Lmao…”Don’t you have anything better to do?” Every hero should ask their villains that simple question.

@7michaelwright

2 жыл бұрын

Lol esp Batman should ask Joker this

@Gration_

2 жыл бұрын

@@7michaelwright The joker has been asked this question a variety of ways, and he always comes back with "No, bitch, you complete me. This a shotgun wedding MFer" and then he proceeds to kill SOMEONE ELSE

@Cosmicmorales

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gration_ nah Joker would be like “Let’s face it bats, you and I are both crazy. You’re a man in a fursuit after all..”

@Gration_

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cosmicmorales It's like you didn't get that I was adlibbing what the joker practically says, and not going for something he would actually say.

@agentcooper194

2 жыл бұрын

That brings up a question - If Joker WAS in the CW DC shows, how would Flash, Superman, Supergirl, Black lighting, and Batwoman react to him and his chaotic madness? Sorry, I just think it's an interesting question to think about

It’s really cool how Barry’s interactions with Thawne show how he’s grown as a character over the show; compare this to when he talked to Thawne in the season 1 finale. He’s a lot less emotional and seems to have completely lost his fear of him. He doesn’t even bring up Thawne killing his mother, he’s just focused on the situation at hand.

@AlunethMaster

2 жыл бұрын

i mean... the characters sometimes look so fed up with the whole multiflashpointversetimetravel :/

@ednacamilo4918

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Doctor_Dank

2 жыл бұрын

Crazy how much time changes you huh? 😉

@SupremeKaiRich

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I said! At first, Barry hated Thawne and always acted on emotion. Hell, he almost beat him to death in Season 2. Now he’s matured and it shows here.

@ivnoormann7151

2 жыл бұрын

Oliver would be proud

1:46 "Only a sociopath would react to something so small with that kind of rage" that's a damn good line

@jacek107ify

2 жыл бұрын

I mean Flash CW has always been pg13 saturday morning cartoon. So its obvious that main villain would be like typical saturday morning cartoon villain. While he has motivation its very petty......

@jaccetaylor3672

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacek107ify his reason isn’t much better in the comics the reverse flash is basically a super fan of flash and when he saw Barry hanging out with someone else he freaks the fuck out so it’s damn near the same motivation as the source

@tobsonasanya4765

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacek107ify what do you mean lol do you not know who reverse flash is

@morbius1273

2 жыл бұрын

Remember in the animated movie of Flashpoint batman said thawne was a clinical sociopath that has a knack for getting under one's skin

@minekurtmininer216

2 жыл бұрын

1:53 "what you call rage I call commitment" that's the damn best line

Thawne’s level of pettiness is legendary

@The-mcnuggit-man

Жыл бұрын

It was me Barry

@williamwebb1786

Жыл бұрын

Lex Luther is pettier

@vaughnsoso4849

Жыл бұрын

OG Broly would like to compete

@deadpooldan9862

Жыл бұрын

@@williamwebb1786 Lex Luthor actually sees Superman as a threat to humanity, while Thawne’s entire motivation is literally just a petty fanboy overreacting to his idol saving people he wanted to save. Thawne literally killed his mother just because Barry outshone him in one moment

@kerbalscuffedprogram4705

Жыл бұрын

My pettiness is beyond your understanding.

I love how thawne is so confident in Barry’s kindness that he literally threatens him still knowing he’s not gonna let him die

@SkinnyNugget

2 жыл бұрын

i mean he literally can't die, he's immortal. he's a living paradox

@alexanderthered5603

2 жыл бұрын

@@SkinnyNugget In this episode he could have.

@baligong3592

2 жыл бұрын

@@SkinnyNugget The reason he went to talk to Barry is because he was going to suffer a Permanent Death

@SkinnyNugget

2 жыл бұрын

@@baligong3592 ohh, alright, i haven't watched cw flash in a while thanks for explaining

@burundianfamily2982

2 жыл бұрын

@@baligong3592 I wonder what face ill be wearing the next time we meet..flash

Thawne literally hates Barry because he stole Thawne's "Thunder"

@lobardodelainternet4253

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine if Thawne decided to sue Barry instead of killing him. Everything could've been so different.

@soloidc

2 жыл бұрын

lmao more like he stole is "lightning"

@AndrewUchiha4747

2 жыл бұрын

Terrible villain And knowing him, he probably set up that disaster

@JYang0602

2 жыл бұрын

Shocking

@lycansamourai4704

2 жыл бұрын

For real I was like "Is that it?"

I love how perfectly petty this motivation is, because i genuinely think if Thawne had a reasonable motivation it would have damaged his character. This shows you just how lost he is, it shows how no matter how many villains the flash can change Thawne will never, ever be reachable.

@chuckfinnly5074

2 жыл бұрын

well said

@raymondguzman5083

Жыл бұрын

Kinda like batman and the joker

@cunningsmile4166

Жыл бұрын

Well how would you feel being seen as second best? Always told you were an imposter to the person who stole your moment?

@dmoneyswagg64

Жыл бұрын

@@cunningsmile4166 “stole your moment” is the very problem. He was so upset that he lost the fame from saving people he didn’t even think, “let me go save someone else”. He literally went back in time ruin the guys life. He feels smited over something that barely happened

@davidtucker9498

Жыл бұрын

@@raymondguzman5083 No, no, not really... Actually, it's absolutely nothing like them.

