Update: 1) Thank you to everyone who has offered help on maths! I have several people working to help me figure out how likely it is that these results are statistically significant, so far it's looking good though! I've had one estimate that we can say with 86% confidence that the QBL has a higher avg. D/M than the SBL. 2) I of course know the stats of the QBL (including the additional damage on charged shots) but I decided against putting them in my video as I find that a little mundane 3) The test was likely effected by my own bias too but if anything that bias likely favoured the SBL, one because I’ve been using the SBL for years and two, I had assumed the SBL was better going in. 4) These days I tend to use the Sticky Jumper when playing Demoman

@yiyang4445

5 жыл бұрын

Great! Just a reminder, normally sample size have to be larger than 30 or 40 in order to fit the sample means into a normal sampling distributuion. There are indeed other methods but using a normal sampling distribution is the classic. Using statistics to judge weapon seems really cool and I am sure it would be helpful in compliment with subjective reasoning. Good luck!

@elkpants1280

4 жыл бұрын

hey Toofty, what you might consider doing for a future video like this, what would be having viewers or friends you trust run some of these experiments, they don't need to be perfectly executed since you would have a large enough sample size that any outliers or mistaken method should be minimized. Outsourcing!

@bradfastsnubwarde3523

4 жыл бұрын

Hmm... interesting. My instinct RE: Iron Bomber + Quickie Launcher is that it would not be quite as good as the raw damage numbers suggest, because the two would not have the best synergy. You've essentially got two weapons that fill a very similar niche: something which is half way between a grenade launcher and a stickybomb launcher, so using them together might make you less versatile. The place where 'half-way-house' weapons like this tend to shine, is when they are paired with something that is radically different to stock e.g. QBL + Loose Cannon IB + Sticky Jumper IB + DemoKnight shields This way the QBL/IB can fill in some of the functionality that is lost by not having the normal pipes/stickies by being an acceptable compromise between the two. This is coming from a dyed-in-the-wool Medic main, though, so there may be details particular to Demo, that I have failed to consider.

@MultiTsunamiX

4 жыл бұрын

If your confidence ended up being 86%, you might have stats hacked. You have to first determine the interval of significance And then calculate, if it is in that interval. Also you can only have the hypothesis discarded (whatever is the english word for that) or not discarded, you can't really confirm with 86% of confidence.

@crimsonpyro6076

3 жыл бұрын

the not stock is best

Tooftie: QBL Community: Stock Me: Scottish Resistance

@St4rsh

5 жыл бұрын

Demo is a defence class right? TSR is a defensive weapon made for traps and only traps and can't be used in attacking for the bombing time but it's pretty useful in spawn camping defending CP or PL and trapping an entire team incoming to attack.

@jldragon7855

5 жыл бұрын

scottish resistance gang. tho i often switch to quickie when i get tired of the slower setup

@robertstegmann9260

5 жыл бұрын

Scottish Resistance OP on attack

@St4rsh

5 жыл бұрын

@@robertstegmann9260 honestly my dude, your joke is perfect

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

Correction: Community: Stock You: Scottish Resistance Me: Sticky Jumper!

Also. If you charge your shot fully with QBL the sticky does more damage than if you were to just shoot it. The more you know

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

This was my assumption as to why it felt like I was doing more damage at range.

@theconga3098

4 жыл бұрын

Let’s be honest here, why didn’t know about that

@coolestgamenerd

3 жыл бұрын

Panik!

@mintmango10

3 жыл бұрын

Penggu TF2 Lo a lot of people sadly

@brady.widlake

3 жыл бұрын

Ok we have a winner

Hard Demo main here. I picked up the quickie two years ago, and started using it as a meme. I 'quickly' found out that it was much more than that. --The damage penalty doesn't matter in the slightest. If I am in a situation in which I HAVE to sticky spam in order to get out, I don't even notice a damage difference. Quickie can charge faster, it's easier to jump with AND it can do more consistent damage with the only real downside being a smaller clip size. This is what a side grade should be. -- Today, I still favor the QBL over the Sticky and will continue to unless it's ever nerfed. Also great for a Kritz pocket AND it can destroy enemy stickies. Does nobody understand how fucking useful that is???

