Honda keeps on keeping it real. Save the manuals.

@electrikoptik

2 жыл бұрын

In Mexico the Civic comes with Manuel.

@asdfTheGreat

Жыл бұрын

@@electrikoptik slavery is illegal in Mexico

Carlos is the only reason to subscribe to this channel.

I was all set to trade in my 2019 Si on the 2022 Si until I found out that the heated seats and fog lamps have been deleted and unavailable to install on the dealer level. Those two features were actually the deal breakers since I use those features often. Also knowing these features are STANDARD on the Sport Touring level pisses me off even more.

@ballmode

2 жыл бұрын

Integra standard features I'm betting

@mistamaog

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah they deleted features and increased the price. Aside from fuel economy, I can't see any reason to trade in my 2015 Si for this.

@icculus

2 жыл бұрын

The de-contenting of the Si is disappointing, and Sport Touring doesn’t give up much to the Si in terms of performance. Perhaps there’d be too much overlap if they kept all those features in the Si.

@captainjack6890

2 жыл бұрын

@@icculus "Not.much in terms of performance?" You don't consider LSD, 6 speed shifter from the 10th Gen Type R, tons of suspension improvements much?

@fuffthebucks7266

2 жыл бұрын

Deal breaker for me too

I love reviews with Carlos, my legit favorite!

They moderately de-contented it (no heated seats or adaptive dampers) while really significantly raising the price. If it wasn't so much more than the last gen I wouldn't be so upset. It's undeniably more handsome but I don't see why people are saying this is a good value anymore

@minyusun3907

2 жыл бұрын

Interestingly, Honda actually offers a lot more features for the Canadian model here, makes wonder what the heck they are thinking about...

@SpinachLeaf

2 жыл бұрын

@@minyusun3907 the adaptive damper really didnt make much of a difference at this level so having them didnt make sense they belong in the CTR where the difference between track and comfort are worlds apart. Honestly it just adds to the price which is what Honda wanted to avoid and I suspect that the American spec was supposed to have the heated seats and steering wheel but just avoided it do to chip shortages and how inflated the prices are on those parts pushing costs of cars up and shrinking profit margins. So since the American market is bigger than the Canadian market Honda pushes these cars on the canadian market where it gets colder and wait till Si's refresh when the chip shortage is over to add those in. But that remains to be seen...

@DroneStrike1776

2 жыл бұрын

I remember buying a brand new 2000 Civic Si for $17,000. I believe it was like 5-600 more than the EX version. It didn't even have ABS, which the EX had. Loved it. It was bare bones.

Holding on to my lightly modded FA5 for life. (18" OZ wheels, K&N Typhoon SRI, Invidia headers/exhaust, Hondata Tune, HID retrofit). That being said, I am still thrilled to see any vehicles like the '22 Si being offered at all. I believe the Civic Si from 2015 or earlier to be classics in the making. Still analog feeling with just the right amount of tech.

Road testing in winter. I don't miss THAT at all STILL ! Great review.

Keep up the Good work Carlos

Great review!! 🔥🔥🔥

Canada here… you’re getting screwed Carlos! We get ALL the features. 😀 I’m putting my order in soon.

@didafm

2 жыл бұрын

Wait for the Type R

@TML34

2 жыл бұрын

@@didafm I’m not sure I could daily the Type R, but maybe!

@ianandrews5988

2 жыл бұрын

Mine’s on order. Cheapest car I’ve bought in very long time. The reviews on the Si have been the main reason.

Honda and Toyota keep putting out awesome pure driver’s car, 80’s JDM vibe is back

@mikea5205

2 жыл бұрын

No it’s not.

I love that Carlos films around N Territorial

I love this car but I wish it had the 2.0t from the Accord. It would be perfect with like 40-60hp more than it has currently. Still a great car but a little underpowered for my taste.

