[TF2] Bad MvM Upgrades

While it’s perfectly fine to mess around or yoink a strat found in a Soundsmith or Dewill video, a lot of you find your fun in seeing those beefy boi numbers. If that’s you, this video will hopefully be of help.
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  • @breadmilkYT
    @breadmilkYT2 жыл бұрын

    MvM sweats whenever medic stops gaining uber for 0.0002 nanoseconds to apply a useful effect 😡

  • @thethe5355

    @thethe5355

    Жыл бұрын

    Frfr

  • @theslamjamfrincisco2820

    @theslamjamfrincisco2820

    Жыл бұрын

    yeah if i have 2-3 heavies or power classes fighting a giant, if i shoot the giant, ALL THREE get healing, if there's no scout its a easy choice for medic

  • @El_chara

    @El_chara

    Жыл бұрын

    It's not usefull most of the time cuz of mad milk on scout wich is just 10 time better

  • @theadministrator.6632

    @theadministrator.6632

    Жыл бұрын

    What’s the point of this comment?

  • @El_chara

    @El_chara

    Жыл бұрын

    @@theadministrator.6632 Da funny

  • @Sedrathelime
    @Sedrathelime2 жыл бұрын

    9:20 No, nonononono. Mad Milk Syringes ROCK if you use them properly. True, Scout exists, but he isn't omnipresent, especially if his recharge isn't upgraded. No, the proper way to use MMS is as a status tagger. Identify a large target, swap to your syringe gun for a few seconds, and then swap back. The problem I usually see in people criticizing the upgrade is assuming that it enables a hybrid battle-medic playstyle (It doesn't) and use it exclusively in their footage only to be disappointed. Let's go over all your points. -When you have your syringe gun out, you're not healing your main target. True, which is why you should swap to it just to tag a giant, temporarily. Any damage they take in the meantime can be tanked by overheal or healed by the status. Not to mention you'll be swapping right back. -You're not giving teammates overheal, sharing canteens, or building uber. Fair, but given giants are relentlessly focused, keeping everyone alive is just as useful in many situations. And again, it doesn't matter as much when you use your primary sparingly. It takes around two seconds to tag a giant or spray into a group of robots and swap back. You might argue this matters, but I've never observed a major difference. -You're not generating your shield. No, actually. All healing done through MMS contributes to the projectile shield. In some cases I've seen the shield generate from 0 to full in an INSTANT upon tagging a giant. -You're taking the time to provide a status effect scout already can, without it infringing on his core gameplay. It takes roughly the same amount of time for each of them to apply their statuses. In some cases, you can fire a volley and then have a beam on your target before any attacks land, from which you're free to use your shield or canteens. The main strength of them, from my experience, is how cheap they are and how little they intrude on Medic's playstyle, contrary to popular belief. If used properly, they can save the entire team, or the entire round. Thank you for coming to my TED talk, loved the video otherwise, hope to see more.

  • @MustacheMann22

    @MustacheMann22

    2 жыл бұрын

    legit was gonna say this xd

  • @ElHarmonyV

    @ElHarmonyV

    2 жыл бұрын

    You only really need to hit one syringe then switch back on a giant or spray a wave then switch both don't take that much time.

  • @Sedrathelime

    @Sedrathelime

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ElHarmonyV Duration increases with each hit. Not enough to make sustained fire viable, but enough to justify shooting 5 needles at a time.

  • @Raxarion

    @Raxarion

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed on all these points except MMS helping with shield recharge , only because I don't know about this. Other than that , all your points are valid and I'll update after testing it out in MVM

  • @majickman

    @majickman

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I was wondering about that. I haven't played much MvM but the clip showed him with the syringes out for several seconds which even I figured was the wrong way to use them. I usually just spray a few on a giant and get right back to healing.

  • @demfrodegroot7596
    @demfrodegroot75967 ай бұрын

    1:58 Weezy: "If there's no light blue outlines on anything, crit res should be off the table" The 14 Buff banner soldiers giving minicrits to the 87 other damaging bots: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"

  • @RedShocktrooperRST

    @RedShocktrooperRST

    6 ай бұрын

    Crit Res does apply to minicrits yeah?

  • @soldier3157

    @soldier3157

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@RedShocktrooperRSTit doesnt

  • @RedShocktrooperRST

    @RedShocktrooperRST

    6 ай бұрын

    @@soldier3157 damn.

  • @barple367

    @barple367

    2 ай бұрын

    Crit resistance actually does help with mini crit damage, it also removes being marked for death on any weapon that applies it

  • @neutraldalek4222

    @neutraldalek4222

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@soldier3157that is straight-up misinformation. both the +200% of crits and the +35% of mini-crits use the same crit damage 30% of 35 isn't nearly as impactful as 30% of 200 but it still does something

  • @benjaminoechsli1941
    @benjaminoechsli194111 ай бұрын

    I appreciate that this list not only takes the time to say "the first tick of this perk is good, but don't invest more" for certain perks on the list, it explains why. Nice work. 👍

  • @woobgamer5210

    @woobgamer5210

    2 ай бұрын

    i like how minigun speed is just, the second tick, always buy from tick 1 to tick 3, never stay on tick 2

  • @dooter3253
    @dooter32532 жыл бұрын

    One thing I wanna mention that I actually realized while playing Mannhattan with a couple of friends on advanced as engie, is that while the disposable Mini Sentry is very niche, one amazing sidegrade in later waves is the fact it can give you revenge crits without the need to destroy your sentry, and since it self destructs when out of ammo AND has at least enough health to get a few kills and assists, allows for free frontier justice crits WITHOUT destroying your main sentry

  • @therealchasecrafter522

    @therealchasecrafter522

    2 жыл бұрын

    Main reason why I use it other than assisting my main sentry

  • @predator5775

    @predator5775

    2 жыл бұрын

    Someone who actually knows what they're doing without dismissing. I salute you, fellow engy!

  • @mistykitchen9515

    @mistykitchen9515

    2 жыл бұрын

    *cough cough* MANNHATTEN

  • @dooter3253

    @dooter3253

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mistykitchen9515 I am so sorry for my travesty of a post, fixed

  • @dooter3253

    @dooter3253

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@predator5775 :D

  • @cloudchaser8650
    @cloudchaser86502 жыл бұрын

    Did you know that the objectivly best upgrade in the game is jump height for heavy? It allows you to do something called "get auto kicked" the moment you buy it!

  • @deyontemyers4109

    @deyontemyers4109

    11 ай бұрын

    Manhatten little high truck takes awhile for a heavy to climb and start helping people defend the 2nd story if you're team ain't doing it So it's useful in that situation tho Don't know about rottenberg

  • @1un4cy

    @1un4cy

    11 ай бұрын

    i take it sometimes, lets you reach silly places and get more movement out of revving up

  • @BloodOfTartaros

    @BloodOfTartaros

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@deyontemyers4109Mannhattan*

  • @deyontemyers4109

    @deyontemyers4109

    10 ай бұрын

    @@BloodOfTartaros ....AAAAHHHHHHHH

  • @realchiknuggets

    @realchiknuggets

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@BloodOfTartaros I've never seen a comment section so littered with horrible spelling

  • @Paulunatr
    @Paulunatr10 ай бұрын

    While it's true that Mad Milk Syringes is a common noob trap, it's important to note that it can create a lot of value in the hands of a player who knows how MvM Medic is supposed to be played. Your medigun should be out and active 90% of the time, but just like in regular PvP play, sometimes you need to make use of your other toys. Quickly spraying a giant with Mad Milk Syringes basically turns your damage-dealers into their own pocket Medics for a few seconds, freeing you up to do revive a teammate, get out of a bad spot, heal yourself up, or sneak in an Ubersaw swing if you're absolutely desperate for charge. Mad Milk Syringes should be treated like the weapons it's attached to: only for emergencies. But if you like to run the syringe guns in MvM, it's worth picking up. It can do amazing things in clutch moments for a decent price.

