This conversation was unbearable to watch. Props to Alex for managing to hold through
@BubbaUltra
23 күн бұрын
I thought it was hilarious. Fingers crossed for round two
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
I have only watched snippets of it, but I am genuinely amused 😂
@popperpoppler4569
23 күн бұрын
@@sadderwhiskeymannClips may be the way to go. I watched the whole thing and Dinesh grows increasingly frustrating to listen to. Basically every point of conversation follows roughly the same formula- Dinesh poses a question or brings something up which he feels is important. Alex then points out some contradiction or problem with Dineshs assertion or question. Dinesh tries to hand wave the problem away without explaining how he’s doing it. Alex then hammers him on the point. Dinesh then asks to change the topic and/or complains that Alex is hammering him and says whatever that thing is just isn’t important. That’s tough to listen to even in chunks but watching it play out over and over again just looks ridiculous.
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
@@popperpoppler4569 in defense of Dinesh, from what I've seen, he doesn't attack in anger or something. He acts more like been r@ped 🤣
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
@@popperpoppler4569 I dunno why my reply got deleted (actually I have a clue, it was probably the R word) but I replied: In defense of Dinesh, from what (little) I've seen he did not reply in anger/attack mode. He acted more like prison r@p3d 🤣
@logician751723 күн бұрын
Speaking of horrific massacres - I think we just witnessed one.
@richardnedbalek1968
23 күн бұрын
Dude, see my comment. We think alike! 👍
@user-uk4mu2rm5t
22 күн бұрын
legit
@----f
21 күн бұрын
In Gaza, right?
@phiality9070
20 күн бұрын
@@----f for a person watching an atheist channel, you dont know j shit about skepticism if you believe theres a massacre in Gaza
@VenusFeuerFalle
15 күн бұрын
in the name of yahweh (again)
@Egooist.23 күн бұрын
_"Atheism is what happens when you read the Bible. Christianity is what happens when someone else reads it for you."_ [Bertrand Russel]
@HS-zk5nn
23 күн бұрын
Shows how wrong he was. I read the Bible almost twice cover to cover and I used to be an atheist. I am sure he was wrong on quite a lot of other things.
@MorganEdge
23 күн бұрын
@HS-zk5nn so you have no issue with your god committing mass genocide including children
@GWFHegel-ms7gz
23 күн бұрын
Wow twice for a book you live by? I've read books by Kant dozens of times and his philosophy doesnt govern my whole life. Maybe trying reading it closer. @@HS-zk5nn
@Egooist.
23 күн бұрын
@@HS-zk5nn Did you learn anything beyond banal & barbaric reading these ancient fairy tales (twice)?!
@shannonkey9926
23 күн бұрын
Can you tell us what you read in the bible that proved to you it was true?@@HS-zk5nn
@novemportis365323 күн бұрын
"Youre trying to distance yourself" Stutter stutter stutter
@JohnSmith-kx3nx
22 күн бұрын
Who’s stuttering?
@JohnSmith-kx3nx
22 күн бұрын
There wasn’t much stuttering in this conversation if I’m gonna be honest.
@FredrickGustafson-lv4ty
22 күн бұрын
Dinesh, is that you? 😂
@LouieFollain
20 күн бұрын
You’re SO upset it shows, lmao. He didn’t stutter at all.
@paulb8251
17 күн бұрын
@JohnSmith-kx3nx 🤡
@einienj328123 күн бұрын
Dinesh clearly hasn't met anyone like Alex before.
@HS-zk5nn
23 күн бұрын
Alexi is one of the best? Name his best point
@einienj3281
23 күн бұрын
@@HS-zk5nn Are you mad bc Dinesh lost?
@HS-zk5nn
23 күн бұрын
@@einienj3281 no how could he when he was not allowed to finish his thoughts and kept being interrupted
@ScottRoberts-el2jn
23 күн бұрын
Uh, checkout his debates with Christopher Hitchens. He got totally annihilated. So bad that I can't believe he still does this.
@einienj3281
23 күн бұрын
@@HS-zk5nn You should watch the entire thing. Dinesh did it all the time. He said a lot without saying anything.
@AlintraxAika23 күн бұрын
This dude got owned so hard that this debate should be age restricted
@FinnAppelt
23 күн бұрын
This was horror beyond measures for Dinesh and his fans 40 + at leaast
@einienj3281
23 күн бұрын
😄😄
@Jocky8807
23 күн бұрын
I am a Christian, not a fan of dinesh. But Alex is interrupting his points alot. And moving from topic to topic rather fast. I myself (a slow thinker) on dinesh would be difficult to follow. Not necessarily proved Alex or dinesh is correct. Sorry what is main topic before Alex interruption? And switching conversation to "why are distancing urself to yahweh?"
@theonlyjoe_
23 күн бұрын
@@Jocky8807the reason for these interruptions is because dinesh is trying to sneak premises in that he thinks Alex won’t catch. That’s why he’s being called out. It’s not like Alex is sitting there and diverting the conversation, he’s making sure that dinesh doesn’t try and sneak anything that he is very clearly trying to sneak through.
@Jocky8807
23 күн бұрын
@@theonlyjoe_ Oh okk. I am not sure what dinesh sneak into. Also no good. But all interruption are no good. And Alex really fast, I am an English as second language often could not catching up his points..... And make me forgot about the main point discussions. 🙏
@twilightcharm27523 күн бұрын
Alex finally succeeded in overpowering the person trying to interrupt 😂
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
I love when he said something along lines of "Why make another point if it's still going to be wrong." (Not the actual quote)
@vojtam5063
23 күн бұрын
He literally used the word of god to do that. Awesome :)
@2l8avenue27
23 күн бұрын
@@Iwillreply "You can't now move the goalpost especially if you're still going to miss."
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
@@2l8avenue27 , Thank you.
@2l8avenue27
23 күн бұрын
@@Iwillreply No sure. No problem.
@colinjava844723 күн бұрын
The problem with defending the bible is the bible.
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
It's like listening to someone defend a flat earth - each solution creates another problem.
@WhoThisMonkey
23 күн бұрын
The Bible isn't defendable, so the tactic is to make the discussion about anything else. In this instance, they seem to have elected 'oh he's interrupting.'
@Wildxgiyu
23 күн бұрын
@@WhoThisMonkeylong time no see lol. Your statement 'The Bible isn't defendable" assumes your conclusion in the very statement itself, you do know this right? It's called begging the question. It's a logical fallacy. So before I could defend it against your claim, I would need you to present your argument as to why it isn't defendable. Please explain your argument first before we could start the discussion.
@WhoThisMonkey
23 күн бұрын
@@Wildxgiyu It isn't begging the question. It's a fact, that the Bible is not defendable. The debates been had, and lost, many many many times. I'm not interested in pressing a replay button, I'd much rather actually carry on past that well worn out topic. It isn't a fault of mine that people are still stuck on it, it's a fault of theirs. I have no memory of you by the way, just another ignorant theist in an ocean of ignorant theists, I don't really care if this antagonises or upsets you, I'm apathetic to the feelings of irrational people. They simply cause too much harm to society for me to pander to them. The only option for you to take, is to disregard Christianity for the silly nonsense it is, but you won't, because intellectual honesty isn't a trait you value.
@Wildxgiyu
22 күн бұрын
@@WhoThisMonkey You say you'd like to move on to other topics other than about whether the Bible is defendable, but before we go to any other topics, the issue of whether the Bible is defendable or not must first be settled. So please, present your argument. Why is the Bible indefensible? The way you speak reminds me of an angsty child. Not very rational, my dude.
@NickR023 күн бұрын
Every time I’ve ever argued with my fundamentalist father about the brutality of the Old Testament he uses the same tactic as Danesh. “Oh, the Old Testament doesn’t matter because Jesus came and made it ok.” It’s nice to see Alex challenge this mentality so succinctly. I can only hope to one day possess such a quick wit and rigorous intellect.
