cant wait to see this widely adopted by the whole industry. It makes anything else out there look like antiques.

@CHIEFSFAN1969

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely does and makes me glad I didn’t order an e-bike 2 days ago. Bicycle technology is perfected while E-bike tech is still moving at light speed. Can’t wait to see where it is in a couple years when I actually buy an e bike.

@federaldelii

11 ай бұрын

Wondering if it is effective only with the motor power. 🤔 Let’s see it how it rides with the motor off. Would it be hard to pedal like that? I can pedal my e-bike with the motor off many times in a ride.

@pawelodz8050

11 ай бұрын

Totally agree. Rest is medieval technology. Even fancy new Sram looks like from XX century 😂

@krusch75

11 ай бұрын

@@CHIEFSFAN1969 Wouldnt wait years to get an ebike anyway. For me it was a game changer, more of the fun stuff on every ride. There will always be improvements. Sitting on the fence waiting is imho wasted time youl never get back. I was hoping for a gearbox like this. But il wait at least to gen 2 arrives before buying.

@smtkelly

11 ай бұрын

excited for this but since I have a fairly new emtb (2 years old) so I'll be waiting for gen 2.

I’ve been using the Pinion gearbox version on a priority 600 bicycle with a 500W front hub motor for 2 years now. Only cleaned the bike twice and not even changed the oil. Zero maintenance and the gears are perfect. The belt is still in great condition. Pinion gearboxes are seamless. If this MGU is half as good as the gearbox I’m using, I’m all in. Would never go back to chains and cassettes again.

@reagag

11 ай бұрын

I'm in the process of doing something similar, with the priority Apollo and a front hub (will be buying the bike soon and am looking at hubs). What is the top speed that you get on your 600? Any worries about the front fork spinning out? I'm wondering between the 600 and the Apollo which would be the best option for a 20 mile each way daily commute. Any response would be greatly appreciated haha. Cheers!

@reagag

11 ай бұрын

One more question: how come you decided to go with a front hub instead of the more traditional rear hub? At least with the Apollo, it has the igh so you can't do that, but with the pinion gearbox you now have that option.

@tarstarkusz

10 ай бұрын

Are the pedals directly connected to the chainring or does your pedal power go into the gearbox and then back out through the gearbox? What happens when you're out and the battery goes flat? Whatever gear you happened to be in, you're now stuck in? The removable chainstay required for a gates belt drive is not as strong as a normal chainstay.

@keithjackson4985

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for this information.

@usa3105

5 ай бұрын

@@tarstarkuszread the description after the battery dies you can shift 1,000 times when there isn’t enough battery to propel the motor

Absolutely revolutionary, I’m in ……… once in a while a product comes along and you’ve just got to have it !!

Wow. I've had a Zerode MTB for 4 years. Not the fastest bike I own, but still my favorite. Hats off to Pinion for this new product. As a mechanical engineer, I will have to get one.

@MrChadx1

11 ай бұрын

I have a Zerode Katipo with Pinion c1.9 gearbox and love it. I have a full suspension eMTB as well (Pole Voima) and if Zerode or Pole put this in either of their bikes, I'd buy it tomorrow.

I’ve been wanting this type of ebike for years now. Very exciting to see someone finally doing it.

congrats, Rob, for being able to test this amazing tech so soon! Hope you will be able to test it in real conditions soon.

Great video! 👍 Makes so much sense having a gearbox with the motor.. eliminating the rear mech & cassette. Also, belt drive looks amazing. Honestly, I'm surprised it took this long for someone to develop this technology. The future of emtb for sure....

@rpgPalette

11 ай бұрын

My dream bike is the one that does not need maintenance, lubrication, repairs, including suspension with zero maintenance, and tubeless, liquidless tires. Like an electric car, but a bike.

@akacicaa

11 ай бұрын

​@@rpgPalettesame for me.

@MainelyElectrons

11 ай бұрын

@@rpgPalettepretty sure that’s impossible. There will always be some amount of maintenance.

@brendandor

11 ай бұрын

​@@MainelyElectrons let dreams be dreams 😂, but tbh most bikes can survive without maintenance for a very long time. It isn't ideal, but I frequently see people riding around on full on red rust coloured gears and chains. It's miserable but very possible if you change your perspective.