  • @1un4cy
    @1un4cy11 ай бұрын

    Think you forgot to mention that airblast force before jungle inferno was an almost mandatory upgrade for pyro. the pyro update changed how airblast works so robots get blasted like 6x farther than they're supposed to, and giants are supposed to be mostly impervious to airblast other than giant scouts who are only a little bit resistant to it (basically holding them in place rather than pushing them back) Sure it's unnecessary nowadays but it used to be necessary with the old airblast.

  • @Apsolon

    @Apsolon

    7 ай бұрын

    Its ok grandpa, it been 6 years since the update.

  • @MrRAGE-md5rj

    @MrRAGE-md5rj

    6 ай бұрын

    Dude. Yesterday a friend of mine was airblasting giants into death pits. It's a viable tactics!

  • @perejilseven1769

    @perejilseven1769

    4 ай бұрын

    @@MrRAGE-md5rj what happen with the money?

  • @woobgamer5210

    @woobgamer5210

    2 ай бұрын

    @@perejilseven1769 money that enters void plains is instantly collected

  • @ZepTheGamer
    @ZepTheGamer2 жыл бұрын

    Mad milk syringes are so insanely busted. Instead of healing one target with your medigun, you're healing your entire team by a percentage of their damage.

  • @Nez-ky7hn

    @Nez-ky7hn

    Жыл бұрын

    He didn't say mad milk was bad. He was saying that it's the scout's job and having the medic do it is taking away from what the medic should be doing while scout can do his job at the same time.

  • @722lovemonkey

    @722lovemonkey

    Жыл бұрын

    Mad Milk syringes aren't useless, but as a medic you're way better off sticking to your medigun. That milk healing is nice, but you know what's even better for survivability? The shield. The shield is absolutely critical for both the medic and the rest of the team. Milk healing won't do you any good if your health bar gets shredded by a hoard of heavies or a giant rapid fire crit soldier. Meanwhile with the shield you can just block all that damage. Also, you're not building über or the shield when you're spraying milk syringes. Kritzkrieg über is a powerful thing in MvM that you shouldn't sacrifice for a gimmick. It lets demos plant sticky traps that'll shred giants and disintigrate hoards, help soldiers build their banners faster and makes pyro's and heavy's already high DPS even better. So why would you forgo all those benefits to be a discount scout? And before you say "You're not a medic so you wouldn't get it". I *am* a medic. I'm a medic main, so everything i say comes from experience.

  • @manjackson2772

    @manjackson2772

    Жыл бұрын

    @@722lovemonkey milk healing builds shield

  • @mariustan9275

    @mariustan9275

    Жыл бұрын

    @@722lovemonkey Plus it takes the same amount of time for both to apply the effects

  • @PoshBeard

    @PoshBeard

    Жыл бұрын

    @@722lovemonkey milk healing builds shield

  • @CaptainKapitan
    @CaptainKapitan2 жыл бұрын

    "Never ever buy it in any circumstance" Me, in a MvM infinite cash server: "But it feels good maxing out every upgrade ;c "

  • @vinzgaming4466

    @vinzgaming4466

    2 жыл бұрын

    Whats the ip for it, i think its fun

  • @justafan9206

    @justafan9206

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ip?

  • @quadrillion92

    @quadrillion92

    Жыл бұрын

    Ip on my pants lol gottem

  • @loser4182

    @loser4182

    Жыл бұрын

    drink it

  • @theTRUEcrowithy

    @theTRUEcrowithy

    Жыл бұрын

    i onc ejoined one of those servers without realizing and i was so fucking confused

  • @theunnamedaccount4009
    @theunnamedaccount400910 ай бұрын

    There was one instance where I honestly think mad milk syringes was the play In the recent MvM update (6 months ago), there was an expert map that was japanese-themed, and the final boss was a giant demoknight. My team went three heavies for damage, a medic and engie for support and a sniper for cleanup. With the constant barrage of small bots and the high damage output of the boss, there was no possible way for the medic to keep up with the heals over the three damage sponges. But that's when I had an idea. Me, being the medic, chose to use mad milk syringes and sprayed the boss for 0.2 seconds every now and then just to keep up the heals before going back to generating krits uber We won the round I made that switch

  • @bluedistortions

    @bluedistortions

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeah, stopping healing for one second to apply madmilk is 100% worth it. It's team heal. This guy is just wrong on this one.

  • @alsoSeeb
    @alsoSeeb10 ай бұрын

    I will die on the hill that a single point of knockback rage is helpful when super scouts are present and your team isn't capable of/consistent in slowing them down or killing them quickly. I also like it for Ghost Town to separate giant medics from heavies. That said, it's not a great buy aside from niche cases, but I like to pick it up mid to late match for the hell of it. Pinning a sentry buster to a wall while the engineer is being revived is a nice feeling once in a while.

  • @mcintoshpc
    @mcintoshpc2 жыл бұрын

    Minor detail: waves with flare pyros *can* benefit from crit res, even with no crit boosted bots

  • @predator5775

    @predator5775

    2 жыл бұрын

    Another thing: I tend to buy ahead of time since at times the team im in can't hold a position and the robots get their crit buff sooner. It's rare, but I've had some close calls because I invested in crit res. and could take 1 hit before I kill the carrier.

  • @mauser98kar

    @mauser98kar

    Жыл бұрын

    There are also waves with lots of Buff Banner Soldiers that not only mini-crits you - they buff any other bot, meaning mini-crits from everywhere. On such wave even crit res can be a decisive factor, no matter the small difference between regular and mini-crit damage on paper.

  • @realchiknuggets

    @realchiknuggets

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@mauser98kar that's very good to know, thanks for sharing

  • @lawsonhovind7335
    @lawsonhovind73352 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad someone made a video like this, watching this video I've realised how much I was wasting with unnecessary upgrades like Burn Time and Disposable Sentry (which I'm a little sad about, I always found it fun to put in a little corner for a bit more damage from an unexpected angle). Still, very well put together video, great work!

  • @Jpeg.g

    @Jpeg.g

    2 жыл бұрын

    I get mini at the mid point and put it mid way through the map for bonus damage if needed or to stop random stragglers from getting through and back caping

  • @amotoz

    @amotoz

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unexpeted angle? They're bots

  • @lawsonhovind7335

    @lawsonhovind7335

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@amotoz Bots still give me the serotonin from the rapid "dingdingdingding" of damage, thats all I care about. If they were tricked or not, they still take damage

  • @amotoz

    @amotoz

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lawsonhovind7335 You sir are the definition of based.

  • @chickensoup7605

    @chickensoup7605

    2 жыл бұрын

    Its still really good on later wave as mention in the video, you can pull aggro/extra dmg. But the main selling point is how cute the minisentry is for me .

  • @DragonuFear
    @DragonuFear Жыл бұрын

    I find health regen good on engineer if you need to set up in a spot away from your dispenser where it takes a while to get back from nearby healthpacks, and even the metal upgrade can help top you up sometimes. The health is the main one though, as you aren't usually directly engaging to make use of health on kill, you can use the extra health regen from spam you soak during repairs.

  • @leonel392

    @leonel392

    Жыл бұрын

    If you are not close to health and ammo you aren't playing Engineer properly, I mean, you whole thing is providing health to your heavy and other big bois

  • @thetexanbuzzsaw3145
    @thetexanbuzzsaw31456 ай бұрын

    Knockback Rage can be used to separate giant medics from their pocket and stop super scouts. Not something to spam/prioritize, but on the later waves/community mvm it's not a bad upgrade.

  • @Kilesfactor
    @Kilesfactor2 жыл бұрын

    Wowie, I didn't know most of these upgrades were broken and valve just never fixed them. Thanks for doing the research, I'll just have to watch this video again to make sure that I don't mistakenly buy something I shouldn't.