I actually love this motivation. Not every villain needs to be some grand visionary or some well-intended extremist or some agent of chaos who wants to destroy everything for kicks. There are people who are just so petty, insecure, and narrow-minded that they take any minor slight as reason enough to go off the deep end. They don't need a tragic backstory or the be the product of some failed system. It actually makes for a villain who is just as interesting because everything they do is their own choice. There's no "if only X happened, then he wouldn't be a villain" here. No, even if Barry went back and somehow allowed Thawne's presentation go off the way he wanted it, Thawne would STILL find some offense or take some comment Barry said the wrong way and we'd be back to where we are now. "Don't you have anything else to do?" Is always the perfect response to this kind of villain.

@giosy0072

Жыл бұрын

What if Barry didn't show up at all? What if he hadn't moved forward in time?

@CJ-442

4 ай бұрын

@@giosy0072 - Considering how fragile Thawne’s ego apparently is, he’d most likely have ended up as some sort of power-hungry despot within the first month or so of his “heroic” debut.

Pointing this out, in the comics thawne hated flash cause he realise he is a nobody to barry. He admired the flash in the future and wanted to become him, then after having a reality check by barry, thawne sought out to show barry how he changed only to realise he meant nothing to barry and what broke him was finding out that he is the flash’s greatest enemy, the whole reason as to why thawne fought barry was that it was the only way he could spend time with his idol

@benedictdsouza4520

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah lol that was his latest comic origin before he got reset by Barry finally

@srstriker6420

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know if that’s sad as the Blower hat guy from Meet the Robinsons?

@therenegade4482

2 жыл бұрын

Benedict D’Souza wan’t more on reset, more on he was locked in time. Since after flash point eobard wasn’t the reverse flash cause he didn’t exist, he was outside the timeline when flash point happened so since everyone’s backstory and character got changed the reverse flash as eobard wouldn’t exist

@tpsposts6825

2 жыл бұрын

this is electro from TASM 2 (just way more sciopathstic in tasm) but somehow that character gets mad hate

@therenegade4482

2 жыл бұрын

EasterBurn well no cause right after thawne found out his destiny, i mean imagine wanting to be a hero, meeting your idol and changing your ways to be a hero, going back in time to show your idol you changed only to realise you don’t matter to him and find out your suppose to be your idols greatest enemy

I like how Thawne’s origin is somewhat similar to the comics. In the comics he created accidents that would put people in danger in order for him to save them and make himself look like the hero. But once Barry found out Thawne was doing so he put an end to the fake heroic acts. Glad the writers were able to make Thawne’s origin similar as everyone has been commenting for years that they’ve never gone over his origins (which is true)

@oumarsow7614

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah sounds like comic book accurate but we know Thawne maybe lying and like what you said create those accidents.

@Cosmicmorales

2 жыл бұрын

Yea

@garythepartyrocker7613

2 жыл бұрын

Facts bro I love thawnes origin in the comics it’s one of the best. He hated the flash because he couldn’t be him so he was destroyed mentally.

@Cosmicmorales

2 жыл бұрын

@@garythepartyrocker7613 barry even realizes this back in s2

@devinbrown6650

2 жыл бұрын

They did already referenced his origin with Matt's Reverse Flash. He replicate the incident that gave Barry speed & "This ability to travel through time revealed the truth"

“Don’t you have anything better to do” that’s a question every hero should ask their villain

@primalvelocity3811

Жыл бұрын

Then the villain hits them with the "No."

@danielcesar664

12 сағат бұрын

Spiderman asked a doctor why is he turning people imto dinasours instead of just curing cancer and he said he didnt want to cure cancer he just wants to turn people into dinosaurios

1:46 Your so right Barry. No one must overreact over the smallest things.

He had balls to still tell him that he's gonna try to kill after saving his life 😭😭

@DingleDut

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂 good ol thawne. His writing has always been 100%

@johnkane3240

2 жыл бұрын

And his suit looks like it has trouble containing them.

@eobardthawn6903

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnkane3240 His suit is great imo. He looks like he's in his prime, and he looks badass same with Barry without the cowl. Same with Bruce Wayne, Hero's usually look better without the mask.

@johnkane3240

2 жыл бұрын

@@eobardthawn6903 I was zeroing in on the not-inconsequential bulge, but yes, the suit is whatever.

@bsrussian

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnkane3240 yk hes packing

you can tell Grant Gustin is actually enjoying this scene with his acting, like he finally gets to do what he and a lot of the fans wanted, some PROPER story writing.

@eobardthawn6903

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, they have been doing actually fucking well for once. What? Armageddon was supposed to be a shitty crossover, yet, the writings been at its peak. Actual stakes. Good dialogue. Good shot variety, magnificent lighting. A decent villian.

@ianjohnson1912

2 жыл бұрын

Nice pfp

@eobardthawn6903

2 жыл бұрын

@X-777 I also liked when Barry gained enhanced intellectual abilities( which he always should have had) and turned into an apathetic cunning speedster. However, they undid that one faster then Barry himself.

@kakarotuchiha8662

2 жыл бұрын

@@eobardthawn6903 Right?! Like was this so hard for them to do 4 season ago?

@eobardthawn6903

2 жыл бұрын

@@kouroshm1 He already was a genius, that was established in the beginning. Sure, he shouldn't be THAT OP, but having him being outbrained is quite dumb. IQ is how fast you can learn right, his speedster abilities would amplify that by 1000. One day Cisco is smarter, after a few hours he would surpass him. That shouldn't happen, but with competent writing it would. Same with Batman, he shouldn't be as intelligent. Still, honestly I'm fine with how they don't do that. Cyborg should also be smarter then Batman, due to being ingrained with an AI brain that can function thousands of times faster then humans.

