Pomson 6000: 10% uber removed with one shot Any other shotgun: 100% uber removed with 2 shots

@Kilo_Maybe

3 жыл бұрын

Murder=better.

@NKillBruh

3 жыл бұрын

Not with the vita saw

@mysticaltree4875

3 жыл бұрын

@@NKillBruh bruh when did u last saw someone using vita saw

@NKillBruh

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysticaltree4875 its a interesting competitor to the uber-saw, hell some people call it useful

@decriper1097

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysticaltree4875 myself a few wekks ago

How you managed to suffer for so long to get 18 minutes worth of footage of using this thing, I have no idea. It's such a pain in the butt to use - you said it best: it feels like you're playing the game in slow motion. I too would like to see how it fairs with it's Uber/Cloak drain mechanic removed and it's firing/projectile speed raised, but most importantly I would like to see the projectile penetration return. An alt-fire charge-shot sounds interesting, but it feels too similar to the Cow Mangler at that point, so maybe there could be some alternative support mechanic for the right click that is unique to the Engineer's class role. Nice job on the video, and sorry about that random crit.

@chunchunmaru5250

3 жыл бұрын

Oh hi no name youtuber engineer main

@CuteLittleLily

3 жыл бұрын

Yo waddap

@johanloubser8138

3 жыл бұрын

Charge bar that increases fire rate for x seconds on activation, charged by doing damage maybe?

@nuigget8025

3 жыл бұрын

What's the point of The pompson btw?

@bizzlemypickle521

3 жыл бұрын

Nice beard.

When you're outclassed by a gun that isn't even meant for killing.

@HonokiViceandSunset

3 жыл бұрын

The burning you feel... it is *S H A M E*

@Attaxalotl

3 жыл бұрын

For whatever reason, I'm a better shot with the primaries that aren't meant to do damage. I go battle medic with the Crusader's Crossbow and can only hit anything with the Rescue Ranger. Is it weird? yes Is it bad? yes Is it fun? *yes*

@HonokiViceandSunset

3 жыл бұрын

@@Attaxalotl I see you got aim with those no-explosive proyectiles. Nice. Try hitting sandman-guillotine combo in 2021, and we'll see if you still alive.

@Attaxalotl

3 жыл бұрын

@@HonokiViceandSunset Perhaps.

@CallofDutyBlackOps28

2 жыл бұрын

@@Attaxalotl to be honest; being a sniper as a medic using the bow; and sniper with the ambassador; it's pretty fun, being that one has more damage/heal the longer it's shot (with arc of course) and the other which does great damage (but needs headshots to be even better) honestly the best thing supports are; is being supportive and not just the whole "what you expect of said class to always do and nothing else"

I legitimately like the concept of engineer having a lazer based weapon similar to the cow mangler, it's very fitting and would work well with the eureka effect. But why valve, why the POMSON!

@LucasSantos-si4nd

3 жыл бұрын

I have an idea for the Pomson, have it be a short range lighting gun that remove Uber and cloak (at the current rate for 1 second of continued fire) The stats would be as follows: "An innovation from Tesla himself to electrocute your enemy's back to the future" Pros: -200 ammo reserve (weapon directly pulls from) -Drains 5% Uber or 10% cloak upon hitting an enemy continously for 1 second -Can hit multiple enemies with 1 "zap" (chain lightning) Cons: Is a sustain fire weapon (fires lightning in a set cone) Does 10% less damage Effective drain range of 30 feet (half the range of the short circuit)

@harbringerboredom2353

3 жыл бұрын

@@LucasSantos-si4nd maybe instead of cloak and uber, he could shoot sappers

@GogiRegion

3 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure it’s loosely based off of the railgun in TFC (which was basically Han Solo’s blaster), so it definitely fits Engie. Although that was his secondary and he still kept a shotgun.

@Furyfrags

3 жыл бұрын

In roblox, the tf2 knockoff, also known as tc2, remade the pomson. It still has reduced damage, and 4 shots intead of 6, but the laser projectile is hitscan now, and on hit, enemies will take reduced healing from all sources. The reduced healing is soooo annoying they banned it in tournaments

@joaopedrosambatti2474

3 жыл бұрын

@@LucasSantos-si4nd removing an ability from a class is never fun, i think it should be a mid-long range projectile for burst damage, flare gun speed and keeping the 4 shots, to deal with classes where close range is suicide, like pyros and maybe heavies

God help the poor soul that I randomly gave this to with a Giftapault

@Banshee523

3 жыл бұрын

hey, look on the bright side. there's a pretty decent chance that they scrapped it

@flameboy3378

3 жыл бұрын

I giftapulted a force a nature

@johnnystankiewicz295

3 жыл бұрын

@@flameboy3378 better option is to press button called "delete" or

@flameboy3378

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnystankiewicz295 thx for advice

@BillyBlock17

3 жыл бұрын

I got a pomson

“The strategy of not killing the enemy, better known as losing”

@catrielmarignaclionti4518

3 жыл бұрын

except in aram

@stevefan8283

3 жыл бұрын

i dont think so, cause this isnt a zero sum game

@vivelespatat2670

3 жыл бұрын

- Sun Tzu

@digital-underworld

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on the gamemode and map I think. You can waste a lot of time on Thunder Mountain 3rd part on last point by just pushing people off the top with airblast. If they aren't dead they'll have to walk back or do self-damage to get back up.

