Really cool, truly enjoyed, I love learning from you, thanks.

@ALXSHARPEN

3 ай бұрын

thanks

Damn that is beautiful. That scope view is 👌

A very good master class.

PG is a smart dude! I rarely put a microbevel on my own knives but it really goes extend the useful life of the edge. I keep ten Japanese knives in my work case (chef) and rotate through them, plus they're pretty high end steel which holds an edge well. Plus I like sharpening! But I sharpen knives for the cooks or if I do house knives I add a microbevel as the more obtuse edge will survive abuse better.

That’s a nice setup! I’ve got my bench full of that also. Blade grinding attachment, that 1 by 30 and wen wet dry sharpener. Lol I bought a separate mophorn motor for a convex diamond wheel 220 grit but not in stock at the moment.

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

I got a Mophorn I’m going to put on A 2x42 probably later today I’m going to convert the Bucktool knife sharpener to variable speed. I’m probably going to do it by adding a belt drive to the grinder side.

@robertmunguia250

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN sounds great! Would you make a video on that? Would be good to see.

I started focusing on sharpening my kitchen knives 6 or 7 years ago. Tried just about everything I though would work. Settled on a similar micro bevel, finished with a DMT Diamond ( Blue Course 325 mesh 45 Micron ) for an edge with a tooth. This seems ideal especially for cutting high density vegetables & other fresh foods. Not sure how well it cuts: paper, hair or string as those are not part of my diet currently. Best micro bevel angle seems to be dependent on blade steel & user skills.

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

How are you doing 45 micron by hand on a Leather strop or Nano cloth or a powered method?

@danielbottner7700

Жыл бұрын

​@@ALXSHARPEN The short answer is by hand. I am more concerned with how thick the knife is behind the cutting edge than the apex itself. The reason; in all my real world testing I find this factor reduces down-pressure required to cut fresh foods more than refining the apex to a specific angle or polish. DMT diamond (25 or 45 Micron) plate 2 to 4 strokes ( light pressure ) on each side, that's it. My personal knives are flat grinds with 0.006" to 0.008" behind the cutting edge& a single micro-bevel.

Wondering if you could show me how to do a hollow grind

I lurked a lot on the ChefTalk forums 8 years ago when I was collecting chef knives and sharpening just for friends and family. Lots of poster there swear by microbevels (mostly from food service professionals/knife nuts), particularly for harder steels in Japanese knives to reduce chipping.

That 1x30 machine is impressive!

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

I love it. I followed Cliff Curry's instructions and turned my old Harbor Freight 1x30 into one of my favorite tools I use it all the time. Here is his video on how to do it. I am considering making another one. Here is the link if you're interested kzread.info/dash/bejne/d6ugx9KFdZbAprQ.html

What I've been doing is grinding at 15 deg. and honing at +2 deg. with 5 micron on leather belt and then at exact angle with Tormek's compound. If it's very wear resistant steel, like ZDP-189, I'll only raise the honing angle by around .5 deg. I regularly get BESS scores in the 60-75 range and the whole process takes around 7 minutes. Grinding is on CBN wheels (180, 400, 1000). If the edge isn't damaged, or need reprofiling, I just use the 400 and 1000.

@daniel.rosina

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. You can make it even quicker with this "microbeveling" with cbn wheels. So do not keep the exact came angle when you switch between the cbn grinds. I use only two cbn wheels 200 (15 degrees) and 1200 (20 degrees). Both run on the same tormek maschine at the same time (i kicked out that slow leather stropping wheel and replaced it with the 1200 cbn one. Then stropping on speed spinning polishing wheel with 6 micron diamond compound and then also on the speed polishing wheel with 1 micron. Dull knife can be done in 1-2 minutes. Its all about how long you grind it on the 200 wheel (how much you push on it -> and you can push on it enough (very strongly) only if you run the wheel away from yourself (not towards you) and you need to sharpen freehand - only then you can push it hard enough)).

