slower. Suspension in Genesis is not as good as a German competitor as well. You can get top loaded 2025 g70 for 58-59k which is a bargain. From a technology standpoint Genesis is great. From a tune standpoint - it has good potential. Level 2 for example will give you 80-100 extra HP. Even by removing throttle delay you can wake up this car (google - sprint booster) Unfortunately, here in California, the dealership experience is awful. Long wait time for appointments and just duchy dealers. They are not willing to resolve any issues . The maintenance schedule is weird. Nothing luxury about it even though Genesis is considered a luxury brad for Hyundai. This is one of the reasons why I will turn in my car at the end of the lease and will not be coming back to Genesis.

The 340i is about 50K more expensive than the S60 in Australia.

@sunshadow9704

7 ай бұрын

odd. M340I costs 68K USD. Volvo S60 T8 63K USD. Only 5K gap.

@abcd_2000

2 ай бұрын

To match the Volvo in terms of technology and accessories, that 68k grows to 75k easily with all additional packages and accessories.

the heated seat buttons for the rear seat is probably in the center arm rest, I know that's where it is in the second gen genesis g80

In my country, the T8 is 70k USD and 95k for M340i. Which one would you take?

@kordaxmint533

Жыл бұрын

BMW all the way.

@sunshadow9704

7 ай бұрын

What country are you from? In USA, M340I costs 68K USD. Volvo S60 T8 63K USD. Only 5K gap.

No vw arteon In the group?

@gregkramer5588

Жыл бұрын

Arteon is slow and front wheel drive. Nice car but does not sell well. Likely dead shortly.

I4 has the exact same interior :p just slightly different graphics for instrument cluster/HUD

I drove both and bought the Volvo. It’s the best everyday driver hands down.

The real question is which one is more reliable? I heard Volvos are having issues with their plugin hybrid systems.....

@wl6279

Жыл бұрын

lol both cars are known to be unreliable, but if you know about cars like I do, anything is possible. It’s really all about understanding the science behind each brand and type of vehicle. Once you figure that out. 😆

@sledgedragon2677

4 ай бұрын

The Volvo is generally more reliable in the long term. The engine is VERY simple compared to the overengineered BMW engine, which makes it easier and cheaper to fix if things go wrong. The only problems I heard were happening were with the infotainment, which I've also heard have been ironed out in new models. The Volvo should last you AT LEAST 200k miles with no issues. I wouldn't be so sure about the BMW. They don't have the reputation for reliability or cheap repairs.

@NA0533

4 ай бұрын

@sledgedragon2677 I thought Volvo is using both turbo changer and supercharger in the same engines in some applications, which would make it more complex than BMW or Audi, no?

@sledgedragon2677

4 ай бұрын

@@NA0533 They scrapped the supercharger for 2023. It's just a single turbocharger now. It might actually be twin turbo'd but I'm not sure.

which one of these are faster?

@hyperbandit

Жыл бұрын

The BMW is faster 0-60 despite the Volvo having more power, simply because it's so much lighter. But highway the Volvo is a hair faster. But really both are so close you really couldn't tell without having them side-by-side.

Did you try to compare this metal box to the B58 monster

I’d take the Volvo over a BMW all day long.

@seanm3ify

Жыл бұрын

I guess you haven't driven the m340i. It truly is the perfect sports sedan.

@gregkramer5588

Жыл бұрын

@@seanm3ify The cost of maintenance on BMWs can be hard to stomach for value oriented people.

@seanm3ify

Жыл бұрын

@greg true, but I’m not sure how the modern Volvos compare long term. I do know that bmw is now ranked much higher than Volvo for initial quality, but I guess time will tell.

@kennethburton9165

Жыл бұрын

@@seanm3ify I haven’t driven the m340i but have driven a few other BMW’s. For me it’s not about how they drive it’s about how much money I’m giving to the mechanic every year. I’m on my fourth Volvo and they have been very good to me.

@emaadmirza

Жыл бұрын

@@gregkramer5588 put well. the bmw is definitely said to be sportier and more fun but many people confuse that to mean this volvo isnt. its the *only* car with this level of efficiency, luxury, and performance. and atop that, its extremely affordable for its class with that tax incentive that many buyers got it for. in terms of value, that volvo is well worth it and thats before the tax incentive, or before we even consider that the features and ergonomics on the car are also ahead of any of the germans.

BMW is reasonable with their options in comparison to Mercedes and Porsche.