@peet-janissen5838

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t tell this to friendlys

Pomson 6000: removes uber and cloak.... Medic and spies: most of the time are behind allies or your allies Also Pomson: can't penetrate

@charnor2727

10 ай бұрын

Apparently it used to pen

@robdillenger4763

5 ай бұрын

​@@charnor2727 It did when released (December 2011), removed in August 2012. It's Cloak and Uber draining capabilities also had no fall-off, 10%/20% on any hit any range, and this was when Spy's Dead-Ringer was notoriously busted. I remember it as being (borderline?) overpowered, along with the slow projectile speed and devastating invisible crits made it a long-range area-denial weapon, dealing solid damage (maybe 70-80% of stock Rocket Launcher DPS if hitting 2-3 players). And the penetration could also result in multi-hits on the same target due to Source Spaghetti. I regularly got Machina-style multikills, either with random/uber crits, Jarate'd targets, or just hitting several injured players thinking they're safe because they're behind teammates. All done from infinite range, without sacrificing your sentry, dispenser, or tele. Just M1 toward the chokepoint. wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Pomson_6000#Update_history

@HuonPiper-ir4yj

3 ай бұрын

@@charnor2727 fuck me, it used to do something as well? dear god

"I hate myself, but most of all, I hate spies and medics having fun" the weapon

@HuonPiper-ir4yj

3 ай бұрын

I call it the "I hate everyone rifle." Annoy your teammates for being useless! Annoy yourself for using such a pointless pile of trash! Annoy your enemies because they just got killed by a random crit from one of the worst weapons ever!

@somnvm37

3 ай бұрын

sounds like half tf2 youtubers when they get killed

"the same consistency of 2 people standing in eachothers trying to melee someone" *flashbacks to how it feels to play demo extras*

@skebapplejefferiso308

3 жыл бұрын

These people are eating their own hitboxes and I took advantage of that

@ReySchultz121

3 жыл бұрын

Why have sword when one could have sharp glass.

@flameboy3378

3 жыл бұрын

Why have sword when you have bottle?

@jacquesnouvel6436

3 жыл бұрын

LazyPurple's video are something else I mean, the TF2 community is filled with high-tier youtubers, but LazyPurple is top-tier

@commanderdemonno9819

3 жыл бұрын

"why have sword when can have sharp glass" - lazypurple

The frontier justice intro really sells that this is an engie video.

@IInferno

3 жыл бұрын

@Cha cha real smooth hi funny man who made an edgy comment.

@vilmavaitonyte2451

3 жыл бұрын

@Cha cha real smooth cha cha real smooth

@AF-bh5ol

3 жыл бұрын

@D. Anime nazi moment on the internet, so original amirite.

@AF-bh5ol

3 жыл бұрын

@Cha cha real smooth xddd!1!1!1!1!

@AF-bh5ol

3 жыл бұрын

@D. average anime nazi teen xdd!1!1!!1

When they nerfed the pomsons ability to reduce uber, they basically killed it. Being able to reduce uber significantly from across the map was a legit use. Just one that we all decided we universally hated.

@kbtvstudios9528

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, Sniper can deplete 100% with a fully charged body shot

@misterbadguy7325

Жыл бұрын

@@kbtvstudios9528 Part of the issue was also that the Pomson at the time could pass through players. This meant that just spamming it down a chokepoint could knock 30% off the uber of a medic after grazing them a few times, even if they had two or three people in front of them and couldn't even see the engineer shooting them.

@Vectorman64

Жыл бұрын

I think the uber reduction nerf is fine, just give it back it's ability to penetrate and it's balanced.

Just a thought: what if it leeched ammo from the enemy classes? When you shoot it would remove ammo from the enemy it hits and gives YOU metal. This would drain the effectiveness of pushes, like it was meant to, and makes it easier to maintain and upgrade buildings in heated areas.

@energyhammer2342

3 жыл бұрын

But it could be very broken

@mikeyes620

3 жыл бұрын

That would be really annoying, and the Widow maker already kinda does that.

@sud1881

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeyes620 yeah but now it’s long range and a medic can’t fix the damage

@cleventinetheclementine195

3 жыл бұрын

i could see that being an interesting weapon idea (blank) damage, reduces targets ammo by (blank) and gives (blank) amount of metal in return like converting ammo to metal

@user-ow2cs7fb5l

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a weapon that either nobody would use because they think it sounds overwhelming, or everybody would use it so they cant even think about assaulting your nest.

Ah, the weapon I use when Im a friendly engineer.

@HybridHenderson

3 жыл бұрын

Same, paired with my Eureka effect.

@nekorisakirisame1323

3 жыл бұрын

@@HybridHenderson nope, im shooting every eureka engie i see. Those bastards got a plan to ruin my teams day and a bullet to the face should prevent that.