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

So is your second grind on the higher grit the same angle? Is this what you’re doing on let’s say Japanese knives? or anything that’s harder steels and probably doesn’t need a micro bevel like a western knife may benefit from. I tried the micro bevel on a Japanese knife that’s hard and it didn’t give me as low a score as this knife normally has on BESS but it was still in the razor sharp range but not double digits like normal. I am a fan of Tormek Paste it’s always worked great for me. On and leather belts I have used it on.

@BladeLabMiami

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN I usually do Japanese knives at 12 deg. I only grind at one angle and then deburr on belts at the higher angle. So for a high-hrc Japanese knife, I'd sharpen at 12 on both wheels, then deburr at 12.5 deg., and finish at the exact angle. With high vanadium steels I try to avoid using the Tormek paste and instead finish with 1 micron diamond and then plain leather.

@BladeLabMiami

Жыл бұрын

@@daniel.rosina I'll give that a try! I'm also running two CBN wheels on my T-8. I have the Schleif Junkies CBN wheels and I run them in water. No corrosion issues with those wheels.

@daniel.rosina

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN I do the second grind with 1200 under lower angle (15 deg). The "3D Anvil" does the second/third grind under same angle (which makes it slower in my opinion). Japanese knives are completely different story 🙂 They are worth hand sharpening on NANIWA Pro stones. I don't have that many Japanese knives, so it is ok for me to sharpen them manually. Only if they need some regrinding or are very dull or have a chip - then I take it on the 200 CBN and then finish the sharpening manually on Naniva Pro stones (400, 1000, 3000, 5000) + 1 micron diamond compound.

Hello what brand machine is your 30” strop belt sander with adjustable angle ? Where can I get ine

The burr is clearly visible on the microscope. and a high value of 160 grams indicates it. a clean edge will always give readings of 80 or lower.

Good video thanks! However, 169 Bess indicates that although the edge is apexed the burr has not been properly removed in the honing. If you micro bevel you still need to properly remove burr and the root. Micro bevelling is not the answer. Correct honing is the answer. 3Danvil approach is more like it. Honing at higher angles is not micro bevelling but removing the burr and it’s root. Then honing at exact angle to finally clean up that edge. I would be very disappointed with Bess 169. I would be content wit sub 100 for a ‘quick’ method.

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

Interesting I do agree that honing is the key to amazing knife sharpening and that the Tormek Hones just don’t do it well enough or fast enough I’m not sure how you have determined that a 169 BESS on a 20 degree micro bevel is an indication that the burr is still there I would probably agree if the angle was just a straight 15 degrees I would hope to see double digits but if you where to grind a normal 20 degrees angle IMO 169 would be an excellent BESS score and would not be an indication of a burr still present. But I will have to test more to determine. I have only tested this on a few knives so far but I have not yet seen one in double digits with a Micro bevel of 20 degrees. I will make some adjustments in my honing and try the +2 angle for the hone and the going back and cleaning up the edge at the original angle as well and let you all know what happens.

@daniel.rosina

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN this is very interesting comment. I do not have a burr on the knives within this microbeveling method, because I always deburr by cutting vouple of times into wooden stick (after each CBN wheel). I need to admit that it removes the burr drastically, which may cause dulling the apex a bit... so the stropping with a bit higher angle can be very beneficial (not only for deburring, but also for sharpening the apex a bit).

@daniel.rosina

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN I am still wondering if this "highering the angle method" can be improved by the tormek's japanese 4000 stone. I mean I've heard that this stone does not create nearly any burr. Therefore it can be the best stone for microbeveling before stropping. I don't own that stone unfortunately and it is quite expensive for me. So I cannot test it, maybe you can... My proposal for the process would be: 1) 200 (or 400) CBN -> 15 degree angle 2) 1000 (or 1200) CBN -> 18 degree angle 3) 4000 japanese stone running in water on different machine (e.g. on WEN) -> 20 degrees 4) stropping only on 1 micron diamond compound under 20 degrees would be enough. (There would be nearly no burr from that japanese stone)

