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@realworldtesla

Жыл бұрын

Can an owner sell his old battery on the open market to defray the cost of the new one?

@safeandeffectivelol

Жыл бұрын

@@realworldtesla Who would buy an old used Tesla battery not knowing what it's gone through?

@Narinjas

11 ай бұрын

In my humble opinion, if you rely on your electric vehicle to the point that you are 80% sure you can get a battery replacement in warranty, then by all means use as much as you can to get that, but after the replacement treat the new battery like a baby, using all the methods that suits your lifestyle. (Charging from 20-30% to 70-80% making half a battery capacity recharge for each recharge, and avoiding Superchargers like the plague and only using them when the need is extreme (like distance long road trips, otherwise use hotels with destination chargers and have a relaxed night with a level 2 destination change overnight, or simply visit the town for the ~5 hours it takes to charge 50%)

@hectora3692

9 ай бұрын

Hell what is the point to buy a car which runs on battery. In the long run you will save on gas and not too pollute the air . But in 8 years I don’t think you will spend $ 22.000 in gas 😖 even worse if I go to the dealer and buy used Tesla ? More chance’s to get screw or purchase a lemon 👎🏾

@Narinjas

9 ай бұрын

@@hectora3692 NORMAL ICE CAR MAINTENANCE, Just add the cost of the time spent on mechanic, the mechanic cost, and the oil and other "wear components" ( brake pads included, since electric vehicles have regenerative braking and 1 pedal driving), and you come to spend way more on normal ICE vehicles... But, for some reason, maybe because of how people drive the instant torque, or because the tires need to be specifically made for electrical vehicles, TESLA EAT TIRES for a sizable consumer base, and you basically shift the other costs into tires, even if not all people encounter the often need to change tires, it is still something that needs urgent care and attention from either car or tire manufacturers, because it shouldn't be that way (we encountered the problem Race Cars have, and why they limited the tires/ season, but in real life, you need to be informed of such things, and maybe even a need to have a mode that is close to normal, but doesn't put too much pressure on the tires, and call it TIRE SAVING sub mode that limits the maximum torque on tires, so you keep within tire specifications for minimal wear, since it is all software based, you could either enter what tires you have, with front and back differences, or to manually enter the specifications of the tires, in case the data base doesn't have the tire specifications.)

I purchased a Model S that needed a new battery. Purchased a wrecked car for the battery for $10k. Sold the modules from the old car for $12500, did the swap myself with some help with the config change (upgraded to a 100 battery), also sold other parts from the wrecked car. All in all, the upgrade from a bad 85 battery to a 100 pack with 20k miles made me $8k :)

@kurtrhoney121

4 ай бұрын

You just didn't say how difficult it was compared to swapping out A prius HV battery that I can do in about 25 minutes.

@climatenomad

3 ай бұрын

@@kurtrhoney121 pretty easy for Tesla on the original Model S since they had a swap station that was routinely doing it in less than 5 minutes as an alternative to charging at first...

@danharold3087

Ай бұрын

@@climatenomad The swapping station did not see serious use. One had to make an appointment to get a swap. Thinking that Tesla may have removed parts associating with swapping on the car.

@danharold3087

Ай бұрын

@@kurtrhoney121 Thinking the is 4 Prius uses AA cells ? /s Seriously 1.3 1.5 and 8.8KWh batteries are not the same as changing 60 or 100KWh battery.

@StayAfterClass

7 күн бұрын

U can buy a model s with a faulty battery for 5k … then u go rent a similar model s and swap the battery packs ! So that 5k car jumped to almost 20k . You’re most likely gonna make atleast 13-14k profit . U can get this whole job done in a day and have the car sold next week ! And at the end of the day the car u rented has a battery warranty so nobody but Tesla will take the hit !

Reporting in: 2018 M3 LRRWD 80,729 miles. Original range 310, now 282. No brake pad change to date, minimal maintenance. Love it - the best car I ever had. She’s a keeper.

@BonanzaPilot

Жыл бұрын

I've had an identical experience with my 18 M3P-. 79k miles original was a little less than yours and now its 272. No real big mx items, no won't at all to replace it. I did have a rental with a heat pump and that really is a game changer, but 5 years later and I still love the car!

@kimchee94112

6 ай бұрын

11.2% loss per 100K miles or 275 mile range at 100K miles.

@MaxilentProductions

Ай бұрын

@@kimchee94112seems to fall into what Tesla projects and claims. I think they said around ~10% degradation at 100k miles, and ~15% at 200k miles.

Still rocking my original 85kw battery in my 2013 model S. It has 139k miles and the range is 242 miles at 100% charge. Not much degradation from it’s original 265 miles. Thanks for the vid Ryan. I asked Carlsbad service center last month about battery cost. At the time they quoted me 13k for a used 90kw battery and 22k for a brand new 90kw pack.

@jackwong64

Жыл бұрын

Av very good information, thanks for sharing it.

@JamesPCroad

Жыл бұрын

Affordable!

@kestrelglassingsystems6704

Жыл бұрын

Great video with excellent information and resources. Would be great to see some cost comparisons to ICE cars looking at both the cost of major repairs or loss of range. My F150 is going to require new turbochargers soon, estimated to be around a $2500-$3000 repair. I already spend 1000-2000 annually on engine maintenance and the truck is 10 years old. So, after ten years and $125k miles I’m looking at in the neighborhood of $15000-$20000 in cost to maintain that power plant. Additionally the same F150 has dropped from 21MPG at the time of purchase to 16MPG at its current condition. This is a roughly 25% drop in range on a tank of gas. I’ve experienced similar degradations with other ICE cars. We don’t talk about it much because there’s a gas station on every corner. In contrast, my 2018 Model 3 has cost me virtually nothing to maintain (tires and wipers) over nearly 50k miles. I have experienced some range loss in it, but it’s performing at the top of the distribution, currently.

@0hypnotoad0

Жыл бұрын

@@kestrelglassingsystems6704 I think EVs get targeted and cherry-picked by the media for hideous repair bills, but honestly those kinds of costs seem par for the course these days for any type of vehicle. The company I work for recently had to do a transmission replacement on a Ram Promaster that just went out of warranty, and it cost $11,000. After seeing these eye-watering out-of-warranty ICE repair costs I don't think these EV battery costs seem too out of the ordinary, really.

@jml9550

Жыл бұрын

$1-2k to maintain a F150? Wow, how many miles do you drive a years? I have a 2017 Lexus ES350, just hit 37K miles and it cost me less around $1.3K so far on oil changes, brake fluid and coolant replacement. I replace the air filters myself, like 3 times at $20 each.

My ‘16 MX P90D now with 246k+ miles has lost only 13% of the battery and still haven’t replaced the brakes. Never driven a car putting on with this amount of miles. LOVE IT!

@GoodToCU88

Жыл бұрын

How's the suspension at 250k+ miles?

@joemcdonough7509

Жыл бұрын

@@GoodToCU88 Suspension is the weak point in Teslas. My 2015 P90D has control arm bushings that creak louder and louder over time. Even Ryan's new Model S Plaid has the same exact creak that my 2015 has.