@TheSexiestGoblin

3 жыл бұрын

the pomson, the short circuit, and the gunslinger paired with the Beep Man are my go to halloween loadout

@zadymew7885

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSexiestGoblin That scares even me

@elfascisto6549

3 жыл бұрын

@@nekorisakirisame1323 wow, you're so scary. Bet can't hit a revved up heavy with a beggar's bazooka

12:15 That's probably the first time that spy has even seen the pomson, I can't even blame him for ragequitting though

@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853

3 жыл бұрын

Can't blame him getting killed with this thing is nearly as embarassing as getting demolished with Sun On A Stick.

@lonkzelda7871

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853 Or getting killed from the SVF

@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn

2 жыл бұрын

@@lonkzelda7871 OR TELEFRAGGED

@mogbob7336

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn or getting killed by a normal hit from the fan o' war

@EzekiesAcheron

2 жыл бұрын

@@lonkzelda7871 SVF? Oh nevermind. Sharpened Volcano Fragment. My bad.

"More useful against one giant medic rather than a group of small ones" is a sentence I never thought I'd ever hear.

You can shoot any friendly building with it to "charge" it with a mini buff, sentry does mini crits for a short time, dispenser gets increased range, teleporter is faster.

@EnableTheGame

2 жыл бұрын

Actually that's a pretty good and original ideia, would be interesting to see this in-game

@Zmeeed01

2 жыл бұрын

My idea based on that would be: [+] Fires a special projectile which Boosts friendly buildings for 3 seconds. Boosted buildings are unaffected by subsequent shots and they cannot be Boosted for 10 seconds after the current Boost wears off. [+] Boost affects buildings as in follow: Sentry Gun: +20% firing speed; Dispenser: +50% range, healing rate, ammo and metal generation; Teleporter: +100% recharge rate; [+] No ammo required. [-] -33% clip size. [-] -20% damage penalty. [-] -20% fire rate.

@TheDude8008

2 жыл бұрын

My idea is to make it be able to destroy Sappers at a distance (like how the Rescue Ranger heals buildings at a distance). It would take 3 or 4 hits to destroy one Sapper (idk), and the shooting speed should be a bit faster (the same with the Bison lol).

@vanilla8956

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDude8008 that’s a cool idea too, I think that’s way too many shots to do it though, even with increased bison speed I think it wouldn’t be able to even save the sentry in most scenarios. But I do think just that alone puts this in that weird kinda smelly territory of “you only use this item to counter one class”

@lyell63

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zmeeed01 maybe longer effect (10-15) with a longish recharge. Or maybe buff one building permanently with the downside of not bring able to shoot your gun or having the rest of the buildings weaker.

I've always thought that it would be cool if the Pompson could remove Sappers from long range

@M0D776

3 жыл бұрын

That's actually a cool idea, you could shoot multiple shots to ensure it destroys the Sapper and also hit the Spy with less cloak while at it.

@dragobane4728

3 жыл бұрын

So opposite of what the rescure ranger does, neat

@Warriorcat_Youtube

3 жыл бұрын

@@M0D776 it would at least have a defined point then. Might as well lessen some of the nerfs too

@M0D776

3 жыл бұрын

@@Warriorcat_KZread a faster shooting speed on par with the stock shotgun would be good, it may have slow projectiles, but if you can shoot more in less time it would at least be useable.

@lemark0663

3 жыл бұрын

Forgive me for ruining 69 likes

The fact that its impossible not to think about engineer when hearing Uncle Dane's intro is some powerful shit

@zachgaines8349

3 жыл бұрын

Dispenser going up

@yazidefirenze

3 жыл бұрын

Frontier justice

@Lakius

3 жыл бұрын

@@zachgaines8349 Well, guess that'll do.

@randomtexanguy9563

2 жыл бұрын

Sentry going up

@Breakaway-ic5gj

2 жыл бұрын

@@randomtexanguy9563 Booooooh

The Pomson is a perfect demonstration of a phrase I heard often in MMOs. "Death is the ultimate debuff."

One of the funniest uses of this weapon is against Pyros. A lot of Pyros feel the need to reflect any projectile coming their way, so if they don't know the stats they just walk in front of it, sometimes even being stubborn enough that they die

I really miss the time when it used to penetrate enemies. It felt like a usable weapon just because of that. Also, if that shoot "delay" was fixed, this weapon would feel a lot better to use.

@BlitzkriegOmega

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but the Uber/Cloak drain was borked. Because it caused medics to lose like half the Uber from a single projectile, and made spies unable to cloak. That’s the reason penetration was removed from the laser weapons.

@silverdededestruction2197

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlitzkriegOmega I feel like it could be balanced a bit if the penetration damage tick was increased further, like maybe 1.75 or something so that Medics and Spy's don't suffer so badly. Or instead projectiles faster instead with the delay gone

@aquamarinerose5405

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlitzkriegOmega Maybe I'm just an asshole but I feel think being able to take like half their uber or a spy's entire cloak in a single projectile is fair. Killing a medic drains 100% of their ubercharge anyway, and if you can just kill the spy with your shotgun then it doesn't matter if they have full cloak. You basically give up kill power in exchange for crippling their ability to do the stuff they're supposed to do. Though again, maybe I'm just the asshole who wants to be able to keep the enemy from having fun.

