Please, please, please do more of these. This was so funny and interesting to watch. You were both awesome commentators and, like everyone else has pointed out, it's so awesome to see FSD from another driver's perspective.

@bgbthabun627

2 жыл бұрын

ikr?

@brapp181

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, we have two Tesla's and some behavior is exactly the same and some is super different. We do however had a 3 and a Y. That would be an awesome video to do too!

FSD makes me feel like a crazy person. It does all of this fantastic stuff when I don't have any passengers, and then makes a fool of me as soon as someone is in the car with me.

@Sal3600

2 жыл бұрын

no. its just that you're more aware of its mistake with passengers present.

@codemonkey2k5

2 жыл бұрын

Yah, me too.

@Unkn0wnC0mmand

2 жыл бұрын

This. 100x this. Lol.

@baokimnguyen2358

2 жыл бұрын

Hahah

@richardgoldsmith7278

2 жыл бұрын

You can identify excuses when you’re in control for some behaviours so you downgrade their significance in your mind, but when you have passengers, they will not have that same comfort and are also unable to intervene and likely to be more disconcerted by minor quirks.

I would love to more of this, but probably with a few changes. 1) I think a split-screen view would be better; showing both perspectives at the same time 2) It would probably be better if you were in contact with each other through the whole thing so you can pause or reset if one of the cars totally messes up like with the lack of internet 3) Make sure all your settings are the same, including speed offset

@catbert7

2 жыл бұрын

And don't go at the same time. Him being right in front of you is throwing off the test.

@madhououinkyoma

2 жыл бұрын

@@catbert7 Being right in front is better as more likely to encounter the same cars and so closer resemblance of situations

@larrysimth9077

2 жыл бұрын

@@madhououinkyoma agreed

@SinergiaAlUnisono

2 жыл бұрын

jajaja I thought of it even before seen the footage, as happening this way..

I love it to see it from a following vehicles perspective. This helps so much more in understanding the current status of FSD Beta.

@kevdogsab

2 жыл бұрын

The current status of FSD is practically where it was 8 months ago when they opened the beta program to people with safety scores of 100. There is no way FSD is going to be ready before 2030.

@dominicmillstrunnell2805

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevdogsab this is so wrong it's funny.

A-B testing just makes sense from an engineering standpoint.

Oh man, I was just there yesterday, I could have bring my 3 with FSD beta, Great Vid!!!

I've done a FSD meetup before. It's SUPER fun and I could easily go for a few hours. Recommend no more than 4 cars at once though just to keep it manageable.

This is really good and helpful. My MY behaves just like Matt says his did at the beginning of Beta. I frequently have to stop it after only 10 or 15 seconds, it can rarely handle any real interactions where other cars are around. I'm never comfortable just letting it do its thing on the neighborhood streets, because I'm sure all the other cars around me are just like "what in the world? why doesn't this guy just drive the car?" I keep hoping for better with each beta release, but so far, no joy.

@catbert7

2 жыл бұрын

Mine was like that too. Terrible at turns. Super jerky acceleration and steering. Next update, it was way better. Seems like getting data on the area helps pretty fast.

Yes!! More like this please. Very interesting to see the variations and similarities on the same routes with different cars. Loved it!

This was fun! Maybe it can be regular thing, like every 6 months, to track progress?

@sking2173

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. It’s fun … because it’s funny, in a pitiful sort of way …

VERY interesting! FSD beta KZread videos have gotten...routine...now that the software is getting better and better with each release. This format with two vehicles following the same route is very cool! Please do more of this. 🙂 Just a suggestion, but it might be interesting if both of you are on the phone with each other the entire time while driving (assuming it doesn't create too much of a distraction). Keep up the great work!

5:25 Perfect example of why the Model X windshield is the best thing ever. Sometimes you just can’t see the light. Yes, I know his car stopped too far forward. But when you’re taller and your head basically touches the roof, it’s the same visibility as this situation, but everywhere

Would love to see this same comparison with one car on 10.12 and one with 10.11.2, to get a real-time comparison of how the new version improves or does worse with the same conditions. Hopefully you’ll get 10.12 in the next week or so!

Very well done. Has so many others, love the comparisons. Same versions, yet act different and same. I liked how you organize one turn after another, getting each of your reaction. Split screen only when you are both talking. Very well done. 👍 look forward to more like this.

love these collaborations! great job

Thank you for the great comparison! More please!

This was a fun and interesting video. Thanks for doing it! Please do more of these!