@mikeb1039

2 жыл бұрын

How about 106 hp more? (the R)

@tephrex

2 жыл бұрын

Honda is too scared to give the si more power because they don’t want it to compete with their type r sales

@benedictl6716

2 жыл бұрын

@@tephrex which is weird, because they sell every single one they make with no problem

@mistamaog

2 жыл бұрын

Having that motor could definitely justify the price increase

@ChuiStrong

2 жыл бұрын

This comment... They have a Civic with the 2.0T. It's called the Type R...

Is this engine reliable if you keep stock or just stage 1 tune?

I had a 17 Si coupe and it was wonderful to driver on a daily basis, ride/handling was perfect, brakes were excellent, and the fuel economy was very good. The only thing that made me get something else was the engine didn't feel very exciting or special. It just sounded like an appliance. It's unfortunate because every other aspect of the car was so good.

Surprised it weight in under 3000lbs considering how big it is.

I appreciate the move towards a less edgy design, hopefully someday they'll make a complete return to the lovely, clean lines like the past millennium cars without all the silly "modern" design elements that get outdated within a couple of years.

Which rides better and has a less stiff ride a 2021 Si with active dampers or the 2022 Si?

I started driving manual 7 yrs ago in a Prelude. Im part of the save the manual club!

Just checked one out at a local dealership and they had a 15k market adjustment and 4k in dealer add-ons, so basically asking 48k for an SI. Yes, it's a great car if it came in under 30k, but virtually no dealerships in socal are charging at that rate. I can't imagine the markups on the new Type-R.

@UnitiveWILLIAM24

2 жыл бұрын

That is such an expensive price for this car. Ridiculous.

@user-nu1ci6ps2j

2 жыл бұрын

My song just got it for less than $34k. Still high but he couldn't get any less than 😔😔😔😔

@sagniksingha

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. The lowest I have seen is $33410 and that's pretttttty high for an SI marked at $28k. Not getting it right now. Not worth it presently.

They nailed the interior. I feel like the engine is too small. Probably needs the 2.0T. 240-250hp would be a sweet spot for that car.

@LanceEJones

8 ай бұрын

Dyno says it makes about 220 hp. It's also hella short geared so 0-60 takes three shifts. Definitely a momentum car.

Great review, amd a great car. So glad they only make it available with manual.

I see Carlos, I click video.

Beautiful car, so happy it's offered with a manual. But... no heated seats???

Premium gas to do 5-60mph in 7.6 seconds? No thanks

I have one is sonic grey pearl and the thing is a Beauty to drive I love the orange

Great car for sure but local dealers are jacking up the price with worthless dealer added equipment and "adjusted market value" mark ups. Most are second stickered at $36,000 plus. Give it a few months or preorder! Nice video.

I just want the manual V6 Accord Coupe brought back. The last Accord Coupe and the last V6 Accord was made in 2017.

My local dealer wants $40k for one that is on their lot. If anybody out there is paying that for a civic Si, please get help.

I looked at the Civic Si last fall before I purchased my Forte GT(manual.) I love my Forte GT and I feel like the only thing I'm missing out on is having a LSD but I saved some money on the price.

Sucks you can’t find one near me at 30k

Multiple consumer bought Civic SI dyno sheets say approx 200 *wheel* HP ( approx 230 ish crank HP). Car is underrated.

*Thank you*

"Less than 30 grand". Dealer: Hold my beer.

I click when I see Carlos.

I’ve only seen one here in the burbs of Wash DC. Surprised. There aren’t more

Nice review. It reminded me of Car and Driver decades ago when the feel and fit and finish were used to pick a winner over a something, like a Corvette, which had better performance numbers in virtually every category. Of course, this time the numbers are worse.

@ThePilotGear

2 жыл бұрын

honestly, who looks at performance figures anyway. It's how the car makes you feel when you drive it that matters most, imo.

@mikeb1039

2 жыл бұрын

Corvettes are never great cars to drive unless you're driving them at 7/10+

@cargogh

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePilotGearThat's true today when so many vehicles outperform my abilities. Yet, manual trans were downplayed to the point of extinction in supercars because autos were fractionally quicker. When I first subscribed to C&D in 1974 at age 11, the figures meant more. If your car could hit 0-60 in under 7 seconds, it was quick in '75. Manuals were almost always faster back then.