God I love this scene, going back all those seasons to answer a question we never got a fully clear answer too, and a satisfying one that makes Thawne petty and crazy, and the growth since the last time they had a conversation like this were Barry doesn’t even mention his mom showing he’s grown. Just 👌

@immortalfrieza

2 жыл бұрын

We did get an answer, and it was even more petty and crazy than this. Barry has asked Thawne why he hates him before and he said became The Flash's enemy because he went back and found out that he becomes the Flash's enemy. In other words, Thawne is the Flash's enemy because he's the Flash's enemy.

Bro couldnt find another crowd to save, bro had to become an ultra villain

The show becomes elite when these two are together on screen. Such a complicated, twisted dynamic together. The truest definition of love/hate.

@BattleBondGamer

2 жыл бұрын

doesn't change the fact that the whole thing after season 3 ended was dogshit

@yaminahharoon37

2 жыл бұрын

😈👿

@juliansummers5983

2 жыл бұрын

But mostly hate

@BattleBondGamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@juliansummers5983 just like our feelings to this show ever since season 3 ended

@MiguelRodriguez-dk2ds

Жыл бұрын

@@juliansummers5983 Flash=Paragon of love Reverse Flash:Paragon of *hate*

Love how his origin story is still close to how it originally happened in the comics. It was basically a "never meet your heroes" kind of origin

@arsyam_7

8 ай бұрын

Like Mr. Incredibles and Syndrome too, I guess?

@Prinygod

8 ай бұрын

​​@@arsyam_7 more like never meet your fans, iirc thawn was putting people into danger in order to save them. When flash caught him he promised to be an actual hero if flash kept his secret but flash refused. Considering Thawns personality he was unlikely to follow through on his promise, though arguably had flash agreed Thawn would not try to mess with him. Though op might be referring to a different origin I'm not as familiar with

I think Thawn still does admire Berry in a way, and the reason I think that is because even though he hates Barry, you got to remember who used to help Barry in season 1, and admitted that you could kill him if you really wanted to but he wants to see him grow, he could have come up with a different plan to go home and I think that's the reason she still does what he does is so that he can have a reason to be connected to a The Flash in any way shape or form not out of hatred, put out of admiration, keep in mind though he is a little bit crazy, considering that the only way he knows how to still be connected with the Flash, is to be the man that is his arch-nemesis there is a fine line between love and hate and I think that was the area between that line that's were Thawn thrives, it differs from moment to moment

@AyoooKai

Күн бұрын

I agree 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Thawne has been erased from the timeline so many times by now and somehow he’s still around

@immortalfrieza

2 жыл бұрын

At this point the writers haven't even bothered to explain how Thawne keeps coming back for most of them, he just gets erased or dies over and over and then comes back with zero explanation.

@tayc9542

2 жыл бұрын

He is a time paradox

If only Matt would have played Thawne again and did this. But at least this truly gives us the true main reason why he hates Barry and ended up killing his mother cause he ruined his chance to be like him

@Cgo952

2 жыл бұрын

Es cierto

@danielcantu4035

2 жыл бұрын

I know I love Matt as reverse flash more

@albnorragibi

2 жыл бұрын

Now that they have mentioned how they first met, they HAVE TO do it in the near future before the show ends, and for that they'll have to use Matt. Hopefully it happens during this season or at least the next one.

@ii_Urameshi

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not possible because they’re two different reverse flashes from different points in time.

@demontiming3234

2 жыл бұрын

@@ii_Urameshi yes it is possible, they could have just had this one die or something then another on come in as Matt. Or just have this one regain his normal body look

I agree with everyone that Matt Lescher Reverse Flash would have been cooler. I love Tom Cavanagh and season 1 potrayal of RF, but Matt shows the psychopathy more. "NOW WHO'S THE VILLIAN FLASH?"

@Lopez03Eduardo.

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly wish he could return

@gaboxtlof

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah much better AND he Is blonde haha

@ScoobyandShaggy5554

2 жыл бұрын

Same, why wasn’t he asked back? Do they really need toms face every season

@BenJamin-0707

2 жыл бұрын

cuz he is the rf not wells even since season 1. i’ve always seen him more as the right look

@azyordanm

2 жыл бұрын

Thawne said it self he rather like harryson wells's face than his own,

Did anyone else find it extremely odd how Joe reacted to their decision on thus matter? He's the same guy that saw Thawte and immediately let off 3 round no questions asked but when Barry wanted to choose not to save him (which was very thoroughly justified) he throws a fit and says he's going to lose him as family? That scene blew my mind

@AyoooKai

Күн бұрын

I was definitely pissed at him like the writers be forgetting Shii smh

@tavonmccall1155

Күн бұрын

@@AyoooKai like yo come on. After all this nigga did you're fighting for him? And giving Barry that type of ultimatum? Why?

Eobard was written so brilliantly in the first season, coded really well as Barry's abusive father. As portrayed in season one, Thawne is a sociopathic narcissist who self actualizes by asserting control over the lives of those he professes to care about, leveraging power over them through both his speed and their love for him. Fantastically written not only as a villain who hates the hero, but as an abuser who is toxically dependent on his victim. It's very similar to Joker and Batman's toxic relationship, but with a more parental dynamic. Even more screwed up is that Thawne has traveled through time to become the architect of the defining moments of Barry's life. In season one, he and team flash are codependent, the perfect environment for him to self actualize as the puppetmaster of the season. Nowhere is this better expressed than in his final line: *"I've controlled your life for so long, Barry. How will you get along without me?"* Thawne's narcissistic need to control their lives ended with him being erased from their lives altogether. It was a *perfect* ending. But, if they were going to bring him back, they could have done more with this theme. As team Flash outgrows Thawne throughout the show, it should expose what a miserable and pathetic person he is - just like all abusers. That's why he doesn't actually want to "go home" as he liked to claim in the first season. Because abusers don't know how to be happy. And rather than seek rehabilitation, Thawne chases the closest thing to love and happiness he can understand: controlling Barry's life. This show reinterpreted the Reverse Flash as Barry's abusive father, and it was absolutely *brilliant.* Easily the best written villain in any of the CW shows, and frankly most superhero media in general. And now, they are writing him as a generic arch nemesis who hates Barry because he got jealous that Barry was more popular. It's depressing, man.

