Beautiful channel good sir. I think I'm going to learn a lot from you. God bless.

Simply contradictory indeed

The reason it seems contradictory is because it is. The Son being of the substance of God is not in the original scriptures. It was mistranslated before the council of Nicea determined that mistranslated interpretation was correct. Unfortunatey those of you following this mistranslated interpretation are fulfilling the bibles prophecy and are breaking the commandment and committing Idolatry.

@marguerilla

10 ай бұрын

and when exactly do you purport this ‘mistranslation’ was corrected? in which bible translation, when, where? is every christian church with apostolic succession - from oriental orthodox churches in armenia and ethiopia and syria to eastern orthodoxy in russia and grace and serbia to roman catholicism and so on, those churches with apostolic succession of bishops traceable back to christ - just in error, and your modern non trinitarian sect just now in recent centuries, out of the millennia of christian history, “solved”? sorry if i sound rude but please point me in the direction of this “mistranslation”…(of what part of scripture?)

@Geokinkladze

10 ай бұрын

@@marguerilla Just read up on the aforementioned council of Nicea.

@marguerilla

10 ай бұрын

@@Geokinkladze What is the proper translation? What line of scripture are you referring to? Or are you an Arian type gnostic?

@Geokinkladze

10 ай бұрын

@@marguerilla No

I read Tertullians Against Praxeas yesterday to see if it supports or quotes the longer reading of 1 John 5:7 I found 3 possible places where he refers to the unique elements of that verse but was generally impressed by his use of scripture his models are interesting but only supplementary to his proof texts. Enjoyed your discussion of the philosophy of his theology though.

@shaydenwadley

8 ай бұрын

1 John 5:7 is a spurious text and should be taken with a grain of salt

Isn't Trinity similar to the concept of body, mind and soul??? God is incomprehensible by human mind but we still we can think about Him. God bless you for this nice explanation 🌹

@alexntahiraja2974

2 жыл бұрын

Do you what to know what the Bible says on this subject? Because what i am hearing is man's philosophy. The Bible tells the truth about this truth. If you like i can share with you.

@dr.ashuroulet7462

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexntahiraja2974 sure 👍

@TheGreekCatholic

Жыл бұрын

@@alexntahiraja2974 and what is that exactly ? When they asked him who are u ? He said I am who I am ! That is what God identified himself as to Moses . They replied “blasphemy, he makes himself equal to God.” This is why he was condemned by the leading Jews. The Jews condemned him before pilate by saying he said he is “the son of God”. Simply cause pilate had no care about the Jews law of blasphemy. Also, Augustus the Emperor was called the son of god. Even on Roman coins. Don’t make the bible say what u want it to.

@AshikJonathan

Жыл бұрын

No

@Thedisciplemike

Жыл бұрын

@@alexntahiraja2974 any time we exegete an idea, we are philosophizing. There is nothing wrong with doing this at all.

The trinity is "childsplay" to understand: believe like a child. God personified through his son to take stock of our suffering and evil, also needed to have the "logos" to state the truth to the flock. The holy spirit needed to have God living in our heart when Christ returned to heaven. God is capable to do anything. What I struggle with is an infinitely expanding universe inside nothing.

@matthewsiriani

Жыл бұрын

The space we are in is Hashem in my opinion he is so big and infinite that we are just a part of I AM on going never ending expansion the space that is growing in our physical word is still nothing compared to Hamshem just like a single drop or a ripple in a puddle. I believe we are interconnected with Hashem just as a cell is with us. I believe Hashems true full presence is to much for us to handle and probably our universe that anything that we feel from Hashem is just a thought from him or a impulse. Our universe is probably like a thought made physical or something that we just won’t know till we find our way back to him.

@matthewsiriani

Жыл бұрын

I know my comment might not help but I am guessing your curious about how I AM became Himself. In my opinion just what I want to believe is that it was extremely painful for I AM to retain himself and become a all knowledge and Wisdom holding Mind or spirt then after some sort of creation of self I AM learned the way he created himself and started to do the same by giving his life that is never fading and creates itself to us and other beings with his spirt. I believe the void was not here before Hashem I believe that what happened we will never know nor comprehend till we can be close to his True Self and not just a extension.

@matthewsiriani

Жыл бұрын

tzimtzum this is your answer

@basedpatriarch

Жыл бұрын

I think of it basically as God's Will (Father), God's Truth (Jesus), and God's Force (Holy Spirit).