@Nitosa

3 жыл бұрын

@@aquamarinerose5405 the problem with that is, you can be the most brain dead player and get rewarded heavily for spamming a choke point possibly hitting a spy/med without even needing to aim, taking half there uber/clock for minimal thinking. It's also just not fun to be at the receiving end building uber 30 sec or more just to get taken by a lazer going through your heavy hitting you taking it all away.

@Nitosa

3 жыл бұрын

@@aquamarinerose5405 killing a medic takes more thought most of the time, because you have to go around the enemy team or kill to get to the med. With the penetration you can just go through the walls of flesh and gain a huge reward.

Ankleee danee, i cant use the alien gun from call of dooty!

@derkommissar4986

3 жыл бұрын

@Cha cha real smooth i dont watch uncle dane so i thought it was original lol

@thelogicdefier4630

3 жыл бұрын

@Cha cha real smooth bruh I know it's a bit worn out sometimes but leave these people alone. If your tired of it then I'm sorry but you can't just flame or insult someone just because you felt like it.

@realultraformerlyultranact6542

3 жыл бұрын

ucnel dade why wondr waf from cal of dudy not killing rde tem

@DrikTrajado

3 жыл бұрын

@Cha cha real smooth look guys look i wrote a sarcastic comment guys ain't i so sassy and cool guys? Please guys give internet point guy plz i need attention guys

@DrikTrajado

3 жыл бұрын

@Cha cha real smooth ok you got me, i ain't getting roasted here

I have an idea for a rework: turn it into an actual laser shotgun. Yep. Fire multiple lasers at once. Genius.

@chewycornell

2 жыл бұрын

Or a laser burst rifle that fires 5 shots in .4 seconds, with each laser doing a base damage of 15.

@the_real_boogeyman

2 жыл бұрын

@@chewycornell yeah but then it's a rifle, not a shotgun

@Wellshem

2 жыл бұрын

Shotting a constant laser would be fun

@Breakaway-ic5gj

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_real_boogeyman Then more variety

@zesnowpea6347

2 жыл бұрын

@@chewycornell or we could turn it into a true laser gun, where it’s just one solid beam of death, like the ray of doom from the bloon games

I'd love to see the penetration come back, and give the Pomson an "inverse falloff" where the damage of a projectile goes up every time it hits an enemy. Alternatively, have it mark enemies and highlight them through walls, like the respawn highlights. Let it play support more.

@coffee115

Жыл бұрын

I left TF2 when the pomson was OP and cool. I even have a Strange pomson I named the BFG 9000 simply because it was so broken. now it's broken in another way. just take it back to the stats at launch already!

@honkhonk8009

Жыл бұрын

Its a year old, but i agree. I wish it could penetrate and have an "inverse falloff". It would be cool if they had the whole "removes sappers" thing, but it would make spy more underpowered than it already is. I think it would be cool making the anti-uber mechanic actually worth bringing along. Idk about highlighting, but marking enemies for mini-crits would be a W. Baiscally they should make it the engineer's version of the crusaders crossbow. Fast projectile speed, but only 1 shot in the clip.

@pedropablotobon1017

Жыл бұрын

i would have preffered for it to work like the crossbow when the farter you are from the enemy, the more dmg it deals

@UNALLOYEDSLOP

7 ай бұрын

@@pedropablotobon1017the farter you are

"No name youtuber engineer main" *I see whatcha did there*

@eh2587

3 жыл бұрын

@washed up exactly

In my first days of tf2 i used pomson a lot. I don't know why, maybe it was funny for me but at some point i realized, that i have a shotgun, and that no one can outsmart bullet.

@quive5705

3 жыл бұрын

Übercharge outsmarts boolet

@BabzaiWWP

3 жыл бұрын

but shotguns dont shoot bullets

@prismaticpaul

3 жыл бұрын

damn, I'm getting quite roasted in the replies, the only way to restore my honor is to get a 20 killstreak with the pomson on 2fort.

@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853

3 жыл бұрын

@@prismaticpaul dont worry about them,having a bullet based primary weapon instead of that Pomson garbage is still the most effective combat option for Engi not counting sentries

@prismaticpaul

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853 i know, i was just trying to be a little funny and all that. Stock shotgun works best for me because I'm not a god at aiming in the heat of battle (widowmaker), on occasion I use the rescue ranger but yeah, that's about it.

I remember when the pomson was released, it was one of the most overpowered weapons in the game because it pierced through both your enemies AND your allies :)

@usernametaken017

Ай бұрын

Was it actually overpowered or just overused

When I was young, I would always run the pomson. I thought it looked cool and didn't notice the downsides. I got used to the slow projectile speed, I still managed to get quite a lot of kills on people with it, I genuinely kinda liked it. I would still play with it if I didn't immediately lose all that skill built up with it after using the Frontier Justice once.

5:45 Scout: I eat your lasers, I eat them up!

@fuze7885

3 жыл бұрын

correct

@MurriciTerceiro

3 жыл бұрын

That caused me fisical pain

@theguywithadifferentopinio9060

3 жыл бұрын

@@MurriciTerceiro same as your comment

Pomson 6000: TF2's version of the Stormtrooper laser rifle.

