That Vegan Couple is bad for veganism, not Saara. (Re: SAARA I AM NO LONGER VEGAN - Response)
Inquiring minds want to know...Saara, exactly how many times a day were you pooping?
0:35 - Was Saara lying?
4:14 - Veganism cures all! (or maybe not)
5:03 - Is Saara dangerous for veganism?
8:09 - Don't listen to your doctor. Listen to random youtubers instead! (or maybe not)
9:35 - Veganism and mortality
10:38 - All animal products are the same?
11:56 - "Exactly how many times a day were you pooping?
12:47 - That Vegan Couple's dietary advice for Saara
13:22 - Can we please stop doing this?
14:00 - That Vegan Couple needs to look inward before they criticize Saara for her "dangerous" message.
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The amount of hate this channel gets is unreal. Vegans can't take a little constructive criticism? She didn't say anything fallacious or unfair in this video. In fact I agree with her. There is no one size suits all diet. People have different dietary requirements.
@martam.2768
6 жыл бұрын
Myra Emily-Neheng No. Vegans are perfect and carbs cure cancer. Seriously 😉
@bimbowithadegree420
6 жыл бұрын
Myra Emily-Neheng the best vegan channel because it's the only one which promotes a non bullshit approach
@idiotwilson1474
6 жыл бұрын
Marta M. Self righteous much?
@Patsuchi
6 жыл бұрын
did you miss the sarcasm
@turkeykorvid
6 жыл бұрын
Also I don't get why people say that she is bad because meat eaters watch her. I mean, do they think that heavily pushing veganism on people are gonna miraculously convert them?
I didn't know that vegan couple commented that to someone suffering from depression. Absolutely despicable
@patronsaintoffashion2722
7 жыл бұрын
Super gross. they are quite ableist
@autumnsylver
7 жыл бұрын
Clearly, neither of them have ever been depressed. It's kind of like telling someone with depression "just think positively", "other people have it worse", or "just get some exercise and you'll be fine". It's incredibly insulting.
@clockworktangerine9891
7 жыл бұрын
That made me so angry. I feel sorry for anyone who takes their words seriously.
@gypsybandit7373
5 жыл бұрын
Clearly taken out of context.
@lgg-g2c
3 ай бұрын
NOTHING is more despicable than what meat eaters do to animals
It is really dangerous to tell people they don't need their medications, especially when you're not a doctor. This is just ridiculous of TVC. That is my biggest issue with veganism in general, that people actually believe this stuff. But, of course, even speaking about it in the vegan community gives you severe backlash in the community.
@AnnaScanlonPhD
7 жыл бұрын
***** what about those of us who haven't healed medical conditions?
@AnnaScanlonPhD
7 жыл бұрын
***** I have a condition that can kill you if you go off your meds, yet plenty of people come to my channel to call me names and say I love to complain about having a disease rather than heal it because I don't advocate listening to randoms on the internet with no medical degrees. I also know people with psoriasis who haven't been cured by diet change. So if we're going by anecdotal evidence, how is that the case?
@kuboana8785
7 жыл бұрын
+Jon Maddison (PsoriasisBuddy) I'm suffering from psoriasis too and even if I'm plant-based, I'm still having it ...
@umbra9029
7 жыл бұрын
Ana There are some very expensive lamps that you can use. I have never tried ( my condition is different). look for 311 nm uv lamps. as far I know some people have great results. but be careful it's still a product in test
@jacquelinechong6880
7 жыл бұрын
And the last
I know this may sound crazy,but I prefer taking medical,nutritional,or mental health advice from a licensed professional with years of higher education than some random vegan couple on KZread.Crazy I know
@delightfullydakota5019
7 жыл бұрын
My nearest plant-based doctor is 2 hours away from me.Thats totally accessible to most.
@stephaniesantos78
7 жыл бұрын
really? i looked up plant-based doctors on vegdoc.com and found a ton in my area but maybe i'm just lucky. even if i didn't find them, dr. greger's channel on youtube is pretty amazing. unfortunately if you have specific health issues it'll probably be hard to get him to answer any questions since he has a huge following lol
@delightfullydakota5019
7 жыл бұрын
+stephanie santos it's good you have that kind of variety I guess,but I don't.Im guessing you live in somewhat of a larger city,but I don't know.The closest big city to me is around an hour away,but the closest plant based doctors were in another city two hours away.
@stephaniesantos78
7 жыл бұрын
***** new jersey small town, all the docs are about 20 minutes away. look up vegdocs tho, you never know. i would have never thought i had vegan doctors anywhere near me.
@instinctivelychelsea2905
7 жыл бұрын
Debbie Daniels 2 hours away is accessible ? on a rocket ship maybe ...
Depression is a chemical imbalance. I was depressed for a couple of years and at one point I became vegan and I was still depressed. Up until last year when I went to a doctor and took pills for a couple of months. Now I'm depression free and still a vegan, but that has nothing to do with my diet...
@umbra9029
7 жыл бұрын
For the Love of Pants Try binaural beats they are cool
@esmeathena520
7 жыл бұрын
For the Love of Pants Every case is different. My depression was caused by the imbalances that were created by animal and processed foods. My body could not cope with the amount of shit that's present in those food items. Whole food plant based diet was the answer to my depression. It reduced my PCOS symptoms too.
@Haru-gb6gh
7 жыл бұрын
+Esme Athena Depression is never caused by animal products.
@Haru-gb6gh
7 жыл бұрын
fernanda alcantara How do animal products lower sertraline and dopamine in the brain?
@umbra9029
7 жыл бұрын
Mi Hou they don't
The title may seem rather pugnacious, but just have a look at their tumblr. It's full to the brim with pseudoscience. I've included several examples in the description.
@AgeofAge
7 жыл бұрын
Unnatural Vegan They don't believe in putting on sunscreen, that's all I needed to hear to know they don't care about science. I asked them about it on one of their videos and they replied with "Oh we don't get burnt much lol".
@magicbeans3509
7 жыл бұрын
AgeJ94 lol I'm black as night and I still wear SPF30 in the summer
@MartianBlues11
7 жыл бұрын
Loos Kurt Yep. My black behind actually got a pretty bad sunburn once so I always use sunscreen now. Never had an issue since.
@Afieke
7 жыл бұрын
That tumblr post was shocking indeed.
@bgreer4752
7 жыл бұрын
Unnatural Vegan Hi Unnatural Vegan, I'm asking you this question because you seem to be a pretty open minded vegan. What if being a vegan was more inclusive and less of a all or nothing way of life??? eg. A person who; 1)doesn't eat meat or fish is a Silver Vegan / 1st Degree Vegan 2)doesn't eat meat, fish, dairy and eggs is a Gold Vegan/ 2nd Degree Vegan 3)doesn't eat meat, fish, dairy and eggs + plus doesn't wear or support anything else that supports animal cruelty is a Platinum Vegan/ 3rd Degree Vegan This could let more people in and allow them to better themselves without feeling like they aren't making a difference. Vegetarian 👫and Vegan working together to change the world🌏 p.s. I have only been a vegan for seven days, but in the two months that I have been researching and watching KZread it seems like we can do more together then apart✌️️
If Saara reads this: I started having problems with my colon after going vegan two years ago. After finding out I react bad to fiber, which also developed into ulcerative colitis/procitis (Irritable Bowel Disease), I went to a clinical nutritionist. She told me to eat veeeery differently from what a lot of these KZreadrs say. I also got my eyesight damaged prior to my colon problems, probably due to the lack of thiamine. After following my nutritionist's advice, my symptoms reversed greatly, but I still have little bit of damage to my eyesight (currently at 90-95%). Here is what my nutritionist told me: Eat more soluble fiber (cooked oats, white rice, white bread, husk, etc) and cook your food (stews & soups). Cooking the food, softens the fiber and don't aggravate the already irritable area in your colon. Don't eliminate oil, but keep it low (1-2 tablespoons a day) and use healthy alternatives (plant-based: olive, canola, etc, but not tropical oils: coconut, etc ). Stay away from added preservations ending with -ol. Last, but not least, take a multi vitamin. She told me also to experiment and I've found out that also cutting out/reducing alcohol, coffee, bread, and not using hot spices (cayenne pepper, chili, etc) REALLY helped!! Animal products don't contain fiber so I totally get why you go back to eating animals, that was my first instinct also. I'm still vegan though, but if you're going to eat meat, make sure it's lean cuts. You want to minimize the saturated fat and keep fat in general low. My advice after getting sick twice: don't listen to KZreadrs!!! Go to an expert, meaning someone who has an education on nutrition ^_- Best of luck to you!!