@Mabeylater293

Жыл бұрын

@@joemcdonough7509after 246 thousands miles all it does is creak? No replacements???

@joemcdonough7509

Жыл бұрын

@@Mabeylater293 Mine only has 52,000 miles. I replaced the control arms at about 50K. One of them still creaks.

@mobouncethanaou

Жыл бұрын

Wow. That's awesome

Even if the cost of a battery drops that doesn’t mean service centers will drop the price. We need aftermarket batteries for true competition.

@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403

Жыл бұрын

While I agree with you, almost certainly, by the time you're ready to replace your car battery, if you treat it right, it'll have more than 300K miles on it. At that point, you may very well decide your car's technology is old and you want a new car. Ideally, you can sell the battery to a recycling company, sell the rest to a junk yard and buy a new car.

@beansRuns

Жыл бұрын

The other side of that coin is that EV manufacturers will keep their battery costs low to undercut and eliminate competition from potential battery startups. Of course, the big manufacturers can just buy out the startups and set their own price, like pharma does

My business partner bought a new Model S in 2013. He’s still driving it, loves it and has no plans to replace it. It’s the original battery and he still has plenty of range. His experience is why I took delivery of a new 2022 model X last summer and plan to drive through at least 2032 and probably longer.

@M13x13M

Жыл бұрын

How many miles?

@CropCircleCritic

Жыл бұрын

So jealous. That’s my dream car. Enjoy!

@PaulMotorCo

Жыл бұрын

2022 Model X is incredible!

@austinfrazier7325

Жыл бұрын

How many drive unit replacements?

@jacob9673

Жыл бұрын

Yikes. I would never buy a Tesla-crap build quality/QC, crap ability to fix on your own, and you’re locked into their ecosystem.

I just drove 500 miles to San Diego from the Flagstaff area. One 5 minute stop at 300 miles for gas in my paid off Chrysler Aspen. Absolutely LOVE IT!!

@safeandeffectivelol

11 ай бұрын

You're racist for not getting a loan for an $80,000 car. Think of the bankers who have been demonized for centuries

@deadshota736

4 ай бұрын

It's all fun and games till you gotta get maintenance done and have to replace multiple parts for an accumulation of $10k

@pierrearnoldiii

4 ай бұрын

I drive around 60k a year, with gas thats literally lighting it on fire.

@Jawnderlust

4 ай бұрын

I had to Google what a Chrysler Aspen was. 😂

@climatenomad

3 ай бұрын

How much CO2 did you emit in the process, dooming the rest of us. Before you say electric utilities use fossil fuels remember that gas car efficiency on a car like yours is probably under 20% while an electric motor is in the high 90s. Also utilities use a significant amount of non-CO2 emitting generation (solar, wind, nuclear and hydro) and the fossil fuel generation is done with highly efficient turbines that are way more efficient than a gas car's engine.

My 2014 Model S P85D's battery is still going strong nearly 10 years later and has never been replaced! According to Recurrent, I've got 246-247mi when the EPA rated range was 242mi brand new lol

@mockingbird187

Жыл бұрын

Wow, that's impressive!

@bryanb9636

Жыл бұрын

That’s impressive, How many miles have you put?

@TeslaRyan

Жыл бұрын

@@bryanb9636 69,301 right now, I'm inching closer to the golden number, 69,420!

@rjmcgowan

Жыл бұрын

2015 p85d 107,498 miles. No battery issues. I only charge to 80% daily and leave it on the charger when parked.

@bryanb9636

Жыл бұрын

@@rjmcgowan range when new and range now? Battery degradation % ?

Lead acid car batteries are recycled at about 90% that’s why we don’t have lead mines everywhere. EV batteries will be the same. Fun fact some of the lead in your ICE car battery may be from the 1950s when recycling batteries started.

@tormave

Жыл бұрын

This is true. But recycling is only a partial answer at best until the number of retired and new cars with lithium batteries are roughly equal in number. The difference will have to be made up initially by a massive expansion in lithium mines and processing plants until these batteries are as ubiquitous as lead batteries are today.

@Berretotube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Frank, always enjoy your input and information sir.

Another thing to consider: Many times when a battery is suffering from a significant degrading of range, it is not the whole pack which is at fault, but a single cell within it. I know that is what happened with my 2016 Kia Soul EV, where one cell began to fail, causing the battery to lose 67% of its factory range. In my case Kia replaced the entire pack under warranty (which gave me 135% of my factory range, as the new battery was a third larger) but had I needed to replace the battery module holding the faulty cell outside of warranty, I was looking at around $2k out the door.

@daviddavidsonn3578

11 ай бұрын

you bought a...KIA??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Uriah625

10 ай бұрын

A co-workers brother started doing cell replacements about 5 years ago. What a lot of people don’t realize about replacement is exactly what you said, the new battery is going to be better than the old one ever was. So the cost of the battery may not go down, but you are going to be getting a much better battery. Imagine how much better they will be in another 8 years!

Ryan, this is so good!! I love the focus on the cost DECREASE. More to come! 🤜🏻🤛🏼

Let's say in the next 8 years the cost of battery goes down by 50% and it will cost you $7500 to replace battery on a car say 10 years old. That is money you have to come up with right away and most middle class folks can't come up with it with out taking a loan or putting it on high interest credit card. If only 1.5 - 2 % cars need battery replacement after 8 years then why not simply cover it by supplemental battery insurance. If anything EV makers should be offering this as an option. If they have confidence in their battery a $5.99 to 9.99 /month battery replacement insurance is something every one should be able to stomach (refurbished batteries would do). There won't be any stress buying used EVs otherwise there is always going to be anxiety and controversy.

@Lozzy-loulou

4 ай бұрын

Yes I think batteries will become much cheaper in the future!

Great informational video Ryan!

Thanks for these videos always put them on after work to nap. Always works, which is nice

Great video, Ryan. Answered a lot of my questions!

Thanks! Very informative and takes a lot of stress off my M3 ownership where I am at 4.5 years and 48 k miles.

@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife

Жыл бұрын

For a second, I thought you’re referring to a BMW M3😂

@corysilkenphotography308

Жыл бұрын

@@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife Makes sense- I doubt they measure miles on an M3 rangefinder camera, and that would be way more than 4.5 years old!

I find it interesting that at least 2 KZreadrs that I follow (you and Everyday Chris) have had your battery packs replaced. Maybe Tesla owners are more likely to produce content for You Tube, I don't know. I'm not sure what to think about that. But, if I was interested in any other (ICE) car and was following a few people on KZread about their experiences with that vehicle, and they just happened to have the engines replaced, it would definitely give me pause.

@lIIustration

3 ай бұрын

What ICE do you drive?

@MrOktsx

3 ай бұрын

@lIIustration after 3 years of researching BEV's, I decided to go with a hybrid. Bought a '24 Lexus NX 350h. I had a CX-5 for seven years before that. My main concern with an EV is range. I need a vehicle that can reliably drive 200 miles round-trip, regardless of weather, without having to charge. The more research I did, the less interested I was in an EV. My use-need may change some day, but right now the infrastructure and tech are just not there yet for some rural areas.