@shannonkey9926
23 күн бұрын
Yeah. I've recently come to realize that jesus isn't Our savior, he's gods😂. Saving gods reputation from his former self.
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
Tell your dad that gawd is the SAME yesterday, today and forever. Therefore (especially if you believe in the trinity) it was jeebus the bloodthirsty maniac of the OT 👹
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
@@sadderwhiskeymann, Seriously! Either Jesus was always there, and was wholly, not partly, involved in every divine command to enslave, rape, and murder. I also, admittedly, don't know if Jesus ever directly said/addressed all the "Father's" previous acts, claiming they were justified. Jesus, clearly, handled it all differently (minus the table flipping), yet, was there the whole time? I gotta see that character arc, when do those chapters come out?!
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
@@Iwillreply I can't remember chapter/verses etc but I do remember that jeebus said that he did NOT come to change the law (the OT) but to add to it. And he also said that anyone who change a letter or a dot of the OT will win a ticket to hell 🔥 So...there's that...
@Will_92
23 күн бұрын
Would that mean then that your father isn't fundamentalist?
@Finley4222 күн бұрын
This dude got owned so hard, even the Old Testament would say it's too much slavery.
@mrl9418
17 күн бұрын
I will steal this. In fact, I live for the day I'll be able to use it
@jefft5152
14 күн бұрын
Dinesh D'Souza just got owned harder than a non-Hebrew slave in the Bible.
@Jayell61
12 күн бұрын
@@mrl9418😂😂😂
@coopercooper840623 күн бұрын
Dinesh got eviscerated.
@teresaamanfu7408
22 күн бұрын
He is the gift that keeps on giving.
@user-xj5rd7zi1d
22 күн бұрын
@@teresaamanfu7408He is the grift that keeps on giving.
@HS-zk5nn
21 күн бұрын
no he didnt. he is still alive. oh wait. only you can use hyperbole. got it
@NS-ie2ld22 күн бұрын
Alex violated the thou shalt not kill commandment with the way he slaughtered Dinesh in this debate.
@kerrybock76618 күн бұрын
Dinesh clowned again! Utterly outclassed by Alex.
@Howiefaam31459
13 күн бұрын
The organizer of the debate didn’t intend to have a comedy show but then they invited Dinesh 2K Mules.
@daniel-panek22 күн бұрын
Alex nailed him. Dinesh is so dishonest.
@abinam225522 күн бұрын
De Souza is a HYPOCRITE. Kudos to Alex for exposing such hypocrites.
@starpenta
20 күн бұрын
When you're indoctrinated into it, trying to defend it requires hypocrisy, but the fact that he stammers and pauses at times might imply that some of these Q's are getting through. Hopefully, he'll go home and in the process of trying to find a reason to justify these things, he'll eventually realize he just can't and there really is no reason to believe any of this. I remember going through the same process. Arguing it, trying to defend it and eventually realizing you can't and there's no proof that there is a god.
@jesterc.676323 күн бұрын
This reminds me of that time when the Israelites slaughtered the Amelicites.
@onyxl44522 күн бұрын
I love Alex debating, he’s a very smart fella. 👏🏼
@fadidebian704523 күн бұрын
Intellectual slam dunk - cosmic skeptic 1 - Guy with funny socks and funnier logic 0
@alexquintana103123 күн бұрын
I don't think Yahweh was "ACTING" like a Tribal God😂
@riskybiscuits688
23 күн бұрын
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he...... WAS a tribal God. At least until a crap ton of post hoc rationalizations came along.
@brenta2634
23 күн бұрын
Nice...😂
@Keira_Blackstone
23 күн бұрын
@@riskybiscuits688 tbh the bible makes more sense to me once I learned that the jewish faith was originally polytheistic and was retconned into monotheism, meaning all these stories were originally about different gods, and combining them all into one character just makes him seem schizophrenic.
@0pp841
23 күн бұрын
He is a tribal God, God of the tribe of Israel.
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
@@Keira_Blackstonethat I didn't know. It makes sense as to why gawd is sooooo insane!
@Lopfff20 күн бұрын
I’ve said it before. I fuckin love this kid
@thegovernor114621 күн бұрын
“Well I’m not trying to distance myself.” Oh bs. That is EXACTLY what you’re doing.
@jakw9723 күн бұрын
They never defend the book, thay defend their cherry picked reading of it. That's that Hitchens taugh me, and i still think its the fundamental problem with modern religious movements. They know the book does not work as a moral document if you acually read it from front to end, its not moral preaching worthy of modern societys. Its not useless, but not good enough.
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
Stop, O people, that I may give you rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.” (Narrated by Al-Bayhaqi in Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, (Vol. 9, p. 90
@hopelessnerd6677
15 күн бұрын
It's not just religion. It's pretty much everything. Humans are cherry pickers.
@fdakis21 күн бұрын
I like how Alex doesn't let up and take Dinesh to task with his bullshit.
@jefft5152
14 күн бұрын
If only somebody would stand up to tRump like this...
@TastefulGorilla23 күн бұрын
Dinesh spent this entire debate teetering on Marcionism
@justsomeguy859
22 күн бұрын
Most people don’t even know what that is. Honestly I can’t believe it’s not more popular. It is completely impossible to reconcile the character of the god in the Old Testament with that of Jesus, or at least the character that modern Christians ascribe to Jesus.
@JonBrownSherman
22 күн бұрын
@justsomeguy859 It's not more popular because 99% of Christians are completely inconsistent with their logical assessment of their own religion. When ones have tried to actually think through how it COULD work out, eg: Marcionism and Arianism, they get branded as heretics and kicked out of the club. If you were to use a Socratic method on the average Christian to find out what they "really" believe then it would be all over the place and completely out of touch with anything their specific branch may have as dogma.
@JudasMaccabeus1
22 күн бұрын
@@justsomeguy859If only the neoplatonists would’ve won out in the 3rd century I truly believe western culture would’ve progressed hundreds of years faster than happened under the tyranny of Christian hegemony.
@joegallegos9109
20 күн бұрын
That's what I thought he was getting at in this clip 😅
@VenusFeuerFalle
15 күн бұрын
@@justsomeguy859 Macrionism/Valentinianism/Sethianism are the only verisons of Christianity I can take serious. Jewish history and the New Testament are irreconsible.
@Sir-loin8623 күн бұрын
I don’t understand how religious people can willingly ignore all the horrific and ridiculous things in their holy book and cherry pick only the bits they like and live by them. Its lunacy.
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
That's exactly what I did when I was a Christian! For example, when I was a believer, I don't remember reading past Exodus 20, Deuteronomy, or Judges. We never studied or heard sermons on the "difficult" passages. It was mostly the Gospels or Paul.
@johno1954
7 күн бұрын
Give an example
@Sir-loin86
7 күн бұрын
@@johno1954 it would be easier for me to tell you what isn’t ridiculous about them
@Sir-loin86
7 күн бұрын
@@johno1954 why don’t you tell me what isn’t ridiculous about whichever holy book you follow as my list is incredibly short
@johno1954
7 күн бұрын
@@Sir-loin86 I’m a Christian. God has done nothing “immoral” as he made morals and morals are based from God. He is all just
@dinobravo668623 күн бұрын
Dude is such a weasel 😅
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
Dude was your average xtian. It was Alex who SHINED in that debate 🌞
@russell311000
23 күн бұрын
lol
@user-xj5rd7zi1d
22 күн бұрын
Quit insulting weasels by comparing them to de Souza.
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
Stop, O people, that I may give you rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.” (Narrated by Al-Bayhaqi in Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, (Vol. 9, p. 90
@joshuafleckenstein35123 күн бұрын
To fully acknowledge the atrocities committed by your God, recognize their horror, but still have the cognitive dissonance to convince yourself that he’s good is impressive. Must be peaceful to live so ignorantly and be okay with it.
