The more I learn about EV’s the more convinced I am that I don’t want one.

@farmerfarmerer3847

7 ай бұрын

Following that logic, would you fly on a plane, helicopter or anything else ? You only see and hear the bad stuff on KZread.

@SanaagSomaliland

6 ай бұрын

Technology will improve. There are lots of research into more sustainable and safer batteries including Iron/Air battery - which basicaly means, the air the vehicle sucks in will help generate electricity when it hits the Iron.

@legogenius1667

6 ай бұрын

​@@farmerfarmerer3847That's not following his logic. The more I learn about planes, they more fascinating they become and the more obvious it gets that serious time and money has gone into making them safe. The more time you look into EVs, the more you realize that their build qualities are subpar, especially considering how dangerous batteries can be. I'm a student of automotive engineering currently, and I've learned to have a healthy respect for even the normal lead-acid batteries in ICE cars. They can be very dangerous when damaged. The more I understand about large batteries, the more terrifying it becomes to think of sitting on a huge bank of them inside an enclosed car. I will never consider buying an EV to be a reasonable option financially, practically, or safety-wise.

@burnerjack01

6 ай бұрын

What you thought you gained in fuel costs gets more than offset by insurance costs. If not now, soon.

@farmerfarmerer3847

6 ай бұрын

@@legogenius1667 Do you think you & your tutors might be a little biased considering there wont be any ICE car manufacturing come 2030? I am a motor mechanic by trade too. Have two Teslas and recently sold my ranger because I disliked driving it any more. The other major benefit of ev’s especially Tesla is the development of commercial battery energy storage systems. These are making electricity systems far more efficient by storing surplus power and reallocating it at peak times.

When the battery is rapidly cooled by immersion, the pressure in the battery drops quickly, potentially drawing water in through the vents.

@cbuchner1

6 ай бұрын

I see the man uses logic and reasoning.

@joewoodchuck3824

6 ай бұрын

That theory seems to be proving wrong at least in some cases. Enough to still cause concern.

@KrustyKlown

6 ай бұрын

those vents don't allow movement of water, only air through a membrane ... something must FAIL for water to engress into battery box, a failed seal, a busted vent, etc..

@extec101

5 ай бұрын

@@KrustyKlown heat distortion of the battery casing?

@AndrewTSq

5 ай бұрын

@@KrustyKlown those vents are rubber that is in the shape of a circle that is easy to open up by hand. Not sure how those could be waterproof iif we talk about waterproof as in submerge the vehicle in water. edit: But for splashing water, they fullfill their needs. edit2: should add that i saw it in a repair video, so it might be that those orange vents were broken.

As a peculiar dockmaster once said: Saltwater/the ocean hates everything.

@swedishpsychopath8795

7 ай бұрын

Not the whales.

@andyman8630

7 ай бұрын

@@swedishpsychopath8795 nor the fishies, crustaceans, molluscs, corals etc etc

@graemewindley1614

6 ай бұрын

You are right, the only thing salt water doesn't destroy, is more salt water.

@AlaskanInsights

6 ай бұрын

as a boat owner, I totally agree. constant battle against the salt.

@JZsBFF

5 ай бұрын

@@swedishpsychopath8795 Ever seen a smiling whale? Have you ever heard its singing? That's one unhappy bunch.

That must be wonderful for the water quality.

@jimmiller5600

6 ай бұрын

Just like Exxon Valdez, eh?

@burnerjack01

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, but "Greta", ya know?

@charlescurran1289

6 ай бұрын

@@jimmiller5600 Exxon paid billions in clean up and lawsuit costs. Who’s going to pay when your Tesla is burning up the dolphins?

@lachlanB323

6 ай бұрын

Just like oil rigs right?

@BrianBoniMakes

6 ай бұрын

Why would power boaters care about water quality?

I don't know about in the states, but over here in the UK we use rock salt on our roads in the winter to prevent icing. So I imagine that any EV's driving around in the winter are going to be constantly driving through through salt and water mixtures, and having them splashing up all over the place under the cars.

@motorclaimguru

7 ай бұрын

It will not effect them what so ever in any way different to a normal conventional vehicle.

@1973retrorabbit

7 ай бұрын

It depends on which part of the USA, they use salt on the roads in New York State, but not in Florida, for example. Given time and not being cleaned off properly, the damp salt mud mixture, will eventually eat it's way through an electric, much like any other. There's obviously a risk, that it could eat it's way into the battery, which could cause some serious issues.

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

Keeping a the battery box structure sealed is a big concern for an EV. I suspect EVs in northern climates will have an issue as the vehicles age. I've also seen the vehicles that spend a lot of time near the ocean will have corrosion issues, which often causes leakage. Steel fasteners in an aluminum cover, for example, can eventually cause a leak path.

@1autocadman

7 ай бұрын

clever people thes EV buyers arn't they? really thought it through didn't they? muppets

@christophercharles3169

7 ай бұрын

@@motorclaimguru How can you even say that? The housing around the battery could corrode or become damaged at which point the salt water could have an impact.

Can we agree this is damm terrifying?

@henryknox4511

6 ай бұрын

Not as terrifying as the amount of barely coherent idiots that are purchasing these.

@equarg

6 ай бұрын

Welp, with any new ideas, comes problems. ICE Cars catch on fire all the time. In fact many things humans make like to catch on fire. 🔥 So, with this apparent we need a solution….

