It's like playing a hero shooter where your ultimate does nothing.

@Nezerac_

3 жыл бұрын

So overwatch

@commenter_HIMIK-MAN

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nezerac_ overwatch bad

@drivanradosivic1357

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nezerac_ yes it is, I have no idea why people made such a fuss about it.

@laurawishart5225

3 жыл бұрын

@@commenter_HIMIK-MAN overwatch good

@Muffinmurdurer

3 жыл бұрын

Overwatch is a solid game that I've been enjoying a lot even though TF2 is my favourite game of all time. There's no need to fight over 2 very different yet still solid games.

$5 says that gasoline soaked enemies do count as wet enemies but TF2's spaghetti code prevents it from happening.

@bennnymiddleton40

3 жыл бұрын

Wet don’t wet enemies take less fire damage

@benshcarrot4435

3 жыл бұрын

@@bennnymiddleton40 what

@adriannaranjo4397

3 жыл бұрын

@@skiplet87 That's honestly the most likely reason why

@diegodankquixote-wry3242

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong. In the jungle inferno pre-release patch notes for weapons it said they intentionally made it to not combo with the neon Annihilater.

@jerry_2091

3 жыл бұрын

@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 wow

Rename the Gas Passer to "Kerosene Canteen". Then, make it so that when you throw it on the ground, you can light it on fire with your flame thrower to create an area denial burning floor that lasts 8 seconds and deals a small amount of fire damage per tick. Would make for a great defense alternative to using flares.

@elecman748

2 жыл бұрын

So, the tfc napalm grenade? Tbh i wished that it were like that, but volvo really hates pyro, and it given him a cantern of diesel

@sonairys929

2 жыл бұрын

Then make it flammable on its own and bam! You invented a molotov. Really, give pyro a molotov, it'll be fun.

@Dr_Dan_

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonairys929 they removed grenades to avoid spam, liberally (i will leave it like that lmao) every class was a demoman

@cristinagomez3283

Жыл бұрын

Idea: make the "kerosene canteen's" passive charge only 10 seconds. Also rename it again to "kerosene kanteen"

@Sparkz1607

Жыл бұрын

How about a LARGE amount of fire damage per tick, to force enemies to walk around it or die? But the damage rate doesn't apply immediately; it functions like Spitter goo from L4D2. The damage rate starts low but accelerates the longer the burning floor remains in existence. Does 10HP per second at the start, and ramps up over 2 seconds to deal 200HP per second. Enemies have a chance to get out of the way right when it forms, and if they *dare* to walk into it during the back 3/4ths of its life, they are pretty much insta-dead

“It’s great for spychecking” So is literally every weapon he has which can deal afterburn.

@syweb2

3 жыл бұрын

I think he meant specifically in combination with the Huo-Long Heater, since you don't make a cone of burning death with your M1.

@supremecalamitas342

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't expect to see you here of all places

@asj3419

2 жыл бұрын

I have arrived here a year late to tell you about the sharpened volcano fragment.

@alex_zetsu

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say _every_ weapon that causes afterburn is good for spy checking. The Dragon's fury isn't really any better at spychecking than the shotgun.

@khalifrhodes9503

2 жыл бұрын

you know a pyro weapon is bad when you have to say "its good for spys"

I get the feeling you like the scorched shot

@TangentRecard

3 жыл бұрын

They are a sniper main. That’s like a trolldier loving mini sentries.

@lewecusgame7598

3 жыл бұрын

No one likes that weapon. Even people who use it secretly hate themselves for using it. Pyro mains who don’t use it hate those who do for giving them a bad name. Even I, as a heavy main, the class that’s probably least impacted by it, hate it.

@atm2959

3 жыл бұрын

@@lewecusgame7598 oh no, I secretly hate myself. Oh well, time to continue torturing some snipers

@Monah52

3 жыл бұрын

@@lewecusgame7598 I hope as a heavy main, you hate Natascha.

@TangentRecard

3 жыл бұрын

But as a Sniper Main, it is the MOST annoying. Plops you in the air, sets you on fire twice, with zero to no effort. Worst case scenario you have to straight up leave your perch purely so you don’t get spammed out.

1:36 is no one gonna talk about how that sniper saved him by bodyshotting him, losing his momentum, making the soldier miss his prediction rocket?

@Niiue

3 жыл бұрын

literal 4d chess, move very obviously that you get shot, but not so predictably that they can get an easy headshot. thus preventing inevitable death from the rocket. more likely just an accident

@purpledefaultpfp6233

3 жыл бұрын

@@Niiue shhh

@BananaHoovyJ.Rabbit

2 жыл бұрын

GET DOWN MR. PRESIDENT!

@JaggedBird

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing

Jerma's legacy in the TF2 scene continues to grace us to this day.

@eh2587

3 жыл бұрын

Who's jerma

@helpfulgamer1274

3 жыл бұрын

@@eh2587 when the impostor is sus.

@Luigicat11

3 жыл бұрын

@@eh2587 Jerma bitch.

@majickman

3 жыл бұрын

@@eh2587 competitive among us player

@screamsinrussian5773

3 жыл бұрын

@@eh2587 jerma nuts

The gas passers downsides imply that the effect is too powerful to constantly have available. Which means that they should be given to the other throwables and taken off this weapon. Being on fire just isn’t a big deal in this game.

@miguelmateus5936

2 жыл бұрын

Confirmed if you hear the voice lines where the mercs are like "Oh im on fire"

@FancyMcSchmancy

2 жыл бұрын

“I appear to have burst into flames.”