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
A true _Compartmentalizer._
@TheRONdezvousPoint
22 күн бұрын
And they actually think this unhealthy way of forming beliefs won't affect how they navigate reality 😅
@anormalhuman9
14 күн бұрын
Lmao true I'm confident that the bible is false
@joshuafleckenstein351
14 күн бұрын
@@anormalhuman9 and you should be, but even if the Bible were true and it wasn’t as flawed as it is, that simply means their God is unworthy of being praised. The God of the Bible, especially the OT, is impressively despicable. Vain, conceited, genocidal, petty, the list goes on. As someone who previously dedicated the majority of their life to Christianity, it’s insane how much the believer is willing to overlook under the guise of “his ways are better than mine” and the excuse of historical context.
@anormalhuman9
14 күн бұрын
@@joshuafleckenstein351 man!!true bro. I aslo grew up in a Christian house hold and truly believed in the bible for like14 years! But as I kept growing it was just painfully obvious this GOD'S cruel in the bible And also God loves us yet he sends us to hell and then he feels some kind of grief? What kind of illogical entity does this? And Christians call this "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE",while the bible revolves around conditions. I also recommend you a book called "CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD" very fascinating book I would say.(you would really hope that such a God exists)
@davidrice622423 күн бұрын
Alex is an absolute intellectual bruiser. Well in, Matey.
@Ms.Amylia_Clenny23 күн бұрын
"That's not what Jesus thought." - Alex O'Connor 2024 This is the point Apologists do not want to acknowledge: The God of the Old Teatament & The God of the New Testament are 1 & the same, Begotten not Made, so Yahqeh & Jesus are the same God. That makes Yahweh's atrocities Jesus' 'crimes' too.
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
Great logic. I hadn't really thought of that. Yahweh = Jesus Thanks (If the non-biblical doctrine of the Trinity is true. The mainstream current understanding of the Trinity was decided by the Church hundreds of years after the last books of the New Testament were written.)
@victorcaceres960323 күн бұрын
Ah Dinesh, that grifter is still plying his trade.
@WelcomeToTwinklePark23 күн бұрын
Stop! Stop! He's already dead!
@2msystems74018 күн бұрын
How Dinesh manages to get on to any stage is a miracle in itself.
@Egooist.23 күн бұрын
_"To argue with a man who has renounced the use & authority of reason, & whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture."_ [Thomas Paine]
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
Stop, O people, that I may give you rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.” (Narrated by Al-Bayhaqi in Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, (Vol. 9, p. 90
@Egooist.
16 күн бұрын
@@xiontion9993 _"With great power comes great responsibility."_ [Spider-Man]
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
@@Egooist. It seems the world has forgotten that responsibility....
@Egooist.
16 күн бұрын
@@xiontion9993 The "world" has no responsibilities.
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
@@Egooist. it depends on who your asking,,,,,if your asking islam then the list is big,,,,,,if your asking a brainwashed atheist he will say everything means is nothing and nothing means everything...........
@uninspired358323 күн бұрын
Always fun when the critic knows and quotes the sacred text more than the defendent.
@BlindWatcherDeux23 күн бұрын
I bet Dinesh crashed his car on the way home from this debate because he kept trying to win the argument with a card board cut-out of Alex sitting in his passenger seat.... 🤣🤣🤣
@IWasADrifter22 күн бұрын
Who would you rather be stuck on an island? Dinesh is insufferable.
@liamthomas201423 күн бұрын
The Old Testament doesn’t count cos reasons. Jesus said he’s here to fulfill the old law
@Juk3n23 күн бұрын
False Interpretation is the work of the charlatan or the uneducated. Isn't it ironic, that the more thorough the study of the bible, the more the lean towards agnosticism or atheism.
@johno1954
7 күн бұрын
Delusional
@jayinderkaushik21 күн бұрын
Alex is RUTHLESS and i love ittt
@willemkoning23 күн бұрын
Jesus emphasized that the entire Torah would remain in force as long as heaven and earth exist. All other beliefs are misinterpretations. Yahweh is the father of Jesus. The other guy got lost in his false theology.
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
Jesus teaches a different Gospel in the synoptics to that which Paul teaches, for example in his letter to the Romans. Jesus' teaching is mostly about repentance and obeying the commandments. Paul's teaching is centred on faith. Following Jesus is much harder than Paul's much easier Gospel. This is probably the main reason Christianity spread so fast.
@mrl9418
17 күн бұрын
"False theology" sounds a lot like "fake wizardry"
@hopelessnerd6677
15 күн бұрын
"False theology"? What other kind is there?
@SharedPhilosophy18 күн бұрын
Alex says he is against slavery, but he keeps owning people in these debates
@chriswimer629623 күн бұрын
Thanks for holding this slime ball to account. Dinesh is so annoying and frustrating. You and Hitch have been the best at shutting him down and embarrassing him 👏 cheers to that!
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
I think Hitchens would have been very pleased with Alex's intellect and debating skill.
@PhsychoSomatic
13 күн бұрын
Dinesh is definitely on top for one of the greasiest weasels of all christian appologists. This was so satisfying to watch i find myself going back to it again and again
@shifterbbr198623 күн бұрын
Christians truly are the champions of mental gymnastics. 🤔
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
Or they just ignore the "difficult" teachings.
@Juicersen
22 күн бұрын
They really give flat earthers a run for their money. Those people can come up with anything to fit their narrative lmfao
@banba31723 күн бұрын
But Dinesh, what YOU are missing is the fact that Yahweh is SUMERIAN Storm God... one out of a pantheon of dozens! And he did not choose the Jews; the Jews chose him!
@fr1nkly23 күн бұрын
DANCE little man!
@jakerz023 күн бұрын
“Before Abraham was, I AM.” Somebody famous said that, but I’m having trouble remembering who it was…
@brenta2634
23 күн бұрын
I know! It was that Jesus character in the Christian myth.
@KartonRealista2
22 күн бұрын
@@brenta2634 Actually only in the Gospel of John, not in the synoptic gospels. John is the latest gospel of the four
@brenta2634
22 күн бұрын
@@KartonRealista2 Yeah that's the thing about myths, right? They change and there are different versions that pop up.
@IanM-id8or
22 күн бұрын
That would have been the anonymous author of the Gospel according to "John" Not sure that being anonymous equates to being famous, however. Oh, did you actually think that JESUS said that? Oh, you sweet summer child LOL
@hipepleful
21 күн бұрын
I said that. It's in the quote. Weird name for someone, though
@Joe-rm7rr23 күн бұрын
That is my go to verse when talking to any Christian. Its basically saying that you are not following gods laws unless you are following exodus. But Christians have to cherry pick and ignore so much of the bible or else they would be thrown in prison because those laws are barbaric.
@MorganEdge
23 күн бұрын
And that's religion for you
@Dimension37
23 күн бұрын
LOL exactly
@Will_92
23 күн бұрын
If you read the whole chapter you'll see that Jesus was referring to the commands that he gave in that context . The commands Jesus gave are the fulfillment of the law, not the abolishment of it. But this does mean that some commands governing the Jews as a nation no longer applied to Christians as a worldwide religion
@Joe-rm7rr
23 күн бұрын
@Will_92 yeah it's referring to the laws of Moses which is exodus
@dbossmotiv
23 күн бұрын
@@Will_92”.. abolish the law OR prophets…” Jesus is not talking about commands he just gave. He’s clearly talking about Mosaic law. Otherwise why mention prophets? lol. More coping from Christians.
@Nilso223 күн бұрын
I love how you are able to discuss. You are civilized, you don't scream, you don't get angry and you answer arguments sharp and clear instead of just repeating arguments of the Ideology you identify with. I think these are the marks of a real truth seeker. No wonder you discovered mysticism.