@joeyyeung7933
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@edgyguy5553
6 жыл бұрын
great advance, though drop the canola oil and add back in the coconut oil (not really a real problem either way if you're keeping your oil consumption as low as the recommendation provided).
@jacquelineunderwood7115
5 жыл бұрын
@@edgyguy5553 Part of the lesson of this KZread video was not listening to random internet people over other more reliable sources 😂 while I will agree that canola oil isn't great, if they said to avoid tropical sourced oils, there are plenty others they can eat that still follow their doctors advice and are relatively healthy. For example, olive, grapeseed, almond, avocado, etc.
@tanyanguyen3704
5 жыл бұрын
I was vegetarian for four years, back in the eighties. Three years in, i got mild IBS which got worse over the year. Back then vegetarianism was as well researched so they pulled me off that. I’ve lived as you do, now, but when back to limited meats and fish to add protein. Three to four meals a week, are supplements ted with mead. But I’d wished I had your guide, then!
@tanyanguyen3704
5 жыл бұрын
Jacqueline Underwood ops. That should have read that vegetarian diets were NOT as well researched. Sorry
I think I found a unicorn. A vegan who is not condescending.
@magnusbane2177
5 жыл бұрын
I think there are loads on non condescending vegans but they usually don't make a KZread channel about it (unlike all of the condescending ones).
@whyfi2749
5 жыл бұрын
Lots of non condescending vegans she is just defending them by pointing out the bad apples
@annieo4442
4 жыл бұрын
The unnatural plant based is not a true ethical vegan
@milessharman8518
4 жыл бұрын
Nope I'm like that too haha
@Aceofwolves
3 жыл бұрын
And who actually uses SCIENCE to show her points. NOT just appealing to emotions.
about a year ago I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and that was about three months after going vegan. I heard a lot of people say that going vegan helps with mental illnesses but it didn't work for me I still till this day take a shit ton of Medications. I hate it that people like freelee, that vegan couple and more are saying veganism cures depression, they are giving people false hopes!!!
@chselvatica
7 жыл бұрын
Monica Maher you really believed that veganism can cure your bpd? I'm not blaming you at all, but you heard that from fundamentalist vegans like these stupid guys? how can people play with hopes??? 😔 that's really awful... but besides that as a student, look out for a therapist who doesnt base their therapy on diagnosis (medical model) sometimes we put ourselves a label. Don't forget that personality disorders are a social construct. 😘 you go girl!!
@HypnoRhymes
7 жыл бұрын
Monica Maher i've been dealing with BPD for 15 years and i'm a psychotherapist (ironic, isn't it?), i agree that a vegan diet won't solve the problem. a clean diet,however,can do a lot, expecially if you avoid alcohol, coffee,excessive amount of sugar,etc...all the foods that can have small negative impact on regular people,could have huge impact on those with bpd! meditation and phisical activity help a lot,too
@Morfeusm
7 жыл бұрын
Fuse Kane interesting. Why sugar? Strange. I have ADHD (diagnosed) and I noticed really big improvement in concentration a/when I started exercising B/when I eat low fat diet. When I eat high fat high sugary meal, I have immediately brain fog so bad I can't even think properly. Diet has strange effect on us for sure...
@instinctivelychelsea2905
7 жыл бұрын
it did cure most of my anxiety and depression but it didn't fully knock it out because part of becoming well is changing your mental thoughts and food can't change that by it self , but I do believe food can be medicine , I used to throw up every time I went to go # 2 and since becoming vegan I don't, and it was really really awful ,I'd get a stabbing back pain and heartburn for days and all of that shit went away , but the left over bad thoughts are also due to being in recovery from drugs as well tho so of course food alone can't fix everything and being fully raw is fully unnecessary.
@HypnoRhymes
7 жыл бұрын
Morfeus sugar act on dopamine level,it can boost your mood in the moment but,when the its effects start to decrease,the mood tends to go down. that's why excessive sugar intake can lead to sugar craving. that mood "up and down" it's not good if a person tends to have mood swings by himself,like in bpd
Yes, and also relevant to mental health. There seems to be a lot of unqualified and/or unsubstantiated mental health advice on KZread. Telling people cavalierly to stop taking medication is dangerous advice.
@BloodMeridien
7 жыл бұрын
Bro, you've obviously stopped taking the medication and escaped from a secure unit. Please turn yourself in to the authorities before the evil clown man gets you.
@Gee-xb7rt
7 жыл бұрын
its not just youtube, popular culture is fascinated with "lifestyle coaches" or whatever you want to call them. feels like the dark ages coming back sometimes, it might be the information age, but a lot of the information is misinformation.
@Kap3lka
7 жыл бұрын
""Feels like the dark ages is coming back sometimes"" You're right on that one! There are even people out there that believe we live on a flat plateau under some sort of glass dome o_O
@instinctivelychelsea2905
7 жыл бұрын
jean19721997 exactly so why are we picking on other vegans when we could be picking on people who believe the world is flat...
@Kap3lka
7 жыл бұрын
Heyitsme Because their thing isn't food related and veganism very much is. Why would we wanna pick on anyone? Constructive criticism is not the same as picking on someone else. Within the vegan movement we should be critical, of course within reason, constructive and use compassion as a guideline while criticising. Otherwise the whole vegan movement will be tossed together with the flat-earthers in the same looney category.
It's just so frustrating because those who "fail" on a vegan diet know what is best for them and their body and the Vegan Couple and others just don't seem to grasp that people are trying and making good efforts.
@timo9186
7 жыл бұрын
Well, if they really knew what is best for their body they wouldn't fail in the first place cause they wouldn't ignore the signals of their body. But then again, this isn't only a vegan issue but one of eating too much bs or not enough healthy stuff and just ignoring your health.
I'm vegan, and had a long, long history of stomach issues, but in the main they cleared up after 1 month of having no animal products. But in my boyfriend's case, his stomach is getting slightly worse since going vegan. People are different.
@ns_hdez8777
7 жыл бұрын
blueboyryan me too.😩 I get mad bc I'm like what the hell am i doing wrong? But it's getting better! The more you read and educate yourself the easier it gets. tell him to listen to his body!
@KiruKamiVA
7 жыл бұрын
it could be his blood type! some types do better with meat than plants and vice versa
@alyailithyia
7 жыл бұрын
It has nothing to do with blood type and more with diet. Anyone can be vegan regardless of their blood type, however not anyone can handle large amounts of fiber and carbs so they have to create a vegan diet based on their digestive needs
@autumnsylver
7 жыл бұрын
Same here. I had bad acid reflux before going vegan. I had to take extra strength acid reducers every day, and even then, I'd still sometimes get acid reflux. When I was vegan for a month, I decided to try not taking the medication anymore, because I heard that going vegan gets rid of acid reflux, and I don't have to take it anymore. (I still take it on days when I go to the gym, because the constant changing of positions while working out makes the acid splash up into my esophagus).
@risafey
6 жыл бұрын
My tummy was going too, but I did everything I could find on NutritionFacts to promote a healthy gut bacteria, and made sure I understood prebiotics and vegan sources of probiotics and gave them /time/. I included kimchi into my dinners, a tiny amount, like two or three pieces of the fermented cabbage, every night for about 3 weeks during my WFPB vegan transition. My stools firmed up, my tummy went from painful and gassy to much better, and waaay better than before veganism. I'm 5'2", low activity level, 1600 calorie intake, and I derive about 50 grams of fiber (prebiotic) from whole foods daily. It can take time for the prebiotics to not freak out our stomachs, because the bacteria that consumes this fiber in the last parts of digestion have been starved for so long (check out NutritionFacts for a much better explanation, lol, my word choice is so simple-minded and unscientific-sounding). And yes, the blood-type diets have been debunked.
Videos by The Vegan Couple are really hard to watch. Actually, just looking at them is hard.
@meme7886bebe
7 жыл бұрын
SoMuchWatermelon lol the cringe is real in their videos
@sayuas4293
7 жыл бұрын
They should change their name to "That Cringy Vegan Couple"
@GirliqueMe
7 жыл бұрын
Sayuas Or call themselves That Vegan Couple of Lying, Scamming Bullshit Artists
@instinctivelychelsea2905
7 жыл бұрын
speaking of cringe that's what I'm doing during every single ending TO ALL UV videos....
