Chinese EVs aren't actually even EVs. In the "battery" they have 3 little goblins chained to bikes, and the gas pedal whips the lil' guys to make them go faster. We need a $20T tarrif on all Chinese cars because of this.

@milos1967

Ай бұрын

It's true. Biden doesn't want you to know this.

@lifealchemy1218

Ай бұрын

They’re up to THREE goblinpower now?? There’s no way the rest of the world can compete with that power.

@jc9938

Ай бұрын

@@lifealchemy1218smh three goblin power is too much to give to the American public. These cars need to be handled like how Japanese motorcycles were taken down a notch back in the day.

@tannerfilms7900

Ай бұрын

Not far from truth when you look at the child lithium mines

@gnm4

Ай бұрын

Lol foreal, sad to see that Atrioc is really uninformed in this topic if he thinks China is actually ahead in EV tech.

But at what cost???!!!!

@tb4076

Ай бұрын

China just found the cure for cancer...

@sagehoge

Ай бұрын

10K I think

@Hey1234Hey

Ай бұрын

The rise of CCP dictatorship and strengthening the oppression of Chinese people. That the cost.

@Cmanorange

Ай бұрын

it costs 34 days

@ChanningChea

Ай бұрын

I say this to myself every time someone says something good about China lol.

I saw a guy on yt shorts who made a video saying that Chinese ev’s were actually gas cars and that they are prone to exploding. They literally do just pull shit out of their ass

@KaranvirT

Ай бұрын

after decades of applauding anyone brave enough to say "China bad" Sinophobia is so rampant in the west that that you stand out if you say even the most lukewarm thing in support of China or its people, its insane

@crimsoneclipse0618

Ай бұрын

​@@KaranvirT yeah, people are just so casually sinophobic. Like oh man, when League announced they will be using Vanguard, so mant racist ass takes appeared, but everyone just continued doing it cause it's toward China. Like bro, if it was an american spyware, it definitely wouldn't havr gotten as much hate.

@benallmon5613

Ай бұрын

That guy is a right wing freak. I watched his stuff here and there and it hit me one day that this dude wishes he was white and spread so much misinformation. It's crazy.

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

i have mostly blocked those channels, pure sino hate brainrot. chinese stuff is cool, Chinese cars in my opinion are not going to be a sustainable future for the CCP's subsidies.

@Zed_eS

Ай бұрын

I'm not saying I don't believe Atrioc, but I'd love to see a source on what he's been speaking about so I can read more into it - it does interest me as an auto worker.

Respect for Atrioc timing that guy out lol

Just came back from China and my cousin has an ev. For her specific car they have these mini stations where they can switch out the entire battery in minutes (entire process is completely automated) instead of having to wait to charge the car. And the car has an ai assistant that my cousin talks to like a friend and was even asking it to take selfies in the car and explaining things to us in English using gpt. Car brand is NIO.

@Sapreme

Ай бұрын

holy shi-

@jeremiahbennett3004

Ай бұрын

Are the swapped out batteries re-used in the station? That's really interesting but it feels wasteful if the batteries aren't re-used.

@contractslivid5118

Ай бұрын

Cap, with the amount of people that drive up a curb, that exposed battery is a safety hazard.

@endlessjjdjdjjdjdjddmdndnf3902

Ай бұрын

@@contractslivid5118EXACLTY 🤣 it is only a matter of time someone blows up when the robot punctures the battery at the station, or like you said if someone hits a curb 💀

@contractslivid5118

Ай бұрын

@@endlessjjdjdjjdjdjddmdndnf3902 That's exactly what I mean. For it to be easily replaced, the battery must be easily accessible, and therefore easily damaged.

Love the ban at the end. I absolutely hate when people ask questions like that

@iimaginewagons632

Ай бұрын

Yeah it’s so stupid. “Is 100k in savings at 23 good?” Yeah bro no shit?? Tf is the point of even asking something like that, in what world would that be anything but good?

@imscaryskeleton5446

Ай бұрын

@@iimaginewagons632 It's like trying to humblebrag but not humble at all and instead it's just very dipshitty

@kv4648

Ай бұрын

aedish alt account trying to farm clips ICANT🤣

Big a you gotta stop this, I start at Tesla on Monday start pumping the stock I beg

@abarrazarios

Ай бұрын

Are they paying good?

@riftwalker26

Ай бұрын

Try to unionize lmao 😂😂😂😂

@charlesyoung3444

Ай бұрын

​@@abarrazarios almost certainly yes

@anshumandash1304

Ай бұрын

@@abarrazarios pays not the best not the worst ngl

@astradave_

Ай бұрын

@@anshumandash1304 I have friends that are engineers there. they said the pay is good but is way worse than people think due to the unpaid overtime you have to work

"unfair" is such a weird concept in this conversation

@DajuSar

Ай бұрын

Like the us government has never ever bailed out failing business and banks before

@RuffinItAB

Ай бұрын

The U.S subsidies the most industries

@Spoon80085

Ай бұрын

In the global market, if you allow cheap foreign goods to compete with domestic products it can literally blow up your economy. In this case, China is pumping a lot of money into EV manufacturing to artificially make them cheaper, which (in addition to having better manufacturing techniques) makes it impossible for other manufacturers to produce EVs at that quantity/price. Tariffs are basically a way to raise the price of Chinese EVs to a level that makes domestic producers competitive

@eleonarcrimson858

Ай бұрын

​@@Spoon80085damn that's crazy. Where is that heat you are giving china when America did and still does it?