@junn80523 күн бұрын
didnt know dinesh was a gnostic
@BlindWatcherDeux
23 күн бұрын
He's just a No-Stick! 🤣 Slimy fu¢¥er 😝
@miniwheatz9322 күн бұрын
Alex is so good that he can use 'that's not what Jesus thought' as evidence for his case!
@hummakavula375022 күн бұрын
Alex is the master at editing clips. Absolutely untouchable.
@Benny890323 күн бұрын
As a Christian, Dinesh was very unprepared for Alex.
@dansharp2860
22 күн бұрын
The only thing Dinesh was prepared for was his appearance fee. His opening speech was a mess and it was telling that he wanted Alex to go first. He needed something to argue against despite being for the proposition.
@snapgab
22 күн бұрын
I don't think preparation was the issue.
@PhsychoSomatic
13 күн бұрын
Bible wasnt written to be defended
@DRWH04423 күн бұрын
I honestly don't understand why Alex would want to discuss religion with an expert on politics and why Dinesh would discuss the Bible when her clearly is not an expert on it.
@Keira_Blackstone
23 күн бұрын
calling Dinesh an 'expert' in politics is a gross exaggeration.
@DRWH044
23 күн бұрын
@@Keira_Blackstone perhaps just state that he knows politics better than religion/philosophy
@Dimension37
23 күн бұрын
It’s bcz he needs money, a gig
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
@@Dimension37 He certainly had to work hard and suffer a lot of humiliation and embarrassment.
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
I think Dinesh underestimated Alex. He is over 60 years of age and Alex is still in his early 20s. Alex, though, has a degree from Oxford University in Theology and Dinesh only has a BA in English. Also, just like Christopher Hitchens, Alex has a very sharp mind and can process information quickly. Whereas someone like myself would fumble around even though I know a lot, Alex responds immediately.
@athnealerodney16 күн бұрын
The moment you begin to question the supposedly unquestionable... 🤔
@francobenevento75985 күн бұрын
Like watching Mike Tyson fight an infant.
@carolfleetwood241923 күн бұрын
There's so much going on in what Alex said. 1st, "I've come to fulfill the prophets not condemn them" was inserted by early Christian fathers to make it appear that the man Christians call Jesus is God. He never, ever referred to himself this way. 2nd, "heaven & earth shall not.... until these words are fulfilled". He was talking about spiritual truths which he was teaching to the Jews. Spiritual truths that will never change because they are embedded in us, the human species. Jesus was a learned scholar & had intuitive & profound spiritual knowledge which he tried to impart to an audience that was ignorant ( lacking knowledge) & could not grasp it. He was trying to convince them that what he said was the truth. Sometimes, what he said is an answer in relation to what someone said or asked before he spoke. Problem is that it was not written down . All we have is Jesus' response which can be quite ambiguous. 3rd, the God of the OT was different from the God of the NT because God is a human construct & as civilization advanced in the Levant, the concept of God evolved. The raging & vitriolic God of the OT sanctioned the land grabs that all the tribes at that time were engaged for one reason or another; whether it was grazing land, water rights, fertile valleys for crops or hills & mountains for mineral mining. This suggests that God is man's alter ego.
@playerone3018
23 күн бұрын
You mean god didn't create us in his image? We have created him in ours and worship it.
@Dimension37
23 күн бұрын
^
@carolfleetwood2419
23 күн бұрын
@@playerone3018 yes
@SFnader
23 күн бұрын
@@playerone3018there are a thousand religions made in man's image like the old testament and there are a few that spread the gospel of Jesus like Buddhism for example which are actually preaching truth and love.
@corywilson200723 күн бұрын
Get emm
@RedKincaid6 күн бұрын
I watched that debate, it bounced back and forth between incredibly satisfying and incredibly frustrating, depending on who was talking. As for who, lets just say one of the participants should be really proud of how well he did, and the other is D'Souza
@kenaultman749923 күн бұрын
Alex destroyed him so bad in that debate it was hilarious.
@AngryBilleh18 күн бұрын
Damn Alex really stopped him dead in his tracks
@MelFinehout9 күн бұрын
This was gold. Sadly, it will probably be Alex’s last religious debate. I don’t see anyone lining up for a whipping any time soon. Love this dude!
@killernil9923 күн бұрын
Dinesh was way outmatched outclassed and outsmarted in this debate
@some-other-time20 күн бұрын
The full discussion was a massacre of biblical proportions. Alex reminds me of a kinder, gentler Hitchens.
@manuelmartinez766816 күн бұрын
This is so painful to listen to . Alex is very sharp and always to the point.
@Galbex2119 күн бұрын
To be honest just let the poor man talk. Sometimes silence allows people to come to the same conclusion when they go through it. If you interrupt him you are not going to convince him.
@nagranoth_22 күн бұрын
"You're completely missing it" "You don't understand" "There's context" EVERY TIME a theist gets confronted with stuff in their storybook they don't like...
@un.titledirregular30088 күн бұрын
The logic though👌👌👌
@fpcoleman5722 күн бұрын
This is embarrassing! The arrogance of Dinesh in thinking that he can school Alex is disgraceful. Alex has an Oxford University degree in Theology and, I suspect has read and studied the Bible more than most Christians. Dinesh has a BA in English and is, principally, a political commentator. He's completely out of his depth here.
@SharedPhilosophy18 күн бұрын
I love how Alex starts reciting scripture and Dinesh just shuts it XDD
@danbaume946421 күн бұрын
Dinesh gets absolutely destroyed by this man.
@gloriaf697116 күн бұрын
Alex is way too smart for Dinesh.
@Arkloyd22 күн бұрын
Hey dinesh, come back here with that goalpost.
@maxfuentes543518 күн бұрын
This is legendary, man. The last World Series before we entered the war, same season as DiMaggio’s unbreakable streak.
@mdhazeldine19 күн бұрын
It would be nice to hear his reply without it being cut off
@MarissaCarterArtist20 күн бұрын
Basically no sensational activity until test segment is concluded
@Trials_By_Errors21 күн бұрын
Dinesh Certainly can't turm disagree with words of "Jesus".
@AtamMardes15 күн бұрын
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." "Only fools revere the supernatural myths just because a book claims itself to be the holy truth." "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
@ASMRReality17 күн бұрын
Wow never watched Dinesh squirm as much as he did here. Bravo to Alex!
@nob850312 күн бұрын
Alex turned him into a Gnostic😂😂😂
@kieronbrowne78819 күн бұрын
Well done Alex!
@SubwayJack91921 күн бұрын
Even the best amongst them don't know what they believe.
@chrislabonte358223 күн бұрын
Dinah pooped the bed, again
@chrislabonte3582
23 күн бұрын
That should read "Dinesh". Damn you, autocorrect
@canuckslav22 күн бұрын
Excellent job, Alex!
@007dog119 күн бұрын
Im a Christian and Alex is 1000% right!
@galmudugbybirth271317 күн бұрын
Fantastic. Alex is really articulate and I believe he can take on all the religious figureheads with ease except ISLAM. If Alex reverts to Islam, he would be unstoppable Da’ee😂 - May Allah guide him to Islam
@historictruthlarson491010 күн бұрын
I hate it when Christians try to distance themselves from the ot. It is part of scripture, and we have to reconcile them, or we wind up making fools of ourselves like this gentleman.
@discussionswiththeuniverse5 сағат бұрын
I was a believer for 42 years. Now I see. It’s disgusting how they want us to believe.
@nicholemaccalley9462Күн бұрын
Great job, Alex.
@jonr94678 күн бұрын
"Until heaven and earth disappear". That hasn't happened, so the Law is still binding. Anyone who says it's not, is arguing with Jesus himself.