@this...isabucket.6665

5 жыл бұрын

I fucking do. I have played with both launchers for a while with 4000 hours under my belt and have chosen quickiebomber as my main gun. I have gone on huge tears with this thing, highest killstreak ever was 44. Most people think stock is better, but I truly beg to differ. Stock may do more damage, but quickie has a faster detonation time and charging up shots lead to even more damage than stock. These two stats work wonders together, letting you make quick work of any close range opponent with those 125 damage bombs. That detonation time might not seem much, but you can more reliably nail those close explosions, avoiding the massive damage fall off. That's the problem with stock; by the time you can detonate the bomb the enemy would have moved far away from the sticky and you'd be dealing a fraction of what quickie can do. And yes! The ability to destroy bombs is a huge upside! You have a massive advantage in 1v1 demo spamouts, able to neuter a deadly trap with one bomb, which also makes you ideal as a support in a team push to clear out team-wiping stickytraps. I have rarely found the halved clip to be troublesome, since with that fast detonation time, youd have to have a mental disability to mistime the explosions. The only problem I have with this video is now people will go and try the quickiebomber out and realize how kick-ass it is, which may lead to valve nerfing it.

@EnergyBurst2

5 жыл бұрын

I read in another comment that when it comes to sticky spamming the stock has a damage ramp up that the quickie does not making the -15% damage almost nullified when just spamming and insta detting your stickies.

@gangweedernigga4012

5 жыл бұрын

*_scunt slowly aproaches_*

@kirbyfreakyt4695

4 жыл бұрын

Did I read the stats wrong? Isn't there a damage bonus on max charge?

@kirbyfreakyt4695

4 жыл бұрын

I just read the stats. THERE. IS. This does MORE DAMAGE THAN STOCK when you have time to charge, its -15% is barely NOTICEABLE and its secondary downside of half the clip is its MAIN downside with time being a secondary one, similar to how the 20% doesn't effect the ubersaw but the fact that it's a melee weapon IS used as a downside.

The Quickie Bomb Launcher is the perfect example of what a sidegrade should be. It sacrafices damage in exchange for flexibility. The QBL is great for more open maps or those looking for a more "roamer" playstyle but dont want to completly loose their primary damage output. The QBL forces you to land more accurate shots due to the smaller clip cappacity and it also forces you to rely more on the grenade launcher. The Quickie Bomb Launcher and The Iron Bomber make a POWERFUL combination, you can output a staggering amount of damage due to the weapons being so flexible. The QBL is ideal for sticky sniping and it perfect for clearing out sniper nests, sentry nests and even airshots. The stock stickybomb launcher has much better sustain and it more used for tight maps with lots of choke points, it is also great for assaulting heavily fortified control points due to its damage output. But for those looking for a more agressive playstyle thatmakes you more flexible and a quicker damage output the quickiebomb launcher is an exellent choice. It is also good for keeping pressure on the eneny at longer distance. And while the constant need to reload is frustrating you will be doing more work with the QBL due to you being able to quickly adjust the travel distance of your shot, greatly extending your range. The QBL is also great for finishing off retreating enemies. You should definetly try using the Iron Bomber + Quickiebomb Launcher combo. You will have to rely on both grenades and stickies at the same time, you will rely less on spam and more on predicting enemy movement to get a direct shot and make the most of your sticky.

@vuthidoan2106

5 жыл бұрын

I did 2341 damage per minute with the scottish resistance on sawmill with no medic once

@adinwilcox3836

5 жыл бұрын

Vu Thi Doan thats probobly because with the Scottish resistance you can detonate many more stickies at once, meaning yoyr traps can do damage well over there max in one detonation

@microwavestravelingatmach2111

5 жыл бұрын

I thought your profile pic was a piece of hair on my phone.

@disappointedcucumber

5 жыл бұрын

@Daniel von Strangle The word *crutch* isn't used correctly here. The Scottish Resistance is a decent sidegrade. It makes me wonder if the tf2 team was trying to do something similar to the spy watches. Dead Ringer- Offensive Cloak and Dagger- Defensive Invis Watch- Both Quickiebomb Launcher- Offensive Scottish Resistance-Defensive Stickybomb Launcher- Both

@unknownuser8967

5 жыл бұрын

@Daniel von Strangle Blah blah blah everyone says everything is a crutch these days. Its a decent sidegrade imo.

**Scottish resistance reads the dps stats of the QBL and SBL** “laughs in gaelic”

@uranusuranus144

4 жыл бұрын

Laughs in Demoknight*

@arnelbraga4745

4 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-vs9so english acceptance?

@ToxicBastard

4 жыл бұрын

KA (and I cannot stress this enough) BOOM!!!

@twobladedswordsandmauls2120

3 жыл бұрын

@@arnelbraga4745 I think he got auto-corrected.

@twobladedswordsandmauls2120

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-vs9so Sticky spam. Which is what the QBL is DESIGNED for.

"Traps are not gay" -Toofty

@hiru88888

5 жыл бұрын

He’s gay

@the_egg_

4 жыл бұрын

@@hiru88888 ur gay

@yes8807

4 жыл бұрын

Fred's Not Gay Remember

@someguy1716

4 жыл бұрын

I encounter a demoknight in a server he had a poster plummer saying traps are gay

@omniscientbarebones

3 жыл бұрын

Quickie and Sticky...