@thenewhope8171
7 жыл бұрын
you just describe my feeling i don't really know what i causes
Still trying to wrap my mind around how you feel like a lower animal consumption is as healthy as going vegan. The Adventist studies looked at this exact thing - a lower meat omnivorous diet and a standard vegan diet. The Adventist II study of 90,000 people found that vegans have 63% lower incidence of hypertension, 62% less diabetes, 16% less cancer, 15% lower mortality, 10% less heart disease, a healthier BMI average, 10% less hypothyroidism and more. Not to mention a whole food vegan diet reverses heart disease. But the ability to reliably reverse our leading killer isn't a good reason to promote veganism? dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf Finally, if you do believe that a low meat diet and a vegan diet are of equal improvement over a SAD diet, then you should make it known that a vegan diet is a ONE great option for getting healthier for 90% of the population and hence, the health argument IS compelling even under your false narrative. Adventist II Mortality: jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1710093 Adventist II Diabetes: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21983060 Adventist II Hypothyroidism: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24264226 Adventist II Cancer and Hypertension: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4144107/ Adventist II Heart Disease: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
@alixaebell6323
7 жыл бұрын
Mic. the Vegan great comment 🙌🙌👍
@vaalea3
7 жыл бұрын
That is epidemiological data; correlation only. What we know is that processed meats are definitely bad, fatty meats (except fish) and dairy are unhealthy, and large quantities of meat and dairy are unhealthy. If eaten within recommended amounts, with the majority of the calories in the diet coming from beans and whole grains, vegetables and fruits,, animal products actually seem to be neutral for health. It is also important to note that veganism reduces your risks for many cancers, has a neutral effect on some, and actually increases your risks for others (depending on your genetics and health history). What we do know is that fiber is excellent for your cardiovascular health, and that certain compounds in plants provide protection against a lot of diseases (meat provides no fiber nor protective compounds). So, it's not that science is saying reducing is AS HEALTHY as going vegan; it's that we don't have good data to say that veganism is INHERENTLY healthier than a plant-based, yet omnivorous diet. To say any thing more is to stretch the science beyond its resolution capacity. I think promising that veganism is the healthiest diet possible is setting would-be vegans up for recidivism. It is better to emphasize the ethical and environmental benefits, and to portray the health benefits as a likely (but not guaranteed) side benefit.
@theodorebunston3074
7 жыл бұрын
+vaalea3 If you were to apply that level of scrutiny to other issues you'd end up not recommending anything. What you're doing is akin to someone saying that because we can smoke a cigarette on the holidays and not suffer any consequences (while some non-smokers are getting lung cancer) then we shouldn't advise people to give up smoking because that would be stretching the science and settting people up for recidivism. You could do the same with the ethical and eco arguments for veganism for example by comparing non-organic non-fairtrade sugar against certain types of wild honey and then spend the rest of your life shaming your fellow ethical vegans for "going beyond the evidence". Besides we actually know a lot more than that what you say we know. When we compare fish to whole plant foods (as they did in the Nurses Health Study and the Greek wing of the EPIC study) we see that it does increase disease risk, just not as much as red meat or highly processed plant foods. Also, Dr Esselstyn correlation only ? WTF ?
@youandmevegan
7 жыл бұрын
Correlation studies can be very important and relevant if they show statistically significant results, you shouldn't automatically dismiss them :) Personally, I do believe that a healthy vegan diet is superior to a healthy omnivorous diet, but I never use this as an argument because I know it lacks credibility. What I know is true is that it can be at least as healthy as a "normal" diet, while having other benefits at the same time. But the problem with focusing on ethical and environmental benefits is that, sadly, most people just care about themselves. We need to show people that a vegan diet can be healthy, easy, fun, delicious and practicable on a daily basis if we want to reach anyone at all. Discussions about avoiding even trace amounts of animal products, having to buy only fair-trade, boycotting all "evil" businesses or that veganism is a magical cure for everything are rather harmful for the movement.
@theodorebunston3074
7 жыл бұрын
+youandme.vegan It only lacks credibility in the eyes of junkfood/medication advocates like Unnatural Vegan and vaalea3. For those of us actually trying to promote good health it doesn't lack any credibility at all.
The shitting thing reminds me of Freelee telling people they should be pissing like 12 times a day. Once I realized to just go with my instinct and drink water when I felt like it, I could finally sit through a movie at the theater without my bladder dying and be a normal, functioning person.
@VegAnns
7 жыл бұрын
yeah haha. I often stop drinking at 7pm so I dont have to get up in the night XD
@inga1721
7 жыл бұрын
Pornstache Lol. I also don't buy this hydration myth anymore. I eat plenty of water rich foods anyway. Now only drinking when thirsty. The water tastes heavenly then. Freelee is basically saying to drink when NOT thirsty and eat when NOT hungry. And to pee all day. oi oi
I sat through a Kevin Bacon Egg commercial for this. It was three minutes long. #commitment
@pablowall
7 жыл бұрын
adblock plus! google, download it and donate a few dollars to the guys (its actually free). You wont see ads on youtube or other websites!
@wesday3652
7 жыл бұрын
Pablowall but then youtubers don"t get paid for their videos...
@crimeslime5419
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah ): don't get Adblock, don't you wanna support unnatural vegan?
@pablowall
7 жыл бұрын
good point :o is there any way i can donate to unnatural vegan and continue using adblock? (i REALLY hate ads, especially online ads, and i make an effort to boycott any intrusive ones)
@crimeslime5419
7 жыл бұрын
pablowall Idk it doesn't look like she has a patron account ): (or patreon? Idk I've never checked any KZreadrs' out)
For some people the food they eat is their identity.
@corneliahanimann2173
7 жыл бұрын
vangrails ya and that's when you know you're really missing out on life... Like you said, if veganism is a lifestyle: fine. But if it's the only personality trait you can offer, you have a problem!
@befair1038
7 жыл бұрын
the food is the identity...it creates u...eat live foods only
@scruffthemagicdragon
7 жыл бұрын
You are... what you eat?
@corneliahanimann2173
7 жыл бұрын
scruffthemagicdragon yup...he's a peperoni actually.
@Lifeofpeta
5 жыл бұрын
Imagine your only personality trait is veganism 😂
Unfortunately most vegan youtubers or The big ones (minus yourself) chose to ignore basic human psychology, freelee for example "you don't have to like me you just have to hear me" .. No one has to hear you, and the less they like you the less they'll be likely to here it. Or if they do chose to hear, it'll be to mock. And they chose to ignore 1000's of years of culture, of the 100's of diets that people are capable of living on perfectly well many not not being vegan (I don't think any of the blue zones are completely vegan though low in animal products) basically, they over simplify everything, and it pushes people away.
@corneliahanimann2173
7 жыл бұрын
Fran Ann the funny thing is though, what people often forget. Freelee is just a thing of our time, her opinion won't impact anything but some people that are really despreate in their attempt to find a solution to their problem. What drove history forward is science and scientific evidence. Freelees stupidity will be gone like the stupidity of many other unimportant figures... She's really annoying and destructive now though.
@aight33
7 жыл бұрын
Fran Ann how fucking stupid you are
@franann5827
7 жыл бұрын
Cornelia Hanimann I think there has always been people like freelee, just not the same platform. I do think that thankfully as people get older they do seem to be more skeptical of these "youtubers" I do know when I was 18 I used to believe all that shizz now I'm 25 nearly it's a whole different story. Those that stick to it generally have found a way to profit from it. *ehem vegan couple*. I wonder how much of an 'activist' they would be if they weren't...
@franann5827
7 жыл бұрын
crystalstar927 I'm not sure, is there some kind of official test? If so let me know and I'll get back to you. We can compare scores!
@corneliahanimann2173
7 жыл бұрын
Fran Ann thats a thing though,with the bullshit freelee spreads, with the amount of times she was naked or half naked or even had a nipslip...shouldn't her channel be for peole above 18? just...curious...
Who the fu*k even are these people? I've never watched their videos, but they seem so smug. Reminds me of Fully Raw Kristina. Anecdotes and personal experience ≠ expertise!!!!!!!!!!
@MartianBlues11
7 жыл бұрын
Doesnotplaywell withothers They're coo coo for Cocoa Puffs.
@jordinapigrau4769
7 жыл бұрын
Doesnotplaywell withothers they're freaking creepy
@autumnsylver
7 жыл бұрын
They actually offer their "services" in nutrition to design a meal plan for people to help them go vegan, despite the fact that they have no training or knowledge in nutrition. Just being vegan qualfies you as a nutritionist, apparently.