@unusualincidentsunit2837

3 жыл бұрын

But in slow motion

@certifiedicecreamtruckmoment

3 жыл бұрын

@@unusualincidentsunit2837 at least good players can still hit point blank shots even if it does basically nothing

@aspirineye3412

3 жыл бұрын

e-11 is awesome

@vodamiinurl1337

3 жыл бұрын

J U S T L I K E T H E S I M U L A T I O N S

@corrat4866

3 жыл бұрын

L A S R I F L E ?

If I recall, when the pomson was first released it wasn’t that bad because it pierced enemies and could hit someone multiple times

@hoppyman11

Жыл бұрын

It was insanely annoying because it was very easy for Engies to mindlessly shoot it down a choke and removing enemy Uber and peppering enemies with virtually no risk. And the uber removed wasn't affected by falloff.

The Pomson was amazing once. They nerfed it for good reasons, but just like every other weapon they overtune, they made it worthless.

@D4n0w4r

2 жыл бұрын

God, I miss the old Pomson.

@pedropablotobon1017

Жыл бұрын

good reason? even before the nerf basically nobody used it for being already bad and too hard to use for the upsides it gives. Wanna reduce the medic uber? just use the stock and u will reduce not just 20% of their uber but 100% by 2 shots and u will even make it out alive if you also use the other 4 shots at the guy that was being pocketed. Too many enemies? -Widowmaker Sentry is about to die? - Frontier justice a lot of cqc momments? - Panic Attack Need to move fast? - Rescue Ranger All around map? - Stock want to literally torture yourself to the deepest hole possible? - Pompson

5:43 the scout absorbed the shot lmao

I remember back in the day, when I was a wee lad of f2p player, when pomson was able to go through multiple enemies. I also remember that cheeky bug, that made your projectiles invisible

Remember when this first came out and it was beyond overpowered Good old days ;D

@Juuhazan_

2 жыл бұрын

The Grordbort weapons were pretty busted on release. The salt the phlog generated on release was incredible.

"It feels like there's a pause between clicking the button and having the projectile come out" *Syringe gun:* First time?

As far as primary qualities go, if i wanted infinite Ammo i'd use the Widowmaker, because at least then i never have to reload.

_Looks at Soldier Footage_ He's doing the Bison! We're getting the Bison! Hallelujah!

@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853

3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah!

@user-nc6td8ox1t

3 жыл бұрын

Bison Gaming

@lonkzelda7871

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-nc6td8ox1t Bison Gaming

Imagine pomson with faster projectile speed and abillity to do Rocket jumps

@chewycornell

2 жыл бұрын

Directhit

@dimsthedimwit600

Жыл бұрын

I wish it had a name related to Mutilating Livestock or something. It kinda fells like a soldier weapon tho

@commanderdemonno9819

Жыл бұрын

@@dimsthedimwit600 you mean the cow mangler

4:46 Jokes on you, I can't rocket jump anyway.

@bestdogshadow383

2 жыл бұрын

Really? I don't even have an hour on soldier and I can still rocket jump

@Holdenheroofheroes

2 жыл бұрын

@@bestdogshadow383 I've improved

Even the upside of 10% Uber and 20% cloak reduction is barely even useful as you could kill a medic and spy with a normal shotgun before the pompson can do anything remotely useful

@Skullhawk13

3 жыл бұрын

It used to apply at any distance and was meta-defining till a ban

@Kilo_Maybe

3 жыл бұрын

Murder: removes all Uber and cloak Pompson: removes a bit of cloak Murder=better

@alyarin9000

3 жыл бұрын

It stops spies from getting away. I know that a few years back, i'd consider one or two pomson hits as a spy a death sentence.

@googleuser7823

2 жыл бұрын

@play gray Actually dead ringer will still work even after shot by an pompson, spy would just have reduced invis time, which is pretty useless considering kunai spies use dead ringer to tank damage

@chaoz7370

2 жыл бұрын

@play gray you say that as if its guaranteed to happen every time... The point is that just using a shotgun is more effecient and consistent, OVERALL. Plus that 10% removal means nothing cuz the medic can get it back in, like, 15 seconds, regardless of Ubersaw or not

the only way that the uber-draining scenario is semi-useful: *V I T A S A W*

@InkubozuNikki

3 жыл бұрын

"Okay let's go take down that sentry. Oops hit by pomson. Guess we died"

@handson4580

3 жыл бұрын

i have never ever seen a medic use this in all of my time in tf2

@2BrosOfficialGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Until you get a random crit.

@peascoutpesante9456

3 жыл бұрын

If it was the OLD "Hey, I just died. But that's alright, since my punishment was not so bad for just simply owning one specific item that I never need to pull out, and now I still have an Uber advantage since your medic is also dead with 0% Uber left" vita-saw, then I guess the Pompson would be a niche way to counter ubers. However, the CURRENT vita-saw, where you actually have to do dangerous and unrewarding shit with it just gain the upside, is just so bad and useless. It'd be a surprise to see a medic even equip it. So the Pompson is un-needed And even if the vita-saw was reverted back to its original state, it wouldn't be used as much to justify using the Pompson 3000. The vita would stay banned in competitive for obvious reasons, and is useless in casual, since there are a lot of shitty new medics that can utilize uber properly anyways.