  • @btfo420

    @btfo420

    2 жыл бұрын

    it's actually quite simple. If it doesn't help you sustain and do more dmg, it's mostly trash. MVM is pretty much a big DPS check.

  • @Kilesfactor

    @Kilesfactor

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@btfo420 I always got full rocket specialist thinking that it increased blast radius, and I got sentry fire rate thinking that it fucking worked lol

  • @btfo420

    @btfo420

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Kilesfactor oh yea except for those. RS does increase blast radius, on direct hit lol. Sentry fire rate capped out at 2 but 1 is enough if you don't want to wrangler. Also crit canteen and wrangler bypass that firing speed bug for some reasons.

  • @IcyRobloxer

    @IcyRobloxer

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same with me.

  • @quiteabizarreone6441
    @quiteabizarreone64412 жыл бұрын

    on mad milk needles, I always use this upgrade because the ability to heal the whole team at once by just taking out the needle gun and firing 5 shots at a giant takes 2 seconds and is generally very worth it, not to mention it gives medic 10 health on hit so you can use it while retreating if your team somehow dies

  • @ArcherR135
    @ArcherR1355 ай бұрын

    Coming from an Engineer main who’s getting into MvM more, Metal Regen is a GODSEND. Your sentry won’t always be right next to your dispenser, and since your dispenser needs to be up front with the Heavies, Pyros, Soldiers, and Demos to keep them constantly stocked up, walking over to it to get metal can put you in the line of fire, and potentially get you killed. Metal Regen in later waves can keep all your buildings where they need to be, especially on more ammo scarce parts of the map if you happen to get pushed back.

  • @thegamergamerrock1406

    @thegamergamerrock1406

    2 ай бұрын

    Exactly, and when it comes to the mini sentry just don’t put it right in front of the enemies. Put it up high where is can absolutely destroy them, and firing speed OMG against a tank I’ve almost solod like 5 tanks in total.

  • @DespOIcito

    @DespOIcito

    2 ай бұрын

    the time it takes for metal regen to give you a usable amount of metal would be better spent just walking for an ammo pack. it takes too long and you're better off increasing max ammo capacity and moving your sentry closer to ammo packs. the only map i can think of where metal could be annoying is Bigrock if you're pushed out of the cave, but that's literally only because I never play it and don't have the ammo spots memorised. can I ask where you're putting your sentry or for a specific example? it shouldn't be near the dispenser, yes, but good spots are usually not too far from an ammo pack so I'm confused why you'd ever need metal regen

  • @kritty8962
    @kritty8962 Жыл бұрын

    I've got 34 tours and a lot of this information is really useful. I've always wanted a 6 stack to play the default mvm team and nothing different and hearing that knockback rage reduces damage is crazy + also had no idea sentry firing speed was broken either

  • @neutilan1049
    @neutilan10492 жыл бұрын

    2:00 you can still use crit resistance there since mini-crit damage by buff banner soldiers can be reduced with that upgrade too

  • @sealsealin9959

    @sealsealin9959

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly, it works well against flare pyros too.

  • @cytosine6870

    @cytosine6870

    2 жыл бұрын

    Crit resistance also helps with things like sniper headshits, and flare gun and its variants crits/minicrits

  • @MrLeonardord

    @MrLeonardord

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cytosine6870 the robot sniper can headshot?

  • @cytosine6870

    @cytosine6870

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MrLeonardord yeah, notice sometimes you take 150 damage (assuming no resistances) from a sniper shot and hear the crit sound

  • @charlsondemong4922

    @charlsondemong4922

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cytosine6870 I thought sniper bots' headshots are impossible because of their programming?

  • @Anthony74561
    @Anthony745612 жыл бұрын

    I found a niche for health regen, on the final wave of hamlet hostility(the 3 tanks) as a pyro you're mainly not gonna kill the robots, so the health regen helps when you have a bunch of flames and rockets coming at you while working the tank.

  • @realdragon

    @realdragon

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's useful for spy from my experience

  • @Neometalll

    @Neometalll

    2 жыл бұрын

    But robots will be close around the tanks (unless for some reason you let them get inside the city) and with hp on kill you'll still be better.

  • @norrecvizharan1177

    @norrecvizharan1177

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Neometalll True, but either way, having at least a tiny bit is better than nothing, especially since it means that you can still recover in the cases where you take damage but don't get the kill, and there's no nearby medpacks/dispensers to work with (kinda situational, I know, but still convenient regardless)

  • @Donkey_Kinsir

    @Donkey_Kinsir

    2 жыл бұрын

    Its really usefull on Scout aswell. Youll never really kill that much robots, and your main regen source is the dropped blood money. But you have to run around the map quite often and cant allways rely only on the money. Atleast one point in the regen can do wonders.

  • @agentbloon

    @agentbloon

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Donkey_Kinsir but you always have overheal as scout. If you're playing support scout you definitely do not need it. Even if you're playing damage scout it doesn't help either.

  • @Jamie_black
    @Jamie_black4 ай бұрын

    This channel is AMAZING. Love your vids

  • @C0DY420
    @C0DY420 Жыл бұрын

    Honestly, increasing the recharge speed of max milk seems good because it ensures you will have mad milk ready when needed

  • @RealWatermelonCat.

    @RealWatermelonCat.

    Жыл бұрын

    Refill ammo canteens auto refill your milk for 25 credits (either way if you know what you’re doing you will have it ready when you want it regardless)

  • @TARINunit9
    @TARINunit92 жыл бұрын

    "Nobody ever looks up" Fun fact: that's why we have the Barnacles in Half-Life

  • @Ya0w

    @Ya0w

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's a good thing you dont have to look up for those enemies.

  • @ChosenPlayer100

    @ChosenPlayer100

    2 жыл бұрын

    Those disgust me and the main reason why i cant complete half life T_T

  • @name_unkn0wn

    @name_unkn0wn

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ChosenPlayer100 Why? Can't stand to die hentai style?

  • @Monkey_30000

    @Monkey_30000

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ChosenPlayer100 Mod the game to replace them for something else

  • @ChosenPlayer100

    @ChosenPlayer100

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Monkey_30000 well it still disgust me with mods Like the rope mod, gman barnacle and stuff I completely remove them sadly which makes me sad because there is no extra challenge but at the same time i can play the game atleast but thanks anyway Edit: well technically u can remove them in half life 2 (cause source) with easy commands but in half life 1 not really even if i kill them their dead bodies make me sick so i tried finding a disappear after death something mod

  • @bungo332
    @bungo3322 жыл бұрын

    The disposable sentry is good when paired with frontier justice, gets a few kills then dies and gives you consistent amounts of crits

  • @paybafpvzimp6296

    @paybafpvzimp6296

    2 жыл бұрын

    yeah especailly if you can keep building it super fast and always have crits

  • @breadmilkYT

    @breadmilkYT

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah but that requires using the frontier justice which sucks compared to other engie weapons in mvm like the rescue ranger

  • @chpsilva

    @chpsilva

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's useful to cover alternate routes like ghost town, when everyone focus on the main path but let a scout sneak through carrying the bomb.

  • @twiq.2903

    @twiq.2903

    2 жыл бұрын

    Disposable sentry is good for removing engineers and flanking scouts that are too fast

  • @dibs6462

    @dibs6462

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@breadmilkYTWell i dont have the rescue ranger and i don complain about it

  • @Sunkygamerboi90
    @Sunkygamerboi902 ай бұрын

    I think this video is very helpful thanks also love the content keep them coming.

  • @xflasz
    @xflasz3 ай бұрын

    0:37 Holy shit mann in just 2 years you went from 7k to 145k subscribers, That's immpresive and honestly you deserve it!