@bastian6173

11 ай бұрын

I'm surprised as well. Especially surprised why Bosch didn't come up with this. They should have all the knowledge inhouse to build something like this. But then maybe bike gearbox technology really is so sophisticated and advanced? Idk... could explain why there are so few internal gearing systems on the market, Rohloff, Pinion, Shimano... and a few more but that's about it. I can this Pinion system to be widely adopted in 2-3 years... this is a huge step

This has been a long time coming, this is definitely the future of MTB'ing. Great review Rob, keep them coming 😊

Completely amazing. I LOVE my priority 600 pinion that I converted to a gravel bike and would never go back. I have been delaying e-bike purchase until this happened. This will completely dominate the industry. So superior to a derailleur system. No comparison.

Belt drive and Rohloff hub on my cargo bike is so great. Effectively zero maintenance and super easy shifting when in motion or stopped. They actually say to do nothing to the belt, not even lube it because the carbon is self-lubricating. So I can totally imagine this Pinion setup being phenomenal for MTB.

@federaldelii

11 ай бұрын

Yeah for cargo bikes this is more useful motor

@jameshenderson3687

11 ай бұрын

I’m a bike mechanic and a customer of mine has a r+m bike with a belt drive. Only replaced it two months ago after around 20k miles as a precaution

@babybirdhome

11 ай бұрын

That’s the setup I’m planning to do with my Trek Rail 7 sometime before next season. It’s been a pain because I haven’t found anyone else who’s done one, but from everything I’ve been able to identify on it, there’s no reason it shoulnd’t work and make for a brilliant EMTB. But this? Man. I guess time will tell but if it’s as good as the normal Pinion and Gates drivetrain is on the Priority 600x, I could be pulled away from the Bosch system.

@Maddack

11 ай бұрын

My R&M Gates carbon belt wore out at 12k km. I did not stress it. Normally 80+ cadence.

Looking forward to seeing your extensive trail test on one of these bikes Rob. The drive train looks incredible!

@federaldelii

11 ай бұрын

Yeah. Wondering if it is effective only with the motor power. 🤔 Let’s see it how it rides with the motor off. Would it be hard to pedal like that? I can pedal my e-bike with the motor off many times in a ride.

@brendan1

11 ай бұрын

@@federaldelii I was wondering the same.

@dft1

11 ай бұрын

@@federaldelii why? most never ride with motor off

@babybirdhome

11 ай бұрын

@@federaldeliiShouldn’t be any different than a normal e-bike. The Pinion and Gates system on non-e-bikes works brilliantly so this shouldn’t be any different than that.

@federaldelii

11 ай бұрын

@@babybirdhome When we see the test we can be sure how it works

Tried all the ones at the show. My opinion (based on flat busy test track) is the Bulls single pivot low speed version feels comfy I like this suspension. The full speed 45 KPH flyer is a real contender for my next bike, shame it costs 10K. The reason I like it as opposed to the weight conscious Bosch SX 120 RPM cadence is the pinion 900 Watt has a low Candance to reach and maintain the 45 kph speed. When I can get my hands on the flyer back at their base I will try it on steep climbs. Also note that Bulls have a high speed version as well and is 2k cheaper. 2024 delivery. I congratulate you Rob On realizing the obvious which seems to gone over the heads of the EMBN crowd that this system to going to be a Massive game changer for the Mass mobility market.

Great video, thanks Rob. Can’t wait to see that tech become more widely available, and, hopefully, less expensive. Game changer.

I've been on a Zerode that runs a Pinion c.9 for 4 years now and have been looking forward to this coming out. I have also got the belt drive and it does require a little silicon spray once every couple of weeks through the dry months to keep it quiet. I love the gearbox and it is hard to go back to a clunky derailleur with its chain slap, vulnerabiliy to getting smashed and it needs a retune if you just look at it funny. Whereas the pinion is always a perfect shift and very low maintenance! Very exciting and thanks for the review!

@Andomaca1

11 ай бұрын

You are close to the Zerode boys, is there an E Katipo being masterminded?

@NewZealandMountainBiking

11 ай бұрын

@@Andomaca1 The best thing to do would be to keep your eyes on their socials or join their mailing list to keep up with the latest 👀

@MrChadx1

11 ай бұрын

I have a Zerode Katipo with Pinion c1.9 gearbox and love it. I have a full suspension eMTB as well (Pole Voima) and if Zerode or Pole put this in either of their bikes, I'd buy it tomorrow.