Freddie Prince Jr knows his stuff 🙃

Looks much nicer than the last generation.

@icculus

2 жыл бұрын

But also more generic.

A new generation of performance-oriented car that's SLOWER than its previous model is unforgiveable.

I can't get behind this car in the US for how much they neutered it versus the Canadian model with features.

@profmathers00

2 жыл бұрын

Had a reservation for the first 22 in my city, pulled it for that reason. Maybe they’ll offer a cold weather/convenience package that costs -$1500 next year…

@cliffordhaines6495

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously.... I hate most reviews don't call this out... This US si is not worth buying when the Canadian model has so much more. You're paying more for less than last 10th gen and people should not give this model a pass cause it looks new. I so wanted to get in this car from my 10gen but I won't give money to a brand that wants more money for less... For those who cry stuff cost more than make it a option. Reduce the price of this base trim civic and price a Canadian spec model for more...

@RAY_FILET

Жыл бұрын

But that's why I like it. I'd rather have one analog guage, so I can legally drive if I lose the OSD. Power/heated seats add weight and expensive to fix. Shift lights are kinda cool though...and that shift knob will warm your hand right up, if the sun hits it😆 no need for heated wheel.

I bought my 10th Gen Si for 22K OTD in May 2020 and it has all the features they took away from this one plus more

If you gave it a 10-15hp bump and give the heated seats as well as the fog lamps, I think there would be no complaining about this car as you see in the comments. The people asking for a big increase in HP need to remember this is a drivers car and not all about power

I tell ya ..that road salt they use in Detroit is yummy.. the new si is a great car.. took a test drive few weeks ago… fun car to fling around

Approved

Excellent review Carlos but f you put more passengers the 1.5 L turbo will stall😢

Good luck trying to find one at that price. Dealers are marking up new cars $10,000 or more. Crazy.

@ThePilotGear

2 жыл бұрын

Manufacturers should start selling directly to the public, imo. If anyone should be making a big cut, it should be the manufacturer who thought it up, designed it, tested it, debugged it, marketed it and built it.

Its a shame there isn't something like a fit with this power train, diff and even lighter/ smaller. They wouldn't do it for obvious reasons but it would be cool . The Civic is essentially an accord . It's pretty impressive it is less then 3k for a boat . 1.5 pushing a boat and still having a little poke seems impossible to somebody born in the late 60s but impressive as well if you can get past feeling like it shrunk your pens by 4.2 inches if your mind is used to 5,7 being an average small engine . I'm still not sold on tiny displacement and think it's a trick for govt standards that doesn't pay off in the real world and more about passing tests for govt and posting good peak or decent peak #s . I remember when the idea of a high performance engine being 2.0 was an idea I had trouble grasping even when seeing it sort of work in the early DSM cars , then the next rounded Eclipse and then the Evo which in stock trim was more about AWD and nit actually fast everywhere like a V8 or tricked you with the lag rush .

Driving the 2015. Shifter has always been the strongest point of this car.

Great news that Honda and Sony are teaming up to produce EVs.....a match made in heaven!

People are sleeping so hard on this car because it has 'only' 200 hp. Drive one and you'll understand. It is an absolute joy. It doesn't get any better this side of a GR86 or a Miata. And the Si is a hell of a lot more practical.

I think it's a clean design and no doubt this gen has its appeal to a great many, but I honestly like the lines (and features) of my 10th gen just fine. It may not be everyone's cup of tea as far as the body, but I am keen on it. The 11th gen looks like a smaller Accord. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but there's no confusing my Civic with an Accord.

Had one for a while … it was delightful but got rid of it for a GR86 since track season is approaching…. I’ll definitely get a CTR once available … but anyone who wants a really nice, affordable, practical, lightweight but large enough to be comfortable for someone 6’3” with kids, well featured and FUN street car the Si is an amazing choice. Looks great too.