  • @niftyscrusade4291
    @niftyscrusade42912 жыл бұрын

    I find the "Avoid Rocket specialist and Sentry fire speed upgrades past 2 ticks" as most helpful because engie is generally the most important class in MvM and he needs to be as conservative as absolutely possible and with Soldier, avoiding the higher ticks is just a given because rocket specialist ain't cheap

  • @P.H691

    @P.H691

    Жыл бұрын

    Without engineer, a team falls apart after 10 minutes as the ammo and area of denial is so useful

  • @Treblaine

    @Treblaine

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm not seeing what's so important. The dispenser is useful but I think the sentry's damage output is really being over-rated, even with all the fire rate upgrades that work and wrangler the sentry is still less damage than a Brass beast with a single tick of fire rate increase. And heavy can benefit from marked-for-death minicrits, sentry cannot. Also kritzkrieg. Sure you can use crit canteens but people don't like blowing money on canteens as routine, you can get minicrits and kritz just for playing the game and invest credits in lasting benefits.

  • @btfo420

    @btfo420

    Жыл бұрын

    Engineer is a necessity just because of his dispenser. You can be a lazy boi drinking beer all day and no one will bat an eye because your dispenser is up But that aside, ammo canteen is dirt cheap and ammo upgrade can substitute engie. It cost more money sure, but it still get the job done on maps with lower difficulty

  • @Dushess

    @Dushess

    Жыл бұрын

    So it's worth to buy 1 or 2 ticks of that upgrade.

  • @Ultra289

    @Ultra289

    11 ай бұрын

    Nah, most important one is Sniper... Like the damage he does is ridiculously high and Sniper in mvm isnt hard like in casual, also he can slow down super scout,give mini crit ,destroy Uber medics and even deal damage to tank... Engi dispenser is cool and all, but ammo canteens are cheap and ammo packs are almost everywhere

  • @RustyPExcel
    @RustyPExcel2 жыл бұрын

    Something interesting about the Mad Milk Syringes is that the damage your teammates deal onto syringed milked robots actually builds the medic's uber. It's not much but it's still something. I feel this upgrade is extremely helpful on the Overdose since when my team needs to fall back I can use the boost to escape while marking the giants or robot hordes with milk to help my team survive. It's one of those upgrades that's only worth getting once you got the more necessary upgrades for your medigun first.

  • @imbob99999

    @imbob99999

    2 жыл бұрын

    that is amazing.

  • @cinical7160
    @cinical716011 ай бұрын

    Quite useful, didn't know certain upgrades didn't work after a couple ticks. I'll keep that in mind for later, thanks!

  • @MetalSkeletonViking
    @MetalSkeletonViking4 ай бұрын

    weezy this video is a 50/50 for me dude that is a good thing

  • @WulfieZi
    @WulfieZi2 жыл бұрын

    1:58 Mini crit damage does still count as crit damage though, so you can by one point ($150) of crit resistance if, say, you want to avoid the mini crit damage of those 14 buff banner soldiers.

  • @WulfieZi

    @WulfieZi

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also keep in mind things like Demoknights and Flare Pyros don't need a blue outline to do crit damage

  • @nathanielstanford3115

    @nathanielstanford3115

    2 жыл бұрын

    The way crit damage resist works makes it much less useful against mini crit than you'd expect. It doesn't apply the resist to all the damage of a critical shot, it applies it ONLY to the extra critical damage. This means for a full crit your resist applies to 2/3 of the damage, but for a minicrit it only applies to about 1/4 of the damage.

  • @eduardpeeterlemming

    @eduardpeeterlemming

    2 жыл бұрын

    Is cleaner carbine META in mvm?

  • @rinmen8794

    @rinmen8794

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@eduardpeeterlemming yes it's meta against tanks along with the bushwacka if you're sniper, it's really useful and can be an alternative to a demoman/gas passer pyro (able to pick meds/shred tank)

  • @TheTrueEvilSpud

    @TheTrueEvilSpud

    2 жыл бұрын

    It only reduces the additional mini crit damage though; ie a direct hit rocket is usually 90+32 damage, with two ticks of crit resistance it goes down to 90+16 as opposed to one blast reducing to 68+32. If the soldier is close enough for damage ramp up the difference is greater. You get more for your money from regular resistances. Only exception would be if melee bots have buff banners.

  • @yurisopilnyak9425
    @yurisopilnyak94252 жыл бұрын

    The biggest use of mad milk syringes i've ever found is when your scout doesnt use it himself, and your heavy has to face off against a crit giant heavy, you can't really outheal it, and if your shield isn't up, you can just use the milk to let heavy heal off of it

  • @christianwright7581

    @christianwright7581

    2 жыл бұрын

    Plus you, the Medic, are assisting in not just healing the Heavy, but you're also dealing chip damage alongside that.

  • @scrunckly1333

    @scrunckly1333

    2 жыл бұрын

    thats a very specific scenario

  • @buttsaggington6379

    @buttsaggington6379

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@christianwright7581 but your DPS as a medic will probably be inferior to the damage gained by keeping your heavy alive for a few more seconds

  • @christianwright7581

    @christianwright7581

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@buttsaggington6379 the chip damage isn't the main focus here. What IS the main focus is the Mad Milk getting applied to the robot, thereby allowing the Heavy and anyone else shooting at the robot(s) a good chance at survival.

  • @xailonut8763

    @xailonut8763

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@christianwright7581 so why would you mention the chip damage

  • @thatboisamu_l425
    @thatboisamu_l4252 ай бұрын

    0:36 makes me so happy seeing how far you’ve come weezy

  • @davidcastro1419
    @davidcastro1419 Жыл бұрын

    Haven't played TF2 in like 13 years, so it's really fun to hear about all this mvm tech I've never seen.

  • @loganstrash

    @loganstrash

    Жыл бұрын

    highly recommend reinstalling it, although beware capture the flag specifically does have an annoying amount of cheating bots, beyond that theres tons of new stuff to enjoy

  • @xXshadowkillerXx3
    @xXshadowkillerXx3 Жыл бұрын

    Mad milk syringes is useful if your team has a miscalculation and youre on death’s door step. It gives extra health when evading to the rest of your team

  • @armoredman6941

    @armoredman6941

    Жыл бұрын

    His counter to this would literally be get a better team

  • @someoneelse4811

    @someoneelse4811

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@armoredman6941 Not always possible. Not everyone is a god-tier TF2 veteran.

  • @mariustan9275

    @mariustan9275

    Жыл бұрын

    @@someoneelse4811 True. Sometimes you gotta get things like airblast force when the average tour count is low and you're going to have to carry a bit.

  • @Ultra289

    @Ultra289

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@mariustan9275I mean even high tours are smooth brains too sometimes 😂

  • @1un4cy

    @1un4cy

    11 ай бұрын

    it's for a niche circumstance vs giants, a heavy heals way more with mad milk than a medic could ever heal, even with a max-upgraded quickfix

  • @petemc5885
    @petemc58852 жыл бұрын

    I guess the entire video comes with a big asterisk, as some of these upgrades can be very useful in certain use cases, but things like rocket specialist are so important for people to know about.

  • @dannybeane2069

    @dannybeane2069

    2 жыл бұрын

    I mean some are literally bugged and provide 0 tangible benefit.

  • @petemc5885

    @petemc5885

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dannybeane2069 yeah, hence the “some of” and the comment about rocket specialist

  • @civilsecuritylite12054

    @civilsecuritylite12054

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@petemc5885 Rocket specialist is good on Level 1 already. If you do max it out doe, you can practically clear groups of bots even more quicker and delete Uber meds much more easily. Althrough, that's only if you have money to spare after buying all the other necessary upgrades to stay alive.. and honestly. Getting this upgrade is just "get level 1 or get it to max. Dont keep it at level 2 or anything"

  • @ScoutgamingIguess42069
    @ScoutgamingIguess42069 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for giving me a list of all the upgrades I need to buy

  • @randomdummy108
    @randomdummy108 Жыл бұрын

    pro tip: make sure to increase scout's speed and jump it makes him basically sonic and is useful for dodging attacks to inflict your own attacks (also helps you get melee hits in without taking too much damage)

  • @reviveharambe4536
    @reviveharambe45362 жыл бұрын

    I remember thinking that metal regeneration increased the metal production of a dispenser, that would be a cool upgrade

  • @kirayoshikage4057

    @kirayoshikage4057

    2 жыл бұрын

    Irrelevant upgrade unless your dispenser got destroyed, in which case you suck it up and use one of your instant build canteens for being a noob who lets his building that's not a sentry to go down in MvM.