@henryknox4511

6 ай бұрын

@@equarg Yes, less morons falling for EV purchases keeping the market alive.

@sgtbrown4273

5 ай бұрын

No they dont 😂 ​@equarg

@chevypreps6417

4 ай бұрын

@@equarg Sure I see burning cars everyday. Have you figured out yet when everyone has a EV where the electricity is going to come from.

In a sea of sensationalism, a very professional presentation. Thanks

Salt water is incredibly destructive for any car - Granted, a corroded ICE car doesnt light up like a exposed lithium battery but backing your car into saltwater is just plain stupid regardless of type...

@AndrewTSq

5 ай бұрын

not only corrosion, salt water is very conductive meaning it will short the batterycells (and everything else electric)..

@tqlla

4 ай бұрын

They are at a boat ramp. Its meant for cars to back their trailered boats and jetski's into the water.

I saw something about a major saltwater flood somewhere recently that resulted in a lot of EV fires (at least 11) while researching the effects of water submersion on an EV. Apparently, the battery failure and followup fire can occur up to a week after salt-water damage?

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

We've seen this a few times. Hurricane Sandy saw 16 EV fires. There were 21 EV fires related to flood waters with Hurricane Ian. I believe the recent Hurricane Idalia had 4 EV fires. All related to salt water flooding from storm surge.

@snookmeister55

7 ай бұрын

Salt water destroys all vehicles, just doesn't set them all on fire.

@withpikachu2402

7 ай бұрын

Enough to leave a window open during rain. My boss had that issue. They sent back to factory, still could not find what was issue. It was gasoline car, but very modern. Summer rain was too much.

@Eduardo_Espinoza

6 ай бұрын

A little ironic, the stainless steel cyber truck won't rust but may burn underwater @snookmeister55

@snookmeister55

6 ай бұрын

@@Eduardo_Espinoza Ironic is after a billion dollar storm some people think a few vehicle fires is a big deal. If the vehicle was important enough it would have been moved to higher ground.

I don’t think the fire brigade “decided to let it burn out” it was under water and still on fire! What the hell do you expect them to do? Spray water on with a fire hose🤦🏻‍♂️

This is the best video, proof, and examples of multiple EV fires and thermal run-a-way I have seen. I read almost every day about EV's catching fire, causing extensive damage to rows and rows of parked cars in parking garages, on lots, and homes burned to the ground by EV's parked in the garage and catching fire. In my opinion, a lot more research and safety factors need to be done before Ev's are safe.

@dougfisher1813

6 ай бұрын

Did you see the EV that burned so hot that it melted through the concrete floor of a parking garage, and fell through to the floor below? That fire ironically was started by the lithium ion battery of another vehicle in the same parking structure, a diesel electric hybrid range Rover .

@CodyDavis91

6 ай бұрын

@@dougfisher1813 There are more ICE vehicle fires than EV fires. The stupidity in the comments section is astounding.

@dougfisher1813

6 ай бұрын

@@CodyDavis91 That would stand to reason and the law of averages would agree, because there are vastly more ICE vehicles than EVs, as EVs are roughly 4% of vehicles on the road.

@larrybruce4856

6 ай бұрын

@@CodyDavis91 It only takes one EV in the garage to destroy your home. Personally, I don't want to take that chance with an Ev due to the most recent issues with EV fires. I've owned gas vehicles for over 55 years and never had a problem with a fire. I'll stick with a gas powered vehicle for now.

@rontheoracle

6 ай бұрын

@@dougfisher1813 I am guessing the recent (October) Luton Airport incident. That one burning Rover that unfortunately burned away more than a thousand cars that are parked close to it. Very distressing news, indeed.

Makes me wonder how these cars will do in Canadian winter. Here in Canada we use a salt brine on the road to keep them clear of ice and snow. It's very corrosive.

@EVUK-bd2vn

6 ай бұрын

Um - for the Nth time: Norway has a freezing cold climate for most of the year like Canada. Unless you've been sleeping on Planet Zog for a decade or three you'll know that the majority of new cars sold in Norway have been pure EVs for the past 7-8 years. PS. Norwegians always rank high in the top 10 in studies of the world's "most educated/most intelligent" people/countries. How do Canadians(and Americans..) compare? Start with your (mis-)leaders(ie. Presidents, Prime Ministers) perhaps - then work your way up... Paul G

@tommooe4524

6 ай бұрын

I drove a Very nice and expensive Tesla and found that I actually prefer to drive my old farm pickup truck.

@Mascotal

6 ай бұрын

@@tommooe4524 I have never drove a Tesla, but I suppose I know what your saying. I have a very nice cell phone, but I prefer the satisfying feeling of pulling on a heavy rotary phone when you dial it.

@MrBoratWOW

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@EVUK-bd2vndear Paul, his statement was directed at the dangers of corrosion and not so much about the cold temperatures. Obviously you’re not as intelligent as you seem to think.