Why do they not offer an SI version of the hatchback. The hatchback can be bought as a manual so offering the SI engine would not be a big effort. The sedan just looks like an old Accord. The type R is a $90K car aimed at VW Golf R buyers. If you wanted a sedan, the Kia stinger (just an Auto but paddle shifters) is about $37K. Nothing bar Golf R is a TypeR but you can get the 4WD 3.3L stinger for $55K and like the SI it has rear doors and rear seat space like the Stinger. For $59K you get Caddy Ct4-v Blackwing with manual and the upgraded twin turbo V6 plus rear seats for the kids or your jealous mates. Want an SI price- lots of them used and likely a CT4-V out there or perhaps even an older blackwing (or the famous V-wagon)

The Orange paint clashes with that weird red interior trust me….besides that car is a great commuter

The insurance price for my 2019 STI is crazy expensive, I priced it out on this and it’s almost $150 cheaper a month. Might have to grab one of these when the market calms down.

@gsxr1189

2 жыл бұрын

$150/month is more than I'm paying for full coverage on my C7 Z06.

@Derek_T

2 жыл бұрын

@@gsxr1189 for some reason WRX insurance in Colorado is extremely high. Lots of rich kids seem to crash them here…My Tacoma is only 75 a month.

@gsxr1189

2 жыл бұрын

@@Derek_T A Taco and an STI not too shabby sir well done. Got a Raptor and the Z06 myself.

Big mistake to drop heated seats. Looks bland. Adaptive dampers? Acura Integra pre-order opened today. Heated seats are there. Looks better as a hatchback. Longer than the Civic hatchback.

cool car, but it needs better brakes and to fix the rev hanging thing....and Civics are just getting too big. Oh how I wish Honda would re-introduce the Acura Integra. Now that was a great car.

@ALMX5DP

2 жыл бұрын

Acura is reintroducing the Integra, based on the Civic I believe.

@stevend3753

2 жыл бұрын

They did. You’re welcome.

@timomomomo969

2 жыл бұрын

Someone will write a tune to get rid of the rev hang, just like the last few generations. And then it’ll be perfect.

Looking at it now, the taillights are too big for the car. They are like accord sized.

It looks like an Accord.... The Civic used to be a small compact hatch/sedan.

Damn, If they put an NA motor in it I’d get it.

I love this thing. Sadly, my rein of manual cars will be coming to an end since the wife requires me to have an automatic daily driver in the driveway (at least I've got the Miata). But if that were different, the Si would have been my Mazda3's successor, hands down. It's gotten so much better than the previous gen Civic, much more handsome, and it's pretty much a midsize sedan anyway, so perfect for a 4-person family daily driver. I'm just surprised their press car comes with that orange paint, black rear trunk lip wing and black wheels. Not a fan at all about how that looks. I'd also be looking for 17s instead of 18s but other than that, what a perfect car.

The SI is much less of a value proposition now. Its de-contented and has a much higher price than the prior gen. I appreciate the more more mature styling on this gen but want the adaptive suspension back. This is a step backwards for Honda. I would go Elantra/Veloster N for not much more money and a much better driving car. This felt like an apology piece for Honda

its not 28k its 35k+😀

"A nice car to drive" was never what the Si was branded for. It was created as a performance car. Its not just a nice car to drive. Ill get an Accord for that. I want performance and it seems that the Si is just falling behind every other manufacturer again. A performance BRANDED car without the same performance, even suspension wise, as the previous generation which is cheaper. So once again, they have fallen into a don't buy this one, get the previous gen if you want a real Si, pit. I love the wait for the Type R comment. If you want power similar to that of a WRX which you can get now....just wait and pay even more for a Type R. Great advice.

@BkBk-gy6vr

2 жыл бұрын

Much better than last gen

Noooooo, the GR86 is a pure drivers car ;) but the Si is still a nice fun car for sure!

Honda keeps inching the price up and up, since its release.