I’ve had beta since last September so I’ve had experience with quite a few versions. It was getting to the point where I actually enjoyed using it since it rarely made any serious mistakes and only needed coaxing with the accelerator pedal but that was getting predictable and with coaxing FSD would follow the correct path. With this version, I would be reluctant to have anyone else in the car while it was engaged. In a previous career I drove a squad car. If I was following a car that drove the way FSD did on my last trip, I would’ve pulled it over and given that driver a field sobriety test. It was that bad. Hopefully the next version will get us back on the right path.

@catbert7

2 жыл бұрын

It's so hard to track progress, when each update is good for some and bad for others, and it depends so much on location. I really hope we're making overall progress, and not just shuffling cards.

That was a great video and liked you guys were in a new location for both your Teslas. Thank you Matt & Chris. Hopefully more comparison videos to come? FYI, Northville Winery & Parmenters are long time family friends.

it was very interesting to see how you didnt have to intervene on your beta on the part with the cones, but he did. its almost like it instantly learned from its mistake. nice video

This video is great! I’ve had FSD beta for 7 months now and honestly it hasn’t improved much at all. I’m starting to think FSD is a joke. Some turning has improved but the idea that it is getting closer to public release is laughable. This video proves my point perfectly. FSD has literally tried to kill me at least 20 times, crossing lines getting onto a highway on-ramp (with traffic coming in that lane at high speeds), almost getting into accidents through every round-a-bout (crossing lanes back and forth for no reason), or jamming on the brakes for no reason with a flashing yellow light on a highway, then stopping in the middle of the road after passing the flashing light. Phantom braking has improved (a little) in 7 months, but the idea Tesla is going to open this soon to the general public is a joke. I have driven at least 2 million miles in my lifetime and never had an accident. FSD has almost gotten me killed (or at least into an accident) at least 20 times in under 10k miles driven on it. Paying $12k for FSD today is a mistake, and I’m a huge tesla fanboy. I paid $5k for it 3 years ago and $5k isn’t worth the auto lane change functionality. I would never buy another Tesla with FSD until it is level 5 (maybe in 10 years?).

@brianp8384

2 жыл бұрын

I have had FSD since they let in the 98 scores and I think it has improved in some ways but in others, actually taken a step back. I used to watch Chris's videos before I had FSD and thought it looked "close to ready". Actually driving with it is a very different experience and I agree it feels a long way from ready. I live in Tucson, which has fairly heavy traffic that is, for reasons unknown, made up of a high percentage of very aggressive and very poor drivers. Unless I'm driving at a very low traffic time, it is almost impossible to use FSD. My wife is so fed up with it that she no longer lets me engage it when she is in the car.

@MacGuyver85

2 жыл бұрын

Progress is not linear.

@kevdogsab

2 жыл бұрын

@@MacGuyver85 I'm guessing you don't use fsd beta. there is a reason Elon has been saying tesla will reach level 5 for the last 4 years straight to no avail and it's not because of regulations or regulators. it's because they are no where close to it. I would love to see a switch flipped and it be close to public release but I'm not holding my breath. meanwhile they raised the price of fsd for he first time without any new functionality. $12k for auto lane change functionality and stop sign/red light functionality is a rip off. self park doesn't work unless it's perfectly flat and summon at this point is a gimmick. I paid $5k for fsd and at this point wish I had not. paying $12k+ at this point is a joke. my car is 3 years old and I have to think fsd will not work as fsd in it's lifetime. paying money for something that doesn't work is linear.

Most informative video I've seen in a while, please do more!

You guys should do this again with the chill, average settings as well

OMG! I want to see more of these types of videos this was freaking awesome! My experience with FSD beta is very similar to Matt it is nothing like what dirty Tesla sees.

Loved this video! Great job Chris! So interesting to see the driving dynamics handle quite differently on both your vehicles. Especially the construction zone and yours moving back to the lane, while his seated in the turning median. And the acceleration differences with his car vs yours. Keep up the great work 🎉👍🏻

@catbert7

2 жыл бұрын

There were no acceleration differences, from what was depicted in this video, if you compare. That was cognitive bias. That foible at the construction zone was one of only 3 minor differences in behavior, that were not due to different circumstances. This was more a lesson in psychology than anything ;p It showed how the cars can react to the same stimuli almost identically and yet the drivers still think it's behaving differently.

This was super interesting to watch! Hopefully you'll make another co-op again soon!

Yes! I have been asking for a pov of following a car on fsd. I always wondered what my car looked like to people behind me.

That was very interesting, definitely worth doing more of these :)

Great video would love to see more of these collabs

This was so good and interesting.. please do it again on next version. Cheers.

Great video, Chris. This might be my favorite. The two of you playing off each other keeps it real... very interesting. Only suggestion would be for the lead car to make some adjustments to stay in sight of the trailing car. Excellent stuff.

That was great. Do more. Especially interested in you both approaching a 4-way stop simultaneously to where one of you is on the other’s right. Curious if with will make it thru.