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

@@daniel.rosina I have considered adding another Tormek T-8 if I do I will definitely do the test I tried the WEN but I didn’t get a very good unit because my initial thought was to use it for the Japanese stone full time. I did not like the way mine ran at all and the leather pealed off the hone so I returned it. Also would be nice for when I do run my Tormek Diamond 💎 stones to have two going at the same time and just swap the angle guide over although that wouldn’t help on the Japanese stone unless it was the same diameter which mine probably still is since I have not used it a lot. If I see no shiny reflection on the apex in normal lighting and under the scope I have found that to be a pretty good indicator that the burr is gone. But maybe there is more that can be done. I do know I still like a knife to have some grab and I have over polished edges and taken a knife to a mirror edge but then not liked how it cut. I have done this on my wicked edge but then I go back and put a ruff micro bevel on a high mirrored knife to improve its cutting and you don’t see the ruff micro bevel because it’s so small I don’t even know if it’s even appropriate to call it a micro bevel because it’s just a few light strokes of 600 or 800 just to give it some bite back it’s not a visible angle 📐 change like the 15-20 that you can see easily under the scope it maybe .5 to 1 degree and very light

@slavaartyukh4075

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN try Bucktool 10in wet shattered instead of WEN, it's new machine and may work better then other clones

Psi motor is great also.

You recommend a bushing or spacer on the CBN wheel? Seems like it fits perfectly without any bushing on the 1/2 in arbor.

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

Yes no need for anything on the Tormek all my CBN wheels fit perfectly

@robertmunguia250

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN I was surprised it fit with no problem. Didn’t have to add a spacer to it.

Yes nice 1 by 30. I followed his video and did mine consew motor is nice. Is that a cbn wheel? I have a WEN wet and dry sharpener.

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

Yes I have 3 CBN wheels 400,600,1000 love them.

@robertmunguia250

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN wow! That’s great. I wonder if it will fit the WEN?

Is it just me, or does it seem like putting the initial bevel at 15* make the "spine" of the blade (at least at the cutting edge) thinner, and lend itself to a sharper edge when the final bevel is cut at 20* than it would if you just did a 20* angle for the entire cutting edge/apex?

@ALXSHARPEN

6 ай бұрын

I found it to be sharper. I assume the 20 gives a longer retention time but this is not something i do on a regular basis. I just wanted to test it because a sharpener I know does this on all knives he sharpens.

@DetailedbyDon

6 ай бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN My custom designed angle guides SHOULD be done tomorrow (1-22-24). I'm having 17* and 25* guides made. The 17 is intended for light duty/slicing and the 25 for heavy duty (think machete), BUT ... I'm an incurable experimenter, so who knows?

wwhat microscope is that bud im looking for something not too expensive like yours to see the bevel and microbevel when I sharpen? I would be grateful if you can direct me to a good microscope

@ALXSHARPEN

Ай бұрын

I just reviewed one for the last few weeks and it’s good have a video coming out in the next day or two and they gave me a discount code for the followers of my channel

@nikobobich9726

Ай бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN nice bro I'm going to wait for the video and discount code I don't need anything fancy I just need something around 50 to 100 bucks that sees it all and can hold in my hand connect to my 1440p monitor and computer or phone when needed.. the overkill microscopes aren't needed

What rpm are you using to strop?

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

On the Consue 1400-1900 I find works really great for both sharpening and Stropping I like 1400 for stropping and 1900 for sharpening. I have my top Speed set at 1900

@robertmunguia250

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN What cbn wheel would work on a WEN sharpening wet dry machine? Size?

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmunguia250 any of the Wood Turner’s wonders Spartan wheels for the Tormek will work on your WEN check the last link in my description. They are fantastic and really affordable.

@robertmunguia250

Жыл бұрын

@@ALXSHARPEN ok sir thank you for your help.

@ALXSHARPEN

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmunguia250 see my last link in the description any Spartan wheel from Wood Turner’s Wonders I added a link directly to the tormek CBN wheels