@graememcinnes

11 ай бұрын

@@Andomaca1 went on a ride with the Zerode founder about two weeks ago. Already has the CAD design completed, expects to receive a motor from Pinion in about 2 months to build a prototype which has also been funded. Only caveat is I understand there is a two year moratorium on market wide availability from Pinion due to licensing constraints (a number of European brands funded the dev so they have exclusivity). So I would expect them to start announcing availability next year maybe

@dragos2978

6 ай бұрын

I have some inside info about Zerode + Pinion MGU. In 2024 will be some presentation about their product , and in 2025 will be on the market . Until then ..simplon , bulls rotwild ... are some brands that will lounch for sale next year.

Wouw, you're the first I've seen, that had the opportunity to test this motor ! Hope to see more of this in off-road testing. 👍 Good work 👍

Love this, Rob ! Looking forward to your proper testing and feedback on MTB trails.

I think I want one.

@border304

11 ай бұрын

Too noisy imo. Bodes well though.

@oci464

11 ай бұрын

I know you do. This is IT.

@border304

11 ай бұрын

Review yesterday in German and noisy as hell. Plus the changes between 4/5 and 8/9. Looks promising tho

@davidsuzukiispolpot

11 ай бұрын

I KNOW AI want one.

@lakaldrak

11 ай бұрын

​@@border304cool we get IT so dont buy IT.

I rode it on the EUROBIKE too, but couldn't use it on a trail either, it is so quiet when bunnyhopping, the shifting is perfect and OK in the mentioned gears, I didn't like the motor assistance characteristics and dynamic but it is possible to change settings. I LOVE IT! Stoked to see more to come and love your detailed reviews

@topchoice1621

11 ай бұрын

Why no trail riding

Lucky you testing this bike almost alone without other bikers around you. And lucky me at last finding someone trying out the new system and answering all my questions (about the feeling, the noise from the engine and shifting the gearbox and about the drag over the cutting-off speed). Many rewievs I saw but nobody yet did s t f u to make it possible to listen to the noises coming out of the MGU. Thanks a lot! 🙌 One thing I really like about the MGU is that shifting is no longer independent from the engine. Since it's one unit it seems to work very well together. No more tricks as pulling the brake lever to interrupt the engine for smooth gear changes necessary 🤗

Rob, Among the ebike channels on You Tube. Your channel is the one that I trust the most. I also read and review other channels and articles. But it was your outstanding reviews of various ebike motors that influenced me which ebike motor I selected to power my custom built Retrotec gravel ebike.. I chose the Bosch Performance Speed. But, even if you are skeptical, this Pinion ebike motor is a paradigm shift in ebike motor technology, ebike design and philosophy. Pinion reinvented the heart of the ebike. Before, Pinion's ebike motor, ALL ebikes have their motor and drivetrain separate. In fact one could argue that the gearing drivetrain is an antiquated system trying its best to adapt to the ebike motor's capabilities. With Pinion, the ebike motor and gearing are now unified. That is like discovering the holy grail of ebike motor design. Pinion's new ebike motor , made ALL previous motors old, antiquated and second tier. I have been cycling since 1974, and has grown jaded to all the hype of cycling component makers. But, however you package it, Pinion's ebike motor is no hype. This is a truly revolutionary product, and a true game changer. I think, the only biggest hurdle for its domination of the ebike motor market, is its price. I could not wait for your intensive testing and review of this ebike motor. Thanks!!

Love to see more belt drives. Add a gearbox+motor combo and I'm stoked! Looking forward to gen 2 when they hopefully can raise that low hanging spring assembly and reduce the noise. I've been sticking with my Levo as I love the low noise on power among other things. This system definitely has some big advantages though.

@border304

11 ай бұрын

Feeling the same. Can't justify changing from my Levo but very interested in future iterations. Now we just need fancy non air solution tyres.

@rangik7221

11 ай бұрын

Awesome! I better start saving for one. What's it like to pedal if the battery runs out. I have a belt on my commuter bike and it's great regarding riding and no maintenance, getting the back wheel off is a pain but it would be easier with a mtb.

I can't wait to come out ebikes with this gearbox. Wonderful! 🎉

This is absolutely epic and is exactly what I’ve been waiting for!

This is some awesome tech, game changing even! I'd like to comment specifically on the belt: I have a Pinion Gearbox on my hardtail MTB with a Gates Carbon belt. I also have a single speed MTB with a Gates belt, and they have both been great. The belts last about 3 times as long as a chain. They are built to automotive standards. However, the fibers are arranged to be strong lengthwise, not necessarily widthwise. So when handling the belts, you need to be somewhat careful with them. Folding them, prying them into place, twisting them while in place, or banging them into rocks can potentially damage or weaken them. Also, in dryer climates they do start to squeak a bit and need to be sprayed with silicone lubricant after about every 50 miles or so. Pouring water on it stops it for a few miles, but the silicone spray really helps. You do not need to clean the belt before spraying it, a dusting of material along with the spray seems to be helpful out here in the desert. Take care of your belt and it will take care of you!