I always thought that the Stickybomb Launcher was usually the better option since it does more reliable damage since the Quickiebomb Launcher has a 15% damage penalty and half the clip which I can see why some people don't really consider using this weapon but I'll make sure to give the Quickiebomb Launcher a go after watching this video.

@carljohan9265

5 жыл бұрын

The thing toofty mentioned about the mindset you end up with when using the 2 weapons is interesting. I personally find myself aiming less effectively when I use the SBL because "I have more shots", while I aim more carefully with a grenade lancher because "I have to make my shots count", and the QBL falls into the latter cathegory. I believe the minigun/tomislav choise for most people comes down to something similar. You pick the one that puts you in the mindset that works best for your specific aim. Same with the grenade launcher/iron bomber.

@warthogvanguard7292

5 жыл бұрын

StickMaster500 man I see you everywhere brother.

@MartinPurathur

5 жыл бұрын

Scout mains hyperventilate

@masteryoda3136

5 жыл бұрын

I wonder what the inventory of the legendary stickmaster looks like

@frydog4217

5 жыл бұрын

do you even watch the videos before you comment on them. all your comments seem to be vaguely related to the title and not commenting on anything said on the video

The Quicklybomb looks like a BDSM sticky bomb launcher.

@ITMenterprises

4 жыл бұрын

shit, i just searched that up, i thought it was like diy craftmanship

@finmin2k

4 жыл бұрын

@@ITMenterprises hAHAHAHAA

@PFSnypr

4 жыл бұрын

@@ITMenterprises the big oof

@RetardedSealBro

4 жыл бұрын

mm stickly

@adambaryliuk3393

4 жыл бұрын

Rustin 𝖔𝖔𝖋

The story ofQuickiebomb Launcher, undeservedly forgotten demoman's secondary

@elcacahuate7l979

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't know it existed until I had 400 hours of game

@scylla-2

3 жыл бұрын

@@elcacahuate7l979 i forgot until 1740hrs i realized how good it is. But the reload gives a big vulnerability.

@TheLunarMan

3 жыл бұрын

@@scylla-2 I think the quickiebomb launcher promotes more of a roamer playstyle.

You forgot to mention there the QBL destroys enemy stickies. That may be another reason to use it. ☺️

@fiazbot5921

4 жыл бұрын

You can also use it to destroy enemy traps at spawn when the round starts.

@matthewmurphy9248

4 жыл бұрын

Or clear traps from chokepoints, where that is most useful.

@memeboy4206

4 жыл бұрын

I did not know that. Thanks. :)

@RayanfhoulaBR

3 жыл бұрын

@WaterNinja YT demobro

Hey guys! Psychology and Biology student here (am going to uni in September YAY)! Ideally for a pure perfect test you would play somewhere around 50 games (with the exact same amount of defence against attack) for each weapon with the same teams, maps and equipment load-outs to eliminate any possible placebo effects, confirmation biases, observational error or falsification of data. Obviously you can't do this but what you can also do is make sure that your load-out never changes and that you play for the same amount of time (and same amount of warmup if you do any) so that your skill level should be as close together as possible. Another thing to compare is stupid random crits. You already removed anomalous games as well which is helpful. In regards to statistically testing whether there is a significant difference we first need to compare the types of data. As we're using pure measurements of Damage (I would only recommend comparing the Damage per Minute in each game rather than an average) this means that we're using Interval data (specific numbers and ratios). This kind of experiment is also called Repeated Measures as the same participants go through two different tests. This means that (if I remember correctly) this should mean that we need to use a Wilcoxon signed rank test and we would want it to be 95% certain that the results were not due to chance (critical values). Note before I show the equations that I am doing this all from memory and might be incorrect but I believe that the equations should be: mw=0 δw=√n(n+1)(2n+1)/6 z=(W-mw±0.5)/δw I found my z score to be 0.011 which means that there is a 1.1% chance that these results are due to chance which in theory means that you're results are statistically relevant but it's kinda murky and uncertain. I hope this helps but there's a good chance I may be wrong, I think I did see another comment down below that also tried to explain the same thing. Good Luck! EDIT: Spelling errors.

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex that's really helpful, I appreciate you spending the time explaining this to me!

@FrancOhGee

5 жыл бұрын

I just took an AP stats exam and this is giving me PTSD. btw wouldn't you conduct a 2-sample t-test since you'd want to figure out if the difference between the two means is statistically significant?

@meme_chef

5 жыл бұрын

your p value is .011 not your zscore

@ThePenally1

5 жыл бұрын

Meme Chef Oops! You’re absolutely right. I guess then it wouldn’t be significant but I cannot be bothered to work it out again. Feel free to further correct me if I made any more mistakes.