@lIIustration

3 ай бұрын

@x Are you not worried about the hybrid battery on the lexus which will cost at least $10,000 to replace after 10 years? Or the screen which is a $5000 part? Or wear and tear of the ICE engine like valve seals, valve stems, timing chain, etc? Also, where I live most hybrid vehicles do not qualify for rebates which is a potential saving of $9000 depending on your income.

@MrOktsx

3 ай бұрын

@lIIustration valve stems?🤣 All kidding aside, no. It's a Lexus. They've (Toyota) been making hybrids for over 25 years. A very conservative company that builds longevity into their products. I plan to keep it 5-7 years and see where the EV market is at that time.

@lIIustration

3 ай бұрын

@@MrOktsx You're buying new cars and selling after 5-7 years but worried about an EV battery with 8 year warranty? 🤣 I think your depreciation is already a huge chunk of the battery itself, and this is from a guy who owns 3 ICE vehicles (2008 prius, 2000 porsche 911, 2010 F150).

Thank you Ryan, this was very informative. Great Videos!

Thank you. You even answered questions I didn't even know I had

Ryan, I found this video helped answer a lot of my concerns on battery replacement and costs. I plan on buying a model Y and keeping it until I cannot drive anymore, and then pass it on. I would assume in about 20 years. I will be home charging with the car in the garage at the slowest rate that achieves the charging I need and charging every night, skipping supercharging as much as possible. The cost for replacement appears high for now, but with the saturation in the marketplace so low now, I also believe the replacement cost is going nowhere but down.

@cjflack

Жыл бұрын

why would you skip supercharging? its been proven it has no effect on the battery, i supercharge daily, my battery has lost 7 miles in 2 yeas, which is nothing. you're over thinking it man, drive it charge it wherever and whenever at whatever speeds and have fun, you'll never have a problem, don't over think it.

@Uriah625

10 ай бұрын

Odds are the cost won’t go “down”. I speculate it will stay in that $10k range, but the new battery will be superior to what you had to begin with.

With $22,000 I can buy a Toyota ICE and it will last 40 years.

Excellent content in this vid, Ryan!

If the Model 3 is such a good battery in terms of longevity, as much of the Internet is repeating, why is it warranted for lesser number of miles compared to the other Tesla models?

@Gabri3lRocha

5 ай бұрын

You answered your own question

Thanks Ryan. I always enjoy learning something from all your videos. Keep ‘em coming. Have you done a video on the Tesla CCS charger and when Tesla will allow you to set as destination or other manner to precondition the battery. Do any of the aftermarket apps have a manual setting to do this? Thanks again.

@lindam.1502

Жыл бұрын

My Tesla Model 3 app allows me to precondition my battery every weekday at 830am and then 3.30pm for commuting

@bobsilva6222

Жыл бұрын

@@lindam.1502 thank you, but that is home. My question was meant to address going on a trip and setting a CCS charger as the destination. Car will not precondition. Only hack I have seen is to navigate to a SC near the CCS then add the CCS as a stop after your car starts to precondition for the SC. Then you can delete the SC and precondition will continue. Any way else?

Tesla parts guy here. One thing nobody ever mentions in these videos is the fact that the cost of a replacement HV pack can be much less than people think, especially on the older S and X models. This is because most packs that fail are refurbished by Tesla and are made available for replacements. If you have a vehicle that needs a pack replacement out of warranty, you will initially be quoted the cost of a new pack which can be around 20k depending on the model. Parts can request a quote on a replacement and if a refurbished pack is available we will get an exact price for the customer. I have seen a pack replacement for an older S be as "cheap" as 9k. The cost of the pack depends on how much of it is new cells. In the case of the 9k replacement, the customer went ahead of it because they love their car and they felt is was worth that to keep it on the road. I would also ask everyone who is making a big deal about the cost of a replacement pack to go price what it would cost to replace the engine in their ICE car if it were to fail outside of warranty. Maybe cheaper than a battery, but maybe not depending on what you are driving.

@baldisaerodynamic9692

Жыл бұрын

with these newer cars, and ones with turbos.....certainly going up and up and up.

@EwanM11

Жыл бұрын

If the ice car has similar performance to the Tesla, engine replacement price will probably be in the same ballpark. Those twin turbo V8s ain't cheap.

@adoniswilliams3046

Жыл бұрын

Nobody mentions that because the service department at Tesla leaves a lot to be desired. When my battery failed on my 2014 S85 I couldn't even call a dealership and talk to someone, I had to send a service request through an app. Then the service center without even calling me or seeing the car sent me a message on the app less than 24 hours later with an estimate for $21,000 to replace the high voltage battery AND THEY HADN'T EVEN SEEN THE CAR! 😂 I requested a phone call and was finally contacted and told they don't need to see the car, because the codes they can see all lead to needing a new battery. If what you are saying is accurate, the dealership should be completely diagnosing the battery before quoting someone for a $21k repair on a vehicle they purchased for $100k and only has 55,000 miles on it. That's a slap in the face to your highest-level customer. If I had dropped that $120k at Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, or Maserati (all vehicles I have owned before), at least the customer service would have been up to par.

@johngerraughty

11 ай бұрын

@@adoniswilliams3046 Agreed. A service advisor should have contacted you early on to explain things. The pack can be diagnosed remotely, but an advisor should have let you know that unless there was impact damage to the pack then it would be covered under the battery warranty. Even in the case of impact damage, insurance typically covers that under collision so it is rare for any customer to have to pay for a pack replacement out of pocket.

@Gabri3lRocha

5 ай бұрын

@@johngerraughtythe insurance premiums go up. Love my Tesla model 3 rwd but I’m starting to get very nervous about the possibility of having to replace the pack once warranty runs out. Or even in warranty with the possibility of impact damage

Thanks for the information

Thanks for this video very helpful and informative

I would disagree that the replacements are "rare". You have had your Model Y battery replaced. I have my 2021 Model Y HV battery replaced last January. My co-worker also had his 2020 model Y battery replaced. You can go to any of the Tesla forums and see how many people it is happening to. Yes, I know that this is not a true sample as there are thousands of happy owners, but this is a failure equal to almost 1/2 the cost the car itself. It should be way more "rare", almost never. Also, the failures may not be due to typical degradation, these replacements can be due to battery cooling system failures, BMS, etc.

@baldisaerodynamic9692

Жыл бұрын

i think the rare part is people PAYING for their replacements.....crappy batteries when new will fail early, those that made it the distance got a good one so to say..... what people fail to mention is everything else in regards to battery, cooling lines and such.

@dotsmada2855

Жыл бұрын

That's why you have to go with the statistics rather than anecdotal evidence. I think he showed a graph of the percentages in the video.

@climatenomad

3 ай бұрын

Adding to anecdotal comments, I've owned Teslas since 2015 and a very large percentage of my friends have Teslas of varying age. None has had any HV battery problems or replacements

This video was a phenomenal compilation and interpretation of data analysis. How did you do it or did you delegate the assignment to your staff and ChatGPT? The development of the video together with the interpretation of the data and the ease with which you presented it was exceptional. You are also a drummer, which consumes time at night. I would like to see how you turn out such great content! Thanks. Daniel

Great video Ryan. Thanks.