@Troyward48117 күн бұрын
The way God sees you right now if you aren’t saved, is that your spiritual dead, alive yes but flatline spiritually. In Ecclesiastes all is vanity, doesn’t matter you you live a thousand years twice or die in your mothers womb. Life apart from God is vanity. Jesus came to take you out of that darkness into His light and to give you the glorious hope of eternal life in the kingdom of God!
@paulrawlinson865320 күн бұрын
Dinesh is just outright dishonest.
@danielhowaniec633421 күн бұрын
Dinesh clearly didn’t study his opponent, or the topic.
@tarquin16123422 күн бұрын
TLDR a 100 IQ gets intellectually eviscerated by 140 IQ
@stevewarren481322 күн бұрын
Dinesh isn't used to thinking.
@PhsychoSomatic13 күн бұрын
Cant understand how Dinesh had decades to come up with canned rebuttals to pull out yet he fumbled like this is the first time hes heard Alex's criticisms
@fergusfitzgerald97722 күн бұрын
Excellent work here Alex ! I remember the Priest in Catholic School would tell us to respectfully downplay any unsavoury references to bad things "apparently ordered " by God - and simply concentrate on the New Testament ! We were all uncomfortable with this but had Alex been in my class in school - well that would have been interesting !
@fitnessteacher184522 күн бұрын
Alex grabbing the tapdancer and holding his feet to the fire 👏👏👏🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
@christopheryuen949817 күн бұрын
I love watching this dude because I think he’s one of very few intellectually honest atheists. He asks very smart, thoughtful questions that are challenging for believers. As an individual who’s firm in his Faith, I wish I could have a conversation with him.
@TheOneTheOnly-GOD
15 күн бұрын
“Faith”, the most beautiful method of self deception, and what keeps me alive. No proof required 😇
@Egooist.
14 күн бұрын
_"Faith means not wanting to know, what's true."_ [Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche] (Glaube heißt Nicht-wissen-wollen, was wahr ist.)
Пікірлер: 1 500
This conversation was unbearable to watch. Props to Alex for managing to hold through
@BubbaUltra
23 күн бұрын
I thought it was hilarious. Fingers crossed for round two
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
I have only watched snippets of it, but I am genuinely amused 😂
@popperpoppler4569
23 күн бұрын
@@sadderwhiskeymannClips may be the way to go. I watched the whole thing and Dinesh grows increasingly frustrating to listen to. Basically every point of conversation follows roughly the same formula- Dinesh poses a question or brings something up which he feels is important. Alex then points out some contradiction or problem with Dineshs assertion or question. Dinesh tries to hand wave the problem away without explaining how he’s doing it. Alex then hammers him on the point. Dinesh then asks to change the topic and/or complains that Alex is hammering him and says whatever that thing is just isn’t important. That’s tough to listen to even in chunks but watching it play out over and over again just looks ridiculous.
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
@@popperpoppler4569 in defense of Dinesh, from what I've seen, he doesn't attack in anger or something. He acts more like been r@ped 🤣
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
@@popperpoppler4569 I dunno why my reply got deleted (actually I have a clue, it was probably the R word) but I replied: In defense of Dinesh, from what (little) I've seen he did not reply in anger/attack mode. He acted more like prison r@p3d 🤣
Speaking of horrific massacres - I think we just witnessed one.
@richardnedbalek1968
23 күн бұрын
Dude, see my comment. We think alike! 👍
@user-uk4mu2rm5t
22 күн бұрын
legit
@----f
21 күн бұрын
In Gaza, right?
@phiality9070
20 күн бұрын
@@----f for a person watching an atheist channel, you dont know j shit about skepticism if you believe theres a massacre in Gaza
@VenusFeuerFalle
15 күн бұрын
in the name of yahweh (again)
_"Atheism is what happens when you read the Bible. Christianity is what happens when someone else reads it for you."_ [Bertrand Russel]
@HS-zk5nn
23 күн бұрын
Shows how wrong he was. I read the Bible almost twice cover to cover and I used to be an atheist. I am sure he was wrong on quite a lot of other things.
@MorganEdge
23 күн бұрын
@HS-zk5nn so you have no issue with your god committing mass genocide including children
@GWFHegel-ms7gz
23 күн бұрын
Wow twice for a book you live by? I've read books by Kant dozens of times and his philosophy doesnt govern my whole life. Maybe trying reading it closer. @@HS-zk5nn
@Egooist.
23 күн бұрын
@@HS-zk5nn Did you learn anything beyond banal & barbaric reading these ancient fairy tales (twice)?!
@shannonkey9926
23 күн бұрын
Can you tell us what you read in the bible that proved to you it was true?@@HS-zk5nn
"Youre trying to distance yourself" Stutter stutter stutter
@JohnSmith-kx3nx
22 күн бұрын
Who’s stuttering?
@JohnSmith-kx3nx
22 күн бұрын
There wasn’t much stuttering in this conversation if I’m gonna be honest.
@FredrickGustafson-lv4ty
22 күн бұрын
Dinesh, is that you? 😂
@LouieFollain
20 күн бұрын
You’re SO upset it shows, lmao. He didn’t stutter at all.
@paulb8251
17 күн бұрын
@JohnSmith-kx3nx 🤡
Dinesh clearly hasn't met anyone like Alex before.
@HS-zk5nn
23 күн бұрын
Alexi is one of the best? Name his best point
@einienj3281
23 күн бұрын
@@HS-zk5nn Are you mad bc Dinesh lost?
@HS-zk5nn
23 күн бұрын
@@einienj3281 no how could he when he was not allowed to finish his thoughts and kept being interrupted
@ScottRoberts-el2jn
23 күн бұрын
Uh, checkout his debates with Christopher Hitchens. He got totally annihilated. So bad that I can't believe he still does this.
@einienj3281
23 күн бұрын
@@HS-zk5nn You should watch the entire thing. Dinesh did it all the time. He said a lot without saying anything.
This dude got owned so hard that this debate should be age restricted
@FinnAppelt
23 күн бұрын
This was horror beyond measures for Dinesh and his fans 40 + at leaast
@einienj3281
23 күн бұрын
😄😄
@Jocky8807
23 күн бұрын
I am a Christian, not a fan of dinesh. But Alex is interrupting his points alot. And moving from topic to topic rather fast. I myself (a slow thinker) on dinesh would be difficult to follow. Not necessarily proved Alex or dinesh is correct. Sorry what is main topic before Alex interruption? And switching conversation to "why are distancing urself to yahweh?"
@theonlyjoe_
23 күн бұрын
@@Jocky8807the reason for these interruptions is because dinesh is trying to sneak premises in that he thinks Alex won’t catch. That’s why he’s being called out. It’s not like Alex is sitting there and diverting the conversation, he’s making sure that dinesh doesn’t try and sneak anything that he is very clearly trying to sneak through.
@Jocky8807
23 күн бұрын
@@theonlyjoe_ Oh okk. I am not sure what dinesh sneak into. Also no good. But all interruption are no good. And Alex really fast, I am an English as second language often could not catching up his points..... And make me forgot about the main point discussions. 🙏
Alex finally succeeded in overpowering the person trying to interrupt 😂
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
I love when he said something along lines of "Why make another point if it's still going to be wrong." (Not the actual quote)
@vojtam5063
23 күн бұрын
He literally used the word of god to do that. Awesome :)
@2l8avenue27
23 күн бұрын
@@Iwillreply "You can't now move the goalpost especially if you're still going to miss."
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
@@2l8avenue27 , Thank you.
@2l8avenue27
23 күн бұрын
@@Iwillreply No sure. No problem.
The problem with defending the bible is the bible.
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
It's like listening to someone defend a flat earth - each solution creates another problem.
@WhoThisMonkey
23 күн бұрын
The Bible isn't defendable, so the tactic is to make the discussion about anything else. In this instance, they seem to have elected 'oh he's interrupting.'