@Spoon80085

Ай бұрын

@@eleonarcrimson858 I'm not giving heat subsidized firms just innately have an advantage over ones without. Even if it weren't subsidized, auto manufacturing is such an important industry in many nations that tariffs are a necessity for these countries. It's a very normal economic process in most nations today, global market can be a blessing and a curse

What really sucks is that consumers don't have a choice or get to make an informed decision. Instead, we get massive tariffs and shitty EVs made by other companies. There's no EV on the US market that I'm even remotely interested in and the infrastructure still isn't anywhere close to ready. I learned recently that ONLY Teslas and Fords can charge at Tesla chargers, which makes them almost fucking useless. It's crazy.

@warguy6474

Ай бұрын

almost like we need government programs and intervention yet everybody hates the government xddddd wow almost like companies will never standardize unless forced to

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

GM, rivian, volvo, mercedes, nissan, almost everyone is switching to NACS (tesla's open standard port). Tesla is still operating and expanding their supercharging network (despite reports that it's stalling). infrastructure is pretty close to being ready though. scaling and expanding charging has been easier and biden put in an investment to have that done in 7 years. Also American EVs for the most part are pretty awesome. Chinese ones too, but America doesn't want that to flood our market which makes sense.

@adamj93

Ай бұрын

@@sarkaranish I'll be honest, even Tesla chargers aren't commonplace enough. They need to have maybe 10x more of them, minimum, before I'd feel comfortable driving an EV. It's not even close to ready. We have SOME choice when it comes to EVs, but most of them are more expensive than their ICE counterparts. Also, like I said, none of them interest me. Have you seen how few sporty, convertible EVs are on the market....? It's crazy. I drive a Miata and the EV market currently has nothing to offer me.

@Jeez001

Ай бұрын

Tariff are useless as they can easly bypass it by building outside of China. Besides most of cheap Chinese are decent but noone will buy them over used Gas vehicles. This all politics

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

@@adamj93 Right, but you are such a small minority of a buyer, you don't really matter. How many miatas does mazda sell a year? Less than 10k. So your interest in a small, fast, fun electric car will only come after a long time. Tesla chargers are somewhat commonplace in urban/suburban areas, where most electric cars live. Rural infrastructure will take a long time to develop, but that's normal. It's commonplace enough and range is good enough to where a lot of people are quite happy to daily an electric car. 90% of Americans drive less than 40 miles a day, so electric is perfect for those people, charge at home and drive to work.

The government subsidising a company isn’t unique to China, but nobody ever complains about stuff like the chaebols in Korea

@mugnuz

Ай бұрын

yep. just look at tesla. heavily subsidized...

@atrioc Do you think having 11 figures in savings is a safe place to be at 8? I have worries about the markets in the future.

@VIady

Ай бұрын

Extremely No, your little papers there will be useless by the time you're 18 as the ai will take over and make single global currency and also reseting the global economy.

@eiriku63

Ай бұрын

Give me ur credit card info and I'll verify for u! ☺️

I mean, all countries subsidize companies. US has been cutting Tesla's taxes in Texas for years now, and both Nevada and California have awarded enormous public infraestructure contracts to Tesla for absurds ammounts of money. Not to mention the incredible ammount of rebates, grants and money that they get for carbon credits, and very low cost loans of millions of dollars that they got from the US government. So the argument that it is "unfair" because of the support of the Chinese Government for EV Companies doesn't really land.

@treyo8001

Ай бұрын

The subsidizes yes but china forcing you to pair with a Chinese company so they can take trade secrets like they did with telsa is a very fair criticism

@ReclusiveExtrovert

Ай бұрын

​@@treyo8001I agree but there is the question of agency. Firms that wished to access the Chinese market in exchange for working under JVs and technology transfers had the choice of entering the market, it was not forced upon them.

@PeidosFTW

Ай бұрын

​​@@treyo8001every country has terms for companies to receive incentives. Iirc some American contracts require companies to have workers unions to get the benefits. It's the same thing, different agreement. If they have trouble with stealing IP, they should've thought about it first before trying to lower expenses

@christophv.3274

Ай бұрын

most people like to ignore, that we do exactly the same, just not in that quantities in the last years. The french "CIA" is even known for being the best in industry espionage. Also the thing with the unfair market rules in China was public. Every company, that wanted to sell in China, kinda agreed to sell their secrets for it.