2018 RWD M3 100,000 miles. I have found that charging to different intervals regularly is great. Probably most of my charging is 90% but to do 70 and 80% on work days, waiting a couple days to plug in and charge to 90 for the weekend this has by far been the best practice. My current on screen range at 100% is 298/310 so a 4% drop.

@drjorgecampos

Жыл бұрын

Isn't the RWD M3 an LFP pack?

@mana9013

Жыл бұрын

​@@drjorgecamposno....not for 2018

@lucaspm98

Жыл бұрын

How do you know you wouldn’t have got better results with a different strategy? Without a comparison you have no idea if this was better or worse.

@jjcsystems

Жыл бұрын

@@lucaspm98 agreed. if you have to incorporate a strategy for charging your car you’ve already lost. Just keep it at 80 or 90 percent for daily commutes and switch to 100 percent when it’s needed and enjoy the vehicles.

@M.A992

Жыл бұрын

This is incorrect, Tesla added a 15 mile range increase update in 2021. So 325~298 so you’ve lost 9 percent

Thanks for the info. I was misguided in only charging every few days thinking that was using less cycles, a factor you see often in battery longevity descriptions. E.g. 10,000 recharging cycles. I will plug in daily from now on but will probably set limit to 70% as I don’t drive very far on a typical day.

@Zokeh

9 ай бұрын

Stay above 20 %, don't go over 80 %. Avoid superchargers if possible - slow charging is healthier for the battery, as it offsets more heat in the cells (heat is the #1 degeneration source). Every now and then charge to 100 %, just to balance the BMS/battery.

@brandontapia4155

6 ай бұрын

What’s the cost in 2023 is way more.

Fantastic video as usual Ryan. Really appreciate your efforts in your editing and information. I knew most of this already as I researched this, and you conveniently just put all of that together in this video. Thanks GOAT! I’m saving up for a model Y and hopefully I can use that for a decade or so! Woooo

Very balanced report. Thanks.

Great info thanks

My experience does not mirror this. I follow Tesla guidelines for charging and battery care closely. My 2021 MY has lost 12% in 20k miles/2yrs.

@dotsmada2855

Жыл бұрын

I have the same 2021 MY and mine is roughly the same. Max miles after 2 years 19k miles is around 295. I believe it started at 326, so about 10% degradation in the first 2 years for me. they say expect 12% degradation after 200k miles. We shall see if it only degrades 2% more over the next 180k miles. Who are we kidding though? I've never kept a car for 20 years. I'm already eyeing the cybertruck as a replacement, but will likely pass my model y to kids.

@ngarci8040

Жыл бұрын

So is 12% in 20k miles/2yrs good…!?!

@dotsmada2855

Жыл бұрын

@@Gay-is-_-trash Actually, hybrids are more likely to catch fire, then it's gas cars, then EVs.

@dotsmada2855

Жыл бұрын

@@Gay-is-_-trash Um, no they don't. ICE are 60 times more likely to catch fire than EVs and hybrids are 130 times more likely than EVs. I'm sure on the rare chance that an EV does catch fire it's all over the news while an ICE is just a normal occurrence so they don't even mention it.

@vipertube7182

Жыл бұрын

@@Gay-is-_-trash no they dont

When a battery degrades you can still use the car you just get less range. If a engine or transmission fails your range drops to zero until you fix it.

@jimr7731

Жыл бұрын

At some point the range drops to the level of unusable. While the initial drop is slow, it will accelerate as it reaches terminal life.

@odisy64

Жыл бұрын

​@@jimr7731 nope, batteries slow down in degradation the longer it last, the first 50k miles degrades 5% but after 200k miles it's 10%. 20% loss is considered end of life but still usable.

@mockingbird187

Жыл бұрын

I think we need to be fair on this, because degradation is degradation, and failure is failure. Some batteries will also experience sudden failure. Engines and transmissions will also experience degradation over time, but still function and move the car around. Difference is, when a battery degrades, there are still no tailpipe emissions, but when an ICE engine degrades, usually it pollutes more.

@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife

Жыл бұрын

True. We’re comparing apples to hammers😂

@robinrdale8318

Жыл бұрын

But a ten year old car will still pretty much do the same miles as it did at the start while an ev won’t and that’s why the second hand market for evs is dead and the nobody wants them

Another fantastic video. Very informative.

Is there an application that gives the battery maximum capacity like the iPhone battery health function?

My friend and I both got new electric cars last year. I got a model y LR and he got a bmw i4. I charge at home with level 2 30amp (normally have it set lower at 16amp overnight). My friend lives in a condo where home charging isn’t possible, he fast charges his car on Saturdays using electrify America chargers. I wish they were both exact same make and model to compare battery degradation evenly, time will tell on how degradation does us. So far, I haven’t noticed any degradation, I also never supercharge and constantly change charging limit between 50, 60, 70, 80 and few times to 90 percent. (I’m at 10k miles) Thanks for sharing! 🍻 ✌️

@Hillclimbheros

3 ай бұрын

I have a 23 model y performance. I have had it for almost 2 months and have put almost 6000 miles on it however I have noticed at 100 percent 303 brand new now only hits 285 at 100 percent.

@david100483

3 ай бұрын

@@Hillclimbheros I’ve noticed miles pile up quick on a lot of our tesla, that means we love driving them lol. I recently seen a video of someone improving ride quality and range in a performance model y by downsizing to lighter 18” wheels. Kinda thinking about doing this to mine. ✌️

Had a 2013 S and at 160k it had lost 12%. I have a model 3 now and at 58k it has lost just a tad less than 12%. I purchased both used so I don't know how much supercharging they had before I got them or if they were regularly charged to 100%. I rarely supercharge and keep the battery between 20-70% charged. When I got the model 3 it calculated at 17% degradation but after several months of proper treatment it now calculates to 12% degradation. Why would I purchase a 2 year old model 3 with high miles, 2 reported accidents, and showing 17% degradation? I got it for a super good deal and it came with FSD. Plus I know these batteries last a long time, EVs have little to no maintenance, and longterm they are more reliable than ICE vehicles!

@johnfruh

Жыл бұрын

I did the same thing. I bought a 2019 standard range+ M3 with 30k miles on it in Jan 2023 just before the price drops for $38k. It had been roughly used but had FSD included. After a couple of weeks of minor fixes and polishing it looks great. It even has a carbon fiber hood and trim and so looks good in black and white. Well worth the cost.

The Model S has been around for 11 years now and no big call for replacement battery packs. I’m not concerned about my Tesla personally, but very curious to see which of the “competitors” reveal inadequate battery design or management systems as they also get longer in the tooth.

Does anybody know if you can replace the battery on a M3 Standard range with a long-range battery?

My local Chevy dealer is quoting over $25,000 to replace the relatively small gen1 Chevy Volt battery. When the vehicle was in production, costs were under $5k. GM clearly wants you to just scrap Gen1 Volts instead of supporting them.