@vikashsasikumar6437

Жыл бұрын

I think they do this. In the end of season 7, Barry finally becomes faster than him. Once that happens, Thawne is no longer this confident and scheming villain, he becomes petty, and desperate; due to how Barry is faster, and Thawne can control him anymore. In an attempt to take that control back, Thawne uses his superior knowledge of being a speedster and being able to manipulate the timeline to get what he wants and creates the Reverse Flashpoint change Barry's and his life to make Barry the villain. He once again fails, and he loses that control. Then he goes to Barry for help to show that he still has control (Thawne knows that he can still get Barry to help him even after everything Thawne has done to Barry.) In the end of Armageddon, Barry takes his speed (the only thing he knows can still control Barry even if Barry is Faster (AKA how he used it to create Armageddon).) And once loses his speed and has no other way to control and ruin Barry's life, he has a temper tantrum and becomes completely pathetic I know that a lot of Fanboys hated that, but I really like how the end of season 7 and Armageddon showed how, in reality, Thawne is pathetic and only has the facade of being a confident and scheming villain when he has control over Barry.

This is basically a watered down version of Thawne's origin in the comics, but it's still kind of interesting. In the comics, Thawne's origin invokes sympathy for him, but here, like Barry said, he's just a sociopath from the beginning. For context, in the comics, Thawne was an orphan, and he grew up feeling that the only good thing he had in his life was The Flash. The Flash was the hero he looked up to and the person he aspired to be someday. He manages to find a time capsule with The Flash's costume, which he uses to give himself powers (he does this by analyzing the residual amounts of Speed Force energy on the suit). After recreating the accident that turned Barry into The Flash and becoming a speedster, Thawne decides that he wanted to _be_ The Flash of the 25th century. The problem is, by the 25th century, crime had all but been eradicated. So instead, Thawne created "opportunities" for him to be a hero by putting people in danger, then saving them. Thawne honestly believed that he was honoring The Flash's legacy by doing this, not realizing how messed up it was. The people, not realizing that Thawne was one causing the danger, embraced him as The Flash of the 25th century. Cut to one day when The Flash (Barry Allen) himself time travels to the 25th century where Thawne lives, while testing the limits of his powers with regards to time travel (the tests are done using the Cosmic Treadmill). Barry had wanted to visit the future, since he really like Science Fiction (it was something he had in common with his mother). Thawne meets Barry and introduces himself as his biggest fan. I should note that, by this point, Barry hasn't solved his mother's murder case and doesn't know who really killed her. Upon meeting Thawne, Barry is honored and pretty much instantly acknowledges Thawne as The Flash of this time period, which Thawne sees as a blessing. Barry even offers to teach Thawne the ropes of how to use his powers to save people. This was everything Thawne had ever wanted and more. The two become good friends within the span of a single day. There's a moment where Thawne is trying to express his gratitude towards Barry, and trying to tell him that he wishes they had gotten to spend more time together, but can't seem to find the right words. Barry then puts the words together for him, saying "Every second is a gift." Thawne immediately replies, "That's it. Exactly." This will be important later on. As for Thawne, this was the happiest day of his life. To him, Barry Allen wasn't just a hero, but a true friend. Barry and Thawne continue to save people, with Barry not knowing that Thawne himself was the one creating dangerous situations for them to save people from. Unfortunately for Thawne, Barry catches on to what Thawne was doing and the two have a falling out. Barry sends Thawne to prison for all the disasters he caused. Thawne promises to get better and become the kind of hero that he'd be proud of. He realizes that what he'd done was wrong and dedicates his life to helping others. Thawne does his time in prison, gets therapy, and even teaches classes for the other inmates. He furthers his education during this time, to the level of a professor (specializing in history, particularly with regards to The Flash). He eventually convinces the authorities that he could be a more productive member of society as an educator. He starts to work at The Flash Museum as a professor, teaching people about The Flash's history. By this point, Thawne is no longer mentally ill and is actually a decent, normal person with a good moral compass. He works his way up the ladder and eventually becomes curator of The Flash Museum. It's around this time that Thawne decides that he's been rehabilitated enough to go see Barry again, in hopes of mending their friendship. Thawne makes a new costume that isn't red, because he feels that he hasn't _earned_ the right to call himself The Flash again. Instead, he wears a yellow costume, as that's what The Flash's _partners_ all wore (referring to the Kid Flash costume). He then travels back in time to the 21st century. One day, Barry's at the graduation ceremony of his nephew (Wally West) and gives Wally a watch as a gift. The watch has the phrase "Every second is a gift" engraved on its backside, which Barry tells Wally as he gives him the gift. Thawne sees this takes place and comes to the conclusion that Barry was a fake, superficial person, who says that line to everyone. He concludes that their friendship had been a complete lie. Thawne feels as if he'd been betrayed by his hero and runs back to the 25th century, completely devastated by what he'd just discovered. Barry had been the only real friend that Thawne ever had, only for Thawne to realize that Barry didn't actually care about him. He succumbs to despair and decides that he's going to spend the rest of his life making Barry feel just as broken as he felt. The next time Thawne meets Barry, he calls himself The Reverse-Flash, as he intends to be remembered as The Flash's greatest enemy.