@gamesguy

Ай бұрын

@@treyo8001 Not for Tesla they don't.

Having a template resume that you lightly modify to tailor it to each job you apply to makes sense. Sending literally the same resume to a bunch of jobs thinking that will do anything seems insane to me.

My issue with Chinese EVs, much like other "startup products" is that there are so much of variety of them and so unstandardized that is nearly impossible, from a supply chain perspective, for it to be "repairable." It gets on my nerve everytime these techtubers soy out over the latest EV release. A car, for most people, is not a toy. It's not a game console where you can afford to have it broken for months on end. A lot of peoples' ability to make money and work are contingent on their vehicles. Imagine buying a house with proprietary plumbing, and having to wait 3 months everytime your toilet gets clogged to have it usable again. Not to mention that your vehicle literally depreciates in value even if it's parked at your dealer's garage waiting for the replacement part to get shipped out from China with a 6-12 month leadtime because of the Suez and panama canal situation. This isn't a problem with more established brands like Toyota and Honda where you have the option of both in-house and 3rd party OEM parts.

Are we acting like the US government didn't finance tesla? What is going on??

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

Tesla more just sold their EV credits to other car companies and were able to subsidize production for a while, but that's coming to a close now. Tesla Model S and X are both CHEAPER now than they were BEFORE the tax credit subsidized them. Soon all their tax credits will come to an end but seeing how they have been able to make their cars cheaper and cheaper, it means that the subsidy actually worked and Tesla makes lower price EVs versus when they first started.

@DawryMike

Ай бұрын

​@@sarkaranish That is just a round about subsidy lol

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

@@DawryMike well yes, but that's because of environmental standards that were being pushed super hard super fast.

@gamesguy

Ай бұрын

@@sarkaranish Every American EV has been subsidized to the tune of $7500 per car for over a decade and Tesla specifically received numerous grants and low interest loans. It wouldn't even exist if the DoE didn't give them an ultra low interest loan when they were a startup.

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

@@gamesguy Yes, every American EV... SOLD IN AMERICA... has been subsidized. There is nothing wrong with this because it helps to push the envelope towards electrification and lowering emissions. Tesla now is losing those grants, but even then, the cars they sell now without the grants (model S and X) are CHEAPER now then they were a few years ago WITH the grants. That's the idea, is mass production of EVs is hard, so the federal government helps to give a temporary push to help domestic sales. America is NOT however, subsidizing these cars in Europe, which is what China is doing in order to monopolize the EV market there. China isn't selling EVs cheap and at a loss without reason. They want to drive out established brands and monopolize EVs.

I just shit my pants

@The-Demi-God

Ай бұрын

Relatable

@jackcalow2430

Ай бұрын

i have ibs

@ScaredEdit

Ай бұрын

Same fr

@tiagobelo4965

Ай бұрын

Oregon trail immersion

China struggles to build EVs. But at what cost?

@blacckjacck2476

Ай бұрын

That is so fucking funny, the right title would be, “China excels at producing quality, cheap EVs. But at what cost?”

@kv4648

Ай бұрын

They seized tens of thousands of electric motorcycles recently for being hazardous. But apparently that could be a ploy to generate government revenue

@esmeecampbell7396

Ай бұрын

​@@blacckjacck2476I'm very skeptical that anything made by BYD or NIO is actually better quality. I'm thinking the good news and positive reviews are mostly Chinese propaganda. However the negative reviews in the USA are likely pro American propaganda. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

The PRC does a lot of things that are blatantly unfair in terms of international trade -- but complaining about subsidies is a little rich, coming from the US. The US regularly subsidizes its own industries too. Land grants, tax holidays, even direct funding from the state. It's not even the federal government 'only' either, state and city governments throw around subsidies all the time. Oil and gas companies are a major beneficiary, as well as US automakers. Some of it gets really egregious -- the case of agricultural subsidies and Haiti would be hilarious if it wasn't real. US farms get so much free money from the government that they can sell rice at cheaper prices than Haitian ones, _in Haiti_ For context on how incredible these subsidies are, Rice is a labor intensive product, so countries with low labor costs will naturally have an advantage. Haiti is dirt poor, and the average person there makes 44x less than the average American. US subsidies were egregious enough that rice grown in the US with American labor, and needing to be packaged (US labor), loaded onto ships ( _unionized_ US labor), and sent to Haiti is cheaper than Haitian grown rice.

Where would I go to read up on the development of Chinese EV's/car industry?

Comments are talking about the EVs quality and the subsidies but the issue for me is the IP theft. Having to partner with Chinese companies that then get to take your IP and all the R&D that you've developed for almost no cost is BS and shouldn't be accepted. R&D is a huge cost to companies that are then put on the customer, so if you barely have to do anything and can cut those costs then it's just such a dumb advantage we should discourage even if it means tariffs. It's just as annoying when China can hack a bunch of companies abroad with little to no consequences and use those hacked material to make replicant products.