Hey Dan , do we have any videos on paleolithic philosophy yet?!

@PhiloofAlexandria

2 жыл бұрын

😆

Hello Mr. Bonevac I ask your permission as I intend to quote part of this lesson in my making video into Indonesian and will published your name on it. Thanks! Blessings

@PhiloofAlexandria

10 ай бұрын

Yes, of course

But when you say Father is full God which means He doesn't need Son and vice versa and same for Spirit this makes them three no matter how you look at

God is not a material substance . Using physical analogies doesn’t cut it . God is simply perfect. He is immaterial since material objects are subject to change. But because he is pure intellect when he thinks of himself he makes a generation which is called his son. Being pure love his son or expression of his own mind dwells and loves back equally . This love is what we call spirit

@blockrokinbeats

Жыл бұрын

If Jesus is of the Father and like the Father then Jesus gaining his resurrected body before ascending to God tells you God is not just a spirit.

Father - present Son - future Spirit - past Written letters are past. Under written letters is substance - spirit. Creator (father) sow the seed, and the fruits (Son) in the future are harvested.

Hear O’Israel the Lord our God is one! Deuteronomy 6:4

Psalms 90:2 .....from everlasting to everlasting thou art God. Christ 1st Coming as: The Son of God: The Lamb of God : The Crucified Messiah Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto Me hear ye near: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning from the time it was there AM I: and now the Lord GOD and His Spirit hath sent Me [ Amos 4:12 / Micah 5:2 / John 1:1-14, 3:16-18 / 1st Timothy 3:16 / 1st John 3:8 ; 5:20-21]. Christ 2nd Coming as: The King of kings and Lord of lords: The God Almighty Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall there be One LORD and His Name One. Godhead Identity The Father is the Soul of God [ Leviticus 26: 11&30 / Isaiah 1:14; 42:1 / Jeremiah 9:9; 13:17 / Zechariah 11: 8 / Matthew 12 :18 / Hebrews 10:38]. Christ is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God [ 1st Corinthians 1:24; 10:4 / Proverbs 8:22-31; 30:4 / Luke 11:49 / 1st Peter 1:10-11 / Hebrews 1:1-4] : The Image of the Invisible God [ Colossians1:15 / John 12:44-45; 14: 7-12 ]. The Holy Ghost is the Spirit of God [ Genesis 1:1-2 & 26-27 / Ephesians 2 :10 / Job 33:4 / Zechariah 4:6 /John 14:17-26, 15:26 / Acts 5: 3-4 &9]. ..Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me and the Breath of the Almighty hath given me LIFE....Zechariah 4:6 Not by might nor by power but by my Spirit saith the LORD of hosts. ❤🙏

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost Notice: Name singular, three persons

@Jp29126

3 ай бұрын

One name…three titles…acts 2:38 gives the name where in the Bible because we can not add to scripture does it say 3 persons

@Jp29126

3 ай бұрын

I’m a father to my son I’m a husband to my wife and I’m a son to my mother that doesn’t make me three persons

@jamessheffield4173

3 ай бұрын

@@Jp29126 John 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Notice: pray to the father and ANOTHER Comforter

@Jp29126

3 ай бұрын

@@jamessheffield4173 Jesus was humanity praying in the flesh if he was praying to another person of the trinity he would then be subordinate to the father and the father sending the Holy Ghost(comforter) would also be subordinate to the father because he is being sent by the father….not co equal…this is talking about the real human Jesus wanting God to release his Holy Spirit God in action upon flesh

@jamessheffield4173

3 ай бұрын

@@Jp29126Phil 3:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Per trinitarian thought, "the root" is NOT "the fruit". Per biblical _revelation,_ "the root" IS "the fruit"......and _his_ name is JESUS. *"I JESUS......I am THE ROOT **_and_** THE OFFSPRING of David..."* (Rev.22:16)

@Thedisciplemike

Жыл бұрын

The Son is not the Father

what?

There models = parts of creature

Tertullian was not the first to introduce "persons."

@PhiloofAlexandria

Жыл бұрын

Who was?

@r.e.jr.1152

Жыл бұрын

@@PhiloofAlexandria Philo of Alexandria.