@MochicoArtemis

Жыл бұрын

unless you're a light class

@Small_child_punter

Жыл бұрын

@@MochicoArtemis even then the gas passer doesn’t do a good job at making it a problem. You have several seconds to put yourself out.

@MochicoArtemis

Жыл бұрын

@@Small_child_punter the only reasons that I see the Gas Passer being used is against another Pyro or just using it as a joke

Use the gas passer on the Mann vs Machine and here u go highest dmg.

@YansenQT

3 жыл бұрын

its okay-ish for taking out uber meds, useless against the giants themselves, extremely useless against giant scouts better play demo if you wanna take out giants and getting 300k dmg at the end of a mission even sniper's explosive headshot is a better option

@chamitoempire1672

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone knows that bro

@zeeb2190

3 жыл бұрын

I wish the thing gave explosions on hit

@juniortararo9188

3 жыл бұрын

I remembered the weapon being so powerful on release. Where you could throw it and it would instantly recharge.

@chamitoempire1672

3 жыл бұрын

@@zeeb2190 or maybe turn it into a primary to combo with your shotgun

JUST LET IT COMBO WITH THE NEON ANIHALTOR VOLVO!

@hazard1427

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't work, look at 5:30 and 8:53

@dopey473

3 жыл бұрын

@@hazard1427 THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

@dopey473

3 жыл бұрын

@Cha cha real smooth eh it's an old joke about calling Valve Volvo yes like the Swedish car company who makes some of the coolest and safest boxes ever

@benismann

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no Land shark

@mackymacky286

3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit if they just changed that, it would actually be overpowered and banned in competitive. Because it’s basically jarate bushwaka stuff that point. Should they do it? Yes please it would be so fun, but also very very broken.

I’d rather just have a Molotov cocktail weapon that breaks on impact, setting a patch of ground on fire for like 10 seconds. Standing in the fire would effectively be like taking damage from a stock flamethrower, and players who leave the fire suffer stock afterburn. Being directly hit with the bottle would cause the target player to suffer minicrit damage from standing in the flames and from the afterburn. Holding the primary fire button would allow the pyro to charge up the range of his throw (kinda like the sticky launcher, but with less min and max distance).

@alvr3461

2 жыл бұрын

How about additional bleed debuff on direct hit from molotov cocktail?

@h3069

Жыл бұрын

that'd be awful. imagine the spam on cart or spawn

@vivelespatat2670

Жыл бұрын

@@h3069 By making it share the same charge mechanic as the Gas Passer, it wouldn't be able to be spammed, you'll have to think before acting

@cloudynguyen6527

Жыл бұрын

Awper Sniper and molotov Pyro Time to rush B >:3c

Nobody talking about that one guy who did a jungle inferno tier list and made the gas passer S TIER because it “gave pyro area control”

@foxstorm2920

Жыл бұрын

lol

@cyrus6461

9 ай бұрын

Mufukn Pyro IS area control lol

@krystofmichajlovfrancisko8224

8 ай бұрын

Who

@Adachi69420

3 ай бұрын

finally pyro area control i was really needing that

I think this weapon should be reworked in this way: The oil passer -Charges in 30s -Requires 300 dmg to fully charge up -When thrown, an oil cloud will appear covering anyone that touches it in oil. -Enemies coated in oil receive 80 afterburn damage that cannot be cancelled with healing effects. -On rainy maps, anyone covered in oil gets the ability to fly until the duration expires.

@leomassafm160

3 жыл бұрын

1. Cover yourself in oil

@mrdeadflower

3 жыл бұрын

Unexpected unfunny moment

@mrdeadflower

3 жыл бұрын

@Maximillian Collinghan yes

@TrainerGoldAlt

2 жыл бұрын

The last one was a cool throwback

@guncatto2625

2 жыл бұрын

@@leomassafm160 2. Wait for it to rain

How dare you talk about the fart canister in a bad way

@dopey473

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

@cotulprital0241

3 жыл бұрын

never looked at it like that, and now i'll never be able to look at it without thinking about the fart canister

@stiky5972

3 жыл бұрын

@@cotulprital0241 it's literally called "GAS PASSER"

@cotulprital0241

3 жыл бұрын

wait what? oh ooooohhhh... sorry, i'm retarded sometimes

@stiky5972

3 жыл бұрын

@@cotulprital0241 nah it's ok, it took me a few days too

Tbh the term "worst weapon in TF2" gets thrown around a lot for certain weapons but if I honestly had to pick one I'd say it's this. The activation time, the effect, the lack of synergy, the abundance of other secondaries that can do its job (while not the exact same way) better, etc. While you've talked about a lot of weapons that are bad, this is the only one where I think there's 0 reason to bring this weapon into any situation in normal TF2.

@mrdeadmemes

11 ай бұрын

fire axe is the only weapon where there's literally 0 reason to bring it gas passer you could at least theorize a one in a billion scenario it would be the best option. like. the enemy team is 12 pyros and they're all coming through the same chokepoint or something like that

@januszpolak254

10 ай бұрын

​@@mrdeadmemesAlso Gas Passer is still overpowered in MVM. Hard to call it the worst if its the best at something.

@FallenCitys

9 ай бұрын

@@januszpolak254in normal tf2

In MVM: S tier In Regular Match: D tier, outclassed by every other secondary weapon

@flying_gorilla8069

3 жыл бұрын

That applies to a lot of weapons in MVM

@ryanymous2138

2 жыл бұрын

I think the Gas Passer is more of an F or even a Zee tier weapon.