@RoninBgk

2 жыл бұрын

WOW. That's deep

@afrobuddy4801

2 жыл бұрын

lol, that's petty af. Might take the cake as the dumbest villain motivation or trigger

@RoninBgk

2 жыл бұрын

@@afrobuddy4801 fair

@oceanicking8988

2 жыл бұрын

@@afrobuddy4801 That's literally Thawne's character. He's if being petty was a person.

@jackpott3402

2 жыл бұрын

Sympathy? He was an orphan because killed his parents and brother via time travel.

If only it was Matt Letscher saying all of this in this crossover

@lorenzdecena

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@uchechukwuibeji5532

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@rikrik4181

2 жыл бұрын

No

@lorenzdecena

2 жыл бұрын

@@rikrik4181 he's the original Eobard Thawne

@albnorragibi

2 жыл бұрын

Now that they have mentioned how they first met, they HAVE TO do it in the near future before the show ends, and for that they'll have to use Matt. Hopefully it happens during this season or at least the next one.

"What you call rage i call commitment"

A lot of people forget (or may not know) that in Eobard’s time period crime/disasters are a rare occurrence. He wasn’t exaggerating when he said Flash stole his moment.

@zarrarpeshimam1736

2 ай бұрын

Not to mention, in the man in yellow tie Barry was about to imprison an innocent thawn, just because of his future self

Things like this reminder me why I love this show serious season 1 vibes from this scene

@JonJon22505

2 жыл бұрын

They’re saving the flash 😭 definitely thought this show was DEAD after the past couple of seasons

@brandondandmountford2272

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonJon22505 after the last few seasons same

@Kabbun

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonJon22505 Buddy, this a crossover, the crossovers usually have better writing that the normal seasons

@theyokester3541

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kabbun yeah but Crisis on Infinite Earths sucked sooo idk

@jagatheeldest5786

2 жыл бұрын

This show blows...I stopped watching the weekly Iris cry fest after season two.

Now, It makes total sense. Even though Thawne tried to be a hero, he is still in the Flash's shadows for the rest of his life, so he come up in a solution with a vengeance....

@Introvertsan

2 жыл бұрын

It makes him a sore loser and jealous

@Lightingwarrior

2 жыл бұрын

@@Introvertsan It makes him small minded and petty

@geraldjames7719

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lightingwarrior sociopathic and insane.

@yutaoGOATsu236

2 жыл бұрын

@@Introvertsan thats basically reverse flash whole character in the comics basically

@Introvertsan

2 жыл бұрын

@@yutaoGOATsu236 I know, he is even more annoying in the comic books 🤣😂

For those who don't read the comics. Thawne was Barry's biggest fan in the 25th century, so much so he gave himself superspeed and plastic surgery to make him just like his hero. He went back in time to meet the Flash, maybe even become his partner, but time travel disoriented him. He learned that Barry was destined to kill the Reverse Flash and while unknown in the 25th century, the 20th century knew the Reverse Flash was Eobard Thawne. He snapped...even believing himself to be Barry for a bit, before he was stopped by Wally West, the current Flash at the time. He tricked Thawne into going back to where he came from....not conscious of what he went through, but with a subconcious memory that the Flash will kill him and all the hate that goes with it His origin has been rewritten a couple of times since then, but I think this was such a classic origin and does the best of explaining Thawnes hatred

1:46 the day I saw this I automatically remembered Batman begins where "I won't kill you, but I don't HAVE to save you". Just like Thawne doesn't HAVE to mess with Barry. That's his own choice. Also EVERYTIME Thawne is saved, innocents die. I'll be damned if I have that on my conscience.

Definitely missing some details here. In some version of the origin, Thawne learned about him through research, he copied the powers, he met Flash, they worked together, then he found out he was going to be the villain and it broke him. Some of this was already explained in season 2. Barry stealing Thawne's "moment" sounds like a PART of a larger origin.

@s93nous

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU. thats what i thought too when watching this scene, this was basically in season 2 zoom arc there’s definitely more to it and probably towards the end of season may be explained

@oceanicking8988

2 жыл бұрын

Could it be possible that the Reverse Flash from season 2 and the Thawne from Season 8 have different origin stories

@DSan-kl2yc

2 жыл бұрын

It's whatever. He's had several. Originally he was bad to begin with.

@exsuspalp5078

Жыл бұрын

My thought the same, new story origin for the reverse flash seems like

@namzaysedwards2350

Жыл бұрын

In the original comics , Thawne time-traveled and does the villain thing in Flash timeline but the thing is The Flash is not Barry we're seeing but Redhead Wally West carrying the mantle as The Flash . Wally know that Barry died in Crisis On Infinite Earth (Running till he's evaporated to death counter-reacting Anti-Monitor machine whatnot) and Thawne is fighting against the most fastest speedster Redhead Wally , I think he hate the wrong guy haha xD .

I have a strong feeling, Thawne is leaving A LOT of details behind. Just a theory, which I hope the CW develops towards the end of the season: Thawne was going to come out as the speedster who saved the people whom HE HIMSELF got in danger just to look like a hero. Then he gets faster, breaks space-time continuum to arrive at the Flash museum and realizes he is meant to become the Flash's biggest and pettiest villain lol

@barzfordayslol7343

2 жыл бұрын

In the comics, he staged crimes to make himself look like the hero before Barry intervened and tried to set Thawne straight.