@AnhBui-zp1ee

5 ай бұрын

Sounds like a good deal take it

It’s important to note that charging from 70 to 80% often and not allowing the battery to deplete past 40% every once in a while will result in an inaccurate range estimate. Which is not the same as degradation.

@jimmyk7527

5 ай бұрын

To much work for a 80k car then for the extra auto pilot. Cars are excellent but if I paid for auto pilot when I sell it I lose that value and tesla gets another 10k. Its the future I agree

How can you tell if the buying a model Y ordered today would have HW v4 and any other upgrades that have been discussed?

I like that warranty. seems very fair

When does Tesla insurance come out in PA

@EvgeniTalks

Жыл бұрын

Bro same

But can the battery replacement be paid with a monthly plan or is it a pay-upfront fee?

Ryan, can the battery be replaced on the 2023 and newer Made in Texas Model Y since the battery pack is the structural floor of the SUV?

My brother a mechanic he just replaced a motor in a out of warranty Mercedes, he charged $28,000 for a rebuilt motor, Mercedes was going to charge $36,000. A degraded battery will still move you, a blown gas motor not so much.

@user-tb7rn1il3q

Жыл бұрын

The bad battery cells can be replaced for a few thousand. The entire pack will never fail.

@Markcain268

Жыл бұрын

@@user-tb7rn1il3q then, 6 months later some other cells go bad.....

@user-tb7rn1il3q

Жыл бұрын

@@Markcain268 A few bad cells isn’t a big deal. You can usually get another 2 years out of the pack which by that time you will probably not own the car.

@Markcain268

Жыл бұрын

@@user-tb7rn1il3q be pretty worthless by then

@paulstandaert5709

Жыл бұрын

@@user-tb7rn1il3q Yeah, and then the next guy is going to get stuck with that $15,000 repair bill. Dropping the pack out of the bottom of a Model S for individual battery module replacement is no trivial task. That'll be $5,000, please. 9 months later, that'll be another $5,000 for that other module replacement. A Tesla drive motor with stripped out splines on the motor will not get you very far, either.

This is a valid topic, of course! But think of all of the longevity problems ICE cars regularly suffer: Direct injection fouling intake valves.. Cylinder heads on Pentastar V6s crack.. Valvetrain failures on Chrysler hemis.. Overheating problems on GM V8s.. GM and Ford 10-speed transmission failures.. Exhaust manifolds cracking on all sorts of engines.. Piston slap on both Ford and GM engines.. Cylinder liner failure on various BMW engines. Engine bearing failures on various BMW engines.. “Critical tolerance” engines from many manufacturers destroying themselves when timing belts break.. On and on with the design and manufacturing flaws from ICE vehicles. I guess it’s the devil you know! 😝

@JBoy340a

Жыл бұрын

As the owner of many BMWs Turbos were the things that we replaced. Ran around $7500 for new turbo and wastegate and occurred in 80-90K mile range.

@matthewprather7386

Жыл бұрын

@@JBoy340a ouch.

@simeonellinger2064

4 ай бұрын

My Lexus is getting close to 260k miles and still going. IDK why American cars have gotten so bad, we don't even make cool looking cars anymore, in my opinion. Not that my Lexus looks amazing either ('05 rx330)

IF A BATTERY COSTS $20k retail and on average of about 1% fail. Then the manufacturers should simply add $200 to every vehicle and guarantee all batteries for the life of the vehicle. I'd gladly pay $200 for this.

the impact & cost of structural batteries to recycling & replacement will be interesting to see

@safeandeffectivelol

11 ай бұрын

It costs Tesla $7000 to recycle each battery now. That's not 100% recycle either

Good to see that the out-of-warranty replacement rate is still pretty low, but as the Model 3 comes out of warranty, some people are going to find themselves in a terrible situation. Currently a 4 year old Model 3 is worth around $30-35k. After 8 years it will very likely be worth less than the cost to replace its battery. That’s what the insurance industry calls a TOTAL loss, in other words, you’re better off scrapping the car than making the repair. Even if the battery doesn’t need replacement in 8 years, what will happen to resale value as buyers realize they could be buying a car with an impending $15-20k repair bill? Less of an issue with the more expensive S and X, but the 3 and Y may see their values nearly collapse when the warranties expire.

@coooooool12342

Жыл бұрын

Tesla have a strong floor around 20k

@TB-up4xi

Жыл бұрын

Will end up being a bigger non-issue than the Y2K bug when everybody realises that the battery failure even at 8 years is very low. Nobody is thinking hey that 3 year old BMW M3 with 45k miles only has a 4 year 50k mile warranty I might need a $20k engine replacement soon so it's worthless. The average EV battery pack for the model 3 will last many many years past the warranty date.

@shane864

Жыл бұрын

A "dead" battery is $10,000 in highly refined rare earth metals that are 100% recyclable. This is a non issue.

@paulclement4961

Жыл бұрын

@@shane864 It’s an issue for the people who are paying up to $15,000 or more for a new battery! LOL

@shane864

Жыл бұрын

@@paulclement4961 Now do blown up engines and transmissions that cost the same or more to replace and make an ICE car completely unusable, where the hypothetical worn out battery is still going to be able to drive quite a bit until its repaired. It's a non issue.

My friend just recently went through battery replacement on his Tesla Model S 2013 85 kwh pack with 230 thousand miles. Here in Europe, the cost of replacement with labor is 10000 euros, which is about 12000 dollars. It looks like they just refurbished them and put in new contactors, fuses, wiring, cooling pipes, and those 16 PCB boards that are the most common cause of failure. From my experience working on other brands battery packs, cells are never the cause of battery replacement.

@joemcdonough7509

Жыл бұрын

That's correct. There's an independent shop here in the US (057 Tech) that confirms the same thing. It is primarily moisture leaking into the battery packs and causing corrosion on the contacts. It especially impacts Model S with VIN numbers ending under 70,000, or 2013, 2014, and early 2015 model S. I'm also noticing those who get failed batteries are those with super low miles (under 60K). My theory is that because they sit more than they drive, the batteries don't heat up enough and often to vaporize the moisture build ups and thus corrosion spreads among the pack connectors.

Ryan could you do a blog about motor replacement in tesla,s and how much is this an issue .apologies if i have missed a blog previously done

Great Work!!!! Stay Hip 🎉😊

I believe Scan My Tesla has many stats on how the Traction battery has been charged over time; however, an OBDII dongle and Bluetooth reader is required to access these stats. That said Tesla or a third party could potentially sell a report related to the HV battery usage among other stats. EEVEE could provide a potential buyer fairly detailed data regarding charging. I use EEVEE, which is free, so I could show a buyer details on how I charged my Model 3 over time.

@thebrain7693

Жыл бұрын

yes, should have mentioned SMT in the video. Anyone shopping for used Tesla should get it with OBD/cable. All will cost ~$50 and can be used later as an owner and for other cars as well.

8 years is nothing in car age. I would be terrified of having a 20k bill potentially holding me hostage every day

@carlkim2577

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. I drove my Benz for 14 years, very little maintenance costs.

Does the new Tesla replacement battery (within past 8 months) still need to be baby as much as the older or original 1st gen Model S battery packs?