@delgande

Жыл бұрын

@@r.e.jr.1152 I heard about the "Two Powers in Heaven" theory. That apparently it was present at least since 200BC and only considered heresy after 200AD or something. And IIRC, Philo, or I could mistaken it for someone else, said that the 2jd power can be considered something of a 'Son'. I could be mistaken on that detail. In any case, "multiplicity" or more than pure singularity in God has been thought of in Judaism before Christianity. So the Trinity is not THAT far out of an innovation, it only added one more Person.

@r.e.jr.1152

Жыл бұрын

@@delgande Agree. Now, polytheism has been around since Babylon.

The reason you’re having trouble explaining it because the Trinity doesn’t exist you’re a student of Plato! God is numerically one! Your hand is not your fingers !

Yuo channal is dark

Tertullian would not be considered a trinitarian. That is holding to the doctrine of the trinity as we know it today.

@kevin8360

9 ай бұрын

You're correct. That's why Tertullian isn't a saint... even though he coined the phrase "trinitas", which trinitarians use. Technically, he'd be a heretic if they were honest about it.

When i said. One God 3 manifestation: let i am the father of my son the grand father of my son’s son and the great grand father of my son son : i am the same person 3 different title or i could say i am a son a father and a grand father : i am still the same person , not 3 person just 3 title or offices ; GOD is only One Spirit or one Person with 3 manifestation or offices ; this is the simpler way i could understand it.

No trinity exists. What is missing is an overview of all that matter and a logical boost. It is not appropriate for the almighty God to do his work now, in real time. His work had to be done even before the start of the world "The world has not known you", this is why "No man has seen God at any time", invisibility is not an issue. God was able to see into the future and to do his work there. Thus, the almighty God has already COMPLETED his work (but only from his point of view, not from ours !!). "Completed" indeed means "completed in all respects", He could have been gone away! He didn't go away. By getting rid of his omnipotence (no longer necessary) He became like a man: "the Son of God". "Son" just means He DERIVES from God, He is not an "actual" Son. This means that the Son is in reality now ALONE and is the only OWNER of everything. This also means that the almighty God cannot be here because He belongs to that distant past. However, from that past God is able to be present here now with his words and actions in the form "of a spirit" (because NOBODY is here in reality). He is the Spirit of God ("God is a spirit"). The Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) is the only One inside Jesus, to help Him ("I am not alone because the Father is with me").

@spazomaz

Жыл бұрын

Didn't reply to the video mate.

What about One God 3 manifestation.

[GODHEAD IN THREE PERSONS (1 Joh. 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. Ac. 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Rom. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Col. 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Ps. 19:1-6 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day into day utters speech, and night into night shows knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voices not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them has he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.) The Father, Son and Spirit are called God. FATHER (Joh. 6:27); SON (Joh. 1:1-3; 8:58; 20:28; Ac. 20:28; Heb. 1:8); SPIRIT (Ac. 5:3-4) All three persons are mentioned together in the same passages. 1. The baptism of Christ (Mt. 3:16-17). 2. The promise of the Comforter (Joh. 14:16). 3. The Kingdom Commission (Mt. 28:18-20). 4. Paul's apostolic benediction (2 Cor. 13:14). 5. The unity of the spirit (Eph. 4:4-6). The Trinity working in unity as the Godhead. 1. Creation - The Spirit moved (Gen. 1:2). God spoke, Christ (the Word) created all things (Joh. 1:1-3); God said, "Let US make man in OUR image (Gen. 1:26; 1 Th. 5:23) 2. Incarnation - The Father gave (Joh. 3:16-17), the Spirit placed the seed (Mt. 1:18; Lk. 1:35), and the Son was born of a virgin (Mt. 1:18-25) 3. Resurrection (Ac. 13:30) - Father (Gal. 1:1), Son (Joh. 10:17), Spirit (Rom. 8:11) 4. Salvation (Eph. 1:3-14) 5. Prayer (Eph. 3:14; 5:20; 6:18)]

@shaydenwadley

8 ай бұрын

Boy oh boy , wake up this is man made philosophy and not biblical . 1 John 5:7 is a spurious verse and should not be referenced it’s counterfeit . Remember the son had a beginning he was the first creation by God seen at Rev 3:14 . Don’t let Satan mislead you

@kentpaulhamus2158

8 ай бұрын

@@shaydenwadley Read God's Word carefully, asking for God's grace for the Holy Spirit to guide you to understanding. If you reject some of his Word, you are doubting his truthfulness. Please ask for God's mercy and forgiveness.