  • @flyingturret208thecannon5

    @flyingturret208thecannon5

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kirayoshikage4057 Until you meet a bad team, and just pound your head into the wall while the team is busy sitting in the corner, leaving you alone to fend off the fifteen spies & 3 sentry busters, until they need ammo.

  • @kirayoshikage4057

    @kirayoshikage4057

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@flyingturret208thecannon5 when you meet a bad team you press esc on your keyboard and find a better one. I don't know about you, but I don't have time to waste on idiots who are wasting everyone's time in Mann Up knowing full well that they belong in a bootcamp where nobody will care that they can't even remember how to breathe. It's like being "bad" in competitive, who invited you here? Go back to casual and nobody will tell you what to do.

  • @argonhammer9352

    @argonhammer9352

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@kirayoshikage4057 dawg, it aint that complicated

  • @zeldafactstotk

    @zeldafactstotk

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@argonhammer9352same pfp duel?

  • @barfy2650
    @barfy26502 жыл бұрын

    I've always had the opinion that there are genuinely good upgrades that you always, ALWAYS should buy, and then there are the "quirky" upgrades. There's stuff like milk syringes, knockback rage, jump height (on some classes), which sort of entice the player with vaguely cool-sounding names and effects but are either broken or not great and terribly worded; put these alongside upgrades that are straight throwing money in the trash, and you end up with probably half of the upgrades in MvM being a massive detriment to your output without you even realizing. Part of this falls on Valve's shoulders, since it doesn't seem difficult in the slightest to just fix some decade-old bugs, but I personally feel that this whole issue requires a general tune-up of the upgrade menu. There are a couple neat bugs nowadays, like ghost upgrading the Soda Popper and Scottish Resistance, although they usually have such a subtle impact on gameplay that I find it better to just skip over them entirely. Jeez, even the legitimately cool things about upgrades are usually pretty much just a waste of time... Anyways, great video as always, Banna Man Team four to

  • @thedastardlylizard5944

    @thedastardlylizard5944

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sadly Scout's winger actually is worse with jump height. It does like 20 fall damage when you double jump. It IS really good wi speed though

  • @barfy2650

    @barfy2650

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thedastardlylizard5944 True, I didn't think about that. You're also giving up the almighty power of the Mad Milk by equipping it, and the DPS from 5 slightly buffed shots just won't cut it on waves with giant scouts/later waves as a whole compared to the utility of a major chunk of damage returned as health. I do still occasionally use the Winger on early waves, just because it's fun.

  • @yeethappymeta

    @yeethappymeta

    2 жыл бұрын

    my brother maxes out jump height on heavy for no reason at all.

  • @thatrandomcrit5823

    @thatrandomcrit5823

    2 жыл бұрын

    Milk syringes are good, though. That, and knockback rage can be used to push robots carrying the bomb out of bounds, causing the bomb reset

  • @somegalnamedseelpit3713

    @somegalnamedseelpit3713

    2 жыл бұрын

    The fun part about getting the +60% fire rate on Soda is stunning your team by getting max tank damage as Scout.

  • @CyTic5
    @CyTic5 Жыл бұрын

    I needed this

  • @thehunt3rs_
    @thehunt3rs_11 ай бұрын

    As someone who basicly plays Wave 666 nearly everytime i play MvM, i can say that Health Regen is a NEEDED upgrade, because without it even with ALL my resistances AND HOK MAXED, i still get sent to the shadow realm of near-death red health, especially since 9 times out of 10 im going to choose Phlog+Gas Passer Pyro

  • @Otto500206

    @Otto500206

    10 ай бұрын

    Plus, health sources aren't effective as much as WeezyTF2 says. 1) Not having a Medic is more effective in certain situations, like in 666. Better attack > better defence, always. And having a Medic lowers the attack output of a team. 2) In many hard waves, dispensers get destroyed easily because people use it when their health is low and many players still do that even if they are going to be attacked right on there. 3) Health packs isn't effective on MVM just because we need to wait for them after someone takes them.

  • @thepyromaniactf
    @thepyromaniactf2 жыл бұрын

    if you airblast the bomb robot into a pit it resets the bomb at the beginning, this can be very helpful

  • @BETMARKonTube

    @BETMARKonTube

    Жыл бұрын

    Guilty Pleasure: I rely so much on that to save the team. They can kill everything while I keep the bomb at safe distance (or blast it into a pit, if I can). Maybe I just always play with the "wrong team" ^^; (also, I wish someone would cover me, the Pyro, when I do that, because I can count on the fingers on my hands, the times I got supported or healed/shielded by a medic, when I was trying to flank the bomb robot to aim the pit)

  • @imjustapotatoleavemealone

    @imjustapotatoleavemealone

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BETMARKonTube Killing the bots is usually more important than to reset the bomb... If its way behind your team, then you can easily do it without a medic, or send the engi to sit on it; if its right in the front line, then stop wasting your time and your teams resources to reset the bomb. Defending a choke is easy, pushing forward is not at all, its simply a bad idea most of the times. Heavy is slow, engi is vulnerable with buildings in his hand, demo can't place stickies trough a wall or spread it out from the end of the choke, sniper have almost 0 sight on the usually wide spread arena before the choke, and sitting in it is an extremely bad idea.

  • @BETMARKonTube

    @BETMARKonTube

    Жыл бұрын

    @@imjustapotatoleavemealone I have no reasons to not believe you, so I guess I always find the wrong teammates.

  • @imjustapotatoleavemealone

    @imjustapotatoleavemealone

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BETMARKonTube I'm not saying you are wrong. Its just not ideal. Bootcamp is a mess, and somethimes mann up too. Situationally resetting the bomb is a great idea, but its soo situational that its not recommended below expert knowledge. Everything works in mvm, but first you have to know the rules to break them, soo generally its not recommended to do so. Mvm is filled with wrong teammates. I'm not patient enough to deal with it, so i try to educate them instead.

  • @BETMARKonTube

    @BETMARKonTube

    Жыл бұрын

    @@imjustapotatoleavemealone I mean it, I do believe you, because I don't have a team or friends to play with and I always ended up with people who can't keep the bomb away from the base and didn't prioritize the Tanks until it was too late. So I just switched from my favorite class (the Engie) to the Pyro, telling to the teammates: "Focus on the Tank. I can push the Bomb Carrier back". ... a lot of problems could be solved with a bit of communication, but the standard scenario is "they start to chat only when they have to insult someone" (or to spam). So yes. That was my strategy, because it saved the match many times, but as you see, I have no real experience with a working team. That's why I have no reasons to not trust your opinion.

  • @AstroidTea8742
    @AstroidTea87422 жыл бұрын

    Can we all agree the “teleport to spawn” canteen is basically useless.

  • @Raxarion

    @Raxarion

    2 жыл бұрын

    It has its niche in Ghost Town , I usually use teleport to spawn canteen when I run sniper there , because the tele is always on the ground , and during the downtime your teammates use the 2 way tele. In other missions , yea , pretty much useless

  • @antsjp6230

    @antsjp6230

    2 жыл бұрын

    It just sits there. And pleads to god that someone talks about it. Hell, even things like the regens and milk syringes atleast get purchased but tts dosn’t even get bought by newbies

  • @kevinchen5167

    @kevinchen5167

    2 жыл бұрын

    It can work as an emergency "fast" respawn if you're playing a more risky class like spy(or if you're a less experienced player), as opposed to dying and having to spend more than the canteen cost to buy back in (granted it's still relatively useless but it does serve a niche for people/classes that tend to die a lot)

  • @JackTheMech.