@Wildxgiyu
23 күн бұрын
@@WhoThisMonkeylong time no see lol. Your statement 'The Bible isn't defendable" assumes your conclusion in the very statement itself, you do know this right? It's called begging the question. It's a logical fallacy. So before I could defend it against your claim, I would need you to present your argument as to why it isn't defendable. Please explain your argument first before we could start the discussion.
@WhoThisMonkey
23 күн бұрын
@@Wildxgiyu It isn't begging the question. It's a fact, that the Bible is not defendable. The debates been had, and lost, many many many times. I'm not interested in pressing a replay button, I'd much rather actually carry on past that well worn out topic. It isn't a fault of mine that people are still stuck on it, it's a fault of theirs. I have no memory of you by the way, just another ignorant theist in an ocean of ignorant theists, I don't really care if this antagonises or upsets you, I'm apathetic to the feelings of irrational people. They simply cause too much harm to society for me to pander to them. The only option for you to take, is to disregard Christianity for the silly nonsense it is, but you won't, because intellectual honesty isn't a trait you value.
@Wildxgiyu
22 күн бұрын
@@WhoThisMonkey You say you'd like to move on to other topics other than about whether the Bible is defendable, but before we go to any other topics, the issue of whether the Bible is defendable or not must first be settled. So please, present your argument. Why is the Bible indefensible? The way you speak reminds me of an angsty child. Not very rational, my dude.
Every time I’ve ever argued with my fundamentalist father about the brutality of the Old Testament he uses the same tactic as Danesh. “Oh, the Old Testament doesn’t matter because Jesus came and made it ok.” It’s nice to see Alex challenge this mentality so succinctly. I can only hope to one day possess such a quick wit and rigorous intellect.
@shannonkey9926
23 күн бұрын
Yeah. I've recently come to realize that jesus isn't Our savior, he's gods😂. Saving gods reputation from his former self.
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
Tell your dad that gawd is the SAME yesterday, today and forever. Therefore (especially if you believe in the trinity) it was jeebus the bloodthirsty maniac of the OT 👹
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
@@sadderwhiskeymann, Seriously! Either Jesus was always there, and was wholly, not partly, involved in every divine command to enslave, rape, and murder. I also, admittedly, don't know if Jesus ever directly said/addressed all the "Father's" previous acts, claiming they were justified. Jesus, clearly, handled it all differently (minus the table flipping), yet, was there the whole time? I gotta see that character arc, when do those chapters come out?!
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
@@Iwillreply I can't remember chapter/verses etc but I do remember that jeebus said that he did NOT come to change the law (the OT) but to add to it. And he also said that anyone who change a letter or a dot of the OT will win a ticket to hell 🔥 So...there's that...
@Will_92
23 күн бұрын
Would that mean then that your father isn't fundamentalist?
This dude got owned so hard, even the Old Testament would say it's too much slavery.
@mrl9418
17 күн бұрын
I will steal this. In fact, I live for the day I'll be able to use it
@jefft5152
14 күн бұрын
Dinesh D'Souza just got owned harder than a non-Hebrew slave in the Bible.
@Jayell61
12 күн бұрын
@@mrl9418😂😂😂
Dinesh got eviscerated.
@teresaamanfu7408
22 күн бұрын
He is the gift that keeps on giving.
@user-xj5rd7zi1d
22 күн бұрын
@@teresaamanfu7408He is the grift that keeps on giving.
@HS-zk5nn
21 күн бұрын
no he didnt. he is still alive. oh wait. only you can use hyperbole. got it
Alex violated the thou shalt not kill commandment with the way he slaughtered Dinesh in this debate.
Dinesh clowned again! Utterly outclassed by Alex.
@Howiefaam31459
13 күн бұрын
The organizer of the debate didn’t intend to have a comedy show but then they invited Dinesh 2K Mules.
Alex nailed him. Dinesh is so dishonest.
De Souza is a HYPOCRITE. Kudos to Alex for exposing such hypocrites.
@starpenta
20 күн бұрын
When you're indoctrinated into it, trying to defend it requires hypocrisy, but the fact that he stammers and pauses at times might imply that some of these Q's are getting through. Hopefully, he'll go home and in the process of trying to find a reason to justify these things, he'll eventually realize he just can't and there really is no reason to believe any of this. I remember going through the same process. Arguing it, trying to defend it and eventually realizing you can't and there's no proof that there is a god.
This reminds me of that time when the Israelites slaughtered the Amelicites.
I love Alex debating, he’s a very smart fella. 👏🏼
Intellectual slam dunk - cosmic skeptic 1 - Guy with funny socks and funnier logic 0
I don't think Yahweh was "ACTING" like a Tribal God😂
@riskybiscuits688
23 күн бұрын
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he...... WAS a tribal God. At least until a crap ton of post hoc rationalizations came along.
@brenta2634
23 күн бұрын
Nice...😂
@Keira_Blackstone
23 күн бұрын
@@riskybiscuits688 tbh the bible makes more sense to me once I learned that the jewish faith was originally polytheistic and was retconned into monotheism, meaning all these stories were originally about different gods, and combining them all into one character just makes him seem schizophrenic.
@0pp841
23 күн бұрын
He is a tribal God, God of the tribe of Israel.
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
@@Keira_Blackstonethat I didn't know. It makes sense as to why gawd is sooooo insane!
I’ve said it before. I fuckin love this kid
“Well I’m not trying to distance myself.” Oh bs. That is EXACTLY what you’re doing.
They never defend the book, thay defend their cherry picked reading of it. That's that Hitchens taugh me, and i still think its the fundamental problem with modern religious movements. They know the book does not work as a moral document if you acually read it from front to end, its not moral preaching worthy of modern societys. Its not useless, but not good enough.
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
Stop, O people, that I may give you rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.” (Narrated by Al-Bayhaqi in Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, (Vol. 9, p. 90
@hopelessnerd6677
15 күн бұрын
It's not just religion. It's pretty much everything. Humans are cherry pickers.
I like how Alex doesn't let up and take Dinesh to task with his bullshit.
@jefft5152
14 күн бұрын
If only somebody would stand up to tRump like this...
Dinesh spent this entire debate teetering on Marcionism
@justsomeguy859
22 күн бұрын
Most people don’t even know what that is. Honestly I can’t believe it’s not more popular. It is completely impossible to reconcile the character of the god in the Old Testament with that of Jesus, or at least the character that modern Christians ascribe to Jesus.
@JonBrownSherman
22 күн бұрын
@justsomeguy859 It's not more popular because 99% of Christians are completely inconsistent with their logical assessment of their own religion. When ones have tried to actually think through how it COULD work out, eg: Marcionism and Arianism, they get branded as heretics and kicked out of the club. If you were to use a Socratic method on the average Christian to find out what they "really" believe then it would be all over the place and completely out of touch with anything their specific branch may have as dogma.
@JudasMaccabeus1
22 күн бұрын
@@justsomeguy859If only the neoplatonists would’ve won out in the 3rd century I truly believe western culture would’ve progressed hundreds of years faster than happened under the tyranny of Christian hegemony.
@joegallegos9109
20 күн бұрын
That's what I thought he was getting at in this clip 😅
@VenusFeuerFalle
15 күн бұрын
@@justsomeguy859 Macrionism/Valentinianism/Sethianism are the only verisons of Christianity I can take serious. Jewish history and the New Testament are irreconsible.
I don’t understand how religious people can willingly ignore all the horrific and ridiculous things in their holy book and cherry pick only the bits they like and live by them. Its lunacy.
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
That's exactly what I did when I was a Christian! For example, when I was a believer, I don't remember reading past Exodus 20, Deuteronomy, or Judges. We never studied or heard sermons on the "difficult" passages. It was mostly the Gospels or Paul.