@handson4580

3 жыл бұрын

@@peascoutpesante9456 iv never ever seen a medic use the vita-saw. It is by definition a dead weapon

I remember back when this weapon was first released. It was stupid good. Now it’s good at being stupid.

When I had just started playing tf2 as an f2p engie I thought this weapon was amazing when I read its description, I used the pomson for way too long. Once i realised it sucked I carried on using it because I thought it was cool that it shot lasers and it had a cool kill effect. I look back on those moments and wonder what people thought of a gibus engie running around 2 fort and turbine trying to shoot people with a direct downgrade of a weapon. I agree with basically every change that you suggested except for the charge shot. maybe right click could be a non-damaging projectile that removes sappers?

Alt-Fire removes sappers, and it's done.

@LedZedd

3 жыл бұрын

Damn that's a great idea. 👀

@bitchtitchs

3 жыл бұрын

Like maybe that and a knockback effect, like slightly less than a rocket blast would do so the spy would get blown back further, allowing more time for you to get the the building and slap the spy

@Alejandro-ex4ti

3 жыл бұрын

@@bitchtitchs Why not apply a small knockback on yourself (Like Force-A-Nature)? You could use that to get some mobility and being able to get distance between you and spies/pyros when getting rushed. Also make it minicrit against wet enemies (I always thought that energy weapons should minicrit wet enemies).

@borivoje644

3 жыл бұрын

We have a genius in here lads.

@drivanradosivic1357

3 жыл бұрын

I thought something like overcharge and a lite Cow Mangler alt fire(aoe and burning for Pomson) but being able to also damage sappers would make it good. maybe make the normal attack penetrate with the alt fire being a aoe attack?

3:45 Sad heavy is disappointed of you, you used the Pomson 6000

@watermelonjuice8524

3 жыл бұрын

Sad pootis man

@Kilo_Maybe

3 жыл бұрын

Disappointed poot

@nugget0928

3 жыл бұрын

“Why, little baby friend, do you choose to hurt yourself? Do you believe your tiny baby self to be lesser than your other little man friends, or big strong Russian man? No. Well, you are equal to friends, not heavy, but that is not point. You are worth more than can know. Always remember this.”

@nugget0928

2 жыл бұрын

@Punisher Reloaded “Heavy weapons friend is very glad to hear this. Have good day.”

“Valve, please, just increase the projectile speed.” -Me who used it the first time

I think that there is an inverse relationship between how cool the weapon looks and how good it actually is

When i started playing in 2019 i thought this was a good weapon for 7 months i liked it because it looked futuristic

@EPWillard

3 жыл бұрын

Its was pretty good back in the day

Ah, the pomson, an engineer weapon that does nothing for the engineer.

@Banshee523

3 жыл бұрын

it'd be useless on any class tbh

@HellecticMojo

3 жыл бұрын

@@Banshee523 MAAaaaaaaybe a pyro if going super dedicated pybro? eh

@athan13590

3 жыл бұрын

@@HellecticMojo You fucking lose the flamethrower, the thing that kills spies and reflects projectiles. Spy cloak doesn't mean shit.

@HellecticMojo

3 жыл бұрын

@@athan13590 shotgun equivalents go to the secondary slot young man.

@athan13590

3 жыл бұрын

@@HellecticMojo I didn't think of it like that. It would still be pretty useless though.

I really want to learn that slow-mo uncle dane intro on the piano now.

I had an idea for three small tweaks 1) make the projectile punch through enemies, reducing damage per enemy 2) remove the fall off of the drain, and also make it occur before damage 3) make it deal bonus damage to Overhealed targets

uncle fungus is the best alias i've ever seen anyone use, it is beautiful i love it

Finally another bad weapon academy

this music from one of the old DS Pokemon games made me remember my childhood, so thanks for that. Simpler times....

Good god, that gen 2 pokemon music in the background got me going full nostalgia.

3:43 it feels kind of sad watching the heavy start to frown as he is being abused with projectiles :/

@adamtaurus7840

3 жыл бұрын

It hurts pootis man

@user-nf2es5xv5w

3 жыл бұрын

sadheavy.mp4

@mechaniccccc

3 жыл бұрын

Makes me cry

@T1MAGEDDON

3 жыл бұрын

he noticed what he was being shot with and had empathy for the engi

@ToyFreddyGaming1987

3 жыл бұрын

Gunslinger is that you

7:48 wow i cant believe you made the audio feel like you're talking underwater. Massive editing props

@cottoneyejoe8285

3 жыл бұрын

I can't hear it

@thelastword810

3 жыл бұрын

Right!!

@adamtaurus7840

3 жыл бұрын

what

@adamtaurus7840

3 жыл бұрын

Can't tell difference

@suchmuse

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamtaurus7840 its hard to hear

Tbh when I saw the Pomson I was only going for the "No Ammo Required" stat since I was running out of it quite frequently and it was my main weapon for quite a while, tho then I discovered Widowmaker's Semi-Infinite ammo with high damage and Rescue Ranger's ability to save your buildings so it got changed pretty quickly

Concept for reworked stats that actually have synergy with its set: Scrap the meter draining Make the projectile a little faster +Metal reserve increased to 280(this would let you build all 3 buildings with the eureka effect) +Metal recieved from ammo packs decreased by [some amount] (this downside would helped by teleporting to the supply cabinet) +Projectile penetrates players again, but can't hit someone more than once +Faster reload anim +projectile can remove sappers in one hit +tiny blast radius on projectile

"This weapon takes away the enemy's ubercharge!" You know what else does that? Killing them.