@instinctivelychelsea2905
7 жыл бұрын
Doesnotplaywell withothers they aren't raw ...
@instinctivelychelsea2905
7 жыл бұрын
Doesnotplaywell withothers ahh your name says it all....
i used to like that vegan couple in the beginning of my vegan journey but now i realised that they don't do any good for the vegan movement and that they mainly plant fears in people's minds (coffee is evil, oil is evil, salt is evil, cooked foods are evil....basically everything except for their recommend diet is going to kill you... 😑) i unsubbed from them many months ago and hope that they won't gain popularity in the future
@MrsHi1206
7 жыл бұрын
Angelika T. I just went vegan like 4-5 weeks ago and their videos actually worked for me (I watched the documentaries they suggested etc) but now that I'm sort of getting used to the diet and watching lesser known vegans it's made watching tvc unbearable. They just talk about their lives and make me feel guilty for eating vegan butter.
@kurapikakurta3863
7 жыл бұрын
they don't place fear at all. They're just showing the current study on those particular topics. You can read some of these sources up yourself. You can then make an informed decision of whether you want to consume any of these products. No one is holding you at gun point stopping you from consuming those things despite them being proven by recent peer reviewed studies to be unhealthy. But then again people like you shouldn't be allowed to read up or watch scientific and logical contents anyways. You're only going to take these things personally and make uneducated opinions. They're meant to be read or seen with just one goal in mind, to learn, to have deeper understanding and to educate one's self.
@Waterlily209
7 жыл бұрын
"But then again people like you shouldn't be allowed to read up or watch scientific and logical contents anyways. " I simply stated my personal opinion on That Vegan Couple's videos. You don't agree with my opinion- alright, we are all allowed to voice our different opinions . But there's no need for being so rude. It doesn't prove your point, it just makes you sound bitter and cynical.
@CharMeezy21
7 жыл бұрын
They eat food everyday, what are you talking about? and oil is bad for you, just ask Dr. McGregor. giving people useful info about their health isn't a bad thing, especially since at the end of the day you have the choice to take the advice or not.
@duralick
7 жыл бұрын
Andrea Mariano I would have to agree with angelika. Their videos are only good for new willing pre-vegans. I got sick of those smartasses within a month and immediately unsubbed as well. Compare them to Ryan and Anji for example. All of their facts are proven just like that vegan couple's facts are, except happy healthy vegan doesn't attack people by judging them and acting like they are supreme, when the really aren't, which is exactly what the vegan couple does.
i completely agree with you here but can you do a video about the bias that some doctors have when it comes to telling vegans to revert back to an omni diet. i have personal experience with this. i had perfect test results, felt great, and was fully informed but my doctor told me "you at least need to drink milk for calcium"... instead of maybe talking about all the plant based sources of calcium.
I have actually had kinda the same experience as Saara. I ate vegan for a couple of weeks and only got less energy and felt bad. I found out I got many food intolerances. Especially for raw fruits (including tomato and a little bit with avocado) And if you got problems with your intestens then beans are not a great thing to start eating a lot either >. I think it's better for me to go slowly into veganism. I personally start with being a vegetarian and am finding out what works for me and what doesn't. Then I will transit into vegan in my own way, so that I probably won't get sick again. The whole: oh now I go immediatly 100% into vegan without having any idea what to eat, is maybe not the most wise thing to do for people with food allergies/intolerances/intestine problems. (maybe not wise for anyone, if you want to be vegan for longer then 3-6 months)
@Sofi-kf9oz
7 жыл бұрын
Elise Nieuwe Good luck in your journey😘🍀
You should make rational vegan tshirts! lol I wanted to get a vegan tshirt and was going to get one from TVC but they seemed a bit too aggressive and cult-like. 😬
@alluneedislessthan3
7 жыл бұрын
*for my taste. I'm VERY non confrontational and plus living in the south I don't want to instigate any arguments with meat eaters.
@FindingYourSerenity
7 жыл бұрын
yes please do this!
@Jedidine
7 жыл бұрын
alluneedislessthan3 This is a great idea! T-shirts with her content "rational" style would be cool.
@durpddurke4633
6 жыл бұрын
"Veggies can be delicious too!" No seriously someone should make a shirt that says this.
That Vegan Couple's response to Kathleen Lights wasn't *too* terrible, but the part that made me twitch was when they talked about the cost of a vegan diet. Should people beat on Kathleen because she can afford to cut out dairy and meat? No. But should we be aware that some people live in dire poverty, in food deserts, etc.? Yes, of course. I'm glad we have so many channels and resources that help people with affordable vegan meal plans and easy recipes, but not everybody has ready access to those foods or even the internet. And the idea that veganism can cure all problems, including stomach issues, for everyone needs to stop. I deal with IBS, and there are some vegan staples I can't eat, like avocado (ugh so sad) and chickpeas (whyyyy). And when I mention this, some vegans get very defensive and say, "Well, you just need to keep trying! Eventually, your stomach will *heal* enough for you to eat them!" ...no, that's not how this works. In fact, that could be dangerous for people who have allergies or are intolerant to certain foods. If going vegan makes you feel much better, than I am so happy for you! But it's not a cure-all for everyone and everything.
@BloodMeridien
7 жыл бұрын
Your twitching could be a sign of Lysene deficiency, make sure you eat your legumes.
@mkimask
7 жыл бұрын
_some people live in dire poverty_ They are either starving or forced to eat vegan, I am pretty sure no one ever said - "I am too poor to give up meat and dairy". PS Is there anything cheaper than brown rice or potatoes?
@NaeOnYT
7 жыл бұрын
Mark, it's not an "either/or" argument. Food insecurity is a real problem here in the US. Even if brown rice and potatoes are cheap, they do not create a nutritionally complete diet on their own. Furthermore, people in food deserts often don't even have access to those staples. The picture of a "typical urban corner shop" on Wikipedia actually makes me tilt my head, because I've taught in communities where the only food source for 40+ miles was a gas station, and it didn't contain all of those canned beans. It was a few shelves of processed foods, almost none of them vegan, and one or two fridges containing things like milk, eggs, iced tea, and frozen dinners. I've never heard somebody say, "I am too poor to give up meat and dairy," but I have heard, "I am too poor to give up most of the already limited food I can access and afford." ETA: Also, please don't forget my point about access to the internet. Many people do not have internet access at home. A 2013 study shows that 84% of US households have a computer, and 73% of households have an internet connection. This matches up to similar numbers provided by PEW. That means roughly 1 out of 4 American households can't access the internet from home, and the internet is a top source of vegan information. This can be abated by having a library with computers, but not every community has such a valuable resource, and/or many people with disabilities or limited funds cannot easily get to their libraries. If we want people to reduce their animal product consumption, then they need access to quality resources so they can maintain a healthy diet and stay on track.
@mkimask
7 жыл бұрын
Nae G once again we are moving towards "if you were on desert island" type of argument. Brown rice and potatoes with some added vegetables/fruits make a perfect vegan diet. I am against the notion that veganism is something only rich can afford. The more you move towards poor people the less animal products they consume. Brazilian people aren't very rich that is why rice and beans are so popular there. In poorest African regions it is most likely that the only food you eat in a day will be few sweet potatoes. My point is that money argument is in favor of veganism. For me phrase "can afford to cut out dairy and meat" makes no sense - animal products were always the privilege of the rich not vice-versa.
@NaeOnYT
7 жыл бұрын
"If you were on a desert island"? Roughly 2 million poor people live in rural areas that are considered food deserts. You can't really compare the US to countries like Brazil in part because it's a smaller country, in part because they have a different food culture. Again, most of the rural poor are only going to get the food that's around them, and if you live in a food desert, the number of vegan options is going to be severely limited. "Brown rice and potatoes with some added vegetables/fruits make a perfect diet"--yeah, they do, if you have access to brown rice, potatoes, and a variety of vegetables. Not everybody does. It's sad, but true. I have taught in places where the only food source for miles was a gas station, and the vegan options on its shelves were bags of microwave rice, peanut butter, bread, jelly, some canned veggies and fruit, and Ramen. That's it. And most of my students could not get to the big grocery stores in the next town; they didn't have cars or, if they had one, they barely had the money to run them.These were not people on a "desert island;" these were our rural poor. You're focusing on what I said about Kathleen in my original post, and sure, I misspoke a little. My point was that she can afford to eat a healthy, BALANCED vegan diet. Many people cannot. They do not have access to those foods. That is something we should be aware of.