@johno1954
7 күн бұрын
Give an example
@Sir-loin86
7 күн бұрын
@@johno1954 it would be easier for me to tell you what isn’t ridiculous about them
@Sir-loin86
7 күн бұрын
@@johno1954 why don’t you tell me what isn’t ridiculous about whichever holy book you follow as my list is incredibly short
@johno1954
7 күн бұрын
@@Sir-loin86 I’m a Christian. God has done nothing “immoral” as he made morals and morals are based from God. He is all just
Dude is such a weasel 😅
@sadderwhiskeymann
23 күн бұрын
Dude was your average xtian. It was Alex who SHINED in that debate 🌞
@russell311000
23 күн бұрын
lol
@user-xj5rd7zi1d
22 күн бұрын
Quit insulting weasels by comparing them to de Souza.
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
Stop, O people, that I may give you rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.” (Narrated by Al-Bayhaqi in Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, (Vol. 9, p. 90
To fully acknowledge the atrocities committed by your God, recognize their horror, but still have the cognitive dissonance to convince yourself that he’s good is impressive. Must be peaceful to live so ignorantly and be okay with it.
@Iwillreply
23 күн бұрын
A true _Compartmentalizer._
@TheRONdezvousPoint
22 күн бұрын
And they actually think this unhealthy way of forming beliefs won't affect how they navigate reality 😅
@anormalhuman9
14 күн бұрын
Lmao true I'm confident that the bible is false
@joshuafleckenstein351
14 күн бұрын
@@anormalhuman9 and you should be, but even if the Bible were true and it wasn’t as flawed as it is, that simply means their God is unworthy of being praised. The God of the Bible, especially the OT, is impressively despicable. Vain, conceited, genocidal, petty, the list goes on. As someone who previously dedicated the majority of their life to Christianity, it’s insane how much the believer is willing to overlook under the guise of “his ways are better than mine” and the excuse of historical context.
@anormalhuman9
14 күн бұрын
@@joshuafleckenstein351 man!!true bro. I aslo grew up in a Christian house hold and truly believed in the bible for like14 years! But as I kept growing it was just painfully obvious this GOD'S cruel in the bible And also God loves us yet he sends us to hell and then he feels some kind of grief? What kind of illogical entity does this? And Christians call this "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE",while the bible revolves around conditions. I also recommend you a book called "CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD" very fascinating book I would say.(you would really hope that such a God exists)
Alex is an absolute intellectual bruiser. Well in, Matey.
"That's not what Jesus thought." - Alex O'Connor 2024 This is the point Apologists do not want to acknowledge: The God of the Old Teatament & The God of the New Testament are 1 & the same, Begotten not Made, so Yahqeh & Jesus are the same God. That makes Yahweh's atrocities Jesus' 'crimes' too.
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
Great logic. I hadn't really thought of that. Yahweh = Jesus Thanks (If the non-biblical doctrine of the Trinity is true. The mainstream current understanding of the Trinity was decided by the Church hundreds of years after the last books of the New Testament were written.)
Ah Dinesh, that grifter is still plying his trade.
Stop! Stop! He's already dead!
How Dinesh manages to get on to any stage is a miracle in itself.
_"To argue with a man who has renounced the use & authority of reason, & whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture."_ [Thomas Paine]
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
Stop, O people, that I may give you rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.” (Narrated by Al-Bayhaqi in Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, (Vol. 9, p. 90
@Egooist.
16 күн бұрын
@@xiontion9993 _"With great power comes great responsibility."_ [Spider-Man]
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
@@Egooist. It seems the world has forgotten that responsibility....
@Egooist.
16 күн бұрын
@@xiontion9993 The "world" has no responsibilities.
@xiontion9993
16 күн бұрын
@@Egooist. it depends on who your asking,,,,,if your asking islam then the list is big,,,,,,if your asking a brainwashed atheist he will say everything means is nothing and nothing means everything...........
Always fun when the critic knows and quotes the sacred text more than the defendent.
I bet Dinesh crashed his car on the way home from this debate because he kept trying to win the argument with a card board cut-out of Alex sitting in his passenger seat.... 🤣🤣🤣
Who would you rather be stuck on an island? Dinesh is insufferable.
The Old Testament doesn’t count cos reasons. Jesus said he’s here to fulfill the old law
False Interpretation is the work of the charlatan or the uneducated. Isn't it ironic, that the more thorough the study of the bible, the more the lean towards agnosticism or atheism.
@johno1954
7 күн бұрын
Delusional
Alex is RUTHLESS and i love ittt
Jesus emphasized that the entire Torah would remain in force as long as heaven and earth exist. All other beliefs are misinterpretations. Yahweh is the father of Jesus. The other guy got lost in his false theology.
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
Jesus teaches a different Gospel in the synoptics to that which Paul teaches, for example in his letter to the Romans. Jesus' teaching is mostly about repentance and obeying the commandments. Paul's teaching is centred on faith. Following Jesus is much harder than Paul's much easier Gospel. This is probably the main reason Christianity spread so fast.
@mrl9418
17 күн бұрын
"False theology" sounds a lot like "fake wizardry"
@hopelessnerd6677
15 күн бұрын
"False theology"? What other kind is there?
Alex says he is against slavery, but he keeps owning people in these debates
Thanks for holding this slime ball to account. Dinesh is so annoying and frustrating. You and Hitch have been the best at shutting him down and embarrassing him 👏 cheers to that!
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
I think Hitchens would have been very pleased with Alex's intellect and debating skill.
@PhsychoSomatic
13 күн бұрын
Dinesh is definitely on top for one of the greasiest weasels of all christian appologists. This was so satisfying to watch i find myself going back to it again and again
Christians truly are the champions of mental gymnastics. 🤔
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
Or they just ignore the "difficult" teachings.
@Juicersen
22 күн бұрын
They really give flat earthers a run for their money. Those people can come up with anything to fit their narrative lmfao
But Dinesh, what YOU are missing is the fact that Yahweh is SUMERIAN Storm God... one out of a pantheon of dozens! And he did not choose the Jews; the Jews chose him!
DANCE little man!
“Before Abraham was, I AM.” Somebody famous said that, but I’m having trouble remembering who it was…
@brenta2634
23 күн бұрын
I know! It was that Jesus character in the Christian myth.
@KartonRealista2
22 күн бұрын
@@brenta2634 Actually only in the Gospel of John, not in the synoptic gospels. John is the latest gospel of the four
@brenta2634
22 күн бұрын
@@KartonRealista2 Yeah that's the thing about myths, right? They change and there are different versions that pop up.
@IanM-id8or
22 күн бұрын
That would have been the anonymous author of the Gospel according to "John" Not sure that being anonymous equates to being famous, however. Oh, did you actually think that JESUS said that? Oh, you sweet summer child LOL
@hipepleful
21 күн бұрын
I said that. It's in the quote. Weird name for someone, though
That is my go to verse when talking to any Christian. Its basically saying that you are not following gods laws unless you are following exodus. But Christians have to cherry pick and ignore so much of the bible or else they would be thrown in prison because those laws are barbaric.
@MorganEdge
23 күн бұрын
And that's religion for you
@Dimension37
23 күн бұрын
LOL exactly
@Will_92
23 күн бұрын
If you read the whole chapter you'll see that Jesus was referring to the commands that he gave in that context . The commands Jesus gave are the fulfillment of the law, not the abolishment of it. But this does mean that some commands governing the Jews as a nation no longer applied to Christians as a worldwide religion
@Joe-rm7rr
23 күн бұрын
@Will_92 yeah it's referring to the laws of Moses which is exodus
@dbossmotiv
23 күн бұрын
@@Will_92”.. abolish the law OR prophets…” Jesus is not talking about commands he just gave. He’s clearly talking about Mosaic law. Otherwise why mention prophets? lol. More coping from Christians.