@ThePenally1

5 жыл бұрын

Franco G I think a T-test would also work as this should be within parametric results; I may have gotten some of my tests mixed up between Spearmans Rank and stuff. Thanks for pointing it out. Also I know that feeling with the PTSD.

you’re wrong the pan is the best weapon in the game

@impazie

4 жыл бұрын

pan in paper > does same damage > is louder = worse pan in practice > huh????? it works????

@javacrow7396

4 жыл бұрын

@L Random crits

@Tuntor689

3 жыл бұрын

L Nothing Are Fair and Balanced

@JaymerFIll

3 жыл бұрын

The jarate is better

@baglespelledwrong8159

3 жыл бұрын

ham>pan ham: > really cheap >crits all the time =no strange but that means you dont feel like always using it >jiggle bones =funny wack sound pan: crits all the time

The minimum number of samples you would need to take would be 30 for each weapon. It's called the "central limit theorem". Other than that, data was collected pretty much fairly.

I think the final sticky vs grenade graph really highlights the really good class weapon balancing by valve, one does not outshine the other.

I took the ap statistics exam yesterday and seeing that equation actually shocked me

@nativechatter999

4 жыл бұрын

never thought it was gonna apply to real life huh

@aidanholland8921

4 жыл бұрын

i liked this message a year ago

Whenever I use the quickie bomb launcher it's usually as a quickie knight. Get four heads with the eyelander as demo knight, run back to spawn, change load out to boots, quickie, and eyelander. It's a very fun play style, being the second fastest class in the game with a quick damage output. Other than that I'd typically use stock for default flexibility and the resistance for straight up defense.

@vivelespatat2670

3 жыл бұрын

You are the worst person I have ever seen I love it

@fooyanjie6057

3 жыл бұрын

It’s like a boss fight with stages

@TrickyRover

3 жыл бұрын

This used to be more viable when QBL had more shots and when booties actually boosted your speed without requiring you to equip a shield.

2:19 this is the formula for a z-score, which requires a z-table (already premade). x with a bar is the input, while the weird u is the mean of all of your data. the one at the bottom is the standard deviation of all of your data divided by the square root of the amount of things you have. This thing is used to know what percentage is your input (the x thing) amongst all your data. so basically you can find out if something is in the top 10%, or 50%, or is at the bottom. It's extremely hard work since you need to make *an entire table out of all the data.*

"Its worth STICKING around" Nice play wwith words there Toofty

@plum1405

5 жыл бұрын

Nic it’s called a pun.

@nic3097

5 жыл бұрын

@@plum1405 Wow dont ya say sherlock :D

well the way see it goes like this - as a demomain i always get confused on wether using QBL or SBL but here is what i did. so i opened a tr_walkway_rc2 server and tested some stuff. first, i tested how much more damage does the QBL when fully charged and i was got amazed when suddenly i det a full charged QBL sticky and it did 138. to put that into prespective, 2 splash stock stickies can do 60-70 each. moreover, the faster arm time would allow one to get kills they wouldnt have got by simply using the stock cuz faster charge means higher chance of hitting for example an escaping medic with crispy 40-50 extra chip dmg that could potentially drop the medic or other light classes (aka makes sticky sniping way easier). also one stat that on paper is just straight up dumb and op is the ability to destroy enemey demomen stickies. as a comp/ casual player, i can tell u that such stat gives massive advantage to the team usin the QBL as no chokes/wall/intel or point could be reliably protected by an enemey demo. btw: im the big gay guy from ur stream ty alot u helped me lmao

@michaelcrouson1207

5 жыл бұрын

Your the big gay guy from steam? Have you seen the username holodeckgamer720?

@rumi4143

5 жыл бұрын

@@michaelcrouson1207 not rly but good thingu know me :)

0:47 that team comp tho

@eh2587

3 жыл бұрын

Engineer gaming

I’ve been NEEDING this video rn! Suddenly decided to be normal and use a sticky launcher instead of the tide turner, and thought both launchers were pretty good... Perfect timing!

I think the Scottish resistance is a good weapon for people who don't stickyspam, and the quickiebomb launcher for those who do. And you can use stock as an 'all rounder'.

@mechiimi

5 жыл бұрын

Naleksuh hi nale

@UsingGorillaLogic

5 жыл бұрын

The main sacrifice with the resistance is that you can't clip soldiers in the air (if you are good enough to do that) with traps you set high up on reaction, and you can't really do anything to save yourself from good scouts. Because of this, I feel like it is a very very powerful weapon on maps with lots of chokepoints where those factors don't exist but is very poor in open maps where you NEED self protection of any kind.