Fact: Prices are NOT coming down anytime soon. They are in fact going UP on NEW vehicles. Opinion: BMW will hold its value longer. Suggestion: Buy a quality pre-owned. Better suggestion: Buy something you won't flip every 3-5 years and make it something with a low maintenance history. I do love BMW. But I would not pick this particular one. However, IF my only 2 choices in the world for a vehicle were these 2, I would take the BMW.

@jasonzhang7933

Жыл бұрын

Price will come down. Lower msrp for Volvo and manufacturers incentive for Bimmer. And don’t mix opinions with facts.

@Dwade32

2 ай бұрын

BMW holds no value. Stop lying. A hybrid, however, definitely does.

I've never seen an ugly SPA car. but I do wish they and everyone else would stop taking buttons from us.

@ronn68

Жыл бұрын

It feels like manufacturers are not listening to feedback about the buttons.

I wouldn't pay 60k-70k for either of these things should be like 45k

@emaadmirza

Жыл бұрын

60k is pretty much fully loaded for that volvo, considering the tax incentive that was available, 45k is about what most people spent before taxes etc.

@hyperbandit

Жыл бұрын

@@emaadmirza Yep, kind of crazy how cheap they were last year if you could find them. Sadly no more rebate due to the changes, but for the people who got them it was definitely the better option.

@AAhmad3449

Жыл бұрын

You’ll prolly pay $70k for a toyota

I think this is unfair because volvo has smaller engine of 2.0 while bmw has 3.0 So of engines were the same volvo would be much faster

I would take the bimmer of course lol. With the 340 you get ventilation but not with the 330, or the Volvo go figure lol 😆

@MikeMUFC91

Жыл бұрын

Just about everything on an M340i is an optional extra. Start adding the things you desire and you're quickly into high 60k range. Volvo offers more value in my opinion. Better looking car too.

@wl6279

Жыл бұрын

@@MikeMUFC91 lol yeah right you’re entitled to your opinion 😆 bimmer’s proven motor every time

@deletice

Жыл бұрын

@@wl6279 true but you’ll also see that engine a lot more in the shop

@wl6279

Жыл бұрын

@@deletice yeah I know about their reputation lol that’s why I don’t have one, and they’re overpriced compared to the competition.

These new Volvo sedans (3rd gen S60, S90) finally look like sharp and professional executive sedans. Squared off grill and clean body lines. Even ties over to the polestar 1 and looks great.

The bmw m340 eats this volvo for breakfast, and fuel economy, real world economy, is better. You can get 35mpg in a 400hp car . The b58 is amazing

@seanm3ify

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I was shocked how fuel efficient my m340i x drive is on the highway. Of course, If I’m driving aggressively it’s not great. But I can easily get mid to high 30s mpg cruising at 75 or 80mph. Crazy to get that from a nearly 400hp awd vehicle!

@hyperbandit

Жыл бұрын

Really depends on how you look at it. City driving even without charging the Volvo is so much better. Highway you can get similar numbers MPG to the BMW. But once you add in the electric option, it's really not a competition at that point, the Volvo wins hands down, especially for city.

@Dwade32

2 ай бұрын

No it is not better. What utter nonsense.

Give me the Volvo any day

@sunshadow9704

7 ай бұрын

Would you mind to articulate why you would go with Volvo vs BMW? I am on cross road turned between these two vehicles.

S60 is closer to a 5 series competitor though, rather than a 3 series. i know prices are similar, but like for like, the 3 series is more a competitor to the S/V40

@smithjones1906

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I really agree with that. I haven't driven the 3-Series, but I did drive the S60 and it doesn't feel like a huge car. According to Google, the wheelbase of the S60 is less than an inch larger (113.1″ vs 112.2″). Maybe if I drove the BMW I'd feel differently?

@coltauto22

Жыл бұрын

S40's unfortunately went out of production in 2012, and V40 production ended in 2019 globally.

@2Greenlid

6 ай бұрын

I disagree, the 5 series is much bigger

volvo dug its own grave. How could they possibly make 400 hp car limited to 185 km/h. It's a pity couse, in my opinion, the s60 is the most beatiful sedan nowdays. Nobody wuold buy a sporty car limited, it's ridiculous!! i'd prefer alfa giulia and bmw 3.