Love this idea. So great to see even the slight variants even between 2 cars on the same route and conditions.

I'm so glad you did this! I've been wanting to see something like this for a while!

thanks for this video! the editing must have taken a lot of work and it's appreciated!

Awesome! More of these please!

Awesome! I would love to see more of these FSD behavior comparisons, maybe with better prepared routes for better results next time. Watching FSD from outside of the car is very interesting.

What an amazing video and great idea. I hope you guys keep comparing future updates together.

Great work guys, Thank you!

Awesome demo! Thanks, Gentlemen!

Awesome thanks for video!

Very cool to see the difference’s

I noticed at 20:53 both cars turned left in spite of the arrows on the pavement showing right turn only. I liked it though to see how 2 different cars handle the same version. Today I got my first chance to drive a Tesla (no FSD; just basics). We have the first in state (Washington) showroom/service center that was built from ground up for Tesla (the others are converted locations).. They had ribbon cutting today and some models on display. Even had a couple roadsters! If you want to see a few pics from today I'm on Facebook.

Awesome video! Please do another one in 3-6 months again! Thank you!

I loved this video guys, great job to you both.

This was awesome!! Nice type of video. Perhaps an idea to do a beta vs beta race? Like, for instance, 'who gets the fastest from A to B'?

Great test. I would like to see more like this. I would like to suggest you use the hands free phone to communicate during the test drive.

Great experiment

I just did a 540 mile trip with 10.11.2. Probably the best performance FSD and AP I have had on this trip. The trip was about 160 miles FSD and 380 AP. The trip had 3 Super Charging sessions. Now for the numbers. The trip had 5 disengagements and 3 interventions. On disengagements 1 was accidental cause by rough road as I gave steering input. Another was how close the car was to a road barricade in construction area and I steered closer to other lane for my sanity. 2 of the interventions was to speed it up at intersection where it was being hesitant. The last intervention was on the highway to speed up a pass

Loved this Chris. More please:)

Great work guys

I think it would also be helpful to switch who is the leading car. Your car gets to react with someone in front using the same route as opposed to him paving the way. I wonder if his would have been slightly smoother as the trail car. I'm thinking primarily intersections and spots where you are directly behind him.

great stuff to see two fsd compared, more of this, compare settings, do a night drive without traffic, yea

Might want to inspect your camera lenses - mine had bad water stains from washing/rain I hadn’t noticed. Pretty easy to polish out.

This video was 10/10. Great idea to do this!

🙏🌱 Thanks, guys!!

This is very interesting test. More More please. Maybe with phones on so commentary as you go; but is good to get your gu DSS of what the other is thinking.

Cool video guys! I think it'd be cool if FSD wouldn't disengage when you override with the wheel. So you could nudge the car in some scenarios and the car could use that information and share it with the others somehow. Volkswagen Lane Assist let's you steer while it's engaged and let's you set an offset to the road center that way. This is particularly useful in Germany where you have to drive on the sides in an traffic jam to let ambulances pass by.

22:25 interesting that they both did a phantom brake (or at least slowdown) by that pale blue chevy.

Great idea for a video

This video was awesome! I think your best ever. Seeing the comparison is very cool. Do you know anyone with a vertical screen car (legacy S/X) with beta? It would be cool to compare behavior that way too in a video like this.

Waiting for 10.12. The release notes are epic.

Its fun to hear how people's memories of events change. Also, your max speeds were different.

You should make all your settings the same next time. He has his set to do like 4 over the speed limit. Great video.

Tesla must be having fun with all the different reports being sent.

More, more, more, with speaker phones on so we hear your hilarious interactions in real time!!!

@DirtyTesla

2 жыл бұрын

ok! I have another one I'm editing now (takes a long time to edit these). We did not have phones on but in the future I we can do that for sure! Thanks for the suggestion.

Great video Chris! I've been wanting to see this for a while and never got to try it with anyone.

I’m writing this before watching the video: it’s an excellent idea to check one against another to see if the behaviour differs. (After watching) Very interesting at several levels. We shouldn’t be too critical when beta has limited views of signs etc - at least the ones that a driver new to the area might miss. The most interesting bit was the way the first car didn’t want to move back after the construction cones and the second did it. Needs a bit more pre-drive planning perhaps as to how to proceed when second car has to stop at the lights or takes a different route. Is it possible to have phones connected and audible on video? Good job!

Someone passed me on double yellow lines, the car actually slowed down.

@DirtyTesla

2 жыл бұрын

This happened to me today!! But I think it was legal. Still the car behaved very impressively!

13:41 is by far the most important and potentially scary displays of this test. Both vehicles struggled to handle the exact same condition at the same place.