@PeidosFTW

Ай бұрын

Companies should've known better 🤷 china is known to do that, yet companies still move there to get lower labour costs

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

@@PeidosFTW Now they are moving to Vietnam and especially India to do all of that. Companies are sick of the CCP having an iron fist on business there.

@PeidosFTW

Ай бұрын

@@sarkaranish that's great, shouldve done that first before begging for tarifs lmfao

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

@@PeidosFTW it's fair to want tariffs on an adversary's cars when their goal is not to simply sell cars but to undercut established car manufacturers and effectively monopolize automobiles.

@PeidosFTW

Ай бұрын

@@sarkaranish no. They want tariffs because their cars are inferior to the Chinese ones lmao

4:36 holyyyy big A really is NL pilled

It's not unfair for China to run their EVs this way. The US could do the same. They just don't.

@henlo1910

Ай бұрын

They COULD do the same, but they won't. Making cheaper cars, especially in the EV space, is just leaving money on the table. Americans have proven time and time again that they will spend absurd amounts of money (that they don't have) to keep up with the joneses.

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

@@henlo1910 It isn't possible, not without chinese battery tech which is already heavily subsidized by china. The BYD Seagull, the 10k electric car that Gliztrioc mentions, is a mitsubishi mirage sized hatchback, which is a size no one wants. the BYD Han, the 30k tesla competitor makes more sense to compare with. The BYD han likely is being subsidized like 30% which means it's really a 40k car being sold for 30k. The model 3 tesla is about 40k before tax rebates and whatnot. The BIG THING atrioc doesn't mention that i think he's missing is... used EV prices. They are PLUMMETING as americans choose not to buy EVs more and more, and as supply has completely outstripped demand. China, no matter how much they subsidize their cars, will NEVER match even cheaper $20k model 3s and similar evs.

@sordid_

Ай бұрын

Theoretically yes but in reality no. The reason chinese evs are so cheap is because they are subsidized, control almost all the supply chain and have access to cheap labor.

@danang5

Ай бұрын

i mean the US already kinda help EV by giving EV tax credit,at least in some states but yeah its not enough to compete with directly subsidized EV from china

@occamschainsaw3450

Ай бұрын

It is unfair from the company standpoint. BYD didn’t force the chinese government to grant them subsidies, nor a western company can do the same in their own country. You either get a subsidy or you don’t, which is the definition of unfair.

It's really frustrating when you're explaining objective facts about something, and because you don't say "and that's bad, I don't like that, we need to put a stop to it >=c " every other word, people think that somehow you're supporting that or want that to be the case. Like when you say "Chinese EVs are the best on the market" people think that's you WANTING chinese EVs to be the best. When you say "Trump is probably going to win the election" people think that's you WANTING Trump to win the election Like, personal desire isn't factoring in whatsoever, you're just stating the facts as you understand them. But so many people reject reality and only acknowledge what they WANT to be true, and treat you like you're the same way.

@saladdressing2781

Ай бұрын

No, he isn't stating facts as we understand them. He is regurgitating Chinese EV marketing points in a hopes of a "gotcha" moment. When the rug gets pulled and these things turn out to just be "knockoff" Teslas because ahem, China is RENOWNED for their reverse engineering; you will have nobody to blame because you can't blame the Chinese government. How do you think they make these things so cheap? Cheap materials? Cheap labor? How about both.

@blacckjacck2476

Ай бұрын

On god

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

agreed, it feels like sometimes atrioc is defending Chinese EV companies at times even though that's not what he's trying to do at all. The reality of the situation is, our adversary has nearly caught up with EVs (except for Tesla's unmatched battery efficiency) and will eventually be a real threat.

We got a bunch of tariff sheriffs out there

Working at a dealership. The best most responsive EV ive driven is a Teslas we get as trades. EV’s from everyone else feel like they are being made to act like a gas car, a lot of them have you turn regen on every time you get in, and kia’s they turn off regen braking when you put the car in reverse. I havent driven a Chinese electric car, but id assume it would be the same as Toyotas, KIA, Hyundai, Chevy and others, where you dont get responsiveness front the accelerator that you get with a tesla.

most of the buses in my city are made by BYD.

Doesn't the us also subsidize ev production?

4:00 Aren't you happy you listened to him?

Just wanted to say that I appreciate the daily uploads because I watch them on my 10 min break at work and they are the perfect length to watch

HI ATRIOC I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!! The BIG THING you don't mention that I think you are missing is... used EV prices. They are PLUMMETING as Americans choose not to buy EVs more and more, and as supply has completely outstripped demand, they are so, so cheap to buy used and are low mileage and clean too. The market is not NEW EVs, but USED ones. China, no matter how much they subsidize their cars, will NEVER match even cheaper $20k model 3s and similar EVs. Look at the Hertz sale of all their Teslas, firesale prices. I am not joking, check out a 2023 model 3 sedan with 30k miles and it's almost $25k. China's game of selling EVs is a losing one, as Tesla owners continue to FLOOD the market of EVs, and as Tesla lowers the price of their Model 3 more and more.