Wait until you drive the Elantra N

What this really told me, get the previous generation

Always appreciate a manual!! #savethemanuals

Highest fun per mpg there is

I'd choose the brz/gr86 over the SI

@lamshao

2 жыл бұрын

Love to see the camera guy in the back seat of the GR86😜

@kgthegreatone943

2 жыл бұрын

@@lamshao You want a family car that's also sporty

@ThePilotGear

2 жыл бұрын

@@kgthegreatone943 I think more people need that versatility, and thus the Civic Si has a durable purpose. Although a 4-door BRZ would be incredible.

@CG-rb4xo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePilotGear I don’t understand why car companies don’t realize the potential of this. Think Porsche Panamera for an economy price. A four door brz would be outstanding.

Thanks Honda for trying to save the manuals

To bad dealerships are charging 10k over msrp!

Nice car but Not Enuff Power. Who wants to be Sporty?

Manual transmission all the way baby. #SavetheManuals

It's my responsibility to the American public to ask them to boycott the USDM Civic Si, until the Canadian spec Si is offered here, even if it's an optional trim level!!!

Honda really lacking these day no more high reving motors an these barely breaks 200hp I'll stick with my 8th gen the last true si

@icculus

2 жыл бұрын

I had an 8th gen Si, one of the best and most fun cars I’ve ever owned. Still miss it.

Honda cut some corners on the new Si. The upper door panels are hard plastic, no power drivers seat, no power or USB connections for rear passengers, and no engine temperature gauge in the instrument cluster, replaced with an IDIOT LIGHT ( come on Honda ).

Save the RWD too! Buy a BRZ/86 instead!

I test drove one I wasn’t impressed. Maybe I’m being to hard on it.

si😃

Honda dropped the ball on the si they keep selling underwhelming cars in a market that is wayyy to competitive the si hasn’t been good since it had a k engine in it imo other manufacturers have stepped up and with cars like the 86,veloster n,GTI,focus and fiesta st before they stopped making them were all out classing and outselling these new si Civics. Spent all the time focusing on the type r so it can sell above sticker like a mf and forgot all about the si that carried the weight before the type r came back

I can't take this vid seriously until you post your Google certificate that qualifies you to have an opinion

A better 'Si' at 1/3 the price, is a used 10th Gen Base Sedan with 6MT. It's a better setup for the racetrack, while the Turbo Si does well on the streets or for those who want to show off the straight-line potential.

@p.diocee8177

2 жыл бұрын

definitely not a better setup for the racetrack, considering that cars lack of LSD

I have to give credit to Honda, even though I’m not a fan of the brand. Ever since they started introducing turbos into their fleet, their cars have become so much better. Still sound like a tin can, but fun to drive finally.

It’s test results are a bit mixed? It’s BEST results barely match last years while in some it downright loses. In no metric is it a better performing machine then last years.

Lol the more mature looking SI is slower than it’s more sportier counterpart

@BigDonkMongo

2 жыл бұрын

makes sense

Dyno’d at 220

Would be a nice sporty car proposition if the body wasn’t so boring and sedan like.

New body style looks like a VW of some sort 🤢

😘😘

This car lacks power. It should have at least 225-240 hp

The car was better in previous generations, the type r has ruined the si for the american market. Some reviewers could be more honest and it looks like an accord now.

Like the paint color. Only 200 horsepower in 2022 is a joke tho.

@MrScoobieman

2 жыл бұрын

If you do some research, you’ll find out that Honda is sandbagging the numbers. It is actually making more horsepower than the 10th GEN

@ThePilotGear

2 жыл бұрын

200hp but it weighs 1,339 kg, so that's actually really nice. the struggle is producing more usable power, relevant to driving, while getting exceptional fuel economy AND exceeding emissions regulations for every applicable market. That's not something the older engines could do. Even in 2050, 200hp in 1,339 kg will be equally as nice.

#savethemanuals

Ahh, a manual. The car everyone wants but nobody will buy.

Not worth the price.

Looks like it still has rev hang 👎

excellent reveiw but slow passing car