So to preface my comment: I am a sustainability advocate and try to live as close to a zero-waste lifestyle as possible. That said, I also have battled disordered eating for most of my life. As a broke college student, I tried to go vegetarian to further lessen my impact on the planet.. to a disastrous effect on my body. As a normally very slim person, I dropped to a scary weight within less than a month due to my disorder, lack of funds, and general lack of knowledge about proper plant based eating. I had, and still have to, eat animal products again to get necessary calories, protein, etc because I cannot restrict my diet at the weight I’m currently at. Which is frustrating, because I would love to eventually go back to plant based. HOWEVER! The moral of my comment is that if you have a passion for the environment but can’t go plant based for whatever reason, that is NOT the end-all be-all of environmentalism like Freely and That Vegan Couple like to proclaim. It’s all about living within your means and being mindful. I can’t be vegan but I CAN do other things to help the planet, such as local litter pickups, climate marches, minimizing plastic use, and transitioning to zero waste products. Its all about doing what you can and making changes where you are able to. Love your videos💛
Valid points made. I've had IBS for 2-3 years and can vouch that going vegan can make symptoms worse if you're not careful what you eat. By eating vegan you will tend to exposure yourself to higher FODMAP foods which can cause digestive distress. I would recommend any IBS sufferers struggling with a vegan diet try a low FODMAP diet (guidance available for free on the NHS in the U.K.) to see if this helps symptoms
@SonaliMankaSingh
7 жыл бұрын
Clayton D Yes. Yes. Yes. Speaking from experience.
Yeah, I always thought Raw Kristina has to be logging a lot of toilet time.
@lollsazz
7 жыл бұрын
Jeff K Freelee too thinks it's fine to poop 6 times a day - keeps her skinny! Not everyone has time to shit all day though
@MartianBlues11
7 жыл бұрын
Jeff K That was artfully phrased. 😂😂😂👌🏾
@RianaWeeana
7 жыл бұрын
Jeff K 😂😂😂 logging
@TinyRedFlags
7 жыл бұрын
Sure you do. If you went thru a period of calorie restriction on a raw vegan diet (such as by always juicing instead of eating meals) and got super skinny, then you resume eating regular meals and this time around include a lot more fats in the form of nuts and seeds (like eating a lot of raw vegan desserts). This could totally cause weight gain of 20 pounds. Remember there are many women who gained weight switching to a Raw til 4 or Fully Raw diet. I was one of them.
@lollsazz
7 жыл бұрын
111gagafan Your're not very smart. Stuff like avocados and nuts have lots of calories, as well as many other raw foods if you eat them in big volumes
I don't understand why anybody who is not that person's doctor, would tell someone to stop medication. It's irresponsible and dangerous. It could be misconstrued as medical advice from a non professional and lawsuit worthy on top of potentially hurting someone.
Actually, people with IBD (Crohn's/UC) can go to the bathroom more than 20 times a day. I kinda wonder whether Saara has IBD, because doctors frequently tell IBD patients to limit fiber because it's irritating to the gut.
@Morfeusm
7 жыл бұрын
abigator oh shit. Literally. That's a lot! And I freaked out when I went 5 times one day...
@nicodemusfleur
7 жыл бұрын
I just commented regarding this - I have UC myself, and when she said that 20 times a day thing (combined with the standard line of "stomach problems", because people would much rather hear that than picture you on the toilet constantly), I definitely thought she might have some chronic intestinal condition - because that for sure happens when people with Crohn's/US are in a flare.
I never thought that could have so many crazy vegans in America... I mean... Here in Brazil most of the vegans I met are cool people, and they don't bother others, like that couple on the video do. Seens like there will always have some super fanatic vegans around. And this is sad...
@saram1596
7 жыл бұрын
Mrs. Cute Quel not america, australians. America is chill AF✌
@juniper617
4 жыл бұрын
TVC are not American.
I have never considered going vegan so seriously as I have been now that I found your channel. Its so good to hear about it from people who dont live in this parallel universe of happiness and health. Thank you!
I have to agree that That Vegan Vegan couple preach a very unhealthy view of veganism. For a long time I watched their videos, but not anymore. For them, veganism is the only way to live life, literally--preaching and speaking about veganism, veganism, and more veganism. No job, no other passions, no friends, no hobbies, no real place to call home, and no belongings. If the entire world went vegan, they'd be lost. They've lost contact with their personalities, and probably no longer recognize themselves, or what they truly want in life aside from 'other people to stop eating animals'. Paradoxically enough, I think that they've lost contact with who they are, or were, as human beings.
Yes! Not a vegan myself however have considered it and making positive changes. I came across the vegan couple when they were bullying Anna saconne after her miscarriage and it completely put me off veganism. Really good to see a vegan standing up against them
I feel like unnatural vegan's seitan recipe is just like the communitychannel's lamington video, we will never see it lol
I remember commenting on one of That Vegan Couple's videos saying "I don't think there's anything wrong with telling people to eat more greens instead of rice for weightloss" and they responded with (something to the extent of) "No, that's a terrible idea. That will make people undercarbed and go back to eating animals!!!!!!" and I was embarrassed at the time for my comment that I deleted it. Now I know better lol and I was right.
i really really wish people would just stick with the ethical argument for being vegan. Veganism is healthy yes but it is not magic. I came to this lifestyle thinking it was magic (because of certain youtubers) and i've since encountered multiple digestive issues (mostly due to my past of disordered eating) and still am.The only thing that's keeping me around through this pain is the animals and because i "woke up" to the fact that being rawtill4 or raw vegan is not going to help me out (quite the opposite really). People still face health issues with veganism and maximum of these digestive issues are caused by bizarre diets advocated by vegan youtubers with absolutely zero scientific knowledge on nutrition. I feel like Saara was definitely fooled by one of these youtubers into thinking 10 banana smoothies would heal your body. I'm pretty sure eating pbj toast or a bowl of cereal for breakfast would not be the cause of 20 dumps. I hope she sees this video and reconsiders but until then we have the vegan cult of youtube to thank for yet another casualty.
I think it's simple: veganism can be easy, especially with the right mindset and support, it can be delicious and healthy, but you shouldn't expect it to be a magical cure for everything. I have quite a big circle of vegan friends and most don't feel very different (physically) than they did before. Personally, I do have much more energy now but I eat significantly more fruits and vegetables on a daily basis, and I also started taking vitamin D which I should have done much sooner because we don't get a lot of sun here. My energy drops when I eat too much junk food for a while and/or stop exercising.
I can't stand That Vegan Couple. Condescending, creepy, and ineffective.
Telling someone veganism will cure their depression is one of the most dangerous thing I’ve heard in awhile. Incredibly irresponsible and down right malicious.
I totally relate to feeling great at first and then realizing you've been in denial about the negatives. Not in terms of veganism, but when I was on birth control for really bad cramps for the first few months I was in denial even with myself about the negatives. It wasn't until 6 months later that I started admiring that they made me gain weight, I had nausea, I had migraines, etc etc.
Yes, they are riddiculous. But wait, isn't Saara riddicoulous, too? Come on, making a video about going vegan, calling it off after three weeks (she was vegan like what, two months?) She is not saying she will be vegetarian (=less fiber, still contributing), she's not saying she tried to change her vegan diet. I know doctors and to-be-doctors and trust me, they have shitload of work, and they are not necesairly nutritionists (which is absolutely crazy of That Vegan Couple to demand that - do they realize how complex and vast field of medicine is? Doctors have limited time, let them focus on their damn fields! Anyway, some of them do know about nutrition - dermatologists, gastrologists etc. but they are not your primary doctors. I don't see That Vegan Couple making degrees one after another.), and if you come to your primary doctor saying 'I felt good, changed diet, I feel bad' it is just common sense to say 'go back to your previous diet!', they won't have time time to hold your hand and analyze Earthlings versus blood test with you while eating low fiber hummus. If you watch her going vegan video, she says this generic bullshit, I mean, excuse me, three weeks in and you hair grows like crazy? I totally agree with you that soon after change it was probably psychological, but anyway, making this transition 'like that' while having stomach issues? Without doing even a blood test or resarching what micro/macronutrients should be avoided? She fell into fashion trap without preparing (yes, when you have a condition you have to prepare extra) and I don't feel like we have to shield her from 'those crazy vegans', who actually this time weren't that inaccurate and mad in their opinions.