@HappyBeezerStudios

Жыл бұрын

In MvM: So good you get kicked and blacklisted for using it.

@ivoryas1696

Жыл бұрын

Falconizer 64 D? I was thinking F, tbh.

@N12015

6 ай бұрын

Kinda the worst scenario for the weapon. It's way too good in PvE making the mode trivial, way too bad in PvP because it's easy to counter for humans.

FUCK I FORGOT THE CHALKBOARD LOGO. Just when I thought I could make an episode without some glaring visual problem.

@jpthepsycho1467

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh you never answered my question on whos your favorite woman bro

@sheepyspeep1905

3 жыл бұрын

its fine, i find your love your videos even if they have "glaring" issues

@NekoAlosama

3 жыл бұрын

@@JarateDrinker69 He's going to make a video on why he won't make that series.

@JarateDrinker69

3 жыл бұрын

@@NekoAlosama Oh

@CrazyBoris06

3 жыл бұрын

dont worry, but remember the ass passer is a brain dead god tier meta item in mann v machine. But, most of the time you get kicked for using it

The game's source code references being able to create gas pools on the ground, along with being able to light them. Needless to say, there was a missed opportunity to make a good weapon.

Fix idea: -300 damage charge -30 second charge -counts players as “wet” -when thrown, the gas will linger on the ground for a while -when the gas interacts, with anything affected by afterburn/causes afterburn(flamethrower, burning players) it will explode, causing lots of damage and afterburn Like in Mann vs. Machine but less op

@Lucifer_Nihilum

Жыл бұрын

Instead of the last one how about they take mini crits from all sources of Fire damage including afterburn. And they cannot be put out by anything except the resupply cabinet and being submerged.

@grunchchristmas

Жыл бұрын

@@Lucifer_Nihilum yeah

@OGuiBlindao

Жыл бұрын

Make the explosion deal 50-100 damage and rename the mvm upgrade to "explosion master", which deals the normal mvm 350 explosion dmg

@mariustan9275

Жыл бұрын

​@@OGuiBlindao Nah remove that uphrade from MvM and give it slow

"The scorch shit." Sounds like the morning after Taco Tuesday.

@30thCenturyFish

Жыл бұрын

lmao

Apparently by utter coincidence I made my Gas Passer video at the same time Zesty Jesus was working on his own. He now thinks he has to scrap his entire video which I honestly think is a mistake because he brings a level of production quality and humor that is very difficult to come by in TF2 videos or just KZread in general, especially for someone with what is a rather modest subscriber count in the grand scheme of things. Even if our scripts would have been similar, I know his video would end up being a much different experience to watch and he's honestly being generous when he's saying that my videos take a 10th of the effort his probably do. In case he decides to not bother uploading it, I'd at least like to direct some traffic his way by addressing the many, many commenters who had issue with my comments on the Scorch Shot. His video on that is pretty much the best you're going to find on it, so go ahead and watch it if you have any questions as to why I think it's unbalanced. I hope there's no hard feelings. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKp2xrCQes_Am6Q.html EDIT: He made it. It's really good. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoqew9Kdn7eZeJs.html

@Zepdos

3 жыл бұрын

Great minds think alike, I guess

@RandomRyan

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@GabrielAidley

3 жыл бұрын

Rip the original pinned comment

@myr7922

3 жыл бұрын

he thinks he has to scrap it because you finished a video on the same weapon? do you have claim on weapon videos? this seems like something silly to worry about imo

@arbiter771

3 жыл бұрын

@@myr7922Its because Zesty has released videos in the past, after other bigger tf2bers than him have made similiar or identical concepts, and people call him out for copying and being lazy when he's a stickler for how much effort and originality goes into the project. It's like making a presentation in a classroom. If a group goes before you and they did the exact same thing you did, you wouldn't want to immediately follow up with the same thing because the average person would be uninterested because they just listened about it.

If the enemy team has 200 pyros, you CAN legally use it.

@mosshunter4120

3 жыл бұрын

They will just extinguish each other

@alleosussquirt8041

3 жыл бұрын

@@mosshunter4120 Bold of you to assume they're smart enough to do that. It's a 50/50.

@melissabarnhart7949

3 жыл бұрын

yeah like that's ever going to happen

@somo4227

3 жыл бұрын

@@melissabarnhart7949 I happend when the inferno update droped

@Marxsychosis

3 жыл бұрын

@@melissabarnhart7949 What a load of-

Just thought of a meme strategy. Gas Passer and Sun on a stick then just rush people

@thunderspark1536

2 жыл бұрын

For the meme, that would be kinda funny.

@ryanhernandez8324

Жыл бұрын

Someone call Octo and crew

@ivoryas1696

Жыл бұрын

Crazy_Critter1 Honestly, wracked my brain for flame-advantedged weapons upon hearing about this thing and thought we'd get a video similar to "The Flava-Flav Scout" *_somewhere_* by now... Guess they're just not willing to yet.

Step 1: Cover the enemy in oil

@randomtexanguy9563

2 жыл бұрын

Step 2: Oil is lighter than water. When enemy is covered in oil, wait for it to rain.

@kobold7964

2 жыл бұрын

@@randomtexanguy9563 what happens next?

@IAteMySink

2 жыл бұрын

@@kobold7964 Enemy floats up because oil is lighter than water.

@adrianlombardo83

2 жыл бұрын

Then they die of fall damage!