I like your honest enthusiasm.👍

Fab progression for the future of biking. Really want to ride one to try out, what a great future to look forward to.

Want!!! This tech is finally maturing! FYI, the last versions of a Gates carbon belt lasted me - in city conditions - over 7000 miles, and - until the bike was stolen - looked like it had at least that much left in it. Had to adjust only a couple times, specially after initial stretch.

Sounds genius. Now I got a C1.12 Pinion on my daily bicycle. To get an e-bike with the same setup, will be so fantastic.

That’s class!!! Can’t wait for it to enter the market

Amazing tech and fantastic video, thank you.

Really excited to see this kind of tech come to the bicycle world, i've experienced DCT on a motorcycle which is very similar in terms of how it functions for the end user. I hope to find one that is actually sold in my market that I can *afford* ! :D

Just ordered mine, can't wait!

total game changer. I have ridden the pinion for 5 years on a zerode Taniwha.. this will completely revolutionise the way e bike ride

@MrChadx1

11 ай бұрын

I have a Zerode Katipo with Pinion c1.9 gearbox and love it. I have a full suspension eMTB as well (Pole Voima) and if Zerode or Pole put this in either of their bikes, I'd buy it tomorrow.

Very interesting. Great video and explanation Rob!

So sick can’t wait for the emtb gearbox revolution!

I have been an early adopter for pinion, running a p18 on an Azub ti-fly, custom built as this combo was not available. Unfortunately I have a hub motor that is no longer in production. Would love love love this! This will really help out with disability builds as well.

Yesss! Pinion, I'm in! it can be as loud as a 2-stroke for all i care and it can clunk all it wants as long as it's not damaging itself. practically anything beats a bloody derailleur

Yeah thanks Rob. This is looking really good. A reason to buy another bike for sure. I'm not bothered by the noise. As a decision criteria, that's way down the list for me when it comes to a step forward like this

Wow how has this bit of gear been kept quiet, it's the future already, great video as always Rob

Very impressive ! Keen to see the durability of the teeth of the gears under super stress of climbing heavy tracks. Also any slippage of changing gears when accending up a heavy track which could cause some issues

Good honest review. The tech out weighs the clunk and slight motor noise by far. Cant wait to own one.

Would love to see this product rob in more bikes 😊👍❤️🇬🇧fantastic ideas, neat practical longevity noise etc😉👌beautiful. I think ill wait a bit 😂😂😂

I kept expecting your car park demo to end in tears!

KZread channel cyclingabout has quite a bit information on gates carbon drive maintenance and wear on sprockets and belts. I seem to remember 30,000 I'm on 1 belt and maybe a couple of sprockets over that time. I think this integrated system just makes sense it looks great. I wouldn't worry about the noise and the clunks. After all there are 12 gears in there doing all kinds of wizardry. I would love this system on my Dutch bike, and I'm not even joking. I have a front hub motor and a nexus 7 geared hub at the back. It's great but that stem you have reviewed is just incredible. Thanks for the video

I’ve had a Gates belt on my single speed for 8 years. It’s still going strong. When the belt/rings get dusty, they do squeal. Nothing that a squirt from the water bottle doesn’t fix.

This looks so cool! Sounds good too!

Awesome technology/ review. I want this in my next nicolai!!!!!!

can't wait for a trail test on this one

I would imagine the marketing materials for this would use terms like "smart drivetrain", which it does seem to provide. Reducing the distance between the gearing and the power source (which includes both motor and rider), AND resulting in better weight distribution, ... yep. This IS the way!! BRAVO Pinion!

Great video. Looking forward to a 5 or 6 gear lighter version for commuter bikes and even folding bikes!