Wow !!!! EXCELLENT VIDEO

If you only use fast chargers, the degradation will be significantly faster on a Tesla 3. Maybe the cooling is not good enough. . Not all people on this planet live in their own houses. There is something called apartments. If you're lucky, you live in a country where there is an electricity connection in the parking lot outside the apartment that can be used

@climatenomad

3 ай бұрын

What are you basing this statement on from a data perspective. I know I've seen studies that showed *zero* statistical difference between cars that were mostly fast charged for their miles and ones that were never fast charged. Why? Because the cooling system and battery management system keep the cells in an optimal range to avoid doing any damage using the fast charger that would exceed the levels from 110v charging. It's the *heat* that would cause more wear but Tesla doesn't allow it to get hot enough to cause that issue during fast charging. Incidentally I read research at Stanford that looked at lithium ion battery charging at the electron level and discovered that the charging isn't incremental. The materials go from "not charged" to "charged" all at once at that level. There is no slower or faster rate of charging other than how many of them you are flipping at once from uncharged to charged at that level which of course doesn't add any additional stress regardless of speed. Of course heat is generated in this process and the temp of the cells during charging have some optimal temp range which must be maintained. According to the battery day high level discussion on the 4680, the size of the cell vs the physical tab connectors has a big impact along with the composition of the anodes in terms of heat generated, and thus safe charging speed. Net/net: I've seen no evidence that fast charging is any different than only using a wall outlet. One last random data point: my buddy and I both have 2019 Tesla Model 3 Long Ranges. I have charged mine 75% from Superchargers and 25% other and now have 75k miles on mine. He's charged his 95% at home and has only 25k miles. Using the imperfect metric of displayed range as a proxy for general battery degradation yielded a 2 mile difference between our cars which is lost in the statistical noise

I have a 2014 Model S85. My drive unit went out at 43,000 miles and was fortunately replaced under warranty. My high voltage battery went out at 55,000 miles and I was 1 month outside of the 8 year time warranty so Tesla refused to help and sent me a bill for $21,000. I absolutely baby this car, as you can see from the low mileage. I followed every charging recommendation and prior to the battery failing I had very little degradation. My vehicle still drives as if it was brand new, I just only get 92 miles per charge now. I think that's the most frustrating part, I would almost rather Tesla let me completely destroy the battery than only allow 92 miles (about 70 real world miles) at a time. Long story short, buy an extended warranty and buy new. You would be a brave person to buy a used Tesla and risk your battery failing shortly after buying it and facing a $21,000 bill.

@lowkeygrinders

10 ай бұрын

I’m stuck in a similar situation what solution have you came up with ?

@adoniswilliams3046

10 ай бұрын

@lowkeygrinders5873 There are a couple of after market shops that will replace the battery for $7,500. I've thought about going that route because I still have a loan on the vehicle. I could get it fixed and then sell it and cut my losses or just pray it doesn't happen again. In the meantime I've just been driving 90 miles at a time, which is all it will charge to.

@CXLEBB

10 ай бұрын

Mine drives but charges to 256 miles im out of warrenty and battery needs replacement the quoted 16,000$

@lowkeygrinders

10 ай бұрын

@@CXLEBB what year it yours ?

@CXLEBB

10 ай бұрын

@@lowkeygrinders 2013 P85+ 66k miles

how does the price change when the battery pack is structural - so it is part of the frame and not removable?

Great video... I dont know if you want to add talking about the new battery health assessments owners can request of their cars in the app and if it is ok to show service mode data on battery health...

I'm doubtful that a structural battery pack can be replaced for $22k. I watched Sandy Munro's company dismantle one. Just to get to the battery pack the car had to be almost completely disassembled. Plus, embedded in that pink structural foam it's unlikely anyone will be able to replace individual cells or connectors.

@thebrain7693

Жыл бұрын

can't replace individual cells on any battery for Tesla, it won't last..

@paradigmshift7

Жыл бұрын

Those are for the new 4680 cells which are rumored to last much longer (~1M miles) than the much more common 18650 and 2170 cells, which don't have the pink foam.

@frederickmartin6998

Жыл бұрын

@@thebrain7693 That may be true but I did see one KZread video where an aftermarket business did replace 2-3 individual cells plus several battery management chips. That couldn't have done on a structural battery pack.

@frederickmartin6998

Жыл бұрын

@@paradigmshift7 Have you seen Tesla state that the 4680's would last one million miles? All I've seen is Elon stating that as a goal/likelihood. So far Tesla still only guarantees greater than 70% for 8 years / 120,000 miles.

@paradigmshift7

Жыл бұрын

@@frederickmartin6998 The 4680s are currently not even scaled for mass production yet, so of course I havent seen it happen... YET. I also know that the truth is somewhere in the middle, but goes to show if they're putting pink foam down on those batteries, they don't expect to be replacing them for the life of the car. Guess we'll see what's what. Either way, again as stated on the video, costs of battery replacement is expected to go down as scale of production increases, so even worst case scenario, IF you have to replace the batteries, it will still cost less than what you would have paid to maintain an ICE for the same amount of miles. And that's a big IF, as it is far more probable you won't have to.

Really a NON issue for modern EV’s. There are also more third party repair option which are alot cheaper then a replacement.

@nathanielfrye55

Жыл бұрын

Do you know where these companies are located ?

@safeandeffectivelol

11 ай бұрын

$20,000 is a non-issue 🤣🤣🤣

It would be intersting to also compare the costs to a full replacement of an ICE engine in similar models.

I have a 2013 model S with 180k miles. Original everything, still going!

You compared EV battery degradation to phone battery. Neglected to mention that phone batteries are optimized for size and planned obsolescence. EV batteries have more options to protect the battery like liquid cooling.

@climatenomad

3 ай бұрын

the bigger issue is the lack of cooling which is the main thing preventing longer battery life in the phone when fast charging I suspect

EV is just good business. Like a phone, the battery will ultimately die and require a new car or new battery. Meanwhile you can drive a Lexus for 20 years.

@dotsmada2855

Жыл бұрын

Yep, you're spot on. Teslas just have a bunch of cell phone batteries tapped to the undercarriage. No way that lasts. Seriously though, how much do you think it would cost in maintenance to get a Lexus to last 20 years?

@dotsmada2855

Жыл бұрын

You can look up the annual maintenance of vehicles. By year 12 the average maintenance cost is $1,600 for a Lexus. It would keep going up year after year until it hit 20 probably at an accelerated rate. They only went up to 12 years though on the site I found (car edge). By year 12 there's a 33% chance of some major repair needed as well. Go check out a Tesla's stats. They are much much lower.

@climatenomad

3 ай бұрын

@@dotsmada2855 plus cheaper to charge. 1/2 or 1/3 cost of gas for that Lexus which is slower

great channel bro

Fantastic summary all in one place that I can refer people when they ask about the green impact of EV batteries. I'm tired of explaining it and seeing a lack of belief in people's eyes just because it's not on mainstream news

I bought a Model Y in late 2021. Just had to have the battery completely replaced. It was no big deal; Tesla replaced it for free under warranty, the replacement took a approximately one week, and they provided me with a loaner Model 3 while I waited for my car to be fixed. I was a little surprised that my Model Y already needed a replacement, but getting a replacement was very quick and easy.