@thunderspark1536

2 жыл бұрын

@@adrianlombardo83 Then they respawn and kill you.

The "And let me festivise it", has got to be some sort of running joke, or an actual criteria for a bad weapon video at least i think so

@synthwavecat96

3 жыл бұрын

Festive only looks good on stock. End of story.

@drivanradosivic1357

3 жыл бұрын

@LOAN NGUYEN no thanks. I would rather have festive skins as well as a Civilian grade Festive Amby look(dark metal with wood grips) for my classes then wrapping lights around them.

@minithegameguy4674

3 жыл бұрын

@@synthwavecat96 jarate.

@idress8340

3 жыл бұрын

@@synthwavecat96 What about the crusaders crossbow. It shoots candy canes

@eh2587

3 жыл бұрын

I mean a festivised backburner look really good

If only this thing was able to refill at the respawn cabinet

@wagglewiggle

2 жыл бұрын

It'd still suck

Honestly that intro scene just made me question how much money those jocks would have wasted on gas. Even if the didn’t just delete themselves, they certainly deleted their bank accounts.

@ivoryas1696

Жыл бұрын

lh0000 Huh. I would have thought that even _that_ much gas wouldn't have been too much for someone like them to handle. Even when gas get to the equivalent price of milk per gallon, it's considered a little pricey, so I thought it was wasteful, but not ruinous when gas prices are normal.

@ImprisionArchieves

11 ай бұрын

Probably not as much as you would think. Even with inflation accounted, gas prices used to be significantly cheaper across the U.S than they are now. This movie most likely takes place at or just after the gasoline golden period.

3:00 “pyro lives and dies by his secondary, more than any class with the exception of maybe medic” me : cries in stickybomb launcher

@johnnodwarf1201

2 жыл бұрын

Grenade enthusiast

@dava8058

2 жыл бұрын

Grenade enthusiast

@FancyMcSchmancy

2 жыл бұрын

Shield Enjoyer

@Eye_Of_Odin978

Жыл бұрын

You're not using your Grenade Launcher? Yikes

@ivoryas1696

Жыл бұрын

Remii Santana Yeah, I'm not as exprienced with this game as he or most big TFTubers are, so I'm not going say he's wrong, but that _immediately_ struck me as off upon hearing it, of at least something that I hadn't thought about.

"aand make people disconect with the scorch shit" i mean, you are not wrong

@Ryusuta

3 жыл бұрын

If that's all it takes to make someone ragequit, I'm surprised they play at all.

@facemcshooty6602

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ryusuta have you ever had to fight agains the people who use this thing? its the most unfair weapon in the game

@alexm.a.d892

3 жыл бұрын

@@facemcshooty6602 Not really

@facemcshooty6602

3 жыл бұрын

@HIsForHacks yeah, both are pretty fucking brain dead. also, the scorch shot can deal up to 126 damage with ONE shot

@benismann

3 жыл бұрын

@HIsForHacks nah, diamond back is more like unfair weapon, considering ambassadors nerf

MvM be like: haha, you underestimate my power

@melissabarnhart7949

3 жыл бұрын

@@meatloaf9716 throwing a bunch of Heavy's in MVM then you will see that it is overpowered

@melissabarnhart7949

3 жыл бұрын

Your alive how you got blown the hell away from the dang Top Hat spaceship

@melissabarnhart7949

3 жыл бұрын

@@meatloaf9716 oh you're making a joke my b

@Megadeth7811

3 жыл бұрын

@@meatloaf9716 I'll use whatever the hell I want in MvM.

@thehunter7749

3 жыл бұрын

I got kicked out of a ToD for using gas (in a wave with no tanks btw) being told "you'll contribute nothing to the team and only watch the meter" (which is a fair play, but it's not like I dont have a primary to go with it as well as the damage basically nullifying my 'uselessness')

The Gas Passer doesn't even make enemies 'wet' so I can't meme with it and the Neon Annihilator 0/10

@ivoryas1696

Жыл бұрын

Elyk Tsorb I feel like giving melee crits to a decently tanky ambush class that moves faster than sniper, while funny, _might_ break a few things... although with the recharged time, it's not broken.

Imagine getting left out even in the one part where you work. *Manmelter crying in a corner*

They missed the opportunity to call it the “Grease Trap”

@samtheballoon1522

3 жыл бұрын

I had an ideas to fix it -Takes 500 damage to charge -Or 30 seconds to charge -The cloud lingers for 10 seconds -It applies a +25% damage vulnerability to gassed targets -makes players wet

@vivelespatat2670

3 жыл бұрын

@@samtheballoon1522 The Jarate but on steroids.

@samtheballoon1522

3 жыл бұрын

@@vivelespatat2670 Yes

@taramaruiz23

3 жыл бұрын

It is a fart joke along with the jet pack tount

@Breakaway-ic5gj

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivelespatat2670 Takes 500 damage to charge

I kinda forgot how bad it is normally. My perception of the thing's been clouded by HiGPS's balance mod where it combos with the neon and explodes for some damage on igniting.

@Badface678

3 жыл бұрын

Can confirm. Weapon is actually decent in HiGPS’ balance mod servers... same as many other weapons you’ve previously discussed 👀

@squeaks5677

3 жыл бұрын

I would be inclined to play on those servers if most of the other changes weren’t so questionable.