    @JackTheMech.

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Raxarion why not killbind

  • @ZorotheGallade

    @ZorotheGallade

    Жыл бұрын

    My teleport to spawn canteen is called killbind

  • @user-bj7bm1jg1y
    @user-bj7bm1jg1y Жыл бұрын

    best channel for advice

  • @birdiementlegen226
    @birdiementlegen226Ай бұрын

    I honestly think disposable sentry is an underrated upgrade. It allows engie to have a bigger area denial, increase his DPS, or still defend while being occupied with sentry busters. Sure, it may be as weak as a mini sentry, but having an extra gun does certainly help.

  • @tahu-tz6re
    @tahu-tz6re2 жыл бұрын

    On mad milk recharge, don't forget that ammo canteens instantly refill your mad milk, meaning that you can always have mad milk when you need it along with getting all your ammo (and clip) in your scattergun refilled. Also about mad milk syringes, it does actually build Uber, and mad milk heals faster than mediguns anyway.

  • @WeezyTF2
    @WeezyTF22 жыл бұрын

    Had to re-upload due to the audio being very quiet compared to my usual videos, thought it'd be best for the long term. Sorry to anyone who was negatively affected, in the future I'll make sure things are good to go before making a video public

  • @qatadasyed8675

    @qatadasyed8675

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ok

  • @PurpleBroadcast

    @PurpleBroadcast

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh thanks

  • @denneboom3507

    @denneboom3507

    2 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the notice, and u make gud vids keep it up :)

  • @boi2415

    @boi2415

    2 жыл бұрын

    It so happened that I played with you (My nickname is Mr.Хэви, I also told you on the micro: I love you)

  • @co5micwaffle742

    @co5micwaffle742

    2 жыл бұрын

    Knockbage rage

  • @sheldonisaacpascual617
    @sheldonisaacpascual617 Жыл бұрын

    What if I bought all resistances already?

  • @sarahwatts8184

    @sarahwatts8184

    2 ай бұрын

    Sell some for weapon upgrades if you don’t need them

  • @NRVNQSRR
    @NRVNQSRR10 ай бұрын

    Thanks for making this video, I'm going to buy these.

  • @kommu6114
    @kommu61142 жыл бұрын

    Knockback Rage and Airblast Power are good upgrades that are used badly. They can be instakillers, last resorts, yada, but people spam them in situations where it only annoys or does nothing for his team. They're NOT useless at all, just wrongly used.

  • @spookyperson7096

    @spookyperson7096

    2 жыл бұрын

    Like what he said in the video?

  • @kommu6114

    @kommu6114

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@spookyperson7096 ye, just felt like pointing it out

  • @rararasputin8608

    @rararasputin8608

    2 жыл бұрын

    I use Knockback since it helps me build some distance with giants and Sentry Busters in case Engi is upgrading.

  • @DJBlackNGold

    @DJBlackNGold

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'll get them if my team is bad about getting pushed back so I can use it on a larger bomb carrier to keep it closer to the drop down. Or if I wanna be a twit on mannhattan and airblast all the giants into the shredder.

  • @Ultra289

    @Ultra289

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well rage is depleted if you die so I kinda understand why ppl use it too early unlike gas passer that doesnt care if you died or not

  • @asxp2433
    @asxp24332 жыл бұрын

    9:20 its actually not as bad as you think, if you just hotswap to it and hit a giant for just one syringe, you can heal everyone attacking it for a surprising amount of hp. this is especially useful for when your heal target is dying too fast to heal and/or if your scout doesnt have mad milk, is dead or is absent.

  • @asxp2433

    @asxp2433

    Жыл бұрын

    @SpizeNice i forgot about this

  • @thunderspark1536

    @thunderspark1536

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@asxp2433But the thing is Uber and shield are both gained from the syringes, and the scout won't always have his milk ready. Hitting a giant once makes it a cakewalk.

  • @autotec-20
    @autotec-207 ай бұрын

    This is one of the videos of all time

  • @Lewcario16
    @Lewcario16 Жыл бұрын

    This channel is very poggers!

  • @co5micwaffle742
    @co5micwaffle7422 жыл бұрын

    I've found that on Gear Grinder, mad milk time upgrades are usually much more useful. Due to the lack of medic in the Expert meta, the heavies are much more reliant on milk being on the bots they're gunning down at point blank. Also super scouts can and will carry the bomb at mach 5 unless you slow them.

  • @jabuticaba4003

    @jabuticaba4003

    2 жыл бұрын

    "The Heavies are much more reliant on milk" is a phrase that makes me think

  • @mountaindewdruggie

    @mountaindewdruggie

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jabuticaba4003 Heavy love malk

  • @co5micwaffle742

    @co5micwaffle742

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jabuticaba4003 heavy need big bones to hold big gun, milk make bones strong

  • @wisechanneler5
    @wisechanneler52 жыл бұрын

    Mad milk syringes actually build uber. Any health restored from the milk will add a little uber to the medic, so using it with a heavy 1v1ing a high damage giant can give you a lot of uber quickly.

  • @Bearded_Badass
    @Bearded_Badass Жыл бұрын

    A reason to buy the health regen, it gives you just a small bit more sustain that if theres nothing else you need it doesnt hurt to buy. I mainly mean for the giant bots, saved me a point capture

  • @SmellyUnfortunate007
    @SmellyUnfortunate007Ай бұрын

    Bananas are just nature's way of keeping doctors employed.

  • @maxswagcaster5315
    @maxswagcaster5315 Жыл бұрын

    So a few things Disposable mini sentry: the mini sentry isn’t very good at killing things, I use it as a diversion to divert bots fire when the get around certain corners on different maps which gives the team time to move to a fall back position or push the bots back towards the front, this is where the disposable is actually useful but this is usually later waves on most missions (including custom missions) Air blast is almost essential on some custom missions, on most valve missions it’s not really that useful if your team is good at killing things but custom missions tend to throw more giant scouts and upgraded meds at you that can be a problem if you don’t have a sniper as well as some bots you might have to pit because they are tough to kill unless you have a damn good team some missions are even designed so you have to pit the bots because their regen makes killing them conventionally impossible, also when playing air blast is stupid useful because I can push the bomb back as much as I want to compensate for me not being able to kill enough things but most of this applies more to custom maps and missions since the valve maps get kinda boring after a while Mad milk syringes also have their uses, I’d agree on Manhattan they aren’t all that good because you can’t arc your shots from spawn into the front line because the front and spawn both have a roof that would block the syringes. Mad milk syringes are best used to spray a group of giants then switch to your medi gun to keep the heal rate up and for aggressive pyros who might be farther away from you

  • @meepXmeept
    @meepXmeept2 жыл бұрын

    Blutsauger + Mad Milk upgrade can heal the medic insanely fast when in a pinch

  • @ollirock_221
    @ollirock_2215 ай бұрын

    this channel is very poggers

  • @lurkerlp
    @lurkerlp Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this advice I will purchase all of these upgrades as soon as possible.

  • @blacklight683
    @blacklight6832 жыл бұрын

    0:01 wha- (*gets brain cancer*)

  • @Cousin_Mosefus
    @Cousin_Mosefus2 жыл бұрын

    4:55 It halves the damage output e.g. 108 crits will now be 54, firing speed stays the same however. As for spy, crit on kill on his knives is obsolete cause Diamondback is a thing, that $350 would be better spent on either firing speed or armour penetration; whichever is missed on your upgrade path for your knife.

