Testosterone Enathate Post Injection Pain PIP
In this video I attempt to explain the culprit behind post injection pain and the lumps from Testosterone Enathate.
Manufacturing process: From what I've gathered from others who seem to have an idea of what's going on this is a known issue since the manufacturing of raw Test E which changed in China years back. Bad pip and knots/lumps. There is no way to avoid this unless you get raws or premade gear from a different country that does not use the same method as China.
The Gremlin: Apparently the culprit is the use of phenol/carbolic acid during the manufacturing process which may have changed sometime around 2017. I'm not a chemist so I cannot verify this but feel free share any knowledge you have.
Pain mitigation: Some say warming up the oil before pinning can make a small difference, it has helped me a little. The assumption is the compound is crystallizing making the issue even worse and/or injecting cold oil doesn't help either. It hurts every time, sometimes more sometimes less.
Z pinning method has helped me a little. Pull/stretch the skin over to the side then perform the injection. After removing the needle let go of your skin the oil won't leak as much between the muscle and the fat. If you experience leakage it will feel like the pip is moving down from the injection location, it is not pleasurable by any means. Applying ice to the area may help alleviate pain.
Pip localized at injection location. I've heard applying a heating pad to the injection location might help mitigate the pain. I've heard massaging the injection location might help relieve the pain.
Pin size: Needle size is irrelevant for the main issue at hand. For my needs 1 1/2 inch pins are too long of a needle and causes me more pain than 1 inch not because of the injection but because of the needle size. 30 gauge, 25 gauge, 23 gauge, still knots. Pushing the oil in very slow, still lumps. Quad, glute, ventroglute, delt, pain.
Carrier oils, solvents, and dosage: For me different carrier oils makes zero difference and the same for UGL or homebrew, knots lumps and pain for 7-14 days. Lower concentration, lower BB lower BA, it still causes pain. 1.5ml 1ml .5ml it doesn't matter.
Possible solution: It has been said homebrewing Test E at 110c for 20-25 minutes should allow the phenol/carbolic acid to evaporate. I have yet to hear anybody claim 100% success. This is what I already do so I couldn't imagine it being much worse if this is curtailing most of the issue. People may be overheating and damaging their final product.
Final thoughts: I've heard people trying other esters and having little to no pip. I've heard of other compounds with the enathate esther causing the same pip issue.
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Test Cyp most manufacturers never a problem, used a cut mix with Test E and experienced Gross PIP, thought it was bad gear or I hit something in my quad whole thigh became hot and swollen was limping for a week, I knew that the gear was working I could feel the response but the pain was so bad it disrupted my workouts. Next shot other leg same result. I elected to buy 3 separate component vials and use separately and the same result from the Test E vial. Went back to Cyp. And no problems. I also used Tren E and had slight PIP that I never experienced with Tren A. Makes me wonder if it’s the ester?
This explains everything!!!
Another Excellent video👍
@gearingup5742
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, more to come.
Hey, appreciate the info! I believe I am going through this right now. Test e, some pins from the vial, are fine, other have induced lots of pip. Currently have one very swollen leg and ankle, following a quad shot. Is this in line with what you've experienced?
I have Para Pharma Sustanon 350mg/ml Enanthate+200mg+Cypionate100mg+ propionate 50mg. Did the warming the test pinning insulin needle ventroglute and delts. Painless pinning then next day lump then 2 days later turns red and is warm 4 days lumps gone but just redness it's more like an annoying feeling. I only pin 50-75mg every other day Pip sucks...
test e shot to the delt couldn’t even move my arm
@gearingup5742
4 ай бұрын
That really sucks man. Try and get some C or D if available
I have this problem! PIP 8 days after using proprionate from China (I’m based in Indonesia). Please tell me, how long will this hurt for, and is it going to be permanent? I’m stressing. Barely walked for the first 7 days 🙏
Man my test e crystallized and I still shot it like an Ass hole and I regret it so a lot of people said used test c
It hurts, I can barely walk, get up or sit down 🤬
@mctom00008
2 жыл бұрын
I feel your pip bro 😅
@brasinovic
6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
Using test E from china. No pip.
@gearingup5742
4 ай бұрын
As of November of 2023 local gymbro reported pip lumps and redness with Test E. I've also read in a forum as of February 2024 batches of no pip Test E raws and UGL. I use Test C or D.
It's helpful but painful to listen to. Get a mic change your name and figure out another delivery on your great information.