@club6525

4 ай бұрын

The issue is mainly in submersion. The vents generally prevent ingress of salt water unless the vehicle becomes fully submerged. Obviously, ICE vehicles are 100x more likely to catch fire so it isn't a major concern.

awe, they are soooo environmentally friendly it just warms my heart, smh

@T1Oracle

4 ай бұрын

When cars started becoming popular, they were killing pedestrians every day. People didn't understand how to safely cross a busy street. There were no crosswalks, no traffic signals, no traffic signs, no safety regulations, no seatbelts, speed limits, or airbags. People just did what they wanted and a ton of people died. Do you know how cars survived it? People decided that cars were worth saving, and they made the effort to fix the problems. When people actually care, anything is possible.

yikes James Bond (007) most certainly DID NOT sign up for the EV era, he'll stick to Lotus for any future Sub conversions.

@KaosNova2

7 ай бұрын

At least James Bond could self-destruct the car like in Living Daylights.

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

It's all about the quality of sealing up the box.

Another good reason not to buy a used EV. You don't know if the previous owned subjected it to subversion at a boat launch or a deep puddle, and the corrosion can occur over time since then.

@user-or4hs7xq9u

7 ай бұрын

That's what I thought, "it's the next owner's problem" is exactly the mindset. I heard all the good advice about not charging an EV above 80/85% and not going 30% to lengthen battery life....... if someone is handing back the EV after two or three years to lease company (as is typical in UK) why would they bother being kind to the battery, its the Gov Mule all over again

@EllieMaes-Grandad

7 ай бұрын

* going 30% to lengthen battery life* Is that inferring another range limitation? @@user-or4hs7xq9u

@scottw5315

7 ай бұрын

My city, Charleston SC floods easily in high tide conditions or in tropical storms which we have about every year. Everyone just cruises through the water without thinking really.

@TwilightVaramek

6 ай бұрын

just dont buy an EV period they have way more issues theuy have reliability issues range issues and cause a shit ton more polution then a gas or disel all that lithium hgas to be mined resulting in ground water water way and other pollution and when they catch on fire like they like to do those chemicels are far worse then an exhaust pipes chemicles

@simon6071

6 ай бұрын

I think it's a good reason not to buy EV instead of just a used EV. The sea water doesn't care if your EV is new or used.

burning underwater? that is one thing ICE cars can't do. I guess it is game over for the Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) cars, unless somehow they manage to make their cars also be able to burn underwater. Hyper-combustion-underwater-X is groundbreaking technology, no one but a genius could have developed such tech. People should get on X and excreet about this water boiling tech.

@scottw5315

7 ай бұрын

As far as I know ICE vehicles haven't been able to sink a ship yet. They are getting left behind by the EV Revolucion'...

@ipenguin3918

7 ай бұрын

Knowing that Elon Musk put a Tesla in Space it was a brilliant move to divert attention from problems on Earth. TSLA Stock is a Keeper!

@akshonclip

7 ай бұрын

Old VW bugs engine cases were made from magnesium and I can confirm they burn under water. 😂

@Eduardo_Espinoza

6 ай бұрын

We need external combination engines

@alarjak

6 ай бұрын

EV or ICE, when it goes under water it is totaled, just don't do it.

Well thank God we have government services protecting consumers from dangerous products HAHAHAHAHA.

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

I think these scenarios go beyond typical use case.

@pertwee9376

7 ай бұрын

Yep, it's all 'safe and effective'. Even when it's been imagined, developed, and brought to market in less than a year and jabbed straight into the arms of the most complex organisms that we know about....US.

@scottw5315

7 ай бұрын

They started giving injections of the experimental gene therapy when it was still listed as experimental by the FDA.@@pertwee9376

@scottw5315

7 ай бұрын

Remember the Ford Pinto fires. Ford eventually dropped the line but I'd wager there have been far more EV fires than the little Pinto ever had.

@logitech4873

5 ай бұрын

​@@pertwee9376Are you still salty about the vaccines that literally worked just fine? Antivaxxers are such inexplicable weirdos.

The list of EV woes seems endless. In the U.S. hurricanes often result in storm surges that send salt water far inland. For some reason some people fail to get their cars to higher ground. Fires in the EVs and hybrids are a likely result, fires that could set nearby cars and buildings on fire.

@artv4nd3l4y

4 ай бұрын

Lol people fail to get their cars to higher grounds? That is a problem for the EV manufacturers and insurance companies, I would give the last **** about some piece of trash electric car when there is a hurricane.

@rozonoemi9374

4 ай бұрын

BEV are the safest car on the road wathever you are saying. Data don't lie.

@tomr6955

4 ай бұрын

They're great for the environment!

@bazzer621

4 ай бұрын

Especially when they are being built and when they are burning 😂

@rozonoemi9374

4 ай бұрын

Your ICE car will burn 10 times more than BEV.@@bazzer621

This is why our insurance rate went up

I’m just sitting here laughing as I watch the EV industry crumble 😂

@V0YAG3R

4 ай бұрын

Poor Elon and his paid and unpaid shills🎻

@ForestNinjaZero

4 ай бұрын

Nothing whatsoever is happening to the EV industry. Manufacturers and utility developers are moving forward as planned.

@humanresources3545

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. And when an ICE car burns you'll have to give them up too.

I would imagine as EVs become more mainstream, storm surge flooding is going to generate a lot more fires when the city is probably already in a state of emergency.