@DrRocket8775

Ай бұрын

Once EV infrastructure gets built up more in urban areas and starts leaking more into suburbs, this will change. Obv it's going to take generations of car buyers to get even a superminority of car buyers to buy EVs (new or used), but it will happen in urban and inner suburban areas soon enough. Consumer behavior in this sector is probably shaped more by lack of EV infrastructure and "I'll wait until others try the new thing" than distaste for EVs.

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

@@DrRocket8775 It's already happened in urban and suburb areas, there's a lot of electric infrastructure there. People are already buying EVs in those areas. The problem is, EVs are expensive and are a bit gimmicky which leads to even higher price points. Tesla has the big screen gimmick and everyone else feels that EVs need to be gimmicky too. When they get rid of gimmicks and make an economical electric car, it will be hard if not impossible for china to break into our market.

@DrRocket8775

Ай бұрын

@@sarkaranish As far as I know, EV infrastructure in urban US still isn't quite to what W Europe and China are at. But, even that aside, my main point is that once Chinese EVs are available here that will change. It doesn't look like many american market car brands are really interested in making economical EVs ASAP (besides Rivian, and they're questionable on the price point); Tesla reputation is going down every quarter; car company lobbying is the weakest it's ever been; and buyers are increasingly not caring about American made/American company preference. The american market wants those chinese EVs, and there will be more money to be made by American middle men than to be lost by other car companies in the medium term, hence why I think it's likely that Chinese EVs will be in the US within 10 years. The current US EV market does not indicate that people don't want EVs. It indicates that they're tired of Tesla. Only thing that might block that is if other car brands get as good at hybrids as Honda and Toyota are.

Atrioc would've made my head scratch 10 years ago, but after working in finance and visiting China last summer, I see the truth too. The market, which is made of us ordinary people, decide what is best, and the American government is putting tariffs because they see that Americans would want these EVs

They do explode at 10x the rate of other evs which yes not a lot but it’s a lot more

"1 million CAUGHT" had me dying

Big A with a nuanced take yet again, love to see it

As someome from Memphis, I've never seen a city spend money so irresponsibily. Disgusting

I struck gold. I got a full time Job working remote that pays really well and have an amazing boss.

@henlo1910

Ай бұрын

bruh we get it you're self employed doing drop shipping

@AbysmalEnd

Ай бұрын

@henlo1910 I wish it was that easy lol But I work in cybersecurity security. I hope good things come your way as well, brother.

@Anubis30224

Ай бұрын

Congratulations man! Currently trying to get a server tech position with Microsoft, myself. Well done, you're living the dream ^-^

@Justpassingby204

Ай бұрын

Congrats dude

The US also subsidizes Tesla

I'm 33 and only have high 8 figures in savings. Do you think that is good? I'm worried about the markets and don't know if I should be saving more

0:35 they are literally not they are burning up by the day, bro is going the john cena route

Every government subsidizes their own industries, some just do it to a greater degree. Also, most foreign companies that do business with China willingly agreed to their terms. They knew China would steal their trade secrets but they made that sacrifice for short term profits and lucrative executive pay packages.

@hongmeiling6065

Ай бұрын

It's basically treason but ye

Capitalists crying when someone exploits the system 00:00

3:31 if we got rid of bans on Kei cars I think Japan could crush China. People want cheap small reliable vehicles that get insane bang for buck. I would love to be able to buy a new van that gets 40mpg for $10000 if only Kei models were legal in the US

@jackcalow2430

Ай бұрын

no one would buy them because they’re still cheap and crappy economy cars made for city commuting, i do love them though

@envadeh

Ай бұрын

Japan doesn't make evs, toyota hasn't even tried, and nissan doesn't care. The only option for america, if it wants its puppet states to win in EV is, hyundai. Hyundai is going crazy with really good ev, especially the ioniq series.

Lil Bros hair isn't thinning, its turning grey 😂 silver fox

@account-yi2cn

Ай бұрын

Becoming spoontrioc

A obviously hasn’t seen the videos of Chinese ev’s blowing up all the time there.

Chinese glizzy

Tesla could have a chance at combatting Chinese EVs with their market share and charging systems set up but Elon is too busy fighting for 50 billion $ pay packages

Good. They dont give a fuck about patents and that's how it should be. Worst law ever

thank you for my daily Big A SLOP

Atrioc talks about china….. but at what cost?

Im preety sure atrioc is wearing a wig

important question , is elon or drizzy that have more kid?

Ok lets say the Chinese EV's do explode onto the market in the US or Europe. Does anyone have the energy throughput or infrastructure to accommodate the increased demand for electricity? Not that can't make more but, will we be able to keep up with demand?