@loreknight5612

3 жыл бұрын

Dunno why no ones mentioned how cTF2w does both the explosion and neon, too

@pauldeddens5349

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh, if it acted like a grenade and exploded that shit would be SO GOOD. Especially since it would pretty much be the only explosive in the game that is stationary, and cannot be disarmed or reflected. the denial potential would be huge. And it would make the _agonizing 1 minute timer_ worth it for balancing purposes.

Hey, you know the jarate? the weapon the sniper STARTS with the full meter? That deals extra damage on hit? like, more then the flames which require other teammates to be effective? Yeah, the jarate also charges faster. So, this thing isn't the most balanced.

Honestly I would've just made it a gas canister you can set down that explodes when exposed to fire damage

@ivoryas1696

Жыл бұрын

Zenyatta The Peaceful Username _doesn't_ check out, but I honestly like this idea more than many.

All Valve really need to do to make this weapon good is slap the power up from MvM on it, tweak it slightly and you have a viable Pyro secondary

@TV-nu9mp

3 жыл бұрын

Oh you're here

@flashter6101

3 жыл бұрын

Hello again

@cyphertheunrivaled

3 жыл бұрын

@@thepumpkindoctor nobody wants to watch your low quality videos, piss off

@bounter_

3 жыл бұрын

In MvM lots of non-scorch shot secondaries are viable, scorch-shot and detonator are really good. Even basic flare gun is nice.

@emilianozamora399

3 жыл бұрын

@@thepumpkindoctor quit advertising your channel spammer

gas passer in normal play: shit gas passer in mvm: cheese weapon, my friends actually ask me to *not* use it in mvm because it makes the waves too easy

@TKsh1

3 жыл бұрын

MvM: "don't use this broken weapon, it's no fun my dude" Casual: *everyone uses the most cancerous loadouts*

@usernametaken017

3 жыл бұрын

objective: grind if you beat it more then once, you can do it again, so grinding in da rules is pointless

@tylazermk8271

3 жыл бұрын

@@TKsh1 *flash backs to gunslinger wrangled loadouts* I'm an engie main btw

@ninjaassassin27

3 жыл бұрын

@@TKsh1 MvM has tighter team comps, the exact same strategies every time, and plenty of toes to step on. There's a reason that some things are universally and informally banned in skilled lobbies.

@bardfall9555

3 жыл бұрын

If OP weapon somt used whatstge point of jts existence You should just say that sniper Shouldnt buy the head shot explosion upgrade and engineer Shouldnt buy dispernser range...

This video needs to be renamed "Good weapon academy: scorch shot"

@lukejensen9933

8 ай бұрын

If he did make that video it would be an hour straight of him complaining about how unbalanced it is lol

the gas passer should have been a weapon for heavy. it would allow him to finally have access to another damage type, and imagine it with the huo-long heater

Gass passer in casual and competitive:I am weak... Gass passer in MvM:UNLIMITED POWER!!!

Basically it’s use is MvM usage to cover for lack of a Demoman, as long as you have Explosive Passers. And it’s still amazing since the damage the explosion does recharges it almost instantly, so it shreds Medic, Scout, and Solder hordes

@zebug4762

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you haven't played since Valve updated the weapon years ago, or paid attention to the video. He doesn't mention it specifically, but you can see it in the gameplay. It was nerfed in MvM and no longer recharges from its own explosion damage, but as the video notes, it still does extremely well.

@lilsunny7399

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah now its not just a brainless exlposion weapon, you have to actively recharge it quickly if you want to have it up for the next wave of medics since they like to spawn one after another. Backburner is good but i prefer the stock flamethrower tbh since it gives you the freedom to airblast the meds away and let your team take out the giant if your gas isnt up and is a good backup when your team is stupid and doesn't know how to bodyblock super scouts

@TheOne496

3 жыл бұрын

mmm scottish resistance giant and horde killer......

@kimgkomg

3 жыл бұрын

Personally I prefer demoman as a solution to lack of demoman

@lilsunny7399

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on mission. Gear Grinder? oh hell yes demo or sniper is far better. but i find Pyro works extremely well on twocities.

That intro was gold, at least Zoolander didnt loose his friends.

That intro is the most accurate description of a weapon I've ever seen you make. Was funny too.

I wasted a lot on a professional ks backscatter, hopefully it gets featured soon

@szelski.

3 жыл бұрын

its the backburner but for the quick dude

@thestoopidiot870

3 жыл бұрын

@@szelski. except the backburner isn't as terrible.

@c9k984

3 жыл бұрын

@Source Dasher They're gonna raise in price when fish makes a video on the backscatter

@izrrr4785

3 жыл бұрын

@Source Dasher 2.50 wasted

@emilianozamora399

3 жыл бұрын

@@izrrr4785 bruh that's less than the price of a fucking water at a theme park tf you mean that you wasted a lot

Can we get a Bison episode next? Sorry for repeating myself,but something needs to be done with that weapon.

@a.k8185

3 жыл бұрын

That weapons hitboxes with stairs is really bad.

@Ryusuta

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is that when they reverted the weapon, they forgot to revert the hitbox on it as well. It used to be much, much bigger.

@somebaby1518

3 жыл бұрын

It's good for building buff with the backpacks for solider.

@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853

3 жыл бұрын

@@somebaby1518 I hope you're trolling

@Ryusuta

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853 He might be confusing it with the Cow Mangler. Although real talk - if it were possible to pair the Bison with the Buff Banner and play some laser tag, I'd totally do it. XD

4:50 It's interesting to see how much more impactful pyro's afterburn used to be, a full 60 damage way back then, so easily applied, was dangerous when there were so few ways to counter it. Few healthpacks, only dispensers and medics could help you

I love the scorch shot, phlog and back scratcher. Nonono, not all on one loadout, I'm not a monster.