Tesla customer: "I'm gonna buy a Tesla to help save the dolphins" Dolphins "Please don't"

Imagine owning a vehicle that you have absolutely no physical control over

I spent four ski seasons in Lake Tahoe, 2017-2020. The parking garage at Heavenly Mountain had several EV chargers. In those four years, I think I saw only one or two cars being charged. Not many people want to risk the mountain in winter with an EV. There were some monster ski seasons of late with I80 being closed frequently. Getting stuck in a blizzard won't be any fun at all in an EV.

@richardjohnson8009

6 ай бұрын

Well, if you get caught in the snow, youve got one hell of a handwarmer with you

@legogenius1667

6 ай бұрын

​@@richardjohnson8009Or a bonfire lol

@raynic1173

6 ай бұрын

Lol, they should come with marshmallows and hot cocoa😅

@theanthony33

6 ай бұрын

The heat pump in an EV with 50% soc will last longer than an ice idling to have heat in the cabin 🤷

@summergain

6 ай бұрын

Not fun in an ICE vehicle either.

The EVs computer became sentient and "Ooohh water, the sea, beautiful nature, beautiful large body of water. I want to go swimming too!"

Do only thing that we have been missing over the last few years of the EV experience is the government official saying that Extremely Volatile cars are completely 'safe and effective' 😂😂😂

@larrybruce4856

7 ай бұрын

Biden and his administration would never say "Extremely Volatile cars are completely safe and effective" because I believe Biden is getting kickback from China to mandate and push solar panels, wind generators, and these EV TIMEBOMBS onto the public just like he's been getting kickbacks from Mexican Cartel to allow open borders and drugs to flood America.

@johnjakson444

7 ай бұрын

Extremely Volatile, thats just great, must remember that one. Also in China, BYD means Build Your Dreams or as I say, Burn Yourself to Death which has happened.

The climate alarmists are always talking about boiling oceans nowadays, didn't know it would be because of the EV'S being parked in them.

@scottw5315

7 ай бұрын

Nobel Laureate Al Gore just preached this year that the oceans are boiling. Meanwhile, California had the coldest, wettest winter in about 50 years...yeah, boiling alright.

@logitech4873

5 ай бұрын

​@@scottw5315Global warming is about GLOBAL warming. Aka the world average. Saying "but California was cold this winter" is to entirely miss the point. Also, Al Gore isn't a climate researcher.

@scottw5315

5 ай бұрын

Don't try to lecture me #sshole. All the climate soothsayers have is forty years of failed predictions and millions of miles flown in there private jets to show for their lies. @@logitech4873

This is interesting. With Truck manufactures going with large batteries as well on EV or Hybrid versions of their trucks.. And it's very common to see a truck pulling a boat. I wonder how water tight those batteries on those trucks are.

@SorenCicchini

2 ай бұрын

They need vents to relieve gas pressure. The vents could be plumbed up to a higher point, e.g. the roof line, to prevent water ingress while wading (the cooling effect of immersion draws air into the battery chamber) but I haven't heard of any EVs advertising such a feature.

@user-hk5wx5op9u

2 ай бұрын

@@SorenCicchini Snorkel kit for EV? Sounds interesting.

@SorenCicchini

2 ай бұрын

@@user-hk5wx5op9u I haven't actually heard of any, but if the inlet (or combined inlet/outlet) vent was made with a threaded fitting or nipple on the outside, I see no reason in couldn't be done. It would be a bit like a more serious version of the old aftermarket muscle car battery relocation boxes (used to move the battery, a heavy lump of lead and acid, out of the front of the engine bay to the rear of the car, over the rear wheels for better traction when drag racing) with a tube to vent the hydrogen gas released as the battery charged out of the boot/trunk and/or cabin.

You can seal the battery packs all you want. It's the current draw from shorting out everything attached to it. A thermal overload cut off at the pack with manual reset. Problem being no one would be allowed to reset it without written consent from the insurance company. Reality can be very inconvenient.

@larrybruce4856

6 ай бұрын

I don't believe you can "seal the batter packs" as they need a certain amount of ventilation for internal gasses to escape. The batter packs also need space to expand and contract under hot summer and cold winter weather conditions. Moisture, specifically saltwater creates a chemical reaction causing explosions and fires in EVs.

@theodavies8754

6 ай бұрын

@@larrybruce4856 If you can smell manky water just getting in a Tesla it doesn't bode well for any claims. They are made to limp to 8 years at best. I'll be keeping chickens in a 2023 model X before the new ice ban ever happens.

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

6 ай бұрын

​@@theodavies8754Limp to 8 years huh? I guess that's why there's plenty of older Teslas on the road right?

@theodavies8754

6 ай бұрын

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 plenty of what year is that?

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

6 ай бұрын

@@theodavies8754 plenty of 2012 Model S still on the road.

Could you do a video on the mentality of the people who buy these dangerous vehicles and how they preach how safe they are.

@larrybruce4856

7 ай бұрын

It's obvious to me, the mentality of people that preach how safe these EV's are (1) haven't had the opportunity to have one explode or catch fire while in their garage and burn their home to the ground or parked in a parking garage (2) haven't the intelligence to realize they are NOT environmentally friendly when researching how lithium batteries are made, the chemicals used, how the chemicals are gathered in 3rd world countries, how the vehicles are shipped on diesel powered ships, and the expensive infrastructure needed to charge these vehicles. They are fooling themselves thinking they are fixing Climate Change' but in reality they are ruining the climate on the other side of the world and it's just a matter of time before it backfires world-wide.

