Small correction @ 2:12: The Toyota 2000GT used an inline 6 cylinder engine, not a V6. I've really been enjoying watching your brief history videos on sports car racing; they definitely deserve more views!

@automobilistic

Жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right, thanks! And I'm really glad you've been enjoying the videos!

@andreamassara590

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it is a very common mistake. Many people very often refer to a "V6" for any type of six-cylinder engine.

@jarnosaarinen4583

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that too! I6 not V6

@lorenzodicosmo2708

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know if i should “learn” things from a video that confuses an inline 6 with a v6😅

@gullreefclub

Жыл бұрын

Another small mistake is the small block Chevrolet was known as the 5.7 liters (aka 350cid). The 5.8 liter designation is/was used by Ford 351 and the 5.0 liter being the Ford 302

Toyota: *Makes a featherweight, barely controllable LM car with deadly amounts of torque and horsepower with 70s' barebone technology* Also Toyota: "Oh no, why do we keep crashing???"

@leandrociarrapico9256

Жыл бұрын

Also Toyota: maybe adding big turbos to the 578A will help to solve these problems...

@apophisstr6719

Жыл бұрын

@@leandrociarrapico9256 As Jeremy Clarkson once said: "Power solves, many things!"

@DjDolHaus86

Жыл бұрын

In fairness this was a fairly common design trend at the time, if your car hadn't killed or seriously injured someone it probably wasn't competitive

@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo

Жыл бұрын

I know you made a joke..... But McLaren and Porsche would make that power for the can am series and they didn't have a crashing problem...... So it wasn't a "70s" problem.......

@Osaka_Ai

Жыл бұрын

Group 7 is not a part of lm iirc, but can-am

Imagine driving this at the Nordschleife at midnight

@JeanTudela

Жыл бұрын

Are you looking for death? lmao

@rouxgreasus

Жыл бұрын

@@JeanTudela I said this because somebody actually did it in gran turismo i think

@Fastvoice

Жыл бұрын

@@rouxgreasus AFAIK the GT version of the car has no headlights so you'd drive more or less blind, right?

@rouxgreasus

Жыл бұрын

@@Fastvoice right

@genericmodz

Жыл бұрын

@@rouxgreasus I was just going to say I'm sure someone did it in gran turismo

The old FIA groups in a few words · Group 1 = Even more stock than Group N · Group 2 = Group N · Group 3 = A bit more trick than Group N · Group 4 = Group A · Group 5 = Group B · Group 6 = Group C · Group 7 (that's why it's called Toyota 7) = Can-Am and crazier shit

@288gto7

Жыл бұрын

As far as rallying goes, group 4 turned into group B , and Group 2 turned into Group A in early 80s. Then group B died and group A became the "top class" in 1987. there was also a group b circuit racing series planned but it never happened. Thats also why people mistakely say ferrari developed 288 gto and porsche developed 959 for "group b rally racing" when in reality both were developed for the planned upcoming gr b circuit racing which never happened. Porsche then turned the 959 into the 961 and raced it in le mans in another class