@baldisaerodynamic9692

Жыл бұрын

while that sucks, think about this....many cars need engine replacements or a transmission replacement in 1-4 years too....its just different parts in the same industry.

@yasserblanquet

Жыл бұрын

why was your battery replaced?

@Chevy2U

Жыл бұрын

Details would be helpful

@JFDJubileeRiver

Жыл бұрын

@@baldisaerodynamic9692 Which make or model requires engine or transmission replacement in 1-4 years? I’ve never seen that stats before. Not even from the big three…

@baldisaerodynamic9692

Жыл бұрын

@@JFDJubileeRiver then you are blind. ford bronco is an easy one. GM 10 speed transmissions, fords too. eco boost 4 cyl. bro, the list goes on and on.

I drove a used 2017 Chevy Bolt EV from 49K miles up to 146K miles in a little over 2 years. My experience was about 8% degradation, and I was charging to 100% daily and often got below 5% doing rideshare in Minnesota. I was still getting over 240 miles per charge when GM bought back my car. My full ownership experience is on my channel if you are interested.

I will have had my M3 performance for 4 years this December and I don't need to replace my battery. I don't do all the tech details, but the tesla app showed me I had 290 miles upon delivery and its about 260 miles at 100% now.

Any comment on the high cost of accidents and insurance? I'm told insurance cost is very high because companies total EV's due to potential battery damage. Even when they don't the repair cost is very high.

I had my 2013 P85 Model S battery replaced in July 2022. It was considerably cheaper than the prices quoted in the video, so that's good news for all! Being that Tesla does not make 85 kilowatt batteries any longer, it's actually a 90 kW battery software restricted to 85 kilowatts. It's an extra $3,000 to unlock the extra 5 kilowatts, in my opinion not worth it. The total cost of the battery came to $11,274 + $529 in labor to install it. So $12,676 with California sales tax out the door! The new replacement battery comes with a 4-year warranty.

@jml9550

Жыл бұрын

Did you replace the battery pack with new Tesla batteries or remanufactured packs? Thx.

@DowneyPools-sb1tw

Жыл бұрын

Should I buy a 2013 p60 original battery with low miles??? 25k

@ca8281

Жыл бұрын

@@DowneyPools-sb1tw why not just put that money down on a new one or a M3/MY and get something brand new?

@adoniswilliams3046

Жыл бұрын

What shop did you have this replacement completed at? I live just north of you in Oregon and was just quoted $21,000 for the battery replacement in my 2014 S85 from Tesla of Portland. I find it hard to believe a Tesla dealership in California would be charging less, or did you have it replaced at an aftermarket repair shop?

@Gabri3lRocha

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@ca8281because then you would in essence be paying $45k after taxes for a new battery. Dang some people are really bad with money. I mean if your rich you do what you want but you’re suggestions is ridiculous

I already drove my m 3 for 194000 miles and it lost around 10÷ of it's capacity. I have to charge it to 90÷

@mathieusturkenboom

Жыл бұрын

These cars are built like tanks Commercial drivers can bring them to 1million miles im sure

@TheBriansle

Жыл бұрын

what was the maintenance costs over that time?

@jaimepena1877

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBriansle mmmm 5 sets of tires, 2. 12 volt batteries, one windshild,one window adjuster it was getting stuck. A service to the fronk was not opening. And one alignment. I always charge it at home very little use supper charged.

@mathieusturkenboom

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBriansle im on my second tesla, both at 100k km and only thing is cabin air filter and tires

I knew someone who worked in a Toyota dealership, she said they never replaced a Prius battery, this was around 6 or 7 years ago.... they typically didn't go Roman candle all that often. The new ones are quite fetching.

I wonder what the complications are, with replacing structural battery packs?

@jintsuubest9331

Жыл бұрын

Nothing as far as compare to module we have now. It is not like individual module are made cheap to replaced. It is just replacement cost will always going to be max.

My '12 Chev Volt has 110k miles on it and has only lost about 15% capacity and still works perfect, and we charge it every day, ~10% - 100%, due to the small batt. size. Just ordered a Model Y today and confident it will last many years with very, very little degradation.

@jjcsystems

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input. I have a 19 Model X. 52k miles on it so far. I will drive the vehicle until it dies.

I had my Mercedes GL450 at the dealership to get quotes for two simple repairs. Change the gasket on the oil filter / cooler housing where it mounts to the engine block and replace a small valve that controls the air suspension. Total quote for this was $4,400.00 . They didn't figure out that two fuse box PCB's were bad, that would have been another $2,000. So you can spend a fortune and get almost nothing working on ICE cars.

@jml9550

Жыл бұрын

Typical German cars problem. Toyota and Lexus are much better in repair. Of course they are not as luxurious as the GL.

@wgemini4422

Жыл бұрын

@@jml9550 Are they? My local dealer just raised the price for oil change from $60 to $90 (CAD). I was paying $30 a few years ago. The 12v costed me over $300. I don't even dare to ask how much it is going to cost to fix the VVT actuator and timing chain. I will just let them rattle until I can afford an EV.

@jml9550

Жыл бұрын

@@wgemini4422 they are. If you have owned a Mercedes BMW or Audi you will know. I have. I have a co worker it’s a Porsche and it is even higher. Battery you don’t need to go the the dealer. Costco can do it at 1/3 of the price. Oil change as well. I have 3 Lexuses in our household and they are by far much less to maintain than Germans over the same period of time. EVs are great. Initials cost may be high and depends on climate and charging locations it may make sense for you.

@wgemini4422

Жыл бұрын

@@jml9550 Oh god, I would never own one of those (maybe i4, but unlikely). My prius has a special 12v I couldn't find in costco, although I do know that in the states, you can find much cheaper generic ones. But repairs nowadays seem to be expensive everywhere, mostly for labor and dealership profits.

One thing people should know that's completely absent from this video is that the batteries degrade over time. Don't expect a 10 year old battery to still be good because it's under 200k. Notice the warranties are for an amount of miles OR years. Just because it can charge to 90% doesn't mean it won't fail and charge to 0% tomorrow. I can see a lot of people getting burned by these facts in the future in the used market.

What they do with the old batteries inside after it's replaced

I think EVs will have a residual value problem when they hit 8 years because if the battery dies after that the car is a total loss.

@baldisaerodynamic9692

Жыл бұрын

this. someone can put 12k down on a new car with a warranty than dumping 12k in a car that has no more warranty, and if anything else goes wrong then its always money out of pocket...door handles, seats, computers, BCMs, suspension, steering rack, drive unit, etc etc. best to trade it in with some of the battery warranty left to preserve some value, or if you suspect the battery is getting worse ditch it and let someone else deal with it while its still a useful car.

@dotsmada2855

Жыл бұрын

Should be factored in the price when you buy an old EV, just like any other car that's no longer under warranty.

@tellyboy17

Жыл бұрын

@@dotsmada2855 But how do you factor in the fact that a part with a 10% failure rate, further increasing over time will instantly make the car worthless...