@Naleksuh

5 жыл бұрын

@@UsingGorillaLogic Well maybe toofty is assuming you are only using your secondary. But you could just use your grenade launcher for those situations. Nevertheless I use stock

@UsingGorillaLogic

5 жыл бұрын

@@Naleksuh The problem with that is that hitting a direct pipe on a flying target is more... hit or miss, and the splash damage is brutal to yourself at close range even compared to a stickey's splash. It CAN work, but it is not really preferred.

@PancakemonsterFO4

5 жыл бұрын

Naleksuh Scottish resistance is good for early game traps because you can deploy way more of them and are in control of the area you want to detonate so you can mine 3 spots at once rather then only one. It definitely profits from teamplay as the stickybomb launcher itself isn’t going to help in face to face encounters (you can still bait your enemy in a trapped hallway through but the novelty wears off after a fiew times)

Next Video Microsoft Launcher vs Google Now Launcher

@CarsonW518

5 жыл бұрын

Ios launcher.

@Eiosh

5 жыл бұрын

@@CarsonW518 that launcher is trash

@CarsonW518

5 жыл бұрын

@@Eiosh lol, hahha

@CarsonW518

5 жыл бұрын

Im just making it up cuz u only said micro and goog.

@leky1325

5 жыл бұрын

Nova launcher hands down

Sticky Jumper> All other launchers

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@infernodragon456

5 жыл бұрын

Its damage output was so much that they had to increase the damage penalty and reduce the amount of stickies out..

@iliqnmarinov8136

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@MochicoArtemis

Жыл бұрын

the sticky launcher is nothing but a weapon that wastes your secondary slot

@johnathan_maximiliam

10 ай бұрын

​@@MochicoArtemis*HERESY*

“Things that we’re out off my control” “Fatigue” Have you heard of sleeping?

Great video, I really appreciate the work ya put in to collecting data, editing, and all the other video-y stuff. because it really shows in the quality of your videos.

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Garrett!

Love the video, I like that it's not a clickbait one and enjoyed the number keep up the good work : )

Scottish resistance is still the best trap weapon for demo. You would be shocked just how many more kills can you get with it. Only downside is the slow deployment, which can be also its best feature. As it forces you to be more careful and sneaky.

I bought a professional killstreak quickybomb launcher to make a sans meme loadout because it was way cheaper than the stock. I’m glad it’s good apparently.

Great Video! Probably going to see if the QBL fits my play style

This video is so good for me, I’ve been trying to figure out which one to use.

Have you heard about the MechaWreck Situation?

@barda74a89

5 жыл бұрын

No

@linus8639

5 жыл бұрын

fun

@abdallahamin4253

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think we need to talk about this anymore

@drewf.dawson4743

5 жыл бұрын

@@abdallahamin4253 yeah

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

I hadn't heard of him before but I have now...

Stock loadout vs IB, QBL, (and melee of your choice)

@louisvalbo1884

5 жыл бұрын

There is no choice other than the *p a n*

@meepic2553

3 жыл бұрын

@@louisvalbo1884 but m e a t?

@hmmm4989

2 жыл бұрын

or the s i g n?

can we take a moment to appreciate how fitting it is that the voice clip he used when talking about the equation is the engineer? it just makes so much sence that it's the engineer given the fact that his bio includes a "favorite equation"

Fun fact: If you charge your stickies to max, you deal more damage than stock. Therefore, if you take the time to charge all the stickies in your trap, it becomes incredibly powerful, more so than stock.

1:04 The music lines up with Demo reloading his weapon.

I use the scottish resistance and did 2341 damage perminute on sawmill

@JS-cq7ut

5 жыл бұрын

What? Did they run into the stickies?

1:26 good guy toofty leaving the health pack for scout

Another great video Toofty

i hope u saying "sticking around" at 0:57 was meant to be an intended pun

Hi, I can run the statistical significance test if you can send me all of your DPM data for each game you played. Good video

@egaming1071

3 жыл бұрын

poggers

Top video mate, keep it up.

2:36 that spy was a lifesaver

the virgin sniper:situational,nobody likes him,other classes can do the same job and better,he stinks from his own piss,no personality,a burden to his team. the chad demoman:good in every situation,balanced,everyone likes him,he has personality,he has friends,doesn't stink,he is not a burden to his team.

@skinnybuggo

5 жыл бұрын

Demoman stinks of alcohol m8

@simonj6801

4 жыл бұрын

Sniper has a personality m8

@fusrosandvich3738

4 жыл бұрын

The demoman's eye is haunted.

@JacobKinsley

3 жыл бұрын

The only personality demoman mains have is annoying

@videakias3000

3 жыл бұрын

@@JacobKinsley well excuuuuuuse US princess for pushing payloads capturing points defending poing defending payload and pretty much doing anything that snipers think they are doing.