@therrydicule

Жыл бұрын

You are not far. Group 3 was a sort of stock gt thing, so.... Closer to GT4/GT3 and perhaps R-Gt depending of interpretation. Sometime some touring car did get in the mix, but than a Camaro could also register in TCR provide that GM were to sale some with a 2.0 liter turbo. Group 5 were silouhete derived from any car legal in group 1, 2, 3, or 4. So it's more DTM Class 1/Super Gt/SCCA Trans-Am "TA1." Albeit group 5 really went really nuts on the aero. I think that some professional class time attack car would fit parts of Group 5 spirits (the aero is there, the engine doesn't really respect the endurance demands asked by group 5 at the time). Group 4 had specials car (Stratos), overpowered GTs (AC Cobra), and all sort of cars. So Groupe Cn, GT3, R-Gt, and perhaps even WRC cars. Group B was though as a merger of group 4 and 5. It really didn't go as planned. I know it sounds weird to say... But where was group B circuit racing? That was parts of the FIA plan... Oddly enough, some group B car become the basis for some GT1 cars. Group 1 was weird... You had Group 1A and Group 1B at some points. So group N, street stock, showroom stock. Group 2 basically become group A with some twist... Take a group A car, remove 20 HP off, put a carburetor on, and change the tires and you got close to group 2ish car that won't pass the inspection for historical racing (and get the technician looking at the cars asking "what is wrong with you?") Group 6 were 2 seaters and spider. Nk closed cockpits in group 6. But it is truth that it been replaced by group C, however sometimes they asked for minimum production in group 6 (not group c)... So it's basically become anything from some group CN derived hill climb car to LMP-1. The Porsche 908 was also group 6, so some 2 seaters hill-climb car fits here... Group 7 were 2 seaters sport cars without production limits and very open rules. The closet thing to thag are group E 2-seaters sport car used in European hill climb nowadays. Like that Norma M20 FC of Simone Faggioli. Group 7 was also used in hill climb with smaller engine and smaller weight: group 7 circuit racing were monsters, but group E allows to take that Norma and put a 6 liter V8 in it... Group 8 - yeah, nobody talks about group 8 ever! What's going on here? It would be such a popular class today. Today, we would call Group 8 formula 1, formula 2, formula 3, and formula 4 - and back than it was more often call formula 1, formula 2, formula 3... However, under some annex, these were refered as group 8 cars. What's going on is the FIA bring weird.

@dylansmit3883

Жыл бұрын

Sadly this isn't very accurate because the FIA kept changing the definitions. For instance, the three liter Le Mans prototypes were at one point in Group 5, and then it became Group 6. They were all over the place back then

@therrydicule

Жыл бұрын

@@dylansmit3883 Truth ;) But I think we can call group 5 circa 1970 to 1975 "group 6" to simplify conversation. Because from 66 to 69 and 76 to 82 they were Silouhette... But than, from 58 to 59, group 6 was gt specials (such as the Ferrari 250 GTO) and group 5 was "modified GT series production." Or we can use the technical name and tell the FIA to stop annoying people with their undecisive bureaucracy (for instance use the term silouhette, production sport car, grand touring regardless of the class name by the FIA).

@0047sssss

Жыл бұрын

@@288gto7 If Porsche didn't develop the 959 for rallying why did they take the 959 to Paris Dakar then?

It's a shame this series of racing hasn't been explored much in gaming outside of Rfactor mods.

@pctshooter

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree! SportsCar GT was my game back in the '90s.

@andre13silvi

Жыл бұрын

Well, if you want to there's the GPL Can Am mod, or the gr.6 mod in GTR 2. Graphics might not be the best but the feeling is surely there

@Ferrari255GTO

Жыл бұрын

I gotta check if there is a Toyota 7 for AC

@scottl.1568

Жыл бұрын

Gran Turismo 4 says hi

@Ferrari255GTO

Жыл бұрын

@@scottl.1568 And psp too

I have a Japanese magazine containing pictures of the deadly LM prototype. It was called the T-6, and intended for FIA Group 6 competition at Le Mans. It was a massive-looking long tail beast with transparent lexan panels in the sides for airflow testing through the radiators. I'm hoping to get an article out on it soon.

@DanimalZ32

6 ай бұрын

Any updates on the article?

Interesting video, read Vic Elford's (RIP) thoughts as one of the test drivers for this program in his Golden Age book, along with his Toyota Crown rally experiences. Toyota asked him to help based on his relationship and technical feedback with Porsche at the time. He mentioned the Japanese drivers had a rather kamikaze attitude to driving which might be evident in the events suggested in this video.

Mate, you don't know how happy and nostalgic your perfect videos make me feel😊

@automobilistic

2 жыл бұрын

That makes me happy too!! Glad you like the videos :)

Amazing footage. Don't think I've ever seen video of the old fuji banking being used. Just still shots.