@zaarkeru3391

Жыл бұрын

How often do you drive at >185 km/h? And the 455 bhp is just a side effect is the new hybrid system

@andrealeone2661

Жыл бұрын

@@zaarkeru3391 Not very often but if you buy a car like that you'd like sometime to give it all out. otherwise you don't get a sporty car, you go fo suv

@zaarkeru3391

Жыл бұрын

@@andrealeone2661 Well, from driving the new s60 t8 recharge, i can tell you its not sporty xD Its a comfy cruiser, regardless how much volvo might want to believe its sporty. Its built for putting on that adaptive cruise and chill. The bmw is way superior as a sporty car, not even compareable. The analogy of the volvo would be that it is a european muscle car

@andrealeone6542

Жыл бұрын

@@zaarkeru3391 I agree. I drive S60 t5 and it's not limited. If I knew it was limited I wouldn't buy it. I'm sorry that my next new car won't be an other s 60 because of that

@stevensardar2835

Жыл бұрын

Easy to remove limiter

Mpge is a scam. Nobody gets that number in real life

Gimme the Volvo any day.

Too bad volvos are some of the worst cars money can buy, in terms of reliability

No question the M340i is superior in every way. Volvo should be embarrassed of there fwd offerings

The only comparison between these two cars is that they have 4 wheels and 4 four doors. 🤣

Volvo just doesn't do it for me. It might be nice but it's not for me.

Volvo is dead. It's just another low-quality Chinese brand now.

@anengineer_

Жыл бұрын

I live in Europe and I wish I could afford to buy one of these cheap "low" quality chinese car... Their quality is now way much higher than some US and europeans brands actually. Regards

@smithjones1906

Жыл бұрын

Have you driven a new S60? Didn't leave me thinking the brand was dead when I rented one for a week in West Palm Beach. Was a really nice vehicle.

@nukewiller4083

Жыл бұрын

@@anengineer_ Still not buying a Chinese brand.

@nev7991

Жыл бұрын

@@nukewiller4083 Volvo is a Swedish multinational company

@nukewiller4083

Жыл бұрын

@@nev7991 ...owned by Geely, a Chinese company.

The BMW M340i is a horrible selection buy an i4 m50 instead.

@chadreimer1617

Жыл бұрын

I love the i4 M50 and the M340i. Respectfully, I must disagree. I don’t think either is a bad choice.

The BMW is a much better car! Sorry Volvo. The B58 is the Swiss Scalpel of engines. Just German…. Lol

@seanm3ify

Жыл бұрын

Yep. The closed deck design makes these things so durable…people are getting crazy output numbers tuning the B58 engine

@Darthlichtus

Жыл бұрын

I own both a N55 and a B58. The B58 is far superior to the N55, and the N55 was and still is a great engine!

@ChaoticDave69

Жыл бұрын

Not even close , my xc60 makes a x5 look like trash . And I’ve owned both . Volvo is far superior to bmw

35k max for these....

@sunshadow9704

7 ай бұрын

you wish.....

I aint buying any sedan for 70K

I can't wait to see how the ionic 6 compares to cars like this. I bet more performance for 20k less money. The market is so upside down right now, EVs are really expensive or really cheap just depending on what you want to compare them to. Either way I couldn't imagine spending 60k plus for a plug in/hybrid In 2023, the only valid reason is you road trip 1000 miles every month IMO.

@gregkramer5588

Жыл бұрын

I believe the Ioniq 6 will be from about $45k-60k. A fair amount less. If I drove enough to justify it I would put one on order. But I am only about 7k miles per year.

@emaadmirza

Жыл бұрын

its not easy charging your car, a phev beidges the gap but I do agree that evs would suffice most peoples needs more than they can imagine. i would personally still pay that extra 45$ a month or so for the security from a phev over an ev for my personal life

@gregkramer5588

Жыл бұрын

@@emaadmirza It is very easy to charge a car if you have a garage

@spcneary

Жыл бұрын

@Emaad Mirza I own a PHEV, and a traditional hybrid, if I would have been more realistic with my use case I would have just bought a full EV instead of the hybrid. With a level 2 charger my PHEV goes from 0 battery range to full charge in about 3-4 hrs in my driveway.

@emaadmirza

Жыл бұрын

@@gregkramer5588 i charge my phev in the garage but when i have to do an important trip thats 150 miles each way its not possible, eapecially with urban areas charging 50cents/kwh… much more expensive than gas for my use case. many people i know have apartments or condos with no charging infrastructure. theres a marker for these for a reason and having a garage is luxury

bmw over china volvo

10k down about 890.00 per month 60 months for a great sedan. Where do I sign 😂😂😂🤢

@hyperbandit

Жыл бұрын

After tax and other fees, even with the longest loan, you'd be closer to $1k a month.