Leave a question or comment about the library! Happy to answer your questions about specific details, things I like about it, issues I found, etc...

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

I forgot to mention in the video that the library doesn't include a piano, so I had to use a different sample library. But everything else is Berlin Orchestra

Sounds really good Alex, given it is a reasonable light full orchestra! Very nice mock up given it only took 3 hours 👍

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Mark. I'd say at the 50% off sale price, it's a great option, especially for people starting out.

really good for 3 hours!! I've had the library for a while and can say it is very versatile for 400 euros. having 2 staccato options opens up a lot of possibilities. I'm curious about the specifics of the update, I encountered a lot of bugs before that are now fixed, but in terms of legato improvements etc... I would like to know the specifics

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I hadn't touched this library for many months, but from what I recall, the legatos seem a lot smoother now, and closer to the Berlin Mains legatos. I think the biggest thing the library is lacking still is wind / strings accents or marcatos.

Great mockup. Sounds convincing. Some skill to do it in 3 hours....

It’s a mixed bag where some instruments sound great while the trumpet doesn’t sound as good as in Metropolis Ark but it’s a great starting point and Orchestral Tools having an a la carte option for instruments means you can purchase just the instruments you need so if you for some reason don’t like the oboe here then you can always buy the one in Woodwind Series.

Hi Alex, Question for you. I’m really hesitating getting Berlin Orchestra at $399 since I have many libraries as CSW, CSB, BBCSO, Nucleus and others. I’m lacking of good winds, solo strings and just okay for percussion. Would Berlin Orchestral be a good addition or for the same price I could complete my studio cinematic series with CSW and solo strings and not even worrie about getting Berlin Orchestra. I also own Berlin Studio Reverb which I could mimic other mic positions for Berlin Orchestra and blend other libraries. Also Cinematic Studio Series loyalty discount will always be available vs Berlin Orchestra discount ending Jan 31

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

If you like how CSS and CSB sound, I would definitely choose to complete the Cinematic studio orchestra with winds and solo strings. The BO solo strings are really only useful for layering with section strings. If you don't like the sound of CSW, then maybe I'd save up for the full Berlin Winds instead of getting BO now. BO is a good starter library, but it doesn't sound like that's what you need. Hope that helps!

Great mockup, Alex! The library sounds quite a bit drier than the Berlin series does out of the box. Is that your impression as well?

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Karl. Yeah, their mix is a bit drier than what I normally use in the Berlin Mains.

At the 50% off (and if you can get the EDU discount) it's pretty good. I'm still not a fan of the trombones, but they managed to fix a lot of the bugs in the strings (celli especially). Horns, trumpets and woodwinds are all great. I also really like the all in one percussion patches for easy sketching. It was nice to get it for free when purchasing all the main Berlin Libraries last year. The only other issue I feel this library has is that it's direct competition is Spitfire's BBC Orchestra. At regular price it is almost as much as the Pro version of BBC with not even close to the content or quality. Unless you're someone that wants control of all 4 individual players or if you have RAM and storage worries are WAY smaller, it is hard to justify beginners grabbing this over some of the other options.

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

The Trombones are problematic in the regular Berlin Brass too. I actually use the Tom Holkenborg Trombone when I can. I think you're right about BBCSO. I own that one as well, and I think you get more for your money.

I purchased this library two weeks ago and am fully experimenting. I like the results, although there could be a few more articulations and a Close Mic. When you see what the full price is! Question: how best to use this library to approach Divisi with the strings?

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

I would simply add a second track for each string section and adjust CC11 slightly if needed. The strings were recorded with fairly small section sizes so that divisi parts would work.

@frankD.baere-orchestralmockups

Жыл бұрын

@Alex Heppelmann That's what I also had in mind but it's always good to get confirmation from a Pro.🙂

Hey Alex, liked your video and I’m new to composing and orchestrating. Bring new so these libraries look fantastic too me, but having so of them and you can’t arrange is not a smart thing. I’m using Logic and being new I just got LABS and Free Discover and someone got me Hollywood Opus Edition. When I saw this BO Berklee Edition I was looking at what it has and sounds like with single solo instrumentations, which none of the other libraries have. I so badly want to learn orchestrating and it seems so many of you professionals have many libraries and you use them all. So, my superstition to you, Alex, do I just stay with what I have until I get better at this? I’m older than anyone on this page and I want to do documentaries and learn to compose from videos. Thank you. Hot I hear from you soon.

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

Unless money isn't a problem, I recommend focusing on the craft of composition and orchestration. Hollywood Opus should do you just fine for the time being. I have a ton of orchestration videos you might be interested in!

I am really tempted to get this for the upgrade path to the full series at a later time, but I already have BBCSO Pro, Nucleus and HW Orchestra. What would Alex do?