I've ridden a pinion gearbox hardtail about 4,000 mi over the last year, and with the manual shifter it has the same clunk between 4-5 and 8-9 as with this combined unit. I was hopeful for this technology update before I would buy an ebike (I'm 66 with one new knee and a second coming). My biggest complaint was the manual shift grip shifter. Re the belt, a spare is so light and easy to take along. They are pretty bulletproof as long as you keep the tension correct (there is an app for your phone that can tell when you twang the belt if the tension is good or not), and with the auto tensioner this bike has, I assume due to the rear suspension, you don't have to worry about it. I ride dusty roads alot and you do get a bit of a squeaking sound when the belt gets dusty. A squirt of water on the belt and the squeak goes away. Now I just have to muster the money and get over the shock of these expensive e-bikes... Thanks for the great review and bringing to our attention.

This is a game changer! I look forward to this hitting the market.

@jonaswhale6451

10 ай бұрын

Trendy , Gamechanger hollowwords .

Looks good, I want one. Finally some nice innovation in the mtb space.

best start saving for one now.... cant waittttt!!

GREAT STUFF thanks for bringing this content to us. I have 2 questions, 1. do you think the drag will affect the range.... 2. Have I been putting my ergon grips on wrong this whole time.....

THIS! This is the future! I've been saying for the last 2 years this is inevitable and going to be amazing, gearbox+ebike. Can't wait for a few versions down the road with lighter batteries, lighter motors and gearbox, we'll see full power aggressive enduro bikes under 40lbs. Can't wait!

Such an exciting developmemt for the EMTB community. Looking forward to some real trail testing videos.

Seems like it's a 3x4 box. Like a Rohloff hub, some gears are louder than others. This makes sense on an EMTB becauses the losses you get from belt drive and gearbox don't really matter - until you go above the limit of course! Definitely a technology to watch.

Great concept and video! Can’t help but think the display is so much like your beloved Bosch Kiox 🤣 2:34

It would be good to see a video with more info about this motor+gearbox topic from Eurobike. I've heard that few other brands are working on similar units too (Bafang, Okawa, Intradrive, Revonte, FEV, Valeo etc.)

I’m impressed with this technology and product development process it’s just what I’ve been waiting for I like e-bikes but there was always something that held me back from really going all out for one and I think this is it

Needs a skid/ bash plate. I love it ! ACDC. What gear noise. Lol😂 Bring it on !🎉

it's so awesome that you can shift under load!! Imagine being on a techy climb and beingable to shift while pedalling

0:55 imagine this combined with Garmin Edge navi and heart rate monitor constantly reading the terrain and your effort and adjusting gear ratio accordingly... PARADISE

I'm getting one as soon as this system is available on a bike for my style of riding.

ABOUT TIME!!! I don't understand why this hasn't come about sooner. Yamaha and other motorcycle manufacturers have been building integrated motor and gearbox units far longer than the 65 years I've been around, electronics should actually make that easier. As a retired machined parts inspector for Boeing my Dream bike is a Pole Voima with the Pinion drive!

This is the type of tech I've been wanting in a Ebike.

Bought an Autobike 30 years ago. It uses three weights on the rear spokes. As centrifugal forces build with increased speed it moves the derailleur up the gear set, and then down again at lower wheel speeds. It works very well even after all this time with no real added weight and no electronics, and cost roughly 1/30th of this.

I genuinely don't want anything new until this or something comparable is standard. This is amazing.

Good presentation. Thank you. Exciting times for e-bike enthusiasts. Details of motor output and battery set ups please.

Interesting tech. Hopefully there's going to be trail test/reviews soon.

7:28 I wonder if some of the draggy feeling is the loss of efficiency inherent in belt drive. Having electric assist to overcome those losses, dropping the fragile derailleur and leaving behind an oily, slappy chain is worth it to me. Oh, and getting intelligent gear shifting even at standstill and moving all the weight to the middle of the bike. Sign me up (assuming I win the lottery).

Pole or gearbox tech that is now the question for me . After riding a Deviate Guide for the last 3 years it will probably be the gearbox bike!

I'm glad it seems like you can shift under load while pedaling. that was one of the main factors about the pinion gearboxes that i did NOT like for the longest time. you had to stop pedaling to shift gears and when youre on a tight and steep switchback, that really kills your momentum, hell, it even sometimes kills it on traditional derailleur and chain type drivetrains when they sometimes skip under heavy load

This is exactly what I was hoping for a year ago. Exactly, not almost, but exactly. Integrated Pinion gearbox with an electric motor, and use a belt drive. The weight off of the rear wheel, the lack of fragile derailleur, the low maintenance belt and gearbox, the possibility of automatic shifting. Top stuff! I also agree with some others that in my opinion (pun intended?) in 5 years this will be the default setup for the top e-mtbs.