Really good video, your work deserves way more views for sure. Keep it up!

@automobilistic

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Really glad you enjoyed the video :)

I hate this goddamn car in Gran Turismo. It is an absolute nightmare to drive. Minimal downforce, shitty brakes, wheel spin when trying to accelerate out of basically every corner... Better off going with the Chapparal 2J, and that thing is basically a washing machine on wheels. I never knew the history behind the 7, but given the way this damn thing handles in the old GT games when I bust them out for nostalgic purposes, it isn't at all surprising to find out that it was a literal deathtrap in real life. This is definitely interesting content, I must say.

@nigel900

Жыл бұрын

It’s a game. 👍🏻

@gx1tar1er

Жыл бұрын

Even AI can barely drive this car in the game lol

SO nostalgic hearing that toyota dealership music once again.

@ManWithBeard1990

Жыл бұрын

The one in the beginning of the video is actually the Mitsubishi dealership music.

@slash3503

Жыл бұрын

@@ManWithBeard1990 nerd

Fantastic video. This is a terrible tragedy, two lives lost for what in the end would have just been "prestige" that would be used for marketing. Great use of Gran Turismo and providing background to the cars in the game. Looking forward to the next video. Keep up the good work.

Amazing how much that thing looks like a Chapparal...

@starguy2718

Жыл бұрын

Did Toyota hire Jim Hall as a consultant?

May I ask if maybe you know the exact point when Otsubo crashed at the Fuji Speedway? Could it be the fearsome downhill banking at the end of the main straight, the infamous Daiichi? if took at high speeds, that dangerous spiralling-down banking was absolutely a threat to the rigidity of cars for the extreme G-forces acting up (or should I say... DOWN) over the frame rigidity - and I suppose that such a corner could had teared the Yamaha's chassis to pieces... or maybe it crubled to pieces after several passages on the banking only to fall apart further inside the course, possibly towards the Hairpin or the 300R, causing the crash. These are only speculations of mine, but they are very likely to be true... I leave the truth of the facts to you. 👍

@automobilistic

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the crash took place at Daiichi. Of course given the year it took place this would have been the Fuji Speedway's original layout, but as you mentioned Daiichi became famous for its serious crashes, stressing the chassis' of the cars beyond what they could handle. This is likely exactly why Toyota chose to test there, and its extremely lucky that Otsubo wasn't seriously injured that day.

Amazing video again! Never new this story of the car. Can always count on you for this stuff👍👍

@automobilistic

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!! Really glad you enjoyed the video :)

Riveted chassis components are generally also bonded in both automotive and rail applications now. Makes them much stronger.

i love the gt5 thumbnail lol

Thanks for bringing some light on the well hidden story of one of my favourite racing prototypes known. I always looked in awe at the numbers the twin turbo version was capable of on it's era, but that wasn't without consequence... If the fairly modern TVR Speed 12 is considered nightmare fuel for even the most experienced drivers, i can't imagine what this absolutely wild machine would be called.

With these videos I think you really deserve more views

@automobilistic

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I do my best :)

The guts hanging out of the cropped back of this thing and front stripped of any detail makes it absolutely terrifying. And with the knowledge it sought to kill 3 drivers, this thing truly is worthy of the title of “little bastard” It must be what getting in a me163 felt like.

Until the 1980’s FIA rules and the race teams were not all that concerned about safety the proof of that is the number of drivers who were killed and seriously injured in racing incidents

Loving the oldschool GT backing tracks

The Saylor family knows something about Toyota's attitude.

Nice video! Your work is amazing.

@automobilistic

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! really happy that you enjoy my videos!

The first one reminds me of the old McLaren-Elva of the time that Bruce drove. The later seven looks a lot like the MK8D with a lower batwing.