@TheKiddo017

2 жыл бұрын

well that is one of his origin story in the comic. he discover that he is destined to be flash biggest rival

@vennnnnnn

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same bro! Right after he said that I was like wait... :D

@WardNightstone

2 жыл бұрын

in the comics thats EXACTLY what he did

@furionmax7824

2 жыл бұрын

@@barzfordayslol7343 ah now that makes more sense. Funny you don't see villains like that anymore. Wannabe heroes that cause disasters only to correct them to make themselves look good. Thawne was one of those types. People like that in any form of media are like Unicorns these days.

1:32 i can make so many tiktok’s outta this bro

@giosy0072

4 ай бұрын

This is why I hope 'Tik Tok' won't get banned in America.

"What you call rage, I call commitment" - Thawne

This scene is just amazing in my opinion finding out why reverse flash hates him and him telling Barry if he saves him he’ll keep trying to find ways to kill him with a smile on his face knowing there’s a good chance Barry will still save him

@faiqamel4005

2 жыл бұрын

@X-777 what does irredeemable mean

@sonamtashi7706

2 жыл бұрын

For once I’d like if Barry completely subverts his expectations & just let’s him die. I’d love to see the shocked & dumbfounded look on Thawnes face.

@faiqamel4005

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonamtashi7706 lel he is already got humiliated like he told season 1 barry that future him humiliated him, basically this is a reverse loop

@yaminahharoon37

2 жыл бұрын

burry is doomb

The guy who played wells and thawne is just next level! Carried the show!

@earlsmith7428

2 жыл бұрын

He's great as both characters, but his overuse has confused me at times. it really wouldn't help the non comics fan anyway. "I thought he was the bad, now he's the good guy." "No, He's Harrison Welles now" "Wasn't he Eobard Thawne before?" "You have to pay attention."

@aldenationvideos2582

2 жыл бұрын

It’s quite a different role than the only other time I’ve seen him that being ranger smith in yogi bear lol

@TheBaalPhaoton

Жыл бұрын

​@@aldenationvideos2582 He was great in Scrubs as JD's big brother

IT WAS ME, BARRY.

I love that they used his comic book origin perfectly

"What you call rage, I call a sigma grindset."

I think I know how their story will end. Like in the comics, Barry might change the timeline so Thawne never discovered and got his speed and he would go on to be a Flash Museum curator. That would be very nice.

@shevonmalan4465

2 жыл бұрын

You telling, if barry never becomes flash, so never created reverse flash

@Than-ql9wh

2 жыл бұрын

@@shevonmalan4465 No I'm saying, it would be nice if barry goes to the 25th century and stop Thawne from discovering The Speed force and creating The Negative Speed force, Thawne would never become The Reverse Flash and would live a happy life. But clearly, that did not happen.

@maskedgamerjoker6148

2 жыл бұрын

@@shevonmalan4465 there was a comic book issue that The current Flash went to the 25th Century and stop the other flash who went in that time and prevented Thwane to find the flash costume which once he didn’t that timeline will forever change where Thwane never became the Reverse-Flash and work as museum tour guide instead

@Katie-xd1nt

2 жыл бұрын

thats exactly how i think the shows going to end.

@alexanderthered5603

2 жыл бұрын

That would require somehow Eddie to be resurrected and the timeline return back to its original season 1 timeline. Because ever since that season every single RF we've seen has been a paradox, meaning there is no Thawne of the future.

0:41 I love Thawne's face here, "oh shit, thats right, he probably thinks im just some asshole, i never told him"

Kid Flash’s yellow suit makes him look like a kid version of Reverse Flash.

Joker and Eobard have to be the most intriguing villains.

@Lopez03Eduardo.

2 жыл бұрын

I also add Mr. Freeze up there with them

@Lopez03Eduardo.

2 жыл бұрын

@Kal-El of Earth-167 good choice another one would be Darkseid

@jb57551

2 жыл бұрын

Both of them are PURE EVIL in the comics!

@VDOTU5

2 жыл бұрын

Are there any female comic book villains who could stand next the them in status and scale?

@Re-Equalizer

2 жыл бұрын

@@VDOTU5 I wanna say Circe, but I'm not sure about that. Harley Quinn? Not really anymore tbh. Flashpoint Joker? Hmm... We know who she is and that takes away the mystery of her origin. Poison Ivy?... A little but in a sense, she's just an ecoterrorist. Honestly i can't really say tbh. Can't really think of any female villains that can stand with all those male villains in terms of how complicated they are. But i guess everyone knows Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, so there's that at least.

This ties to what the younger Thawne told Barry on S2 Being bested and "humiliated" by his hero sent him on a path of toxic and constant improvement, fueled by rage and eventually learning/accepting that he was destined to be a villain

With this scene, the writers finally connected Thawne's bottomless envy and hatred of Barry with a line from way back in Season 1: "Nothing is forgiven." This is the great sin Thawne lays at Barry's feet: he stole his thunder. Note also that Thawne didn't say he knew he had to kill Barry after being robbed of his glory, he said he had to get faster. The homicidal hatred came later, when Thawne travelled through time and saw himself as the Flash's greatest enemy. All he wanted was to be like the hero he admired and not only was he robbed of that, fate itself condemned him to be the reverse. Great bit of subtle writing in this scene, fleshing out and unifying all of Thawne's motivations into a cohesive whole.

Not sure if you guys notice that Thawne wink at Barry when he said, Finding a new ways to kill him. 2:14

I love this Flash Season 5 Soundtrack.

@invisiblemisterioso5569

2 жыл бұрын

This is season 8

@s.w.a7609

2 жыл бұрын

I know, i was Just saying that they put in a Season 5 Soundtrack in this.

@invisiblemisterioso5569

2 жыл бұрын

Oh ok

@chris8gense_

2 жыл бұрын

which episode is this soundtrack in?