@JBoy340a

Жыл бұрын

@@tellyboy17 you factor in like the probability of transmission or engine failing after 8 years. You check the statistics and play the odds.

I think you need to mention how much a V8 5.4 L New Engine would cost. Engine Out, Factory Purchased New Engine (Not a recon) then the Shipping and then the Fitting etc.. | I can guarantee you will be up there with EV batteries and labour costs. I remember buying a brand new Ford Gearbox (fitted myself) and it was a small fortune. I bought it because there were no secondhand ones available because it was a new gearbox. My point is Context. Where is the comparison cost with ICE? Now go for a BMW or AUDI engine brand new! Yikes. There really is nothing to fear.

@MrGoogle87

Жыл бұрын

Well, I have worked on cars my whole life. It is always relatively easy to partially replace parts… Never had a customer need to buy a factory new engine (and you dont know them Either) For the glued batteries that is not really the case (hope my Y battery lives long).. Batteries die rately, but they do and if that is yours… HURT!

@svenhodaka9145

Жыл бұрын

Yup, my Audi 2.0L turbo with 168,000 kms needs to be replaced. (severe oil consumption) $12,000 CDN and that’s if the clutch is OK!😲

@jimr7731

Жыл бұрын

The frequency of an ICE power train replacement is rare. A battery replacement is not if but when. A battery can only handle so many charge and discharge cycles.

@phishstyx

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGoogle87 Me too, but that’s less and less practical with modern ICE vehicles. These days ICE engines are covered with electric actuators and control modules that require specialized tools and software to work on. Even over just the last 5 years anything other than budget wheels is going to have a complex engine and god help you if it’s a hybrid.

@jimr7731

Жыл бұрын

@@skellington2000 comparing engines to batteries is silly. Battery is a fuel tank. Electric motor is the power plant and it’s pretty solid. The fuel storage is the area of concern.

GM ultium battery packs are structural components of the vehicle body? Are the battery packs replaceable with this type of design?

@climatenomad

3 ай бұрын

I think Ultium is just a brand name and not tied to a specific unified engineering design itself but I could be wrong

How to install the roof wind shield?

These battery replacement costs will scare off a lot of people. Keep in mind that the big deal is when they battery pack fails after warranty's expired. Most ICE vehicles never need an engine replacement. Every EV will need a battery replacement at some point, so who's going to be left holding the bag? That's the scary part.

@dotsmada2855

Жыл бұрын

If you watched the video you can see it's very rare to actually have to replace the battery. Maybe it's also rare for an ICE vehicle to get a total engine replacement, but there are plenty of other things in an ICE that crap out that cost thousands to repair which an EV doesn't have to worry about.

@coryvb3056

Жыл бұрын

@@dotsmada2855 totally so much in ice that can fail. In fact my 2013 66k mileage Hyundai Santa Fe engine blew up. Hyundai replaced thankfully, but took two months. I purchased a 22 MYP and never looked back.

@porschematt991

Жыл бұрын

@@coryvb3056I had a 2018 Elantra and that engine blew up at 45k miles. I got a Model 3 now & very happy.

@wgemini4422

Жыл бұрын

Every ICE vehicles would need an engine replacement at some point. Most people just get new cars before that. Hopefully, it would be the same for EVs although I really hope they will be able to recycle the batteries.

@JBoy340a

Жыл бұрын

@@dotsmada2855 agreed. Replaces a lot of turbos in BMWs at 70-80K miles. Around $7500 each

It’s gotten really bad out here. Mostly 2012 to 2014 MS cars are bricking left and right…right now. Please do more videos on this. Lots of TMC folks with horror stories.

@Udontwannaknow_

Жыл бұрын

Source? This doesn’t seem true.

@twistacatz

Жыл бұрын

@@Udontwannaknow_ he said TMC.

@thebrain7693

Жыл бұрын

need to compare to amount of cars sold, TMC mostly has folks with issues. Still a low percentage of cars with dying batteries...

The fact you had to have your battery replaced within 8 years, means that out of warranty, the battery could die at any time, without warning. I'd love to pick up a used 2015 or so Model S, but driving a $20k time bomb is disturbing, not to mention the $5k motors and suspension problems with the older cars. Tesla should make cheap battery replacement warranties, or some other ways of making the car last far beyond the standard 8 year warranty. The goal after all, is to make the World a Greener place. Building Teslas is a very fossil fuel intensive process, they need to be on the road as long as possible, to have a positive impact on the environment.

@tiloalo

7 ай бұрын

The world a greener place? If it was the case they would allow independent shop to offer repair, but no, it's much more profitable to only offer new part.

Replaced my 2013 Model S85 battery last year, $12,500 via refurb battery. Lasted 9+ years sucks as just past the warranty. Fluke as most batteries should last longer. Only caveat that made it easier was I've had Free Lifetime Supercharging. Later same year got rear-ended. Drove fine and needed some minor repairs but insurance opted to total. In a new Model S and looking forward to many years and miles via roadtrips throughout US.

@theempire00

6 ай бұрын

$12k 😳😳😳😳😳. Not worth it imo

@TrumpAlwaysWins.

5 ай бұрын

@@theempire00*dodge challenger engine costing 26k joins the chat*

Take Elon's tweets with a spoonful of salt? More like a bucket of salt!

@dotsmada2855

Жыл бұрын

usually the expression is "pinch of salt", so he did upgrade it already. I tend to agree with you though, a bucket is probably more like it for most tweets he makes.

a TWENTY TWO THOUSAND DOLLAR replacement? Yeah, no thanks. I'll keep my 20 year old Toyota. it runs and costs me almost nothing in comparison.

@RyanShawtech

Жыл бұрын

Haha well maybe watch the video? 🥲

@Aster-Asher

Жыл бұрын

@@RyanShawtech 😭

@phishstyx

Жыл бұрын

Pffft 20 year old Toyota? No thanks. My horses eat grass that grows in my yard for free and don’t even need a road. Like to see you make fuel for that Toyota at home.

@thebrain7693

Жыл бұрын

@@RyanShawtech Thats the problem with misleading titles lol

@baldisaerodynamic9692

Жыл бұрын

everything is relevant, and your needs may allow you to have a 20 year old car. i have a 27 year old lexus with 210k miles. needs work but motor and trans are solid and incredibly smooth, its a great beater car, second car that others use more than i do. but then theres people that NEED the newest and best, or need a newer car for work, etc. I NEED a newer car for work, however if it wasnt for that id go and pay $5-6k for an older town car thats a solid large safe workhorse of a vehicle. no payment, cheap insurance, and even paying $150 a month for gas is cheaper than the payment alone on a newcar. I chose the tesla because a new ICE and the M3 were similar in price, but the payments, insurance, and gas were all factored in and the M3 was going to save me 200-400 a month based on my usage and needs over an ICE vehicle.

So if I have a salvaged Tesla, would I still be covered or it would be our of warranty?

Both electirc or transmission cars have their issues nothing is certian and its just up to what you would want to deal with when the time comes. Both also have their negatives. Either way you slice it just depends on what you would rather deal with in the long run

What's your thoughts on AG1?