I love how you are able to discuss. You are civilized, you don't scream, you don't get angry and you answer arguments sharp and clear instead of just repeating arguments of the Ideology you identify with. I think these are the marks of a real truth seeker. No wonder you discovered mysticism.
didnt know dinesh was a gnostic
@BlindWatcherDeux
23 күн бұрын
He's just a No-Stick! 🤣 Slimy fu¢¥er 😝
Alex is so good that he can use 'that's not what Jesus thought' as evidence for his case!
Alex is the master at editing clips. Absolutely untouchable.
As a Christian, Dinesh was very unprepared for Alex.
@dansharp2860
22 күн бұрын
The only thing Dinesh was prepared for was his appearance fee. His opening speech was a mess and it was telling that he wanted Alex to go first. He needed something to argue against despite being for the proposition.
@snapgab
22 күн бұрын
I don't think preparation was the issue.
@PhsychoSomatic
13 күн бұрын
Bible wasnt written to be defended
I honestly don't understand why Alex would want to discuss religion with an expert on politics and why Dinesh would discuss the Bible when her clearly is not an expert on it.
@Keira_Blackstone
23 күн бұрын
calling Dinesh an 'expert' in politics is a gross exaggeration.
@DRWH044
23 күн бұрын
@@Keira_Blackstone perhaps just state that he knows politics better than religion/philosophy
@Dimension37
23 күн бұрын
It’s bcz he needs money, a gig
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
@@Dimension37 He certainly had to work hard and suffer a lot of humiliation and embarrassment.
@fpcoleman57
22 күн бұрын
I think Dinesh underestimated Alex. He is over 60 years of age and Alex is still in his early 20s. Alex, though, has a degree from Oxford University in Theology and Dinesh only has a BA in English. Also, just like Christopher Hitchens, Alex has a very sharp mind and can process information quickly. Whereas someone like myself would fumble around even though I know a lot, Alex responds immediately.
The moment you begin to question the supposedly unquestionable... 🤔
Like watching Mike Tyson fight an infant.
There's so much going on in what Alex said. 1st, "I've come to fulfill the prophets not condemn them" was inserted by early Christian fathers to make it appear that the man Christians call Jesus is God. He never, ever referred to himself this way. 2nd, "heaven & earth shall not.... until these words are fulfilled". He was talking about spiritual truths which he was teaching to the Jews. Spiritual truths that will never change because they are embedded in us, the human species. Jesus was a learned scholar & had intuitive & profound spiritual knowledge which he tried to impart to an audience that was ignorant ( lacking knowledge) & could not grasp it. He was trying to convince them that what he said was the truth. Sometimes, what he said is an answer in relation to what someone said or asked before he spoke. Problem is that it was not written down . All we have is Jesus' response which can be quite ambiguous. 3rd, the God of the OT was different from the God of the NT because God is a human construct & as civilization advanced in the Levant, the concept of God evolved. The raging & vitriolic God of the OT sanctioned the land grabs that all the tribes at that time were engaged for one reason or another; whether it was grazing land, water rights, fertile valleys for crops or hills & mountains for mineral mining. This suggests that God is man's alter ego.
@playerone3018
23 күн бұрын
You mean god didn't create us in his image? We have created him in ours and worship it.
@Dimension37
23 күн бұрын
^
@carolfleetwood2419
23 күн бұрын
@@playerone3018 yes
@SFnader
23 күн бұрын
@@playerone3018there are a thousand religions made in man's image like the old testament and there are a few that spread the gospel of Jesus like Buddhism for example which are actually preaching truth and love.
Get emm
I watched that debate, it bounced back and forth between incredibly satisfying and incredibly frustrating, depending on who was talking. As for who, lets just say one of the participants should be really proud of how well he did, and the other is D'Souza
Alex destroyed him so bad in that debate it was hilarious.
Damn Alex really stopped him dead in his tracks
This was gold. Sadly, it will probably be Alex’s last religious debate. I don’t see anyone lining up for a whipping any time soon. Love this dude!
Dinesh was way outmatched outclassed and outsmarted in this debate
The full discussion was a massacre of biblical proportions. Alex reminds me of a kinder, gentler Hitchens.
This is so painful to listen to . Alex is very sharp and always to the point.
To be honest just let the poor man talk. Sometimes silence allows people to come to the same conclusion when they go through it. If you interrupt him you are not going to convince him.
"You're completely missing it" "You don't understand" "There's context" EVERY TIME a theist gets confronted with stuff in their storybook they don't like...
The logic though👌👌👌
This is embarrassing! The arrogance of Dinesh in thinking that he can school Alex is disgraceful. Alex has an Oxford University degree in Theology and, I suspect has read and studied the Bible more than most Christians. Dinesh has a BA in English and is, principally, a political commentator. He's completely out of his depth here.
I love how Alex starts reciting scripture and Dinesh just shuts it XDD
Dinesh gets absolutely destroyed by this man.
Alex is way too smart for Dinesh.
Hey dinesh, come back here with that goalpost.
This is legendary, man. The last World Series before we entered the war, same season as DiMaggio’s unbreakable streak.
It would be nice to hear his reply without it being cut off
Basically no sensational activity until test segment is concluded
Dinesh Certainly can't turm disagree with words of "Jesus".
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." "Only fools revere the supernatural myths just because a book claims itself to be the holy truth." "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
Wow never watched Dinesh squirm as much as he did here. Bravo to Alex!
Alex turned him into a Gnostic😂😂😂
Well done Alex!
Even the best amongst them don't know what they believe.
Dinah pooped the bed, again
@chrislabonte3582
23 күн бұрын
That should read "Dinesh". Damn you, autocorrect
Excellent job, Alex!
Im a Christian and Alex is 1000% right!
Fantastic. Alex is really articulate and I believe he can take on all the religious figureheads with ease except ISLAM. If Alex reverts to Islam, he would be unstoppable Da’ee😂 - May Allah guide him to Islam
I hate it when Christians try to distance themselves from the ot. It is part of scripture, and we have to reconcile them, or we wind up making fools of ourselves like this gentleman.
I was a believer for 42 years. Now I see. It’s disgusting how they want us to believe.
Great job, Alex.
"Until heaven and earth disappear". That hasn't happened, so the Law is still binding. Anyone who says it's not, is arguing with Jesus himself.
The way God sees you right now if you aren’t saved, is that your spiritual dead, alive yes but flatline spiritually. In Ecclesiastes all is vanity, doesn’t matter you you live a thousand years twice or die in your mothers womb. Life apart from God is vanity. Jesus came to take you out of that darkness into His light and to give you the glorious hope of eternal life in the kingdom of God!
Dinesh is just outright dishonest.
Dinesh clearly didn’t study his opponent, or the topic.
TLDR a 100 IQ gets intellectually eviscerated by 140 IQ
Dinesh isn't used to thinking.
Cant understand how Dinesh had decades to come up with canned rebuttals to pull out yet he fumbled like this is the first time hes heard Alex's criticisms
Excellent work here Alex ! I remember the Priest in Catholic School would tell us to respectfully downplay any unsavoury references to bad things "apparently ordered " by God - and simply concentrate on the New Testament ! We were all uncomfortable with this but had Alex been in my class in school - well that would have been interesting !
Alex grabbing the tapdancer and holding his feet to the fire 👏👏👏🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
I love watching this dude because I think he’s one of very few intellectually honest atheists. He asks very smart, thoughtful questions that are challenging for believers. As an individual who’s firm in his Faith, I wish I could have a conversation with him.
@TheOneTheOnly-GOD
15 күн бұрын
“Faith”, the most beautiful method of self deception, and what keeps me alive. No proof required 😇
@Egooist.
14 күн бұрын
_"Faith means not wanting to know, what's true."_ [Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche] (Glaube heißt Nicht-wissen-wollen, was wahr ist.)
Never argue with a convicted felon, Alex.
Get em Alex... typical dishonest theists