@justdoit6706
7 жыл бұрын
3 weeks isn't 2 months lol, 2 months is a very good amount of time to judge the diet effects and is enough time to see effects. Your hair grows a couple inches a month so yes she'd be able to see faster hair growth in that amount of time. I don't agree however with her quitting because of stomach issues worsening. She probably has IBS or something in which a handful of vegetables are worse than others for stomach issues. There's a whole bunch of issues with her quitting for that reason but yeah she gave it enough time for the basic effects.
@nottooherbal
7 жыл бұрын
hadassahabey. I agree with you. Your comment covers a lot and does it well
@hadassahabey
7 жыл бұрын
Just Do It Hey, I get your point :) but please notice that she mentioned her fast-growing hair in her first video - about a month after going vegan (as well as her skin- one cycle is not enough to see a pattern, although I'm not saying she didn't have better skin after a month!). It takes quite a sometime for microelements from plants to act on your hair growth. It's better not to advertize veganism like that if we want to avoid more 'Why I'm not longer vegan' videos.
I haven't watched your videos for a couple of weeks now, but I am so happy I found my way back. You are one of the major reasons why I try to reduce my animal product intake as much as possible, because you are so rational and so good at what you do. I really appreciate that you take so much time explaining why all activism isn't automatically great and awesome. Words mean things and I don't know why so many people haven't grasped that idea yet. So.. yay you!
My primary reason for being vegan is the health benefits. The ethical benefits are also very nice but secondary. If there's little or no long term health benefits, then I'm not sure if I'll stay vegan. I dunno how much you watched Dr. Greger's stuff, but there's a huge amount of research about the health benefits of not eating animal products. And if you think that people should listen to experts and doctors, that is what he is. He might make a mistake sometimes but that doesn't mean that most of what he says is untrue or hyperbole.
That Vegan Couple: It's all fake news unless it supports our personal beliefs and ideologies.
Completely off topic, but when are you due? Do you plan on showing your baby in a video one day? How do you feel about KZread/major social media families showing their young children all the time? Would you mind doing a video on these subjects?
@alastarcl
7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting questions! I hope she does make a video about it. :)
@mucie
7 жыл бұрын
She won't show her baby, nor tell the gender/name
@arthurfremminger1680
7 жыл бұрын
I guess we'll have to wait for WikiLeaks to reveal the gender...
@instinctivelychelsea2905
7 жыл бұрын
Jaune John which I think is kinda I dunno like does she think it's for protection or something, talk about not getting personal with fans... talk about sketchy too, no man no baby we sure she really has both and isn't just getting fat?
@arthurfremminger1680
7 жыл бұрын
+HeyItsMe Like any UnnaturalVegan video, we can't be sure of what's true without at least four PubMed studies to back up the claim.
When i went vegan, all the fiber did cause me digestive issues. Mainly constipation, and i can tell you i did not take one single shit in a day! The reason was that i did not eat enough fats, as a vegetarian my fats came from eggs and cheese. So cutting them out, i was left with basically no fats. After i added suitable amount of fats on all my foods, it solved it. You need fats if you are eating lots of fiber, they act as a lubricant in the the colon so shit can move. New vegans do not know where to get plant based fats. And all the idiots advocating low fat diets, even when plant fats are mostly just super good and have no cholesterol. Now i know, and make sure that all my foods have suitable amount of fats. One good thing is ground flaxseeds, you can add them in pasta sauce and it will work as a thickener. Just add them last, as you wont want to heat up fats too much or they will break. Also, most of these youtubers are going vegan and off vegan for views. As it will cause drama and response videos and all that crap. Most of them have no idea of what proper nutrition is, so it's pretty impossible to switch to vegan diet after not knowing how to eat in the first place. You need to know how to balance your diet, to be interested in nutrition contents and all that at least for the first months. Unless you have a person who can form you a proper diet.
@instinctivelychelsea2905
7 жыл бұрын
jannu jokunen you couldn't eat nuts ? or add vegan butter to things ? drink water ? I don't think it was being vegan alone , not to mention you don't just go vegan and than not , it's not a diet it's a lifestyle and if your doing it for the animals which is why you should be doing it and made the connection then you couldn't in good conscious ever go back to eating meat and animal products.
@OhNoBob
7 жыл бұрын
Oh shut up Heyitsme, attempting to guilt trip people into eating a diet that needs troubleshooting rather than being helpful or understanding is a hallmark sign of an insufferable vegan.
@ameliorated
7 жыл бұрын
did they ever say they went back to animal based fats? no they say they now eat flax seeds....
@kimberlyestrada2243
7 жыл бұрын
They... are ....still.... vegan... calm down dudes, they were proving a point that it's just about tweaking you own diet. They were vegetarian and went vegan but had trouble. so they learned to incorporate more fats. that's all they're trying to say
Perhaps all the other vegans will have to eventually acknowledge: one specific diet doesn't work for everyone.
Have to say its always a pleasure to read through your comments and see all the non-crazy vegans being all reasonable and understanding. Life is not black and white and not everyone can go fully vegan. Every step towards veganism is a positive step in the right direction which should be encrouaged instead of being shamed for not being pure enough. As a non-vegan (I'm semi-vegeterian) the crazy angry vegans who attack with anti science propoganda really put me off. They exaggerate everything to push their agenda and I think they are deluded. But this is where the rational people hang out, which gives me hope, you don't have to be crazy to be vegan :)
"Freelee" fucked up Vegan for all of us.
That vegan couple also said that service dogs are not vegan.
The real story's really simple: 1. she wasn't cured by vegan diet 2. and she really missed her sausage 3. so she stopped being vegan 4. but she won't tell you that.
@worldchangebyconsciousness245
7 жыл бұрын
2 huge point why people are not healthy. 1. unhealthy brain-washed mindset, full of deep emotional connections and easy triggered of the wrong stuff. 2. nerve really checked their posture/nervous system. (john bergman) you can live as healthy as you want, you still stay sick if your nervous system doesn't work right. but people like never get that. like they are too ignorant for it. i hope that changes someday. i have huge experience in this 2 matters. so i have all the right to speak up in that way. i see people and it is like 99% the same thing, again and again. a nervous system that doesn't work right and a brain-washed mindset of this system in that we live. do our parents and system teach us to think for itself and don't believe other's so easily? that mainstream media and doctors are ususally wrong if it comes to our best? that very poor lifestyle with sitting all day, not much exercises or non is very unhealthy in long term? just saying once a week is not being a good mother or father.
that vegan couple makes me want to flip a table - they are so smug and closeminded. the best thing for veganism is to just support reduction of animal products and not demand absolute purity
THANK YOU. I watched them when I first transitioned from vegetarianism to veganism, along with people like Freelee, Nina and Randa, etc. As someone who needs to take medication for depression and hating the stigma behind it, I was convinced that eating enough fruit would magically make me better, I was incredibly afraid of eating fat, I was fearful of medications and supplements -- I was constantly sick, malnourished, incredibly depressed. I'm not usually someone who jumps on these sort of trends, but when you see videos of these passionate people as the main face of veganism it's painfully easy to confuse their misinformation with facts. If I hadn't been vegetarian for so long before I know I would have given up a lot easier and it scares me how many people we're turning away with people like this as the face of veganism.
I stopped watching their videos a while ago. Natasha kept getting angrier at the camera. Nobody owes them an explanation on their life choices. I believe they have removed themselves from reality. They live in a bubble where only what they are saying and how they are living is the only right choice.
Swayze, thank you for being the voice of reason amongst the crowd of toxic vegan youtubers. I know you must receive so much hate and probably one good comment doesn't matter much, but I think your channel is a gem so please continue with your great, thoughtful content :)
I had the SAME THING! I started a vegan diet and felt amazing cuz I was so thrilled and excited about all the new recipes and the new experience in general and then after a year I noticed I couldn’t maintain the diet...don’t wanna talk down on veganism at all but this is actually true
Never clicked a video so fast! Love your logical approach.
Totally agree!! I used to watch TVC and really liked them at first. As I spent a longer time being vegan I started to become disillusioned. Their continued effort to promote themselves as health experts because they have been vegan for a long time became infuriating. Cant watch any more. Thanks for being a real world vegan who remains rational.
why did she not ask her doctor to give her advise on how to manage her medical condition on a vegan diet? on a side note vegans not taking non-vegan medicine is stupid.