@scottw5315

7 ай бұрын

Virtue signalers aren't known for their intelligence or integrity. The lie of the century is the CO2 is a pollutant when its actually plant food as any sixth grade science student knows.@@larrybruce4856

@OtisFlint

7 ай бұрын

Yes, please do a video on people who value data, statistics, and evidence instead of propaganda from isolated and anecdotal incidents.

@scottw5315

7 ай бұрын

Propaganda? Interesting word choice considering that 99.9% of legacy media all say the same things.@@OtisFlint

@moogoatcluck7544

7 ай бұрын

Eco-mugs. They lapped up the climate emergency propaganda and want to show all the plebs how virtuous they are. A combination of failure to do basic research and smugness has doomed many to buy vehicles that will be worthless when they come to sell them and are increasingly difficult to insure. Add to this the actually real danger from the chemicals in the batteries and not only do you have a crap idea but one that causes more damage to the environment than a traditional car. This is what happens when you trust a child who didn't complete school to educate you about the world without questioning who's paying her or why the media are platforming someone with no credentials.

Thank you for your education on these electronic fires

This is one of the many reasons I extended my tongue on my trailer for my waverunner, the tires don’t even kiss the water in my model 3

@ledzeppelin1212

4 ай бұрын

Damn, good call! I told my cousin he should pull his boat with his M3LR, but he usually uses his Jeep instead. Perhaps for good reason!

I'm amazed at how many people will spend $50-100K to be EV guinea pigs. The rest of us who didn't are truly grateful for your efforts to illustrate exactly what we don't need or want.

@extremedrivr

5 ай бұрын

They are like she🐑 going to the slaughterhouse.

@logitech4873

5 ай бұрын

EVs are completely safe though.

@extremedrivr

5 ай бұрын

@@logitech4873 False!!

@V0YAG3R

4 ай бұрын

@@logitech4873 And communism and islam are religions of peace though.

@logitech4873

4 ай бұрын

@@V0YAG3R Communism isn't a religion. You may want to look that up.

This is happening more and more. Now they are becoming uninsurable

@Leonardo555ZZZ

7 ай бұрын

Let's hope so.

@vincecarlo

7 ай бұрын

How Sweet

@rondye9398

7 ай бұрын

Your insurance is going up because these are on the road! (shakes head) EV planet saver, carbon saver towing huge fuel guzzling ski boat! Elect that man to Congress!

@teardowndan5364

7 ай бұрын

EV greenwashers keep harping about how EVs are 100X less likely to spontaneously combust than ICEVs, though they fail to acknowledge that the average EV today is only 2-3 years old while the average ICEV is 12 years old. Yeah, I suspect EV fires from corrosion and wear will be far more common 10 years from now, just like it is with ICEVs. With ICEVs, fires start most commonly from frayed wiring or oil drips on a catalytic converter or DPF. With EVs, you will still have fires from frayed wires and instead of oil leaks on cat/DPF, it'll be moisture infiltration into the battery pack and other battery pack faults.

@larrybruce4856

7 ай бұрын

If I had an EV, I would park it far, far away from my home, garage, any structure, or any other vehicle. These appear to be TIMEBOMBS just waiting to go off. Insurance must be expensive.

“A salt and battery” is criminal…

Insurance companies are refusing to insure EV cars in UK. Premiums are more than TRIPLE of last year. The Emporer has no Clothes, the jig is up!

I think I've only seen a car in the water once in my country.. And we're a tropical island. Some next level brain power out there it seems

@d.s7741

6 ай бұрын

In my country no one drives electric cars. I mean county, i'm only a mayor

@AndrewTSq

5 ай бұрын

I see them in water when either there is a lot of rain, and going in a viaduct, or when you are leaving your boat into the water, part of the rear of the car is usually inside the water.

So when a Tesla Neighbourhoog floods it also burns down the same time

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

It's the story of Hurricane Ian.

I’m an electrical engineering student, let me explain why it’s burning underwater and it’s simply due to electrolysis. Batteries and saltwater tick the box, so It’s generating hydrogen and oxygen. Oxygen so it can burn underwater (obviously an oxidiser), and hydrogen which is increasing the flammability.

In most glove boxes (probably not a Tesla now) there is an owners manual - refer to it if you are stuck in your car.

According to Tesla, the water is now more pure than it was before the fire.

Great video . Could you give us more detais about the vents of the battery ? or maybe make an in depth video about the dangers of these vents ? i see a lot of jet flames from those vents in some ev fires . Thanks

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

Sure thing! Every vehicle handles this a little differently. Some are fairly robust, some are not. Some use the main seal between the tray/cover as the thermal runaway vent.

@AndrewTSq

5 ай бұрын

I saw a repairvideo of a Tesla battery, and it had like a rubber vent the mechanic could open up by hand and look into the battery more or less. It looked like it was facing the rear of the car. Maybe it was broken no idea, but it was like a orange vent.

@sergiuu280

5 ай бұрын

@@AndrewTSq can you post the link to the video ?

@AndrewTSq

5 ай бұрын

@@sergiuu280 Its been a while since I saw it so no idea which one it was. But if you google Inspect For Missing High Voltage (HV) Battery Breather Valves then you get a picture on how it looked like in the video, edit( (if you find the right one, ints a orange plastic part with a red rubber circle) and the red circle was made out of rubber and could be easily put open. I will try to find the video and come back.