I just don’t like the Chinese government but I will say that the evs are really nice

Actually no, European automakers were not begging for tariffs on Chinese car companies, they were begging for the opposite. They were pleading for the EU to NOT go ahead with the tariffs because companies like Volkswagen now make most of their money from sales in China and they know they're going to get absolutely annihilated if China retaliates with its own tariffs on European cars. People also forget that gas guzzlers have been subsidized by Western governments for literally decades.

@marceelino

Ай бұрын

Still, nobody in EU will buy cheap low quality EV from China.

BYD isn't as good objectively than Tesla based on reviewers experiences, but it is better value pre-tariffs

what's up with the "banana" infinite money glitch on steam? am i too late to catch a ride to the moon?

i love muricans are against subsidation but there whole effin agriculture especially corn is.... double standards...

thank you atrioc just put in a order for a new zeekr car

Since when teslas don't explode?

Sure, if Ford and GM pay back every subsidy they've received for EV production then they can have their tariffs.

Bro timing out a kid cause he is rich 😂😂😂😂

@cgduude

Ай бұрын

He's not timed out for being rich, he's timed out for lying, lol.

@alexandergrayson4810

Ай бұрын

Lying huh​@@cgduude

All the fears of Chinese auto dominance are dependent on ev's actually taking over, which is not guaranteed. Chinas betting it all on Bev's but if hybrids or more efficient ice ends up being the near term path then this strategy will backfire

@bonkerswonkers22323

Ай бұрын

But EVs are like long term going to be the better direction to head in regardless, even if it’s less efficient everyone mutually agrees we need to cut down on pollution and electric or any other more efficient car is the way to do that (aka it’s unlikely to not move in a direction that’s wither EVs or something similar that they can pivot to pretty easily)

@PreschoolDropout673

Ай бұрын

@@bonkerswonkers22323 I agree current emissions are not sustainable, but whether or not current Bev's or even personal car ownership in any form is ever sustainable is not a certainty. But I was talking more about the relatively short term economic impact since we are still driven by a freeish market system. If the ev play doesn't work out in the 5 to 10 year timeline and sales plateau or hybrids become the dominant category, then all these fears about China taking over the auto industry would be unfounded since China was never able to get a competitive ice vehicle out. And honestly if you look at most of the population a plug in hybrid just makes way more sense for 90% of people and doesn't require a miraculous infrastructure upgrade. But what do I know, I never even finished preschool

Atrioc.. have you seen the fields FILLED with abandon brand new chinese EV's? Not parking lots. Fields with grass growing over the cars. It makes me wonder if theyre making a ton of cars at a loss just to look good but their actual sales are low as fuck

bro we cannot impoverish germany again it does not work out well

Lot of "wah wah wah how are domestic companies supposed to compete?" in this comment section as if that isn't the whole point of the game. Fucking try harder then? Dont ship jobs overseas and then act surprised when they save up and play the same game. Tariffs are only going to set us back even further.

23 seconds and 1 view, atrioc on that come up

@endlessjjdjdjjdjdjddmdndnf3902

Ай бұрын

FACTZZZ

Elon knows Tesla is screwed. Thats why he’s asking for $56B lmao. He knows his time is up

Chinese EVs are great when you don't care about anything else. They're adequate transportation - solid drivetrains, solid batteries. What's not solid are their interiors which are lacking in materials and ergonomics, driving assists are also unrefined and downright annoying (not like Kia and Hyundai are much better), driving dynamics and suspension are downright primitive, and overall those cars are really just like driving a car from 10-15 years ago, except that they have electric drivetrains now. Like a Dacia. Oh and there's no dealer network, so good luck with servicing. Big props to China focusing heavily on batteries with iron instead of cobalt, they have insane longevity but worse energy density. It's a good trade. I would stay away unless you can be absolutely sure the car's battery management systems are up to snuff. I'm not talking about the risk of fire - they won't take the risk for export markets, I'm talking about heat management. If your EV doesn't have liquid cooled/heated batteries, it's pretty much an expensive paperweight. Compare used EV prices - Nissan Leaf is leading the cheapest EV leaderboards because their battery management sucks ass. Range suffers too, not to mention that their fast charging capabilities are horrible because the battery overheats like crazy, especially in summer. Big no, hell no. Also, get one with a heat pump if you need heat in your car in winter. Big energy savings. So yeah, if you have zero car aspirations and all your car criteria is based on price and colour, get an EV from China. But I guess that if you have at least a smidge, a crumb of interest in cars and can distiguish cars by brand on sight, I don't think I need to tell you what to get. You'll get a used EV that's a year old or so. You'll get a much better car with a robust dealer network.