I had an encounter whit a KZreadr like this two folks a year ago. I had a horrible experience! He was pretty aggressive on how I should eat , think or even breathe, at one point he called me mediocre for just being the way I am, of course I hated him and everything that has to do with veganism, I thought all vegans were like this dude. I’m now going back to a vegan diet, after reading a few books and just learning what my body needs. It is people like you that make me think not all vegans are jerks and that is not as hard as it looks, thanks so much for being yourself and for being tolerant! Love your channel!
I admit that I do have a soft spot for That Vegan Couple because I've been following them since their channel first began, long ago, and I saw their humble beginnings. They're also Aussies, like me. They have inspired me and helped me many times to stay vegan. I really do want to like them, and part of me does, and I'm sure they are lovely in person. Yet, I understand where you're coming from - they should stop nit-picking the subjective experiences of other people.
And all they ever do is reference nutrition facts!!!! Goddamit, read other stuff too!!!!
Thank you, for this. I was vegan, but it made my digestive problems worse. turns out it was a very serious issue with my lower esophagus and upper stomach. It not something veganism can cure. So it's nice to see someone not bashing her for trying to get to the root of her problem.
I am super shocked on the dangerous advice that they gave to the person on tumblr... Omg you can't tell anyone to just eat a vegan diet and then you don't need your medication anymore... That's terrible
Increased risk of death? I know what they mean, but their choice of words is hilarious. How much higher than a one hundred percent chance of death can you go?
They're so judgmental, i'm glad you made this video!
I was kicked out of a facebook vegan group about a bad judgement. I was visiting family, there was no vegan food, I was hungry, and I ate a chicken nugget when no one was looking. I felt terrible for doing it and wanted to know if anyone else ever had a lapse in judgement - not to comfort myself, really, but to know if anyone ever made exceptions. 20 responses of shame and I was kicked.I prefer your perspective and it's the idea that keeps me "trying". Albeit, failing several times, accepting that trying is better than not. Thanks for being a voice of reason.
I had some serious issues going vegan at first. I stuck with it and figured out the things that might be going wrong. I'm glad I was able to find info out there with people discussing the problems with standard vegan advice. Tbh, it's not a miracle pill. I was feeling my healthiest on a pescatarian diet, skin looked amazing and whatnot, and I'm hoping to get there with veganism, but it's hard when veganism isn't looked at through a pragmatic lens. It's not automatically better or healthier no matter what you do. Because non-vegan foods are more widely available, it's easier to get in all your nutrition with them. So research is required with veganism.
I freaking love you. I always watch vegan youtubers and buy into a lot of the bs and then i come back to your channel for actual science and realize that veganism is not black and white. Thanks for these videos!
Maybe Saara increased her fiber intake too rapidly. Roberta H. Anding (MS, RD/LD, CSSD, CDE and professor at Baylor College of Medicine with over 30 years of experience in nutritional science) in her course Nutrition Made Clear, said that when a person wants to increase the consumption of fiber, he or she is to do so gradually. For example, if one decides to change from low fiber cereal to one with more fiber, she suggests to star by mixing the two, the first day mix 1/4 (serving) of the high fiber cereal and 3/4 (serving) of the low fiber and increase the ratio of high fiber cereal every few days. In addition Dr. Joel Fuhrman in his book "The End of Diabetes", recommends that when a person wants to increase his or her consumption of beans to do so gradually because they can be hard to digest at first but the body will get used to them.
I've had the same problem as Saara had with the vegan diet - I literally pooped 15 times a day. No exaggeration.
My friend was a raw vegan until she ended up in hospital, she stayed there for 2 weeks... In my country she's kind of a big deal among raw vegans... So she's still promoting raw veganism as something amazing and healthy just because it brings her money, even though she's not even a vegan, she's a vegetarian now...
Vegansism is giving Australians a bad name.
@yourjoywillturntoashesinyo3844
7 жыл бұрын
No. It's the other way around. Freelee, That Vegan Couple and Durianrider give veganism a bad name.
@Morfeusm
7 жыл бұрын
Kayissa LI no, crazy vegans give veganism bad name
@TwigAndRockCereal
7 жыл бұрын
Kayissa LI That is what I meant. I was being sarcastic lol.
@TwigAndRockCereal
7 жыл бұрын
Morfeus True.
the real question is , is unnatural vegan good for veganism? i dont understand her goal, is she trying to help the vegan message or? i just dont understand her goal
@yms4355
7 жыл бұрын
YES. She promotes why dairy "Isn't bad for you" and why almost all vegan professors are sh*t to Unna... Iiiiii don't get Unna's point, either.
The only reason I'm vegan is because I want to reduce animal cruelty. I don't think veganism cures everything. I don't think it's some magic diet that makes everything in your life better. There are definitely pros and cons to this lifestyle. There are pros and cons to any lifestyle or diet. You have to choose the one you can live with.
TVC's argument at 9:45 just astonishes me. Her doctor is not increasing her risk of death by sending her back to a non-vegan diet. Even if that diet is linked to 14 out of 15 leading causes of death. All of those things MAY happen to her (if she goes to McDonald's every day or something), but there is no clear sign that they WILL affect her. However, it is very clear that the vegan diet she was following was in fact directly harmfull to her. Which means that even though those 14 things may be on the list of things she might get on a non-vegan diet, this does not outweigh the risk that comes with the one thing she already got (or worsened) on a vegan diet. If I'd be severely allergic to strawberries and I had to choose between eating a burger or a strawberry, I am clearly not going to not eat the burger, because it on average is more unhealthy. It would be the healthier choice for me to eat the burger, because the strawberry might kill me instantly, but I'd live another 60 years eating burgers. You cannot decide what one person should eat, based on the average person.
doctors have barely any nutrition training
@arghirrellle
5 жыл бұрын
So do ordinary humans... we still don't know shit other than veggies and fruits are good.
@xSwordLilyx
5 жыл бұрын
if you have Chrohns, UC, or IBD, the advice given is completely sound. a low fiber diet is very important for remission, control of your disease and frequency of symptoms, and quality of life with your condition. a low fiber vegan diet, possibly with other trigger exclusions, is unlikely to be healthy. If you do not have any of these, you cannot understand the pain you go through just because of what you chose to eat. It was beyond my threshold of possibility in my mind before I experienced it.
no matter how healthy you eat or how clean you eat your mental health will demolish all of that i talk from experience.. having got shingles before because i suffer from chronic stress & low immunity because of bipolar (which runs in the family) its a case of trying to control my moods or i 100% will be sick as a dog or worse in hospital septic because my hormones are bouncing off the walls causing infections etc
I went vegan during high school and into my first semester of college. However, our campus did not have a lot of vegan options and I quickly dropped twenty pounds and had a major iron/b12 deficiency within a month of eating there. I honestly felt there couldn't be an "in between" and so I went back to a normal omnivorous diet. It sucks that vegans often put so much pressure for perfectionism. I probably could have eaten MOSTLY vegan or vegetarian and eaten minimal meat in a day and felt completely fine. But, there's this toxic idea that you have to be fully, perfectly vegan or vegetarian. I recently went back to veganism and I am going to be easier on myself now if I don't feel well while doing it. Even lowering the amount of meat you eat is good for the environment, even if you don't give it up completely. Don't let people bully you into thinking it's black and white.
@daria5846
4 жыл бұрын
It's so annoying and I've gotten into fights because of this all the time. I also don't understand why so many vegans are so harsh on others when the circumstances don't always allow them to go that far... I usually just tell people to do what they can do. If that's being fully vegan, great. If it's just being partially vegan, that's fine too. Like you said it's really not black and white.
Saara probably felt great the first month because she was giving up processed/junk food.
when I get filthy rich, I'm going to pay you to read me bed time stories.
Why do some vegans care so much about what other people eat? Like eat your tofu and let everyone else eat their steak, do other people’s diets really affect your life that much?
"Most of us do not have that option"....... UV ALWAYS uses this broken logic..... It is not because it is not wildly spread that the advice is crap. If this is the way to go, it has to be pushed forward, we collectively have to create demand, we have to be the change we want to see. When you loose your excuses, you find your results, UNLESS you are "just" interested by a solution, and not committed because of CONVINIENCE.
I can’t believe these two lunatics actually told a person on anti depressants to just follow their diet and they won’t need the meds anymore... I hope this person didn’t listen to them.
@daria5846
4 жыл бұрын
Bine E. Chandler Being vegan is not a magical cure for all problems. I'm vegan and struggle with depression, but those are two totally different things. I ain't gonna stop taking my meds😂
I know this video is from 2016 but I just discovered this channel and omg, I'm so happy!
I LOVE this vegan because she’s not bashing people that aren’t vegan!