@AndrewTSq

5 ай бұрын

@@sergiuu280 Ah I google image, and if you search for " 3 Клапан вентиляции основной батареи С2 С3 Tesla model 3 model Y 1098630-00-G " you will see different anges of the sparepart, and see that the red circle is open on the backjside.. with just a rubber membrane keeping water outside.

The best part was the advertisement for EV Mustang after this video.

I guess the fish got a free jacuzzi

Would this also be possible on areas of the country that use a lot of salt on the roads?

@johnnyappleseed6960

7 ай бұрын

One thing is for certain..... Corrosion is never good for the battery housing in the long run.. Tesla is currently attempting to mitigate the problem with Stainless Steel on their Cyber Truck....But is running into countless issues along the way...Which is currently turning into a cost nightmare for them, and potential cost nightmare for the end consumer... In the meantime, the whole thing is turning into a running joke.

@motorclaimguru

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely not.

@johnnyappleseed6960

7 ай бұрын

@@motorclaimguru lol..."Absolutely not" isn't a good answer for anything that has an inherent potential.

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

Keeping a the battery box structure sealed is a big concern for an EV. I suspect EVs in northern climates will have an issue as the vehicles age. I've also seen the vehicles that spend a lot of time near the ocean will have corrosion issues, which often causes leakage. Steel fasteners in an aluminum cover, for example, can eventually cause a leak path.

@larrybruce4856

7 ай бұрын

My guess would be yes. Salt causes corrosion and corrosion seems to be one of many issues with lithium batteries used in EV's. I'm surprized home.auto insurance companies would insure EV's especially with many homes being burned to the ground while EV's were parked in the garage.

When they were first talking about the self-driving capabilities of the Teslas I was wondering with all the cameras and AI if it would be able to maneuver a boat trailer down a ramp. I thought it could come in handy with all the difficulties drivers have at boat ramps. Perhaps that wouldn't be the best idea. They could run into some problems with visual depth perception or other methods when trying to "read" the water with all the changing conditions in regard to water reflections and wave action.

@mousetreat

6 ай бұрын

Do you have issues "reading the water"? Probably not, so why would FSD?

@Paul-ou1rx

6 ай бұрын

@@mousetreat Some drives do. And traffic cones have confused Teslas. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hI6Ex6SYmZOberQ.htmlsi=cDjurX1SGMz1Y5qR

I am from germany. Several month ago, we had a TESLA burning down. Firefighters came, try their best, but the TESLA won't stop burning. Ignites again and again. Then they ordered a container, fill it up with hydrant water (drink water) and hooked the car up by crane to dump it in there. Then at the Junkyard, 45-60 minutes later, they released the water, and the TESLA starts burning again. So they filled it up again. I don't hate E-vehicles. I own an electric Motorcycle, and this thing doesn't have any problems. But i have to say, it is loading slow with the regular house plugs. So there isn't really a heat problem in side the batteries. And i own it for 2 years now.

Fun fact: Pure water doesn't actually conduct electricity; it's the stuff IN the water that does that. Salt water is actually a much better conductor of electricity than fresh because of this, not to mention extremely corrosive.

So is there a way to cut it open? Or some kind of really cold extinguishing agent for the fact that these fires get really hot? Oh and thanks for explaining exploding electronic devices too in the other video

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

I would not recommend trying to cut open the battery box in an electric vehicle.

@pbxn-3rdx-85percent

7 ай бұрын

Now that seems a potential market for the *10,000 watts Big Laser EV Slicer* !!! Cuts your burning EVs in less than a minute to get that burning battery. Cuts through metal, plastic, glass, screaming trapped EV passendgers and even unconscious EV passengers. A must for every EV owner who are safety conscious. Order now and you get a 5% discount. (Lithium batteries sold separately). 😄🤣

@tonylittle3508

7 ай бұрын

It is a chemical reaction causing thermal runaway, not a fire in the conventional sense. Can only let it burn out, dont go anywhere near it to try to put it out, absolutely toxic.

@colonelfustercluck486

5 ай бұрын

no..... once thermal runaway has started, it is only exhausted by a lack of fuel.... i.e. no more lithium battery left. Yes you can cool it in a general way by immersion in water.... but the fire (thermal runaway) continues underwater as water supplies the reaction going on with the lithium.....but keeps it a little bit cooler than if it were exposed to the air. And less smokey. So no real advantage at the end of the story.

All those nasty chemicals going straight into the water must be really good for the environment! 😖 Certainly better than CO2 out of an exhaust pipe. Oh, hang on....

Two deceased persons - - How did you die? - I burnt underwater. - How come?! - Tesla...

I grew up being told don't use that 1700 watt hairdryer near the tub. This is pretty scary to me.

Cars like Tesla have most advanced thermal management of the battery. But do they have warning system for people in the car or warning for the app? Something like "Alert! Battery Thermal Runaway. Leave the car immediately!" They do have temperature sensors, so computer could see it and send a warning.