  • @danielsurvivor1372

    @danielsurvivor1372

    2 жыл бұрын

    I heard crit on kill is useless since backstabs don't get a dmg boost from this and boosting butterknife dmg is pointless

  • @milliondollarmistake

    @milliondollarmistake

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@danielsurvivor1372 You're right that it's pointless for the knife but it's intended for the revolver.

  • @gabrielraynard8056

    @gabrielraynard8056

    2 жыл бұрын

    except if you use the L'etrange, which is I usually run in MvM. I can't let go of getting cloak and kill some robots at the same time

  • @Cousin_Mosefus

    @Cousin_Mosefus

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gabrielraynard8056 That's also a good one if you're in need for extra duration and/or for cloak poking. Pairs well with Big Earner.

  • @simonnachreiner8380

    @simonnachreiner8380

    2 жыл бұрын

    You see you might’ve had a point. If anyone taking the game seriously ever actually played spy in mvm he basically defines the phrase crippling over specialization.

  • @Spekoun955
    @Spekoun95510 ай бұрын

    Thanks so much you really helped me in mvm thanks man u get sub

  • @terryb0ss98
    @terryb0ss989 ай бұрын

    as a fairly new player that wants to get into MvM, this really helps! thank you.

  • @chuckmann7127
    @chuckmann71272 жыл бұрын

    Mad Milk syringes can actually be pretty good if you utilize their slow travel time to shoot preemptively where an enemy is going to be and switch back to your medigun.

  • @Sephiroth08150

    @Sephiroth08150

    2 жыл бұрын

    This. It also help healing the others since the healing on hit means your attacking allies can get some more breathing room while you arrive with your medigun to heal them. The only tough thing is aiming with it, but otherwise it's not as useless as the video makes it sound. Hell, it can help the Pyros a lot, since as a Medic, you don't want to get as close to the enemies as the Pyros does - so this can be helpful. Again, I am not advocating firing a gun over using the medigun, I'm just saying this isn't as bad an upgrade as the video makes it to be.

  • @sillylocket3122
    @sillylocket31222 жыл бұрын

    Mad milk syringes are good if you don't have a scout on your team. You just need to work on switching your syringe gun and medigun frequently.

  • @deyontemyers4109

    @deyontemyers4109

    11 ай бұрын

    Or...if everything else if filled out My Uber full My shield full Can I just shoot one madmilk syringe it will just take a second or two

  • @inh4855
    @inh485523 күн бұрын

    0:34 You are no longer a small youtuber but still, this channel is very poggers

  • @diamonddawg12
    @diamonddawg129 ай бұрын

    Sometimes I just want to try something fun. But I only do this in boot camps don’t worry. I don’t want to be a burden to my team. Also, wouldn’t it be nice if the game told you the full effect, and you know. ACTUALLY WORKED

  • @Josh-ou2kj
    @Josh-ou2kj2 жыл бұрын

    Hey dude I remember playing basically an entire tour with you! Shit was a blast man, and keep up the good work with these vids!

  • @phoenix-ui9eq
    @phoenix-ui9eq2 жыл бұрын

    I dont even play TF2 anymore but love seeing more nuanced content like this lol keep it up

  • @NexTDesigns

    @NexTDesigns

    2 жыл бұрын

    same

  • @TheToxicDrift
    @TheToxicDrift Жыл бұрын

    Time to help this guy: this channel is very poggers

  • @ineedstarss
    @ineedstarss8 ай бұрын

    This channel is pogger!

  • @weneedmorefacemapsasprofil1593
    @weneedmorefacemapsasprofil15932 жыл бұрын

    Hard disagree on milky syringes, milk heals faster than mediguns, scunts are gonna scunt, there's canteen specialist for spamming ubers and shield is a slight crapshoot. It's a cheap "oh shit" upgrade ala slowdown milk. Also hard disagree on minisentry, it's vital as the gunslinger money engie to prevent all 6 busters from spawning at once.

  • @UnderscoreGamingChannel
    @UnderscoreGamingChannel2 жыл бұрын

    If I recall, sigsegv says (and I've verified), that the second point of Sentry Firing Speed isn't actually "low priority" as you imply in the video. It's actually a backup in case the first point is affected by the bug. You can only upgrade Sentry Firing Speed once (at least as far as the Wrangler is concerned... I forget if the bug behaves differently for un-Wrangled Sentries). Usually, the first point achieves the maximum effect, but if it doesn't work, you need to get the second point or you're missing out on major DPS: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nGais82zotK0gKw.html Also, let it be known that I buy Health Regen when playing as The Spy, since the Spy playstyle I espouse involves focusing on giant robots and getting a relatively low number of kills for the amount of damage you do, and Health Regan can reduce the amount of time you waste retreating to grab health packs in situations where Health on Kill doesn't help you. There are also niche situations where The Sniper and The Engineer can benefit from Health Regen if they are stationed far away from any health packs and Dispensers, since they are relatively stationary classes and Health on Kill isn't very good for The Engineer.

  • @mehmetaktan8527

    @mehmetaktan8527

    2 жыл бұрын

    i finished your spy practice mission i feel like a god

  • @alargeredlizard3003

    @alargeredlizard3003

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can't find anything to reply about this comment so uh, you made a typo. R e g a n

  • @juansebastianpulidovelasco2195

    @juansebastianpulidovelasco2195

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sniper already have the cozy camper, so i don't know if he really need it

  • @alargeredlizard3003

    @alargeredlizard3003

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@juansebastianpulidovelasco2195 well if he needs to use Jarate or Cleaners Carbine...

  • @zagreus3347

    @zagreus3347

    2 жыл бұрын

    What about kunai

  • @Uncle_the_one_shot_kid
    @Uncle_the_one_shot_kid10 ай бұрын

    I LOVE mvm so its nice to see a KZreadr who gives tips on mvm

  • @timhorton8085
    @timhorton80852 жыл бұрын

    Counterpoint to juggle pyro: If your team is working around a pyro with built knock back, they're applying huge burst damage by focusing on offensive upgrades, knowing they don't need to take as many defensive upgrades because of the decreased pressure from the bots. Taking max knockback and a scorch shot with a cracked fire rate can hold entire waves at the spawn gate.

  • @mattf967
    @mattf9672 жыл бұрын

    I gotta disagree with Mad Milk Syringes, sure you're not building Uber or a Shield but you're also not constantly popping either of those so there's a lot of time where you don't need them and are just saving them for the big robot half way through. As for healing people, I find that people can heal themselves better than I can with the Medi Gun because each class will be gaining health equal to 60% of their DPS which is just ludicrous in MvM where soldiers can sneeze 11 rockets in 2 seconds and Pyro pretty much always has crits. The only classes that struggle with this is Scout (who heals by money anyway), Spy (People play spy in MvM?) Sniper and Engie (both of whom are far enough back to mitigate damage received and easily reach other healing sources.) Of course the moment you actually need Uber, Shield, Canteen or to heal someone who can't fight as well such as Engie, Sniper or a low health Pyro you immediately switch back to the Medigun but I can't turn down that much healing for only 200 bucks. The only time Mad Milk Syringes falls off is during crit heavy waves where Uber, Shield and Canteens are so important that you don't really get a chance to apply the Mad Milk.

  • @quiteabizarreone6441

    @quiteabizarreone6441

    2 жыл бұрын

    THIS! THIS IS WHAT IM TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE! MOST UNDERRATED MEDIC UPGRADE, JUST DON'T BATTLE MEDIC WITH IT

  • @Entelarmer

    @Entelarmer

    2 жыл бұрын

    Are we sure that mad milk does not build a shield tho?

  • @offathered2101

    @offathered2101

    2 жыл бұрын

    For me, even despite any boosts it gives the team, it's health to you, which means that if you are caught out and need to fight for your life (and Uber charge) you have the survivability from the sheer health Regen from the damage, I play blutsauger for that maximise health on hit so I don't die and can regroup with the team to carry on healing

  • @lorencokuka5791
    @lorencokuka57915 ай бұрын

    This channel is very poggers

  • @Kingbroly11
    @Kingbroly11 Жыл бұрын

    This is very poggers.