What comes across from That Vegan Couple is that they think you can only be acceptable as a human if your vegan, that the only permissible and decent way of living is veganism and that you have no choice other than being vegan, if you want compassion, support and normal respect. If you're not vegan, you're flawed, weak, or even a bad person. If you can't keep up a vegan diet/life style, you're not trying hard enough to meet their very strict standards for being considered a person. +Unnatural Vegan Have you ever made a video about how veganism can be kind of a religious belief or a deity to people, that they use to shield themselves against existential human fears, like fear of sickness or death?
TLDR; great video! It's nice to come across an open-minded vegan. :D You have a new subscriber. This is the first video that I've watched on your channel, and I'm so happy to have found someone like you on here! I was a fan of TVC when they began receiving recognition. They had around 40 000 subscribers when I became a fan, and they were much different back then. Their videos primarily focused on why they became vegan, the various health problems they've overcome because of their new diet, their minimalist life, etc. They're genuinely great people. The volunteer work that they've done in the past is inspiring, and they seem to have good intentions. That being said... their popularity began to escalate once they started "critiquing" big names on KZread (granted that you are critiquing them as well... but you're not as hostile). They've essentially become Freelee (ugh). While I want to believe that their heart is in the right place, spreading the vegan message and all, I wouldn't be as annoyed with them if they avoided the extremist route. I've made a lot of people in my life reconsider their meat consumption because of my choice to eliminate it all together. No condemning and/or aggressive judgement was necessary for that to come into effect. All that was needed was simple facts that I know are true, and that was enough. I didn't give out half ass facts because I don't have the qualifications to answer a lot of questions that a doctor and/or RD can. Their answer to that fan's mental health question really set me off, and that's enough for me to finally unsubscribe from their channel. I already deleted them off Snapchat because I was tired of their lack of variety in their meal planning, plus their stories were just way too long to watch in a day. I'm glad for what I learned from TVC, such as some facts about factory farming and environmental issues. However, now they are equivalent to the close-minded extremists that you find in politics, religion, etc., and we know how effective that is. :) (*heavy sarcasm*) Thanks for this refreshing perspective. You have a new subscriber!
Could you make a video about NinaandRanda and their diet promotion excluding ALL fat from their followers diet? They even said in their taste test video with Rawvana that they don't care about calcium! so so dangerous thinking that most of their followers must be young girls :/
@Haru-gb6gh
7 жыл бұрын
Don't worry,, no one would be able to stick to such a boring and depressing diet for long. Most people will start craving fat if they cut it out completely.
@raghadgibreel7564
7 жыл бұрын
wortumherwerfer No no no. Nina and Randa eat very FEW fats. It's almost impossible to eat non fat, so they ARE getting their essential fats, but apparently it helps with their skin, which they clarified in numerous videos. It's not something they ENCOURAGE but just recommend for people with severe acne to try.
@wortumherwerfer
7 жыл бұрын
I see where you are coming from but I still find it inappropriate to create a "fat phobia" amongst young girls and I highly doubt that they meet their micronutrients, I'm not even sure about their macros. I wouldn't really care, they can eat whatever they want but they DO promote their way of eating and THIS I find irresponsible. It's high time someone spoke publicly about this topic and The Unnatural Vegan seems perfect for it :)
Honestly I'd love to go vegan but some people need to understand that not everyone can go vegan. Like I was like Born last week so like I'm still growing so my parents shove milk down my throat and I'm really anemic so I need to have a shit ton of iron and I can't get that with most foods because I'm allergic to soy peas nuts etc so I have to rely on fish. It's so annoying that people will practically attack you if you're not vegan it's genuinely not healthy for a lot of people and personally I'd rather like not diE so I think I'll stay pescetarian
@worldchangebyconsciousness245
7 жыл бұрын
you mean, not every kid is allowed from its parent to go vegan but every adult can go vegan. yes, i agree with that.
@ethicalvegan4852
7 жыл бұрын
Ash Quinn X veganism is the original human food, SO GIRL, EVERY HUMAN IN THIS EARTH CAN BE VEGAN
@hailee96
7 жыл бұрын
Ash Quinn X I was iron anaemic for 6 years before going vegan. Since changing my diet I haven't had a problem with my iron levels. Knowing about nutrition and what you're eating is the key, not eating animal products
That is always something I can just never watch freelee for, she at used to get on even vegetarian youtubers about how unhealthy they must be and always seemed to conclude that people who ate ANY animal product could not possibly be considered healthy, like eating small amounts cheese or milk was like smoking a pack of cigarettes and eating mcdonalds every day
I don't know if you've seen Freelee's video on this, but Freelee DOES address the comment Saara makes about having thought a vegan diet would cure her stomach issues, and she also finds a way to skirt around it, saying that the only reason Saara didn't progress with it and find success was that she thought of it as a DIET and if she had been fully committed she would never have eaten her friends. Freelee comes right out and tells Saara she was never vegan. Freelee then goes on to offer her usual anecdotal evidence of how raw til 4 cured her of her own stomach issues and if Saara commits and does veganism correctly then she will have no problem with her stomach. I'm vegan, but sometimes I get pissed about how a lot of vegans seem to have some ridiculous come back for everything. Yes, there are people who present excuses or who don't want to do the work to be vegan. But there are also people with legitimate health concerns, and brushing these people aside like their concerns don't matter or their problems are their own fault because they keep fucking up is irresponsible and not very compassionate. It's like some vegans need to invalidate those who aren't vegan right down to their every thought, feeling, and concern and it's viewed as a way to spread the message and get people to go vegan. Ummmm no....it's a way to alienate people and show what an asshole you can be.
I subbed to you two years before I even went vegan. after watching TVC for a few days (they showed up in recommended videos) I made the switch. Some people need their approach.
Vegan Couple creeps me the hell out!
reading the answers on their tumblr page makes me certain of where not go for advice... those answers were actually terrible. did they also delete the question about anti-depressants?
I have never been able to watch an entire video of that vegan couple. A couple of times I would start and after 10 minutes I would go "yawn, yawn....I've heard enough". Not only are their videos very long (one hour on average), but they use a lot of pseudo science and they're what I call "religious vegans". In other word, people who are unwilling to see things for what they are, and will say that "veganism is PERFECT, no matter what", basically the same attitude that religious people have towards religion. I am very much plant based but I like to know the facts and the pros and shortcomings of veganism, rather than see it through a pink colored lens.
Swayzee I like your videos but lately I've noticed that you come across as extremely patronising every time you do a little snigger after most things you say.
those people make me cringe so hard
The problem is that some people (myself included, when I was on a meat diet and when I 'started' the vegan diet) just do not get enough of ALL the nutrients they need to put into their body in a day, no matter what diet they are on, and as a result of these deficiencies, problems start to arise. My friend who was on a meat diet all her life, became Vit B-12 deficient, and when I became vegan before educating myself more on what foods to make up my calories....I had an idea and was getting recipes off the net, but after reading "How Not To Die" by Dr Michael Greger, I am now getting a more balanced diet into my daily caloric intake. If someone gets a health problem while on a meat diet, and then switch to a vegan diet to get rid of the problem and to get healthier, will not improve it, if their vegan diet does not include a balance of all nutrients the body needs in a day. Vegan diet just means not eating any animal products, that in itself will not make one healthy, if one is not putting all the minerals and vitamins needed daily (ex: eating Oreos all day). One needs to eat a balanced whole food and plant based diet and not eat too many processed vegan foods and sugars and oils. This book was a lifesaver for me. Everyone should read it!! Very good guideline in this book to help you keep your diet balanced and get all the nutrients you need !! Eating animal products does not make you healthy by any means, it is definitely a gradual decline of ones body over time "prematurely", but a vegan diet is not healthy either, if you do not eat "healthy" vegan foods!!
I love your practical, no nonsense approach to discussing veganism. I think that is more beneficial in promoting veganism than the fear/attack based vegans. One thing we should be honest about as vegans is that in order to be a healthy vegan we really need to do research about nutrition, nutrients, vitamins and minerals, etc. This is especially true when it comes to those with health issues, especially digestive issues that may already have restricting diets. Yes, it is the healthiest way to eat for most people, but it's not a "cure all" for everyone. I had several minor health issues before I went vegan/plant based. Have they greatly improved in the last 4 1/2 years? Absolutely. Are all of them completely gone? No. But they are far less than before. I think a lot of us as vegans are afraid to discuss health issues we may have for fear of making veganism look bad. It is sad that we have to think that way.