@bobshaw3107

3 жыл бұрын

But the vita saw

@thepoglin8479

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobshaw3107 kill them again

@thepoglin8479

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobshaw3107 oh and also nobody uses that thing so yeah

@bobshaw3107

3 жыл бұрын

@@thepoglin8479 I use it and I seem other engis use it

@thepoglin8479

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobshaw3107 i meant nobody uses the vita saw dude

I knew you were the engineer that insisted using the Pompson in my casual matches :D

My friend made a server where they made the palm center not remove the status stuff for the other characters, but they also allowed you to rocket jump with it it is really fun.

About the part where it feels like there's a delay between pressing the fire button and the projectile coming out; my guess is that the projectile spawns behind your field of view, and exacerbated by it's slow flight speed, it takes a moment for the projectile to come into your vision

17:00 I thought your Pomson was fire cowmangler shots.

@drivanradosivic1357

3 жыл бұрын

Cow Mangler shots on the alt fire while the primary fire is without the drain, but has penetration and does damage vs sappers would make it better. Oh, and add the drain as a MVM upgrade.

Can you please do the Sun on a Stick next please? I love your Bad Weapon Academy videos!

@vivelespatat2670

3 жыл бұрын

When are you ever gonna use Scout melee to kill someone ? Since the addition of the fire resistance, it has a decent utility

@ryanymous2138

3 жыл бұрын

Chevalier de la Chancla It’s not a COMPLETELY bad weapon, but not completely bad weapons have been used in the series like The Classic, Liberty Launcher, Brass Beast, and Baby Face’s Blaster so the Sun-on-a-Stick DESERVES to be in the series!

@ops2mops954

3 жыл бұрын

@@vivelespatat2670 its not, it lowers so little damage it will never make any difference. Finishing off enemy with bat/mackerel is absolute swag and stick cancer cant do this

@mooncalf_4534

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanymous2138 It's bad in that there's a 0% chance of a good player trying to play optimally ever equipping it over the absurdly powerful Atomizer (or even far weaker, but still valuable Wrap Assassin or Boston Basher), but it's basically a straight upgrade over the default bat.

@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853

3 жыл бұрын

Get yourself a friend playing Pyro while you use all the agility enhancing weapons like Soda Popper and Winger. Once he sets the enemy on fire,go for it.

The intro is gold.

Damn anyone remember when this weapon was actually good? I remember raging at it a lot around 2012.

The pompson is a fascinating combination of awkward to use and frustrating to play against.

@DrLiam-fg6wd

3 жыл бұрын

they should add a chainsaw cannon

@davidhong1934

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrLiam-fg6wd Is that a cannon that damages enemies in melee range in addition to shooting bullets, or is it a cannon that shoots chainsaws?

@alejoiiiovalles9906

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidhong1934 cannon that shoots chainsaws.

@unusualincidentsunit2837

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidhong1934 i don't think you got the reference here buddy.

"I'm actually Uncle Dane" *top 10 anime plot twists*

I use to use the Pompson as Engi years ago because it was such a hidden gem. It added so much utility for the Engineer to help out the team screw up the would be Uber Chargers but I would argue the thing that really killed it was what they did to it's hit radius. It actually use to have the same hit radius as Pyro's flame thrower so you could check doorways and or corners or hell hit people just in general or kill people trying to run away who thought they were safe.

Launch Pomson was most definitely a "spam" weapon that shined in chokepoints. It even had a "fun" bug where once it hit someone (whether it be enemy or ally), the projectile would disappear - but the hitbox for it would continue to penetrate onward like the Righteous Bison. So you'd have Medics and Spies getting dinged for cloak and Uber out of nowhere with no indication that they were in the line of fire of the Pomson.

if it had penetration, i would use it as is honestly. That's a game changer.

@JRMoore

3 жыл бұрын

That's what she said :(

I love how the Strange Pomson was once 3 keys...oh how times have changed

5:44 funniest get down mr president in the video

Since you mentioned taking away the Uber/Cloak drain mechanic, I thought an interesting way to shift the Pomson's "support" role would be to utilise the fact that your shots also hit allies. The idea I have is that by hitting an ally with the Pomson shot, you give them a "free shot" in their clip, basically letting them fire an extra shot or extra second of rapid fire without using any ammo in their clip (or equivalent). The only other change I might make is to up the projectile's speed. Trying to give it back its penetration with this new effect feels like it would make it overpowered were you behind your team spamming shots at them.