@s.w.a7609

2 жыл бұрын

@@chris8gense_The midseason finale of season 5: 5x08

This is probably the best they’ve ever done with explaining Reverse-Flash’s motives and origin. Usually I would say it’s a stupid reason to hate someone to that extent, and it is, but here Barry actually acknowledges that. He acknowledges that only a sociopath would react like that for something so small, and that’s what I like. It just shows how crazy and obsessive Thawne actually is.

Coming back to this show is bringing alot of nostalgic memories from 2015.. :( sad that it's ending

His motivation is very petty.... Despite being extreme threat he is still saturday morning cartoon villain ;D

"Don't you have anything better to do than destroy my life?" Spoken like a man who is f*cking DONE. 😂

The exchanges between the Reverse and Barry when they are alone are the best thing about this show.

Twayne: it was me Barry.

1:54 “what you call rage, I call commitment.” Idk why but this quote stuck with me the most

"Only a sociopath would react to something so small with that kind of rage."

I love how thawne is so honest when he said he would just find new ways to kill Barry after Barry asked what he’d do if he saved him

@youngjrr

Жыл бұрын

Idk why but that was funny when he said that 😂😂

@dazzatv9571

8 ай бұрын

😂😂he is so petty

Very petty indeed which is what makes him a dangerous and great villain.

Thawne packing, and Barry looking at it

I really hope to see Barry travel to the future and meet younger Thawne. I’m guessing it’ll either be letscher or someone who’s supposed to look like a younger letscher

@wyattlundrigan4740

2 жыл бұрын

Better be letscher

@Jr-fm2ye

2 жыл бұрын

Probably someone who looks like him but I wonder if Barry will have the speed force help with keeping the present in tact and Barry travel to Probably someone who looks like him but I wonder if Barry will have the speed force help with keeping the present in tact and travel to the future to stop his older self from saving the crowd so thawne can save them

@janderson947

2 жыл бұрын

Me 2 I want to see his parents something happened...

@judigemini178

2 жыл бұрын

That would make for such a great episode it's like going back to see baby Hitler & going back to the future is so meta in so many ways

@atulvikram5279

2 жыл бұрын

It'll be matt don't worry

Tom Cavanaugh as Thawne is the single best thing about the flash tv show. I like their portrayal of Barry for the most part (he has his flaws and the writing isn't great) but man the Reverse Flash is incredible.

I love when this two talk with each other :)

They both acted incredibly in this seen.

I'm guessing we're not gonna touch on the part of his origin where he went back, but went to the time when Barry was dead and Wally was Flash, only to then find out that not only does he become his idol's worst enemy, but finds out Barry kills him at some point, and then ends up fighting with Wally.

"Don't you have anything better to do?" basically what we have all been asking

"why did you create a reverse flashpoint and steal my life" "you mean another reverse flashpoint, don't you?"

As kid your more into superheroes but as u get older u understand the truth about a villains story

Again, this one scene from season 8 is better than the entirety of some of the previous flash seasons. I’m glad there stepping it up

@brunoscott2346

2 жыл бұрын

Can you please share the Episode this Scene Was Taken From?

2:01 What you called the rage … I call that the Rage Red Lanterns

isnt this like the 35th time Thawne has monologued why he hates Flash??

This is the equivalent of Broly, hating Goku, because he cried as a baby 😂

@primalvelocity3811

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much.

"my goals are beyond your under..." Oh wait wrong season

Thawne has been whispering since season 1 ep 1 bro, I just can’t with this show 😹

This dude is the epitome of petty

He’s so petty- I love it 😂

This scene reminds me of their conversation back in S1 so iconic

Thanwe is definitely leaving out more than a few details. In the comics, Thawne staged crimes to make himself look like a hero. Barry saw this and tried to set Thawne straight when he went into the future. When you think about it, he cares about looking like the hero more than anything. He set himself up as Harrison Wells to set things up while looking like an inspirational scientist when in truth he ruined more lives than we probably know. When he used the Spear of Destiny, he used it to also be the boss of Star Labs once again and be responsible for making the world great when in reality, he made it worse in the first place. He looked like an atoning villain on Death Row when he manipulated Barry's daughter, Nora, to make a serial killer emerge earlier, escape death row, have Nora wiped out of existence, and have Crisis come earlier. His recent scheme had him taking Barry's life, killing other heroes, and helping villains like Damien remain in power or stay evil with none the wiser. Thanwe really can't be a hero or anything like the real Flash. He knows this and hates himself for it. He will never truly be the Flash, so he has done all this to change the meaning of what being the Flash really means.

@Artisan1979

2 жыл бұрын

Actually he made the crisis come earlier, not flashpoint. But I think it also has to do with his need to be a part of the flash's story. His research was based upon his obsessive hero worship of the flash. When he found out that he was destined to become his greatest enemy, I think that made him snap. That was like fate and time taking choice away from him. Every hero needs a villain and without a reverse flash, in his eyes, the flash would not be as legendary. So therefore he has no say in the matter. Again, in his eyes. And that lack of choice about his destiny created a self-destructive cycle in which he takes his anger out on Barry and his life over and over again because he feels he has no freedom. He feels as if he has no control over his destiny, so he's going to make the most of it and punish Barry for it since he can't bring himself to break away and actually try to learn how to live without the flash completely. Well, now that he is powerless again and incarcerated, he's going to have to learn that the hard way.

@joialbino4745

2 жыл бұрын

@@Artisan1979 He's like Stan from the Eminem song but worse

@Artisan1979

2 жыл бұрын

@@joialbino4745 both fanboys gone severely wrong. In the comics recently h e had a more twisted answer to why he does this shit: "Barry, how else am I gonna to get you to spend time with me?"