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

Depends on your budget I guess, but I think BBCSO Pro can probably do a lot more than BO. I'm not sure exactly what the upgrade path is to the full series... If you're determined to get the full series, then getting BO might be worth it, I just haven't looked into the details of the upgrade. But you already have a lot of good stuff, I don't think BO gives you much that you don't already have.

@Garlane

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexHeppelmann Thanks for the quick answer, I was thinking exactly that :)

Hi Alex, the music we hear here is that straight out of the box or do you use plugins like compression, limiter.... It's always interesting to see how the samples are mixed.

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

It's been a while since I did this, so I can't remember for sure. If anything, maybe just EQ and light compression.

@hiphop4eva374

8 ай бұрын

He explains in the video at the minute one mark that he didn't do any additional mixing other than very slight compression and limiting.

Are midi and or Cubase sessions included in Patreon?

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately because it's a copyrighted piece, I didn't feel it was right to upload the MIDI file. Sorry!!

To me the long high violin notes from 2:23 to 2:39 sound very synth-y and unnatural. I wonder why that is. You'd think long sustained notes would be the easiest ones to sample so that they sound like what they're supposed to sound like.

One more question; the instruments in this library are pre-balanced, as they say. It is explicitly said for the sake of this not to use CC7 but what with CC11. Are you using CC11?

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

I use CC11 occasionally to soften attacks or to compliment CC1 data. I never use a lot, unless I really need to compensate for something lacking in the library, or some balancing issue that I've noticed. I think using CC1 exclusively is probably fine most of the time

Wow you really must love Joe so much haha! ;)

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

I also had the MIDI file for this ready to go, which probably saved me many, many hours of work!

Hey, Alex. Thank you for the mockup. I think that maybe the strings and woodwinds are not good enough to make somebody pay about 849 €. If I compare it with Hollywood Orchestra Opus Edition, whatever the prices or the sample library quality, maybe the Hollywood would be better.

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

At full price, I wouldn't recommend this. But at 50% off, I think it's very competitive with some of the other big ones out there.

@-Meric-

Жыл бұрын

Opus woodwinds are famous for being the weakest and most lacking part of opus while conversely Berlin woodwinds is probably the most praised and powerful aspect of Berlin

1:37 The music starts here

What would you choose between this and BBCSO Core, if you could only use one?

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what the upgrade path looks like from BO to regular Berlin Mains... if it's decent, I would pick BO (at sale price only). But if not, then definitely BBCSO Core because I'm pretty sure the upgrade to BBCSO Pro is reasonable. BBCSO Core seems more polished, has way more articulations, and is a lot cheaper. On the other hand, BO has individual instruments (flute 1, 2, etc...) has bass clarinet, contrabassoon, and I prefer the SINE player over the Spitfire one (but that's personal preference, a lot of people hate SINE).

I'm actually seriously considering buying Berlin Orchestra (BO) at the discounted 399euro price. I own BBC Symph. Orch. Core (BBCSO) but am not totally satisfied with it. BBCSO's horns in particular are subpar IMO, and several of the legatos just don't feel right, among other things. (plus I prefer the overall sound of BO, which is of course a personal preference.) I'm at the beginning of my journey into composition/orchestration and the main thing that appeals to me about BO is having control over individual woodwinds, individual brass, and solo strings (none of which I have in BBCSO Core). That'll allow a novice like me to experiment with individual instrumental combinations. So, you mentioned that you did not like the trombones in BO, and that the library is lacking wind / strings accents or marcatos. Are there any other glaring negatives to this library?

@AlexHeppelmann

Жыл бұрын

Having individual control over the instruments (flute 1, 2, etc...) was what brought me to OT in the first place, so I completely understand that sentiment. The trombones are OK, but the dynamic crossfading on the sustains, especially into the forte dynamic range isn't great. Overall the winds lack forte dynamics (which is a problem in the Berlin Woodwinds as well). You don't get too many string articulations, so that's a bit limiting. I find the way that they organize percussion in BO to be somewhat annoying, although others have said they like it. Honestly, for the sale price, it's not a bad option. If you could somehow get the student discount on top of that, I'd say it's a bargain. And maybe eventually build up your collection of Berlin Mains when you can.

@jade8538

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexHeppelmann Thx for the helpful insight. I can’t get the student discount, but at 399euro I still feel it’ll be a worthy investment. Regarding the lack of string articulations, If I really need some of the articulations that BO lacks I can readily load in my BBCSO Core and try to blend the two libraries. I also dig OT’s environment where you can buy individual instruments if you really need, say, that alto flute. Regarding sound...I find that BBCSO sounds marvelous when I hear large ensemble or tutti passages, but when instruments are heard alone, naked, they fail to impress. BO is derived from Berlin Mains so I'm hoping BO will retain much of its big brother's overall sonic stamp!

This is great libary.