@envadeh

Ай бұрын

I'd say this is true for all EVs, which is why I don't like EVs. EVs are built by technology companies, not car companies which causes the car aspect of the vehicle to be bland

"the government is subsidizing chinese evs" have you SEEN teslas business plan

if teslas biggest threat is chinese ev then i think tesla can rest easy

What I got from the video? LYING on resumes can get you a SIX FIGURES saving accounts.. Dude was on something

@alexandergrayson4810

Ай бұрын

Its true, also remember to be ready to answer backbone questions in the interviews

Taiwan #1 Big Taiwan #2

I Put my life savings in BYD thanks Big A🤠👍

I’m interested in what atrioc believes is real and isn’t with China

I’m more than happy to buy good stuff from China. Sometimes companies just save money on labor (slaves) and the materials are still good. I’ll call it when I see it, but anything that helps the CCP irks me.

Elon musk should just sell model 3s for 10k and beat them at their own game !! Cmon elon musk you can do it put them factories to work baby just sell sell sell and nobody will ever think about byd

Big A has clearly never seen a BYD, I've never seen a brand new car look so old and badly built, and good lord am I ever counting the ami EV. Even from a reasonable distance it's noticeable that the paintwork is wonky, the tooling is low quality/has overly large tolerances, and the whole thing is cheaply built. Can't say much about the ones I've yet to see, but chinese car companies have a lot of variance anong themselves, Lynk&Co for example makes seemingly much better cars in comparison. Bottom line is, they can make good EVs, but they are simply not the world's best.

has he reacted to the chinese insider guys videos

@blacckjacck2476

Ай бұрын

God I fucking hate that guy. He actually is what he is talking about. Unrelated clips stitched together and slapping chinese on it. Makes me so upset to see so many people consume the “china and their untrustworthy people are so backwards” brainrot.

They mske them 'better' 😂😂 Never laughrd so hard

Here is the simple trick if you have six figures in savings at 23 and want a stable job in these shaky times: Ask daddy to give you a job at his company and then try your hardest to not throw away all that money you are earning for essentially doing nothing by sports betting.

@alexandergrayson4810

Ай бұрын

Hmm good strat

i am like elon musk cuz i be pumping anything too

@BaldDougClips

Ай бұрын

Pump this ratio

I had an MG4 which is owned by Saic which is chinese and it’s a pretty good car, my dad recently bought a BYD Seal Awd and it’s super good, german EVs are pretty shit for the price and chinese evs make so much sense for the money.

@jackcalow2430

Ай бұрын

you from Aus? i agree the chinese EVs make a good case my experience with SAIC owned vehicles is with LDV vans and my experience owning them has been horrific

@vascosustelo6250

Ай бұрын

@@jackcalow2430I’m in Portugal, i had a few problems with my MG4 and ended up trading it fit a Tesla. My problems were regarding the brands representation in my country and not the actual car being bad.

China ev cheaper because China has all the raw materials on their land. So they make em cheaper, it’s not just subsidies

But I want to buy the 10k Chinese car and not tesla

🥱

how is china subsidizing evs bad? Isn't that literally what the US does? Like you can go buy a tesla right now and the US government will pay you like $2,000

@GAGONMYCOREY

Ай бұрын

cuz china == state involvement == communism == scary. learn the maths u fool

@torchbearer2175

Ай бұрын

Whilethe the US gives back 2k China will basically cover the cost of most of the ev abs bite the bullet making the car waaayyy cheaper than the normal ev's. But it's also an excuse when other countries can and SHOULD do the same if climate change is such an issue, countries should be subsidizing this market more

@LouisAndPillz

Ай бұрын

To be fair, the 2k tax credit isn't tesla specific, and for a while a tesla vehicle didn't even count for it.

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

Because American EV subsidies stay within America, the US doesn't subsidize Teslas in Europe for instance. If America subsidizes a European's Tesla by $2000, that's incredibly harmful to Europe's EV economy. That's basically what China does, that 10k is their subsidy. Their long term plan in my opinion is to run established car brands to the ground and take the mantle from there, but cars are a really hard business to dominate.

@testacals

Ай бұрын

@@sarkaranish Isn't the entire point of open economy to buy cheaper goods from outside the country ?

Nio to the moon

he compared nvda to Cisco, so im done ✅ sorry

If Chinese EV’s are anything like their buildings and roads, they’ll break down on the test drive.

if China makes the best EVs why are there miles of fields filled with abandoned EVs in china?

Lol

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I disagree

so your bullshit alarm goes off on a arizona tea, but not a 10k “tesla”????

I completely disagree, Chinese EVs literally explode all the time, and depending on who they're made by, the paint chips, the suspension is extremely thin, etc. They are being mass produced and sold at a loss (while being subsidized by the CCP) so they can have a larger market share in other countries

@bonkerswonkers22323

Ай бұрын

That’s not entirely true but even if for arguments sake it was, America is mass producing just as many garbage cars but then marking them up 10x rather than selling them at a fairly reasonable price.🤷🏼‍♀️Any affordable EVs without being scummy is just a better of the two evils.

@proface5209

Ай бұрын

Christ allmighty how much propaganda can you shovel into your mouth

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

@@bonkerswonkers22323 America mass produces a lot of crap cars too, but they are also sold at a reasonable price let's be honest here. Check Ford's or GM's profit margins. Selling cars is a difficult, low margin business. They sell cars made by union workers and are generally pretty well received. Plus, most of their cars aren't being subsidized by America, whereas all electric cars made in china are subsidized by at least 30% by the Chinese government.