"Quicky or Sticky" That sounds like proposition in porn movies.... Or i have that much dirty thoughts

@horsenuggets1018

4 жыл бұрын

If you go Quicky you gonna be Sticky

@472zothansangachawngthu7

4 жыл бұрын

ok

You made me give the QBL a second chance, thanks

Hey this is an honest compliment. Your videos are very loud, which is good! Because you can just turn down the audio. I have a fan blown on me all the time because I get hot easily so I was happy to hear the video over my fan. Subscribed :)

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

Well I've never got a sub for being loud before

I think you're missing a very important point here: Taking out sentry nests. With a quickybomb launcher you have 0 chance of taking out a wrangled sentry. You just don't have that much damage in a clip. Same applies to overhealed heavies as well so if there was a point for versatility, I'd give that to the stickybomb launcher.

@eMercody

5 жыл бұрын

While I agree on the versatility part, I don’t agree that in those specific situations stock would do all that much better.

@Argonwolfproject

4 жыл бұрын

The resistance is also excellent against static targets, and in traps, while the quickie is the opposite, favoring active combat and suppressive fire. The stock brings a comfortable middle ground, as many stock weapons do, and the sticky jumper is a vehicle.

@dogman9291

4 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. The Quickie deals MUCH more damage than stock when fully charged. Stock deals 60-70 dmg while the fully charged Quickie can get 138. Again, that's with a single quickie bomb. Light classes can be oneshotted by a single quickiebomb without random crits. So if you're good with your long distance grenades to finish things off, the smaller clip can by bypassed easily to take down a wrangled sentry or overhealed heavy. Not as effectively as a Stickybomb launcher, but I'd argue both the QB and SB are versatile in different ways.

6:00 "This is based, of course, on my opinion" >Goes on to list several objective facts (besides visual design) Must be annoying having to deal with a community so whiny and toxic that prefacing everything you say with "to be clear this is my opinion" becomes a trained response that you say without thinking lmao

@absolutepineapple4115

4 жыл бұрын

I do agree with you but I believe he was referring to that this data was relative to his play styles and skill so it becomes "subjective" as it is relative to him and with different results based on each individual.

Hi toofty! I'm a medical student and subscriber! I dig your channel. I wanted to comment on the statistics thing because I'm exposed to quite a bit of science. basically this formula is meant for comparing outcomes in a sample (group of participants in a trial/experiment) with the outcomes in the overall population, so unless you're comparing something easily measurable like "damage caused per match" (which obviously has a ton of variables influencing it), then it would be tough to use the Z formula for this comparison of weapons. So the "n" under the square root symbol in the fraction in the denominator represents number of samples. for a scientific study, this could be number of patients that took a drug or didn't etc. Therefore, the larger the "n" number, the smaller the denominator will be. The top is sample mean minus population mean. the weird "d" looking thing is standard deviation, or how much your sample values varied from the sample mean, on average. Anyways, statistical significance basically means that you found something and it wasn't due to random chance. this formula means that if your sample mean is consistently different from your population mean, and most of the values in your sample are around the same number or don't have too much variance between them, and you have a larger number of inputs in your sample, then you are more likely to achieve "statistical significance".

Nice vid, changed my mind about the quickiebomb launcher

Stock all the way but im biased since mine are gold.

@mechiimi

5 жыл бұрын

are you just flexing your australiums on us

6:27 i disagree with this

Hey Toofty, unrelated comment here but I wanted to say I love your videos. I've been playing TF2 on and off since 2015, and I was never able to get the point of being capable as any one class due to just how complex the game as a whole is, and that I didn't really know what class was "fun to master" for me. I tried Pyro, and everyone told me I had no skill and should kill myself. I tried scout, and enemy scouts wrecked me constantly. I tried Medic, and I'm just not the type of person who enjoys support roles. After I found your channel, and saw your Demoman gameplay, I thought that the class looked fun. I had only played maybe 2-3 hours as Demo total at that point, and decided "fuck it i'll try this." I've now watched all of your tutorials, more than once, and tried to learn as much as I could. Now I absolutely consider myself a Demo main. I love the satisfaction of laying traps, of landing pipes, of just being a drunken buffoon with explosives... it's great. And while I'm by no means "good" at the game yet, I'm finally playing TF2 as a class I feel i'm able to contribute to the team with, and that I enjoy playing. So basically thanks for showing me how much fun it is to be a Demo-main.

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks for the kind words buddy! :)

@Zmeeed01

5 жыл бұрын

If people say you have no skill as Pyro you chop their heads in half with the Axtiguisher and then laugh at them. The Flare Gun is just as good for this.

Your demoman videos are helping me become a better spy, seeing how moving predictably under cloak is a death sentence against a good demo, teaching me not to move the way they’d expect.