@sud1881

Жыл бұрын

This sounds strong however, when thinking about it this is just a a extra soldier showing up suddenly when one runs empty, a huo long heater heavy having some extra backup ammo, pyro having a pal behind him air blasting when he’s out of ammo, a demo having some extra sticky’s faster at a slower rate than another demo showing up, a artillery cannon having more up time, scout getting a few extra bullets if he’s lucky, sniper getting a few extra bullets, spy gets more opportunities to shoot, medic… is medic, engi gets some extra rescue ranger bolts. That’s… not that too bad, if another demo with full ammo can show up after one runs out then this is likely fine since it’s only 4 shots that (probably) only go to one gun and those shots aren’t guaranteed to hit the target. (unless it’s an artillery cannon but nobody’s going to complain since no one sees those anyways unless their on the same team)

The only time I use this weapon is when I know I'm going to be doing some meme camping spot and need long range weaponry since I don't have the rescue ranger. It sucks.

what about making it remove sappers? Would be a unique utility tool and maybe even be an alternative for the rescue ranger for a really defensive engineer

@datkhornedog899

2 жыл бұрын

This. Is good.

@thechosenjuan8776

2 жыл бұрын

sappers already have it hard enough with the homewrecker existing lol

@VestedUTuber

2 жыл бұрын

@@thechosenjuan8776 Assuming a pyro even bothers to choose it or the maul over the powerjack.

Gotta say, one of my favorite parts of this series is the HeartGold/SoulSilver music.

My friends and I had a lot of fun playing full Pomson engie squad back in the early days of MvM. It wasn't good, but it could be made to work. It ended up working kind of like musket-era volley firing, where the point wasn't so much aiming as it was filling space with bullets. With the projectile penetration and liberal amounts of crit canteens it was pretty okay.

You forgot to mention two things -- when Flamethrowers were changed to fix the fire particles, the Pomson and Bison were changed too. As a result, both weapons lost their ability to ignite Huntsman arrows. Their projectile size was also broken by the change, making it far smaller which makes the slow projectile speed feel even worse. The smaller projectile size also makes the Bison hit players fewer times, which kinda defeats the point of the weapon.

I've actually started playing with this gun and waiting till somebody makes video about it. *Thanks!*

I was in a casual 2fort server when at the start of a round, I convinced 8 of my 11 teammates to run engineer with the Pomson 6000. We steamrolled the enemy team 3-0 and by the end of the round we had multiple lvl 3 sentries and teles IN THEIR INTEL. I will never forget that game.

I honestly still love this thing for the singular reason that I _love_ the disintegration death animation.

@kingstondaking7877

4 ай бұрын

omestuck

So its definitely bad? Damn, you could literally pump up the firing speed to the same as the Stock Shotty and the gun automatically becomes useable. Also, I didn't know that you were actually Uncle Dane, pretty rad lol

I would really love to see the Pomson 6000 be a no ammo pool weapon where you charge shots like a sticky launcher. Uncharged shots travel fast and don't do too much damage. Charged shots can drain uber and cloak, deal more damage, and travel slower.

On hit: drains ammo equivalent to damage (hitting full ramp up would remove a certain amount of ammo depending on class) remove 10% Uber or cloak, Mark enemy Keep all current downsides. This would basically make it a weapon to support your teammates and it would be more effective

I think an interesting possible support effect it could have is 25% higher max metal capacity. This would give it a high degree of synergy with the Eureka Effect and might allow for some new rollouts. Then you just have to fix the firing and projectile speed so it's not miserable to use and you might just have something people want to equip.

i really think this weapon is bad in ALL situations, even beating the shit out of spies. if you have a decent shotgun aim you can already do more work than you would do with this thing. it just needs a total rework tbh

God every time you fire that thing in the clips it actually makes me cringe. it's insanely unsatisfying to watch

@shrekconfirmed5456

3 жыл бұрын

like watching nails on a chalkboard ngl

@blurmarsh2265

3 жыл бұрын

It's like watching an action movie where everybody uses normal guns while the protagonist uses a slingshot

@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853

3 жыл бұрын

@@blurmarsh2265 its like watching every Steven Seagal movie

it has a niche use of letting you spam alt fire with the short circuit, and fully dedicating dispenser output to more metal

Double the projectile speed and remove the need to reload at all, and it might actually be a decent spam fire weapon.

i watch every single one of these even though i haven't played TF2 consistently in years

I've been waiting for this one, hell yeah

The Pomson was insanely powerful when it was introduced, but nerfed into obscurity about a year later.

"If you come across an engineer building like the dispenser or teleporter, Its just as easy to start upgrading it yourself so to speak" I love this guy. 3:11

Me:ok time to go to sleep so I can do well on my test tomorrow fsoas:no

It is so weird hearing the Uncle Dane Theme outside of Uncle Danes channel

I've been thinking about an alt fire concept for the pomson that would fit the theme of the cow mangler. Hit an enemy building to glitch it out, for example a sentries rate of fire and effectivene range is reduced for 5 seconds. Hit your own buildings to boost them (increase sentry fire rate and range, dispenser heal rate, etc...), at the cost of damaging them slightly. You could say a glitch/boost lasts 5 seconds and then there'd be maybe a 15 second period before you can do it again. Additionally, a glitched sentry can't be wrangled, so it would force it back to automatic mode if an enemy engie had wrangled it.

I had an idea of making it work like a flamethrower, just with lower range, no afterburn, infinite ammo but you need the reload, but deals more upfront damage. The meter draining stuff can stay but only once you deal a certain amount of damage to the target, say after 40 damage, a portion of their meter is gone. I don't have the specifics but it's something i just thought up