Awesome video! Maybe you guys should be on the phone with each other to confirm live what's happening.

Thanks Matt! This was fun and very informative. A few spots where the cars took the turns almost exactly the same. First time I've seen a no turn on red light like that.. I would say in an ideal world, merge lanes as late as possible is best to keep more lanes drive able, and I think the squirrel would have made it, but good to be extra sure, (however if it came to an unsafe disengagement, would rather just hit the squirrel bc God will make more squirrels, not more of you). But seriously, thanks to you both, great editing and thoughtful review, thanks for showing the world you guys. Can't wait for a FSD in more cars and eventually no steering wheels/pedals (and eventually safety to the point no more seat belts and then no more air bags to follow). ❤️ 🧡

Great vid. Should do another in a month:)

This was cool to watch. Different. Also I feel the same about lte on these cars.

Very Nice Bro! Get Good People/Tesla!

Very interesting video! Did you have the same settings and did you both recalibrate your cameras?

Requesting for more FSD (beta) v FSD (beta) videos. 👍

Dude, it’s Matt !!! Wow !!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

As a fellow FSD Beta tester, this video perfectly sums up what FSD Beta is like at the moment. Hopefully 10.12 is better.

Great video

You should put it on chill too, just to see any difference on both cars

Sounds like you car has similar issue I have, where it appears to never have Cell connection. Putting an address almost always takes minimum of 3 attempts anywhere in Nashville TN. Areas around Metro Area typically works 1st attempt.

This video convinced me to removed FSD from my Model Y order. Thank you for saving me $10,000.

@DirtyTesla

2 жыл бұрын

This one too kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIuMybWpla7gj84.html it's actually $12,000 so if you do have $10k locked in worth considering keeping it. But probably still not worth it.

The car’s navigation freezing and losing its network connection looks a lot like the problems my own car was having every time it preconditioned the batteries for supercharging. It’s now in the service shop waiting for a replacement computer.

You should add “ft. Matt from Good soil” to the title!

beta is very cool to see how differently the act but also the same

Rivian van casually in the background 1 minute in

We need a feature to share destination and track another tesla, which would be great for family trips using two tesla.

13:45 and 13:54 good to a vehicle happened to cross both your paths and see actually the same bad thing, the vehicle made the turn regardless the on coming traffic. Hope this is a fix in 10.12.

When I had FSD beta I had connectivity problems and my 3g/4g chip was broken you might want to schedule a service appointment and see if it fixes it

@DirtyTesla

2 жыл бұрын

Will I lose beta 😱

Cool video.

Passing on the right when someone has their left signal on is legal. Didn't used to be, but it is. Maybe it's different in Michigan

Btw it could be a nice software improvement to synchronize a route between two different Teslas 😉

Even if the situation seems to be the same it hardly ever is due to the other traffic participants, to which FSD Beta seems to pay a different attention than human drivers do. This also might be due to depth perception on which FSD still has to improve under certain conditions. For instance, see the cone placement at 24:10 on the FSD screen compared to what actually is on the road. Interestingly, the same spot with less oncoming cars didn't result in the same confusion.

Nice test. Having a lead car ahead of you makes a difference as far I can tell. IMHO FSD uses info from a lead car to help it evaluate the drivable space. So in some of those cases where Chris was near Matt, Chris's car appeared to drive more smoothly. I suggest that in the next test you do pick a loop route . Then take two trips around the loop, one with Chris's car in the lead and the other with Matt's. Also pick a portion of the loop where the trailing car pauses so the lead car can advance by itself followed by the trailing car. Hopefully another car doesn't show up to become the lead car to mess up the test. If the cars end up behaving differently then you can probably conclude some A/B testing is going on with the FSD releases.

I really want to do something like this with a beta tester near me. I wish we could run this type of thing together Chris, Model 3 Model Y two seasoned testers. If you find yourself in SoCal that would be an awesome opportunity. Maybe put your Y through the Friars Challenge haha.

So yesterday and today my car has started driving terrible. I have 10.11.2 and was perfect. I think everytime a new update comes out they turn off support for the old version.

It is interesting to see your different expectations coming into the same situations in some cases. These expectations would be more aligned if the locations were naive for both of you, I think. Also I think I can spot differences in your own driving style affecting your expectations. What I’m looking forward to is when you no longer have to make mental excuses for the AI.

Very interesting. Approaching the cones at 24.10, Chris's Tesla sees a phantom cone that causes it to struggle. Could that be dirt on the camera? And if so could dirt on either cars' cameras be causing some of the other variations?

As for 4 way stops, i see the back of the other guy’s stop sign. I assume the Beta sees the limit lines. Maybe the octagonal shape of the other stop sign.