Enjoying this. Great info on the race cars history. The game footage isn’t always helpful, narrating about fuji speedway when recreating a scene from the Le Mans Sarthe. In particular….but the historical images were nice to see. Thank you

Excellent content man! This Is really clean and well done you deserve a whole lot more subs. You've got mine.

@automobilistic

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Really glad you're enjoying the videos

those cars remind me of Speed Racer. ah the nostalgia.

Some Can Am cars were stunning, but they didn't even respect their drivers enough to make the roll bar high enough back then.

In a bizarre twist Toyota also lost a test driver developing the LFA.

@kierendawson3707

Жыл бұрын

Wasnt just a test driver. It was toyotas chief test driver and test engineer Hiromu Naruse who was a major contributor to the performance design of the LFA and also chief of Gazoo racing. It was his dream to make the LFA the ultimate driving car

“Vane persuit?” Vain pursuit.

Seems Toyota took some of the bad lessons from Lotus, making cars too fragile and then spiriting away the car involved in a fatal crash to prevent authorities from examining it.

@indominusrex1652

Жыл бұрын

Which later williams did too

@Tuberuser187

Жыл бұрын

@@indominusrex1652 I never knew that, I would ask if they faced consequences but I doubt they did. If the average person got someone killed with a car, then disposed of it or otherwise placed it out of reach of authorities then they would face charges of destroying evidence/conspiring and attempting to pervert the course/obstruction of justice (whichever the countries laws are).

@indominusrex1652

Жыл бұрын

@@Tuberuser187 no punishments just a slap on a wrist and dont do that again

Really great video with the exception of one detail that really threw me off: the 2000GT's 3M engine was a straight-6, not a V6...

@automobilistic

Жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right. A couple of people have pointed it out already, and I've pinned a comment to clarify

I love this channel. I will say that toyota has a hell of a testing reputation. 2 deaths and then fast forward to testing the TS010 and that broke drivers ribs

Okay Okay, I give! I'll subscribe! What awesome content!

This car was fun to drive on Gran Turismo.

Been following Tirann for a while. This is an interesting and disturbing video,

The classic GT2 menu music... ❤️❤️❤️

I like the slight suggestion of a rollbar 😂

2:12 The 2000GT had a 2.0L INLINE 6.

@automobilistic

Жыл бұрын

Yes i have pinned a comment correcting the mistake

toyota killed a guy.

Safety has certainly come a very long way!

and no brakes according to gran turismo 4...

I have to wonder if history would have been different if they had used top-flight drivers like Jacky Ickx or Brian Redman. To be honest, very few humans can handle an 800hp car that weighs a bit more than a motorbike.

I think this video neglects to mention an important thing. Racing was much dangerous back then, in fact even just normal traffic on the roads were much more dangerous, so while I do not wanna make light of the tragic deaths in connection with Toyota 7 on the other hand racing deaths was common at the time. For example in 1969 there were 15 racing driver fatalities and the number is likely higher as it is mainly counting international racing, in fact the numbers have been shockingly high right up till the last decade, as the safer cars and tracks haven offset by there being more races meaning more risks of accidents due to more miles raced.

Used to have a model of this car.

Weird how some people think that only toyota made lightweight cars and only theirs were dangerous even though ALL cars crashed and burned.

Looking at this car to a Modern LMP1/2 car it's Wheel Base is about 600mm short!

Why so little subs?

Everyone: "good video." Spell checker: "it's vain pursuit not vane persuit" :)

Where do you get your playlist

I'm not convinced that the statement at 7:30 that the 578A chassis was " a space now made from an aluminium composite" is correct. According to what I can find, it had an aluminium alloy space frame. The term 'composite' doesn't seem an appropriate term.

@automobilistic

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the correction, you're absolutely right. Alloy would be the correct term

Great video, really enjoyed that.

well, the Toyota Prius had "unintended" acceleration that killed people.

Where is that racing footage from

Supposedly it was a prototype of a road car version of the 7. They had a concept out at the time

Interesting!