@bonkerswonkers22323

Ай бұрын

@@sarkaranish GM and Ford are like some of the best all purpose brands you could’ve chosen for like actual worth, I’m talking about the overflooded overpriced brands like mitsubishi and kia

@sarkaranish

Ай бұрын

@@bonkerswonkers22323 kia and Mitsubishi are... Overpriced? They are both considered poor class budget brands LOL.

China #1

they are literally selling almnost no chinese ev, theres a stigma around it lol

@blacckjacck2476

Ай бұрын

Please stop smoking the “lalala” pack, Im worried about you. Chinese EVs are set to take 25% of the EU market this year. Europe just slapped a 38.1% tariff on chinese evs cause they are so competitive. Stigma doesn’t mean anything to data, please use literally less.

@CrispyCrackensCrisps

Ай бұрын

Yeah, pretty sure KZread would flag my comment if I wrote the main issues with a China made self-driving cheap evs for being political when it's not, or the problem with trusting atroic to do the proper research on this, and atroics fans are not the type to listen anyway so won't even bother lol. It is maybe the worst purchases you could make lol the future is safe long-lasting automatic none ai fuel-efficient regulated biofuel gas small trucks created without African forced labor mines using no carcinogenetic or toxic parts, I will still be around to dunk on them while everyone else finds out why it's so cheap in a dystopian nightmare lol. Personally, I'm hoping one day to just sell practical vehicles before the tech guys and investors figure out they wasted all their money on the wrong horse and they are playing the wrong meta and react and stealing the automobile market and become a monopoly and use my power and wealth as leverage to be a silly but monovalent autocrat lol, under my autocrat rule September will be renamed arillus and everyone will get the month of to celebrate in my cites with ubi payed for by asteroid mining and I will create free housing, clothing and food for the homeless but it's all themed based like a theme park so hope you choose the city you want to live in correctly no changing once you pick your first and when you move from one your never allowed to move into another one and you have to live there six months of the year so if you want space world best not pick cowboy world or medieval world, or Rome world or pirate world or samurai world.

@CrispyCrackensCrisps

Ай бұрын

@@blacckjacck2476 There are safety and ethical concerns but we aren't allowed to type on KZread comments and I'm pretty sure it even gets you shaddowbanned if you say the problems on video because it's all seen as political adjacent by the ai, but for those reasons were literally not allowed to say on KZread widespread adoption is impossible in the us, I wish I could type any of it most of it you likely would agree with if I was allowed to tell you but all of it has banned words and phrases and gets auto deleted even though all I'm just talking about firmware, software, hardware and materials lol, I would give you sources to check out but since their all fragments info in articles which are flagged as political adjacent the ai won't let us and nobody has compiled a comprehensive list of all the problems in an article on the clearweb yet to give you lol, just think of it this way why would someone not want a cheap self-driving ev it's such an easy win in life no random citizen would be against it but experts with no skin in the game are so infer what that means, I wish it didn't come with the devils and shake but it comes with allot, so think about it look in the mirror and figure out whose on what pack.

@CrispyCrackensCrisps

Ай бұрын

@@blacckjacck2476 All I can say just think of it this way why would a random citizen not want a cheap self-driving ev it's such an easy win in life you gain nothing from it and lose a lot from being against it no random citizen would be against it but experts with no skin in the game just rondos who know what they are saying are so infer what that means that's it wish I was allowed to say more maybe I'm not even allowed to say this hope so it is what it is control the controllable.

@envadeh

Ай бұрын

​@@blacckjacck2476this is especially true for the third world, the developing nations are all buying chinese evs, it's actually uncanny

I pray for the day China is free🙏

the amount of videos of chinese EVs i have seen go up in flames...i wont own one even if they gave me one for free 🤣

@blacckjacck2476

Ай бұрын

Brother please stop smoking the “lalala” pack, I am worried about you. They are set to take 25% of the european market. Please im on my knees, stop smoking the propaganda.

China doesn't have the same consumer protections and the safety malfunctions get swept under the rug for market dominance, coming from someone who's actually there...I don't think Atrioc should push Chinese EVs as much as he did here

@VIady

Ай бұрын

He's not pushing anything, he's literally nust saying what is happening in the world. Its like saying "yeah the japan economy is currently bad" and taking it as if he said "I hate japan and they should all be... AGAIN!!!!!".

@rbae

Ай бұрын

@@VIady he said they're just as good if not better for much cheaper, which isn't true

@VIady

Ай бұрын

@@rbae source?

@rbae

Ай бұрын

​@@VIady1:03 on this video

@VIady

Ай бұрын

@@rbae source of it not being better and not cheaper Edit: also dont link me a KZread video of one on fire an actual trusted respectable source