This thing just doesn't make any sense.. why ever use it over ANY of the other flare guns?

@benismann

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, u kinda already have 2 splash flare guns.... Why even bother?

Imagine if gas passer permanently marked your enemies with gas Or it's afterburn was permanent unless you find a medic/health kit/sandvich/dispenser

@benshcarrot4435

3 жыл бұрын

Nah that would be way too unfun to fight against

@he3004

3 жыл бұрын

@@benshcarrot4435 just to piss off people that find pyro overpowered and complain about wm1

@skyethemin4922

3 жыл бұрын

@@he3004 to be fair just use the scorch shot aganist those people, its reeeeally fun to watch em rage.

@CHILLIN2540

3 жыл бұрын

Considering the relatively low damage from afterburn and frequency of health kits on 90% of maps, infinite afterburn might not even be that overpowered

@anafu-sankanashi8933

2 жыл бұрын

If say the gas should give them a 30% fire and bullet vulnerability. That pairs well with the defensive asthetic it's going for and helps out other pyros and heavies.

Can we just appreciate how perfectly synchronized the "and it sucks" is with the clip?

I fucking hate how Pyro finally got a weapon that makes them not shit in MVM, and MVM try-hards just screech and instantly ban it because it might shake up their 1 medic, 2 engies, 3 heavy meta.

Aight aight, backscatter next surely

@saltytea7367

3 жыл бұрын

Wdym I always use the backscatter I even have a loadouts with it so I can maximise my backscattering

@draforgg5594

3 жыл бұрын

He said its most likely Pomson next.

@s.n.a.r.k.5146

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest i think it's a pretty decent weapon

@saltytea7367

3 жыл бұрын

Plus you can spawn camp with it same as spy(if you really want to be that guy)

@draforgg5594

3 жыл бұрын

Why spawncamp like that when you have the ultimate spawncamper?

I can't imagine a better intro for this weapon.

@NFGUN1T

3 жыл бұрын

True.

I remember using this and a Heavy on my team noticed, switched to the Huo Long Heater, and stuck around me. Whenever that Gas Passer hit a big group, they were pretty much dead. The synergy with those weapons is honestly really good, and makes me wish there were more classes that had weapons that go well with other classes...

An idea I had for the Gas Passer was to make it a duel-wielding weapon. The can only really needs one hand to hold and throw, so in the other hand there could be a pistol or a weaker shotgun. This allows Pyro to actually follow up on the gas. Alternatively you could maybe make it its own kind of afterburn that stacks with the regular one, encouraging Pyros to get their flamethrowers on it.

me and the boys uploading at 3 in the morning

@auri8810

3 жыл бұрын

Time zones exist

@heyych1928

3 жыл бұрын

@@auri8810 you get the premise of the comment 🥲

>doesnt use the scorch shot because its "overpower' >plays sniper

@lisathefoolish

3 жыл бұрын

At least with sniper you don't just spam your weapon in a choke and hit everyone with a 8 second long afterburn and deal 128 dmg for some god forsaken reason if you hit an light class I do agree with sniper getting a nerf tho because lets be honest, how many times have you actually decided to peek on upward ?

@cracinlac923

3 жыл бұрын

All they have to do is re balance sniper and bots wouldnt be a problem which is fucking hilarious

@ViIvaNunner

3 жыл бұрын

@@lisathefoolish i agree the scorch shot is op and needs a nerf, even though i use it. sniper though, just shuts down entire areas of the map if theyre good enough. at least with spy they have to get "behind' you and be close, but sniper is just spy but without the danger of being found out. the scorch shots bouncy flare is kinda dumb tho

@TwilightFlower9

3 жыл бұрын

@@cracinlac923 Heavybots are almost as bad as sniperbots.

@Breakaway-ic5gj

2 жыл бұрын

@@cracinlac923 Rebalancing and making said class completely useless aren't the same thing

Dammit i was so confused about this weapon ! Thank you for this episode

Seeing how much the scorch annoys you brings me great joy. Love peppering people with that thing, sometimes I even get free kills!

In a world of youtube meme cringe, your edits are highly appreciated. For real. Top tier references. Keep it up, brother.

Bad weapon academy: The Pomson 6000.

@BrochachoTheBro

3 жыл бұрын

this

@Underworlder5

3 жыл бұрын

wish granted

keep up the good work, your videos are pretty nice.

I love the mini crit idea

"pyro lives and dies for his secondary" laughs in demo

@Mantafirefly

3 жыл бұрын

Demoman doesn't have any secondary weapons though.

@adenosine2electricboogaloo647

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mantafirefly are you serious

@Mantafirefly

3 жыл бұрын

@@adenosine2electricboogaloo647 Yes, Demoman has a primary weapon, another primary weapon, and a melee weapon.

@adenosine2electricboogaloo647

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mantafirefly oh, you're just unfunny.

@Mantafirefly

3 жыл бұрын

@@adenosine2electricboogaloo647 Your unwanted opinion has been duly noted.

"the problem with this execution is the everything" top kek

You nutty mate? This weapon is great!

Scorch shot is very good on mvm as well, on standard its useful on a choky map, where you will find demoman sticky spammers. That applies to the Gas Passer as well.