Would be interesting to get a suspension guru on to explain the anti dive anti squat etc advantages of having a single chain pathway regardless of the gear you are in. I’d think you could seriously enhance the rear suspension kinematics with this unit. Although I agree that spring hanging down needs a serious bash guard!!

@zacharypaulin161

11 ай бұрын

You need squat and dive. Anti or not anti you still need it

Looking forward to a trail and range test.

This is the stuff I am looking for. Cut the noise levels down a bit and re-align that coil part so it doesn't get damaged on a rock and it should be good to go :)

nice job Rob

I’ve been waiting for this for years. E-bikes have finally got to where they should be!

Thanks for the insight Rob

The sound it makes made it cooler.

5:16 It's not a version one.11 years ago they announced E1.8 pinion drive system to be released the following year in 2013 with Nicolai Ion20 Mountain E-Climber. Then it didn't happen and they stayed eerily silent ever since. Something must've stopped them then and they worked on improving it I guess. So it's safe to say it has been in development for over 12 years at least.

This is what I've been waiting for.

Something to look forward to….👌👌👌

The burning question is? When are they gonna be on the market? Looking forward to your trail test 👌👍

@aitorbleda8267

11 ай бұрын

Also parts and sw availability, including owners and not just partners.

Kidneys already up for sale to fund a Simplon, when they release it onto the market. Liked the Rotwild set up too, apart from their adoption of chain and chain ring as opposed to belt drive; seems counterintuitive to me to add consumables to the drive chain when the idea of the Pinion system, from the start, is to be “maintenance free”. Great review; watched it three times now, as well as hitting the Subscribe button.

I''ve been looking forward to this type of thing coming out, especially with the electronic shifter. I seriously doubt I can afford this in a bike any time soon, but this is still great. I love that they've put a belt drive on it as well. My biggest worry is what happens if the electronics die in the highest gear - are you stuck in 12th until you get to a mechanic or will it automatically end up in 4th? If that happens on a trial, I'd much rather it be stuck in 4th than 12th.

@babybirdhome

11 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure you’d be stuck in whatever gear it was in when it died, but it’s hard to imagine anything failing in it.

@zdeneknovak5276

11 ай бұрын

@@babybirdhome You can snap your cable. I hope there is some override... Bluetooth?

another awesome video Rob!!! I would love to see a comparison with the bosch cx...Rob did you try the boost button?The only questionable thing that I saw was the belt tensioner spring is lower then the motor skid plate...Cheers!!!

I've been waiting for this. E-bikes can go no other way. The motor makes up for the few shortcomings of gearbox/belt.

I've been waiting for Pinion to enter the EMTB game. This will change the game as the manual version was cutting edge also!

Nice of course! 🤙 However, I'm still waiting for that light-weight 7-spd IGH e-shifter by Kindernay VII. Sure, don't want the unsprung mass increase, but can be easily paired with any motor for flexibility and decrease motor complexity if something goes wrong. Plus, for the lighter Emtb class, can still get the streamlined motor mount and downtube. The new future battle e-IGH v. geared e-motor? A good one sure!

This looks really nice. I know that most or all of the Ebike motor companies are working on similar tech and will be coming out within the next couple years. I expect this Pinion system is the most expensive, but we'll see.

Alright! I agree it’s the future. I looked at a gravel bike years ago that used the pinion and was blown away. It just makes sense to goto this as long as it improves the industry. The manufacturers are so vested in their products that it will take MTBRS switching over in a big way for them to conform. It reminds me of Teslas and how they have started the manufacturers to have to start producing their own lines of electric cars. I’ll switch when it becomes feasible for sure.

Rob, that drag over 25kph is an important matter. Please remember to come back to that when you do a long term test. I believe there’s a “Bulls” frame with this E-Box or whatever it’s called: will you get a Ho on that, maybe?

It's a beautiful thing!

Completely normal for the lower gears to be more noisy as they have to spin much faster to gear down the motor. Higher gears will have ratios closer to 1:1. This is gearbox motor combo we've all been waiting for for years!

i love make the world better innovation!

Do the sprinting gear changes next to a derailleur shifting ebike and see which one you hear most, that is if the derailleur bike doesn't snap its chain.

I know you were mostly reviewing the motor and gearbox. Still I was wondering in its current iteration how solid is the bike frame? Are the brakes hydraulic? How well does the bike handle spills? Over time will the mud and dirt scratch up the chain stay? How does it perform on he downhill? In the rain? What does the entire bike weigh?