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

You are correct, the BMS does monitor battery cell/module temperature. Most vehicles will alert the occupant and shut down the vehicle if they detect a problem with the battery. As for alerting owners via the app? I've heard stories of having "alerts" on phones when thermal runaway occurs, however I'm not certain on what those alerts look like. The newer GB standard (China) requires a notification/alert 5 minutes before any smoke/fire is visible.

@andyspark5192

7 ай бұрын

@@StacheDTraining Good to know. Thanks.

@user-or4hs7xq9u

7 ай бұрын

When you have to swim to shore from your EV, what message do you need, fish swimming past your driver side window and an ocupuss messing with the windscreen wipers? Maybe American drivers need the "Swim now, swim now, battery is a firework" message?

@EllieMaes-Grandad

7 ай бұрын

Sensible drivers don't look at phones when driving. Mine is turned off when driving. @@StacheDTraining

@alkaholic4848

4 ай бұрын

Does it notify everyone else in the building it is parked underneath?

I don't think these fires ignited just because of saltwater. Any kind of water will cause a short in the batteries. And if there's enough water, like when the vehicles becomes submerged, that will cause them to get so hot that they ignite. The solution would be to make the battery housing totally watertight and have an automatic cut-off to disconnect the battery from the rest of the car. Looks like there's still a lot of work to do to make EVs safe for the public.

@nathangoshawk

7 ай бұрын

Although salt water is undoubtedly more damaging, any water is problematic regarding electrical systems. I do wonder what the effect was on all those EV's and hybrids that got 'waterlogged' in the Chinese floods which were, we are told, caused by excess river water. I guess we'll never know.

@mikethespike7579

7 ай бұрын

@@nathangoshawk Water itself doesn't conduct electricity. It's the ions in the water. These can be salt or other impurities. As a rule, the dirtier the water or the more salt in it the better it conducts electricity.

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

There have been many cases of EVs flooded by freshwater with no issue. However, I did just learn of an event, similar to the ones mentioned here, that involved freshwater.

@user-or4hs7xq9u

7 ай бұрын

Science class? Remember lithium dropped in water?

@mikethespike7579

7 ай бұрын

@@user-or4hs7xq9u True! But... the battery cells are watertight. My flash light has one and I can drop it into water without it igniting. But I guess a damaged cell would ignite in water.

Saving this video. This is amazing video. We ban EV from tunnel construction due to EVs not meeting fire regs

Wow, electric cars and water don't mix.... it's like, who would have guessed that?

The first time I saw a Tesla batter-pack I realized that fourteen thousand interconnected electrical devices when put to task cannot but result in a catastrophic thermal failure.

EV safety is an oxymoron

@AndrewFosterSheff69

6 ай бұрын

They're heavier too, you wouldn't want to be rear ended by one, especially as a motorcyclist! ☠

@logitech4873

5 ай бұрын

Why is it an oxymoron?

The lady in one of the cars that rolled into the lake said the car kept giving her a warning to get out of the car due to temps and she couldn't get out for a few minutes

Can melted water on the salt road in winter also produce this?🤔

Imagine what would happen if thermal runaway happened with just 1 car in a parking lot full of EVs.

@anguswilliam2141

6 ай бұрын

Or a carpark full of EV's gets flooded.

@softwarephil1709

5 ай бұрын

Or in your garage while your family is sleeping.

EVS ARE THE WORST IDEA EVER

@Ktmfan450

7 ай бұрын

The problem isn't the EV but the battery technology

@PAHighlander24

7 ай бұрын

But that technology is in the EV. You're splitting hairs. The risk is inherent in the EV because of it. Until new safer batteries come on the market the risk is present, and insurance premiums will reflect that fact.

@EllieMaes-Grandad

7 ай бұрын

Dairies used them for local deliveries, years ago, and railway companies had small artics for local deliveries. Not the same batteries as today I presume . . .

@lancethrust9488

7 ай бұрын

@@Ktmfan450 GOLF CARTS ONLY AND MILK FLOATS ONLY

@EllieMaes-Grandad

7 ай бұрын

Thank you. So much for 'technological progress'. @@gppsoftware

That girl who told the person to stop shooting the video is a treasure. A true rarity amongst modern humans. Keep her safe.

@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225

4 ай бұрын

Why? The footage of how it burns is valuable . When acvidents occur wheter is a car, plane or boat it very useful to have footage since it gives you a lot of info about how the accident happened. Why it did continue, who is at fault, etc

@jamnorge

4 ай бұрын

@@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225 simple mutual respect amongst fellow human beings. Now if she shot it, then asked for permission to post, I have no issue with that. It's not that serious, it's just about mutual respect.

What do firefighters use to put those battery fires out? Are they developing a new type of foam that works effectively against this type of fire?

Thank you very much for this video! Great! Many greetings from Germany, Tanja Hellmann (firefighter)

@StacheDTraining

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Highly informative video!

Doors wont open + Drowing and burning inside the car + and you paid $50K extra for that over a regular car. !! 😂😂

They took that " Teslas can float " to heart and tried it .

great knowledge.

Handy improvised depth charge.

There are whole channels on KZread dedicated to boat launch fails. Sinking cars and trucks is all ways a highlight event in the video. Scary.😱

People were scared from vape batteries blowing up and then they put 5200 in one car and people thought that was fine

LOVE the TITLE!