@janderson947

2 жыл бұрын

In other words his ego someone has an inferiority complex 😂

@joialbino4745

2 жыл бұрын

@@Artisan1979 The Flash's own Joker. "I think you and I are destined to do this forever."

A reasonable hero vs an unbelievably unreasonable villain

2:01 And that's why you will always lose and be lost, Eobard. And as I said in an earlier comment, there has to be a lot more to this accusation. Even if there isn't, Barry just did what he was meant to do which was to save people. It was no insult directed at you at all. And to be honest you should've been ecstatic to see the actual flash in the flash two centuries after he died standing in front of you. Your hero standing right there. That's how I know there is more to this story you're putting forward. And you can't help yourself. You have to be the exact mirror image of your chosen nemesis. Knocking on the force field, putting your hands behind your back as Barry is doing. It's like you have no life at all of your own. No identity of your own. YOU'RE EVEN WEARING SOMEONE ELSES FACE BC OF HIS CONNECTION TO THE FLASH!And much like the fact you are being erased from the timeline right now, you brought all of this on yourself. That's what obsession and revenge are. Unending and completely self-destructive.

I've never gotten into the show but watch here and there and I have to this storyline reminds me a lot of The Incredibles. How a fan wants to be like their idol but it becomes twisted and turns to hate for the hero and a desire to see them fall. While also seeking out glory so they'll be seen as a hero by others. No matter who gets hurt in the process.

@immortalfrieza

2 жыл бұрын

And like Syndrome, the thing that slighted them into becoming evil was largely their own fault.

@davenierop1540

Жыл бұрын

That's true cause Eobard and Syndrome share so much in common.

I didn't knew season 8 started airing 😫but I am glad now I have 5 episodes to watch until the new one comes 😜

That's a freakin' big cup!

I really wish they had incorporated the origin where Eobard discovers he is destined to become the reverse flash and then goes mad as a result because that is the most tragic origin in my opinion

His comic backstory is better. Thawne wanted to be part of Flash’s life because he was his biggest fan. When he realized he was simply nothing to him, not the partner that the Kid Flash was, he wanted revenge. Not only to ruin Flash’s life to make him suffer, but doing this was the only way he’d ever actually spend time with him. It’s kinda sad actually.

@carmillasmith7743

2 жыл бұрын

It sound similar to the origin of, “Syndrome” off “The Incredibles”. 😂

@Mercwithamouth616

2 жыл бұрын

@@carmillasmith7743 but still better than cw

@xhunterxpiecex286

2 жыл бұрын

He has like 4 backstories in the comics, in one of them Thawne was making crimes so he could be seen as a hero and Barry figured it out and exposed him, or something like that. I thinks that’s what they’re adapting

@tamariomartin9080

Жыл бұрын

@@carmillasmith7743 I was literally about to say that lol

It's a shame that we never got to see that moment play out. Because I'm going to bet there was more to that crowd than he lets on. In the comics, he had acquired his speed, because there was no crime in this utopia, he set up crises to boost his reputation; he started fires, he created calamities, and then to zoom in and save the day, and be hailed as a hero. That is, however, until Barry busted him. That could be the humiliation that he's talking about. Thawne NEVER reveals the full spectrum.

@uncannydcmarvelous5732

9 ай бұрын

If only they did that in Season 9 instead of insisting with Cecile, Chester and Allegra having more screentime than Barry.

although the scene is surprisingly well put together, especially for what CW flash has become, i kinda wish that they used the prime earth thawne's reasoning - being that thawne still idolizes barry and just wants a chance to be with his idol i can understand why they took a different route, especially after typing it out and seeing how dumb it reads, but that last comic issue where thawne and barry have their "final" encounter was really well done imo

I wanna see this exact scene but with Matt Letscher playing Thawne, similar to in the flashpoint episode

@SyedKumailAbbasGillani

2 жыл бұрын

I am full of you whiming around . Why can't you just like and appreciate Tom's and grant 's acting

@StupidWeb

2 жыл бұрын

@@SyedKumailAbbasGillani I love their acting, but I also love Matt Letscher, and just thought it'd be neat to see Matt, because I also love his performance as Reverse Flash

lol i love how the barriers get smaller when they tap it

They can't get enough of each other 🤣

I like how we just got over the fact that Thawne is still using Wells Face

That man more committed to Barry than his own wife. 😂

@theganondorky7238

2 жыл бұрын

Damn

@janderson947

2 жыл бұрын

I'm ☠ I love iris but this is true😂 obsession by marriah Carrey is playing in the background in this scene I think of thawne and just think if the song heartless by kanye west to describe his relationship to barry at this point 😂

@vincenthammons6705

2 жыл бұрын

she got real annoying after they got married

@janderson947

2 жыл бұрын

@@vincenthammons6705 I blame the writers they have no idea what they are doing with her character I like iris but other than the mirroveese they don't use her and they let Eva go instead that could have been iris arch nemesis her and rag doll team up especially rag doll....

@JEREMCEE

Жыл бұрын

Truth

I like it because it ties into the coma scene "nothing is forgiven"

“It was ME Barry…..”

1:38 i thought he gonna say "and it was in that moment that i knew, i fucked up"

@Princeverse7

10 ай бұрын

Same bruh 😂

Alright pandemic really gave writers some time to think this is just as good as S1 holy fuck

0:29 Aww yes. The dreaded low blow.

This gave me some season 1 tingles

1:29 ^ He’s mad cause of that, killed a bunch of people cause The Flash took his spotlight….cool origin story bruh⚡️

@Danjor369

9 ай бұрын

😭😂.

@Danjor369

9 ай бұрын

💀💀💀

If he was bald he would look just like one punch man