Never thought that QBL would be so great,I always thought it was pretty bad because of the ammo,I would give it more chance to use it if it had 6 ammo like before the nerf but,you’ve proved me wrong,I’ll maybe try it at some point although I don’t usually use stickies cuz I find then bullshit but I’ll have to compare it,thanks a lot toofty:D keep the great vids

@Zmeeed01

5 жыл бұрын

Don't think that stickies are a bullshit. Rockets are the biggest bullshit in this game and the reason why I dislike even playing as Soldier. With stickies, you need to take arc and minimal arm time in account. With rockets, you just shoot them in general direction of the enemy and they just die because they do crapton of damage and their slowness doesn't really matter at close range (and since you can potentially rocket jump for just 15-20 health you can ALWAYS be at close range). Only good Scouts and enemy Soldiers feel like a match to me when I play this overpowered American moron.

every video you make that I watch makes me want to play demo even if I suck with him

Nice video. When I play stock I can’t rely on dropping a sticky for getting out of sticky close quarter situations (see what I did there). So the stock launcher has taught me to be more aware of my position, what’s approaching and getting into the habit of routinely laying traps as a barrier. I generally favour QBL though because I have an aggressive dps style.

On uncertainties and significance, from a university course in experimental physics. In this case, you’re comparing two sets of measurements and you want to know weather the difference is significant. This can be done in three (relatively) simple steps. Step 1: calculate the uncertainties in the two sets. For a set x of n independent measurements, start by calculating each value’s deviation from the mean: d = x_i - , where x_i is one value and is the mean. Then the uncertainty in the mean can be calculated as σ = sqrt(1/(n^2-n)*sum(d_i^2)), “sqrt”=“square root”. For each measured quantity (P/M, K/M, ...) you then get one value and one uncertainty. Step 2: calculate the uncertainty in the difference. For two values X and Y with uncertainties σ and δ, the difference between them is D = X - Y, and the uncertainty in the difference is σ_D = sqrt(σ^2 + δ^2). Step 3: compare |D| is the absolute value of D, meaning the value without the sign. If |D| If |D| > 2*σ_D then the difference is significant. If it’s in between then further research is needed. [Note: writing math in a KZread comment is hard. If I made a mistake, please do tell me. ]

8:17 the noise is closer to a pneumatic device (air powered/pressurised) which also works, somewhat, for how grenade launchers actually sound, kinda like a *thump thump* like sound.

IMO, the quickiebomb launcher is better as a primary weapon (how you were using it in the video), but if you want your launcher to be a secondary weapon, you should use stock as you can spam it in desperation more

I would love to see a comparison video between the FaN and stock for Scout

I’m actually a pretty big demo player so I’m interested! I actually used the cladehmor (Forgive my spelling), before they reverted the stat change. I was a hybrid knight and it fit my play style perfectly. I’d love to get a weapon that does that again (health on kill but not zatoichi style draw backs)

"So it'll be good if you stick around" I see what you did there

I guess you could try playing PUGs for gathering data in more data in a more controlled environment, without necessarily risking pissing peiple off in ranked matches or the like. RGL usually hosts ProLander pick-up games that don't really affect rank or mess with teams, there may be other leagues/sites that could allow this sort of games, but they were the first that came to mind. Great vid!

I love the qbl so much!

what analysis do you do? What's the structure of data collection? is there any blocking for other factors?

Thanks for arming demos with a better sticky spamming weapon

6:25 Lmao that was such a good joke.

6:38 The real Killer of X

Yeah I'd love to find if it is statistically significant, I just finished AP stats yesterday lol. I just need to know the damage in each game and the length of each game

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

I can share the raw data in Discord if you're on it

1:00 It's worth _sticking_ around Gottem.

@PumpyGT

4 жыл бұрын

Fyuc you XD

How do you find the servers where spies keep heading in the same direction after they cloak, medics run down a tunnel by themselves toward you and your team, and players decide to all run toward the sticky you just laid down between them?

@toofty if you ask me the sticky trilogy is a scale from offense to defense on the offense side we have the quickie on the defense side we have the Scottish resistance and in the middle is stock sticky bomb launcher

3:21, woah that purple on your weapon is awesome, what sheen is it?