Safety in those day were what is safety

The Toyota 7 is the epitome of DEATH ON WHEELS. They made another monster, almost as dangerous, in the form of the beastly TS010. That car would rattle the life out of any pilot sitting behind its wheel.

The Looks like straight out Speed Racer Beautiful car but tragic Story behind it

What is the music's name that is being used, the one sounds like GT4 menu music?

Wow i didn't know this!!!!!!!!?!!?!!!!!!

0:00 GT1 Toyota Dealer music?!!

In the netherlands is a Project 7

Funny how I got this recommend for me when I was watching video from Toyota's official youtube channel lol

FYI, you meant "Vain" not "Vane"

🛑🛑 Great Content 😀👍

@2:14 The 2000GT had a straight 6, not a V6

interesting video. one thing thought. thats not GT5 footage. Its Assetto Corsa. Cheers

@automobilistic

Жыл бұрын

I can confirm that it is in fact GT5 haha

@drdoomslab

Жыл бұрын

@@automobilistic yup your right, its not AC. i was not looking correctly / looking though beer goggles. Cool to see gt5 still doing some things right. been a long time since i played it.

Never knew Yamaha did sports car racing.

So basically they put a car into GT while knowing about a tragedy happened with it? Bruuh

Great video, very informative, too! I miss motorsports from back when men drove real fast in sketchy designs, drivers today look like they never had grease under their nails , and probably never have 🤔

dam

This video does not make one point clear to me: did the 578A ever race in competition?

@automobilistic

Жыл бұрын

No, it did not

So the Toyota-7 that I raced in GT never actually entered a race in real life?

bro, are you using powerpoint from 97?

@eonreeves4324

Жыл бұрын

that's awesome haha

Also a small correction, 6:36 you say 500,000 USD in today's money. Not quite correct, first you have to exchange yen to usd as of 1980 which was 220 ish yen = 1 usd, 61,000,000 yen that gives you $277,000 USD in 1980 which today would be worth 1.01 million USD today.

@automobilistic

Жыл бұрын

Ah I might've converted JPY to USD at today's rates. I made this video a few months ago and dont recall my exact method, thanks for correcting me 👍

800 hp?? I thought the car had over 1000 in final form??

Racing is inherently dangerous…

More people needa see this!

These Toyota drivers knew full well these race cars were extremely dangerous and knew they could lose their life at any time upon loss of control, however. Toyotas actions were unacceptable.

a lot of drivers died in the 70's because of unsafe cars. none of the cars were safe!

Wow, bunch of murderers damn

It’s, ‘vain’, not ‘vane’.

Tut Tut never shown that samurai tenacity we expect. Just give up yeah its only the coolest car of the decade.

although what Toyota did was despicable. you have to understand Japanese culture. Anything that goes, the leader will be held responsible. Its not uncommon for the leaders to commit suicide after a big accident. So covering up the accident is always the first step when something happens. If the news leaked and gets enough public attention, the leader must come out, apologize and deal with the event to minimize losses to the company.

Motor Racing is dangerous… it says so on the ticket 🤷🏻‍♂️

The 2000GT never had a V6. It was a straight six. Please check your facts. No subscription for me.

@automobilistic

Жыл бұрын

You're right, I have pinned a comment correcting the mistake

@BigBibleman

Жыл бұрын

The toyota GT2000 did have a V6, I engine swapped one in an Assetto corsa mod. Get your facts straight, no like from me.

Wtf!!! Is a kilo gram!! God damn it I have zero idea.

How the hell am I supposed to have any idea how much a kilo gram is. I have zero idea how it's related to pounds

Toyota is hands down the very best builder of cars period!! Sorry but this us a fact of life. There better at building cars than for it chev by a little bit. But they are better. And u just cant deny it ..u can try and u can lie but the fact is there better at every or almost every aspect of auto engineering. Just the truth. And if u work on those cars alot you will see why Or if u buy one you will see