  • @katashi_tf2
    @katashi_tf22 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful video man! I'm really glad I've binge watched all your videos. You make lovely content and I respect it. Keep it up!

  • @hollowlegend590
    @hollowlegend5902 жыл бұрын

    Every single game I've ever played of MvM with a spy, the spy had by far the most deaths and the least amount of damage.

  • @panchofenix9912

    @panchofenix9912

    2 жыл бұрын

    Underscore gaming: is ViAbLe

  • @mehmetaktan8527

    @mehmetaktan8527

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@panchofenix9912 no its viable you just need to know circle strafing and know about robot ai i know its hard to use your brain but try using it

  • @woop6727

    @woop6727

    2 жыл бұрын

    spy is just a difficult class to play but hes definitely viable its just rare to see good spies because you need to know how to play properly

  • @mehmetaktan8527

    @mehmetaktan8527

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@woop6727i hate that some gibus brass beast and heavy and kritzkrieg medic combo can finish the game with over 200k damage while i use my brain and only get 90 k :(

  • @woop6727

    @woop6727

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mehmetaktan8527 damage numbers mean nothing, a bad heavy can still outdamage good players just because hes a heavy, a bad engi can still outdamage because his sentry does the work for him and so on

  • @techmouse.
    @techmouse.10 ай бұрын

    I can explain the 'server tick' problem. It's because you can't divide a server tick. High rate of fire weapons, like heavy's mingun and engi's sentry, are tied to server ticks and there's something like 66 ticks a second and the server fires a shot every X server ticks while these guns are active. So float values are invariably going to be rounded and if the adjusted value doesn't affect the rounded number, then the upgrade did nothing. Upgrade example: +10% firing speed $200 Bought once If the firing speed is 4, then the upgraded value would be 4.4. The floor of this value would be 4. (Again, you can't divide a server tick, so rounding is unavoidable.) That means this upgrade is worthless. Upgrade example 2: +10% firing speed $200 Bought 3 times If the firing speed is 4, then the upgraded value would be 5.2. The floor of this value would be 5. That means the upgrade finally did something. So you spent $600 to finally see a difference of one point. NOTE: This would actually be a 25% increase. That's close to the 30% increase you paid for, but you have to buy all ranks before you'll see it. And that's the best simulation of an MVM upgrade bug. So the whole problem stems from classic float errors and due to the nature of server ticks, this is impossible to fix. At least without completely reprogramming how guns shoot.

  • @ultralightjay7793

    @ultralightjay7793

    10 ай бұрын

    good comment

  • @cheesyminer
    @cheesyminer6 ай бұрын

    As someone who literally just started playing TF2 a few days ago, thank you for this. I've been exclusively playing MvM and I have definitely fallen into several of these traits, especially the resistances and burn damage. Thanks.

  • @darkXwolf1720

    @darkXwolf1720

    6 ай бұрын

    Don’t listen this, most this is just opinion based (some just wrong) don’t do what they want, do what you want.

  • @cheesyminer

    @cheesyminer

    6 ай бұрын

    @@darkXwolf1720 Thanks. However, since resistances were about the only one I'd fall for before watching this, I don't feel bad about wanting to just start maxing out my DPS anymore.

  • @kirbyfreakyt4695
    @kirbyfreakyt46952 жыл бұрын

    7:03 . . . So in other words, when I've been getting firing speed over max health I've been tossing it down the drain. ... *AAAA*

  • @performa9523
    @performa95232 жыл бұрын

    This is stunning- I knew about most of these, but not the one about the minigun. All these years of MVM, and this is the first I've heard of it! Crazy! Have a sub and a great day sir!

  • @punnyperson4663
    @punnyperson46632 жыл бұрын

    You fool the mini sentry and minier sentry combo with frontier justice is god

  • @justsomegenzboi2388
    @justsomegenzboi23882 жыл бұрын

    I can kinda argue the health regen point. But only for one reason. As a medic main I've found it to to be a bit helpful to help keep me alive seeing as i rarely ever have overheal and can practically never get health on kill. Its also a bit of help if my team gets slaughtered and im damaged i can run away while utilizing medic's normal health regen along with the purchased health regen.

  • @yeethappymeta

    @yeethappymeta

    2 жыл бұрын

    doesn't healing mastery increase self heal as well?

  • @awesomesharkguy8534

    @awesomesharkguy8534

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@yeethappymeta *SUPER MEGA HEALING*

  • @lsdave42

    @lsdave42

    2 жыл бұрын

    If I may be completely blunt... If your team is getting slaughtered, you aren't being effective as a Medic, and should switch. It's most likely because either they don't understand about resistances (especially crit res), or else they aren't doing enough damage. In either case, you aren't being effective, and you should switch to Soldier/Demo.

  • @justsomegenzboi2388

    @justsomegenzboi2388

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lsdave42 Yes and no. I que with friends and most matches go well with no flaws. But there are a few times stuff gets hectic and i can't keep everyone alive.

  • @justsomegenzboi2388

    @justsomegenzboi2388

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@yeethappymeta If it does i didnt know that.

  • @krystianlaubach
    @krystianlaubach2 жыл бұрын

    when going the bomber plane Soldier strategy (Air strike + base jumper + any melee) , consider upgrading to at least the 2nd tick of the rocket specialist, because the increased blast radius damage really helps when dealing with swarms of enemies.

  • @1un4cy

    @1un4cy

    11 ай бұрын

    Had this one soldier who did nothing but use the charge shot with the cow mangler, BUT he fully upgraded clip size with nothing in reload speed

  • @_garicas

    @_garicas

    10 ай бұрын

    @@1un4cy ok, this sounds painful to play with

  • @grilledcheesinator55
    @grilledcheesinator552 жыл бұрын

    Being someone with not too many tours under his belt, this has helped me out, especially with resistance spending. Thank you!

  • @3ggheadtf2
    @3ggheadtf22 жыл бұрын

    2:13 I'm a Pyro Main and I dont really play that much MvM, but I found this part very helpful. Thanks for teaching how to not be an idiot!

  • @Ubercentraltf2
    @Ubercentraltf22 жыл бұрын

    Mad milk syringes does build Über and you can also swap from it to your medi gun at any time. Meaning you can heal way more with it.

  • @realchiknuggets

    @realchiknuggets

    10 ай бұрын

    Other commenters say it doesn't build uber, but does build shield

  • @russellbrown6888

    @russellbrown6888

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@realchiknuggetsThose people are wrong, it does build uber.

  • @Fluxxy
    @Fluxxy2 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos a lot, hope you get even bigger. Your videos deserve the attention 😊💕

  • @the1upist
    @the1upist2 жыл бұрын

    Mad milk syringes can be dummy good when taking down giants with your heavy

  • @kirayoshikage4057

    @kirayoshikage4057

    2 жыл бұрын

    Your heavy would benefit more from being healed + having a shield + having a scout that can do same thing already.

  • @washingmachine3772
    @washingmachine3772 Жыл бұрын

    The thing is, sometimes health regen is useful because sometimes the only medic has their medigun shoved up the heavies arse, and if you got 1 health and there’s no medkit or dispenser nearby, sometimes you gotta hunker down and use the health regen

  • @leonel392

    @leonel392

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, but the 30 seconds it takes to give you 60 HP its enough time to run and heal yourself with a health pack, health on kill, Scout milk or Dispenser

  • @Pirateer5
    @Pirateer52 жыл бұрын

    Great video, MvM is probably the only thing i've barely played any of in TF2 and last time I played, I played Pyro and had airblast force, burn damage + normal damage etc. Legit helpful vid, great thumbnail great editing great voiceover 👍👍👍

  • @theforbiddenfruit2300
    @theforbiddenfruit2300 Жыл бұрын

    This channel is very poggers.