Been using QBL more than SBL because flexibility and shorter arm time, although yes reduced clip size makes it kinda painful to use

Finally a new video

I wanna know what the paint on your sticky bomb launcher is called, it looks really cool

6:24 🤣🤣 masterful joke AMAZING. I actually couldn't stop laughing

QBL is great for traps especially with that faster charge , you can snipe traps off into the distance that have more damage , imo

I don’t know much about the equations to measure statistical significance, but in statistics they teach that surveys should include at least 20 participants per group. Maybe do 20+ games per weapon instead of 16? Either way, great work on these videos :^)

For future experiments, I think it might be worth using your other weapons (in this the case grenade launcher) as normal. If you limit yourself to sticky bomb launchers, then you lose a tool that can help you a lot in a certain set of situations. It makes sense then that the bomb launcher which better fills that void (quickie) without giving up too much in the sticky bomb use-case would give better results. It definitely seems like the QBL has a big positive impact, but I don't think it's quite as big as the data would indicate. I think testing as part of a complete loadout would give a more realistic picture going forward.

@glazguy112

3 жыл бұрын

Well when comparing two weapons that is just idiotic because when comparing damage how can you know what gun did what damage

@Magitrek

3 жыл бұрын

@@glazguy112 Think of it like a scientific experiment, since it kind of is. This would be the equivalent of an early stage study where you look at how something performs in isolation. It's shown that there's a definite advantage -in isolation-. For TF2's analogue to "real world scenarios" though, you need to test it as part of a whole kit. Then you can know how that advantage translates to real scenarios. For example, imagine evaluating the Bushwacka in isolation. Clearly it would do terribly, since it has synergies when paired with certain other weapon's in sniper's kit that you wouldn't be testing as part of it. Synergies also exist in every class's kit, though they are often more subtle. For example, scout has a pistol to cover longer ranges and a scattergun for closer ranges. He would be a weaker class if he just had two close range or two long range weapons, since he would lose versatility.

@glazguy112

3 жыл бұрын

@@Magitrek Yes I see your point and omg you have written a full essay but the point of the comparison of these two weapons was to see which weapon was better in a situation which you only are using that weapon also if I may state in another video he had stated that he wanted to prove that he uses stickies 70% and pipes 30% of the time and he proved this to himself meaning he used his stickies as a primary and yes used pipes but more as a secondary since majority of the time he was just using the SBL.

You satan you triggered my flashbacks with that equation, so many hours doing that shit for every god damn experiment summary in my university physics class. You probably wonder what was I studying? IT, yeah that doesn't make sense but so does the whole polish educational system.

I can't decide which one to use, I have a festivised pink elephant sbl bit and professional Killstreak qbl

I saw that little slide in at 6:26, toofty

@hiru88888

5 жыл бұрын

gae

Doesn't the damage for stickies get affected by the amount of charge? Because if so, one of the reasons for the QBL dealing more damage might be the fact that it charges faster. Also, pills are faster to hit people with then stickies and just deal more damage in general. Hope this helps explain some of your findings a bit better.

the stat exam was last week and when i saw the z score calculation i died inside

6:28 Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well

Do you have a list of the data that you collected? (At least the DPS per game). A simple t-test on the difference between the DPS of STK and QKY launchers would be a fun mathematical exercise.

@Toofty

5 жыл бұрын

I do indeed, feel free to DM me on Twitter or Discord and I'd be happy to send it over :)

In my opinion, the QBL is a fantastic secondary weapon when used as a secondary weapon. It's great for follow ups from grenades.

I think it would have helped to do a chart for mid range as well, as that range is where stock stickies are designed to be strong

I don't know if anyone noted it, but on the stickybomb trap side, the quickiebomb launcher's charging damage applies there too, meaning with patience, each fully charged individual quickie will do more damage than a sticky of the same variety. This would technically mean that the quickies are more effective traps statwise, but take much longer to place all 8 quickies, but it also means you can do pretty effective 2 quickie traps as well.

If you gonna continue this wonderful test, you might need to try to do this with bots(not Catbots ofc) since another variable you can't control is your teammates, and how well/poor they're doing can affect you.

Comunity, : Sapper Me : Red Tape Recorder

After Seeing This My Favorite Out Of Context Quote Is Now "The quicky or the sticky?"

Also another way to improve your test to remove errors is. Do x(say 30) amount of games with one weapon and then take a rest, and after a short rest do 30 games with another weapon. That way you can warm up with both weapons seperatly

Legit though the QBL looks very very nice, those wooden handles look really nice

Pre boot nerf, i use to run boot, quickie and the battleaxe (cant recall the name, high damage speed reduction) and i would wreck shop, no other grenade would be as effective. It feels like your doing less because the reload is more often, but the speed and ease of use lets your burst people down faster then the stock.

Something to be noted is that in casual, there are usually more people to hit and fall back to. That way, you don’t have to worry about completely exhausting your ammo that much, making the quickiebomb launcher very strong in dn scenarios. In competitive however, you often have to rapidly switch from pipes to stickies, and area denial/traps are very important in comp, making the stock stickybomb launcher a bit stronger. Pushes are more organized and scouts aren’t always in your face as much in competitive because of the combo, making SBL a bit better there