A lot of people don't realize that saltwater is more conductive than fresh water and will produce a more significant source of energy transmission across larger gaps between electrical contacts that are saturated or submerged. Fire departments are discovering that saltwater is more effective at extinguishing an EV fire more quickly only because it causes the inevitable runaway to happen quicker and more thoroughly so as to be extinguished sooner. Just goes to show that the brighter the fire the shorter the burn.

Wow that didn't get censored... Google is slipping!

Lovely ev videos... Great content

What I would want to know from the flight recorder was was the car in park and was the parking brake (or whatever they use) engaged?

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

I don't know about the Teslas, but the Mitsubishi owner had it in "hold" mode, which is not meant for that type of application.

Death traps its like living next to a fire breathing dragon lol

Salt water is more conductive than fresh water. That could be a contributing factor as well

I allow the commercials to run while I read the comments. I hope this helps!

theres a lot of moisture in the air itself. If you can imagine a window gets "wet" when it gets cold enough to condense moisture in the air, with the battery being open to the outside air and not being sealed and shielded by inert gas this will ultimately cause the same damage

@CodyDavis91

6 ай бұрын

Tesla packs are sealed. It takes a great deal of pressure to open the vents. Sort of like a pressure relief valve. If you don't submerge your battery in the ocean, you're fine.

@richardjohnson8009

6 ай бұрын

saw a video of one trying to put jetskis in teh water, it didnt work@@CodyDavis91

@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225

4 ай бұрын

​@@CodyDavis91small rock on roads have causes tesla's batteries to lose their sealings and burn. Since the battery cannot be replace, if you hit your tesla with some rock, it is possible you lost the entire car. It can be fix but tesla wont do it so, if you fix it yourself. You are on your own

Excellent video and being Australian I particularly love the very last sentence! Very Australian.

Even though it's a pretty old example, when discussing corporate incompetence, my go-to argument is that back in the 70s, Ford and Chevy had 10 years to copy a Toyota or Datsun and the end result was Pinto and Vega.

I can’t even imagine the contamination of the lake underwent with burning lithium ion batteries

Good for the woman who stopped her husband from recording. That's what it is to be an empathetic decent human being. Thank you.

The firefighters were like "what do you want me to do?!"

I remember the salesman saying "If you don't mind waiting 4 months you can get an EV Outlander." I told him "I never bought a 3D TV, why would I buy an EV?" He didn't get it.

On fire underwater 😮

Won’t be finding many flood damaged EVs on the secondhand market I guess

@EllieMaes-Grandad

7 ай бұрын

Probably not many EVs on the s/h market anyway? Such trading now would be with fairly new vehicles, but give it another ten years . . .

I understsnd that firemen are given special training in electric vehicle crash sites, especially when confronting a fire. The best that they can do is prevent anyone from approaching the fire and preventing the fire from spreading to other vehicles or objects. Adding water to an ev fire is not recommended. They are trained to let the fire burn out and keep their distance. It was mentioned somewhere that a major national car rental company is reconsidering the use of electric vehicles due to the added cost of insurance due to the fire risk.

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

Let it burn: kzread.info/dash/bejne/n4KN2dKNory_crA.html Hertz made a push to have a large offering of EVs. They recently stated, and they are going to scale back due to higher costs and higher depreciation.

@jimeagle5483

7 ай бұрын

Firemen load coal into a firebox on a steam train. FireFIGHTERS put out fires.

@alkaholic4848

4 ай бұрын

Hertz (rental company) have already started selling all their Teslas.

That X was already on fire before it rolled into the water. The wife of the owner was actually locked inside briefly.

I just posted this video on TFL channel. They are doing towing test with EV’s. Sadly such channels never speak about safety issues involving electric.

that thumbnail, put the Bond theme in my brain, lol

Not ready for prime time!

So, saltwater won't necessarily discharge the battery. Hmmmmmm. In other words, even the latest tactic (low-temp, saltwater immersion) is no assurance that the thermal runaway can mitigated,, extinguished.

In radiocontrol we used to dispose of dangerous lithium batteries dropping them on a bucket with salt water before sending them to recicle. Just to discharge them if using them for the last time was risky. And also to deeply discharge them. The more salty, higher the discharge current for a given poles displacement. The high voltaje connectors of EV batteries have "O-Rings" that get bad too easy, and im pretty sure almost all of them are not waterproof submerged. With the usual separation between poles you Will have a shortcircuit with seawater. Also, the venting port mentioned on the video dont need to "fail". You have a hot pack from towing the boat, and a sudden inmersión on cold water wich contracts the Air inside causing a suction. If the vent port or any Broken sealing is underwater....

@StacheDTraining

7 ай бұрын

I'd recommend using sodium bicarbonate: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pKuqpdiCeNezpaw.html

@og_myxiplx

6 ай бұрын

Except that method of battery disposal doesn't actually work reliably. It corrodes the connections. You would need to slice the battery open for salt water to work, but that's definitely not recommended. Discharging the pack to zero with a discharger and then twisting the cables together is a far more reliable method.

Upstate ny , salts roads in the winter like a Utah flat drag ! Just a matter of time you see the thru way closed do to fire

Sounds GREAT for the ENVIRONMENT!

The closing comment was hilarious - "That'll teach them for owning a jet-ski - w**kers!" 🤣🤣

WHERE IS THE CLEANUP CREW FOR ALL THE CHEMICALS IN THE WATER