My rework idea for gas passer: Stats: +coat enemies in gas +kill enemies to reduce charge a by 15% that are coated in gas +cant put out the fire but reduces the afterburn damage and duration by 25% when extinguished +afterburn lasts for 25 seconds -150% Longer recharge rate

@lisathefoolish

3 жыл бұрын

25 seconds is kinda overkill

@boihand

3 жыл бұрын

Changed the stats a little bit

There is ONE use in pubs for the gas passer. Heavy pocket hives. The afterburn reduces the healing of the heavy, and this afterburn makes the medics panik and run away, so it is actually worth to troll the trollers.

@mrking5437

3 жыл бұрын

just use the scorch shot then

@trollman_2345

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrking5437 yeh, but then you have to actually fight the heavy. With the gasser, you throw it and let your team deal with it while you chase that one fucking spy that is killing your engi friend.

FSOAS best way to balance every weapon ever: festivize it.

Buff? Simple. Make it full once the round starts, and you can replenish it with a resupply closet or waiting for the same time as the Milk and the Jarate.

Sounds like someone got hit with the Scorch Shot one time too many.

@arbitrary_thoughts

3 жыл бұрын

@DamnMerasmus anything but a direct hit is nearly pointless when trying to kill an enemy.

@OneGrumpyCat

3 жыл бұрын

@DamnMerasmus He literally says in the video how afterburn is underpowered.

Sniper: *instant kills medic Me as pyro: *scortch shot Sniper: "Broken weapon." Me: "This is a side grade to the Detonator. You have an instant kill gun, not me." Sniper: "Broken weapon no skill" Me: *scortch shot again

@necro6823

3 жыл бұрын

nerf pyro i hate his get critz for free style :)

@rcman1023

3 жыл бұрын

@@necro6823 Cry harder

@necro6823

3 жыл бұрын

@@rcman1023 YOUR GONNA MAKE ME CRY DO YOU WANT ME TO CRY

@necro6823

3 жыл бұрын

@@rcman1023 I'll cry it'll be a power move on you

@necro6823

3 жыл бұрын

@@rcman1023 you are week

Nice edited Zoolander clip. Never fully watched it, tho

I love how the guy in the beginning is running at the other guy lighting the cigarette like he's gonna dolphin dive over the fire, put the cigarette out, then put the other fire out and save those guys like a Hero

@ivoryas1696

Жыл бұрын

betaAfro It'd behoove you not to doubt him...

My idea for the gas passer, it makes a cloud of gas that is invisible to the enemies until it is ignited by the pyro who put it down, at which point it activates for 10 seconds as it does now. Just let it play into the pyro as an ambush class

@Kossumies6

3 жыл бұрын

No visual / audio clue = annoying design = sorry but no, it would suck to fight against due to no counterplay

@btf_flotsam478

3 жыл бұрын

I think it should be visible to the enemies, and maybe deal damage. The concept, however, is pretty good.

Is it that difficult to play around the Scorch Shot considering that two Engineers can bring any Casual game to a halt with minimal coordination?

@auri8810

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but its total shit cuz you basically dont have to aim it like you do with normal flare gun and you can stun lock with it and you cant really do that with the detonator or normal flare gun

@leonardo9259

3 жыл бұрын

@@auri8810 yeah Man because turtling is so fucking hard

@kimgkomg

3 жыл бұрын

@@auri8810 none of that would be a problem if they removed the bouncing flare. The scorch shot does chip damage if you don't take a second minicrit.

@calb6109

3 жыл бұрын

tThe real problem with the scorch shot in my opinion is the speed, if the projectile was slower it would be easier to react to and also take more skill to use.

@thelastmlg2699

3 жыл бұрын

With minim cordination snipers, loch a load demos and spies fuck them up.

I kinda like it. Clears out a crowded payload cart quickly

"Pyro is dependant on his secondary more than any other class in the game" *screams in Demo*

You what?! This is godlike in MvM

@anarullan

3 жыл бұрын

in casual bruh

@MykeGG

3 жыл бұрын

What? Everything is MvM pal.

@travelsizedarchie

3 жыл бұрын

PvB

@anarullan

3 жыл бұрын

@@MykeGG I didn't know back then it was trash in casual

@MykeGG

3 жыл бұрын

@@anarullan lol

The Jet pack fart joke is the best thing about tf2. Amazing.

something I find funny is that this is like one step away from being a overwatch ultimate-type move.

To think that this weapon along with a mostly unnecessary jetpack and restrictive flamethrower were Pyro's "Reward" for winning the Pyro v. Heavy update.

Shitty weapons: Backscatter, equalizer, volcano fragment, cla dah more, buffalo steak or warriors spirit, pomson 6k, overdose, carbine, or dead ringer

@jonebebander6208

3 жыл бұрын

Cla deh more or dead ringer are not bad thoe

@Ryusuta

3 жыл бұрын

The thing about the Carbine is that it has FANTASTIC synergy with the Bushwacka. Activating it essentially gives you a Kritzkrieg with the Bushwacka for awhile. Kinda like an ultra-sustained Jarate. Give it a shot sometime. =)

@auri8810

3 жыл бұрын

Cla deh and dead ringer are good tho

@Eddie-yv1ix

3 жыл бұрын

Agree with all but dead ringer and carbine

@leonardo9259

3 жыл бұрын

The DR, Claid, carabine and Equalizer are not bad weapons

This is specifically bad weapons academy, but I’d suggest looking at the shortstop sometime with it plz

@Nezerac_

3 жыл бұрын

It lets scout do everything he can do at longer range

@drivanradosivic1357

3 жыл бұрын

I think something like plus 20% damage vs debuffed players(mad milk, bleeding, jarate, afterburn). the shove having 15 damage that can be plus 100% while airborne and minicrits are crits and also being a Scout core class ability on mouse 3 that can push you off walls to refresh airjumps.

@invhazion8141

3 жыл бұрын

@@meatloaf9716 did you not get that i said 'but' there. i know it is good, but people never realize it.

That into had me in STITCHES!

Man, you have a real hate for the scorch shot. XD that knockback is actually really good in certain situations, and will actually be a lot mote helpful in mvm if you're on certain maps. I've had rounds of nightmare mode where the giants never even make it passed the drop.

@churrogang4778

3 жыл бұрын

that's the thing, the scorch shit is broken

no wonder why I can never finish that one contract. Oh how I regret picking that specific one

It’s worth mentioning, that in MVM mode, it is extremely overpowered, with the correct upgrades. Thanks soundsmith for allowing me to get knowledge to flex on other people.

@nugget0928

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Gabe Newell.

After watching this video I can determine that Fsoas hates the scorch shot

I could see this working well in only two ways. Fighting with a sun on a stick scout and a long heater heavy

You know what i want? So like, a thing called "Dandy's Duelist" where it's a one shot spy weapon which deals a lot of damage and is a flintlock, but the thing is is it has a loooong ass reload speed, so it's a get outta jail thing. Either that or this thing called a Zion Sappa, which would be an Uzi for scout which deals shit damage normally but sprays really fast and sprays a lot of bullets, so the best way to use it is to use a crit multiplier weapon like Jarate or Mad Milk or fan o war and use it on someone! Perfect weapons for BWA!

@emilianozamora399

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think you comprehend balancing

@sethleoric2598

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilianozamora399 exactly

Off topic, I love the scorch shot, but I think the explosion should only occur when it hits a enemy, and the explosion damage should be nerfed.

@macabweu7682

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a good trade off.

You can distinguish people if you throw a gas on them... It's the most team fortress moment I ever heard

An Idea for a rework of the Gaspasser: Just add an explosion to the Gas that deals about 100 dmg and knockback and clears the gas and replaces it with fales that last for a few secounds, what i mean is, that only the cloud itself explodes not peaple that are doused in Gas. 100 dmg might seem to much but it really isn't when you consider that it builds up pretty slowly and you will have to switch to it and swith back to it to actually deal the damage it seems like a solid sidegrade to pyro other secondaries with the shotguns being able to deal 90+ dmg at close range and the flargun dealing a flat 90 after the enemy is lit on fire. This change would also improve it's area denial to actually matter meanwhile making it so that the pyro actually has to be around to utilise it. The explosion would also knock enemys and you back, making it so you can explosive jump of it making it even cooler. I think it probably should work in a way where lit enemys will not make the gas explode, so that it is not frustating for the enemy your fighting, there would probably also have to be a switchspeed-penalty because it would reduce the potential combo-time significantly. Obviously there also should be damage falloff on the explosion so that if your just at the ery edge of the gas you don't insta-die, furthermore there should be range-based fall-off as well so that you won't just randomly die by another flame source from it if the pyro isn't around and actually has to reinforce the area denial, the knockback should maybe also scale that way to reduce the impact on other people's fights. I think for the fire that is left behind in place of the gas after the explosion, it's fine if it just inflicts afterburn, it doesn't really need to deal additional damage because that's the explosions job and it would probably make it to strong in close quarters like in a corner, the explosion in this sugested state is already pretty strong, it's basicly a recharge-able stickybomb for the pyro so additional damage on top of that would make it to op. Also the Neon-Anihalator should work with the Gas-Effect, it would make both Weapons more usable and form a neat gimmik. It should also obviously not be recharable of dispenser or the payload-cart and mayybe have a slower reharge on spawn-lockers, but that is a problemm with the short-circut and other weapons (on the locker) in general, so that should maybe just be changed complettly, although you could also say that if the locker is to lose to the spawn-exit it's just bad map-design. Also I wrote this after watching the sunonastick video and didn't rewatch this one so sry if I repeat stuff

It's Godtier in MVM tho you gotta admit

@BrochachoTheBro

3 жыл бұрын

@@meatloaf9716 yes

The Scorch Shot isn't the strongest secondary lmfao.

@Ryusuta

3 жыл бұрын

He's a Sniper main. Perspective is kinda lost on him.

@mooncalf_4534

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ryusuta Lol I'll give him that it's the most annoying to play against, and the easiest. But yeah, best is not something the Scorch Shot ever approaches.

@awesomearchon9933

3 жыл бұрын

He says the Scorch Shot ruins the fun for people its used against. As someone who hates Soldiers and Snipers for making the game unfun to play at all, I gladly return the favor.

@mooncalf_4534

3 жыл бұрын

@@awesomearchon9933 Soldier is the most fair and quintessential class lmao

@macabweu7682

3 жыл бұрын

It can easily do more damage then the normal Flaregun. All because the flare can bounce off enemies and explode. Just reduce the explosion damage and it'll no long do that.

It would make sense to have the item function as a sort of long range bomb that can be thrown then shot to cause a fiery explosion. It does still require a teammate to assist you, unless you really are insistent on using the Dragons Fury, but at least it would have a niche

Everybody gangsta till the gasoline puts out the fire

@arbitrary_thoughts

3 жыл бұрын

I dont know why but your comment made me chuckle so thanks