@shaydenwadley

8 ай бұрын

@@kentpaulhamus2158 what part of the word have I rejected ? I worship the 1 true God . Not the 1 in 3

@kentpaulhamus2158

8 ай бұрын

@@shaydenwadley You use word in small case! The Word is God's Word. Joh. 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh. 1:14 And the Word was made flesh (Jesus Christ), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 1 Tim. 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh (Jesus Christ), justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

@shaydenwadley

8 ай бұрын

@@kentpaulhamus2158 may I suggest you Check out the original koine Greek for that verse . There is a definite article in front of the first reference to God (The God) the. There is clearly no definite article before the second one . Jesus is a divine one but he is not the Almighty . The verse you share is another spurious verse it’s been altered . Do a simple google search regarding the trinity In other religions you’ll see they to use this false teaching . All the best

Tertullian's philosophy of doctrine is based on Greek philosophy more than it is on scripture. The lengths and lies people do to back up the trinty LIE I don't care for opinions of philosophers I care for the word of God, In the Bible it clearly states the Father and the Son are one in the same spirit. Nowhere in scripture does it talk about three persons, part of Tertullian philosophy was Arian too, in Tertullian work the Father didn't have a voice the logos was the voice. I would love it if a trinitaria n could explain all the baptisms that took place in the bible, the apostles believed Christ to be GOD the Father so did the prophecy in Isaiah we can all read history from Tertullian to Athanasius the Trinity changed and changed, not to mention they made Mary GOD'S mother

@jdwagman

11 ай бұрын

Hey Daz "The lengths and lies people do to back up the trinty LIE " Did it ever occur to you that they would be lying about Tertullian also? Tertullian was adamantly against mixing Greek philosophy with the scriptures or faith. He wrote extensively against it. He was also against the Trinity but they flipped his words around and took what he was describing about Praxeas as to what he and other Christians believed instead. They accuse him of formulating a theory that he was in fact writing against. So if there is any lesson to be garnished from all of this it is - if we know they are liars then why should we believe ANYTHING they say without checking it out for ourselves first. He was actually antitrinatarian and hated Greek philosophy. They only use Tertullian to create an illusion that the Trinity Doctrine predated the 4th century. And they use him because he was one of the only few that wrote things that they could take out of context. Tertullian is considered as a heretic by the Catholic Church. But then they needed to label him as a "Church Father" to foster their Trinity misinformation. They couldn't say, "We believed Praxeas" , because he was already considered to be an apostate.

@daz3350

11 ай бұрын

@@jdwagman my brother When you myself or anyone takes time to research the so-called trinity for fathers you will realise from Tertullian to Eusebius you will realise non of them taught the Nicene Trinity Athanasius is given credit to this doctrine Nicene treaty was about abolishing Arianism I'm a historian and an apologist and polemicist I use the same taktics orthodox christianity uses in dealing with Islamic history the Quran the Hadiths and their religion Im going through Tertullian's work with a fine tooth comb But the amount of misdirection you have to sift through will make your head spin Be blessed of God my friend

@jdwagman

11 ай бұрын

@@daz3350 Yes its like picking fly crap out of black pepper. - very tedious work indeed. If Tertullian was at the council of Nicea he would have been condemned as a heretic like Arias.

@daz3350

11 ай бұрын

@@jdwagman yup Yes saying Jesus is subordinate to the Father is very problematic indeed and I've not even mentioned the Holy Ghost being third in third place Yeah they would call that herisy Let's hope people on this site will read our comments and do a little research Alot of rubbish came out of carthage Have you read pope Stephen letter to cyprian of carthage It's very damming

@MY-mg1ld

10 ай бұрын

@@daz3350lol the trinitarian Christians and the trinitarian church preserved the scriptures, died for the scriptures and even canonised t the complete bible you have today. If you believe in the 27 books of the New Testament you are subject to the trinity, if you don’t believe then it’s like believing in the Quran and also believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Hello The Catholic Encyclopedia quotes Tertullian as saying there was a time when there was no Son That’s not a trinitarian Jesus is the Messiah The Son of God The Son of David The Son of man The man God has chosen to be his anointed king The man God will judge the world through The man God raised from the dead Jesus will return and rule the nations with believers in the kingdom of God on the earth Jesus has a God There is no triune god in scripture Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. - Acts 3 13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. 14 But ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you, 15 and killed the Prince of life; whom God raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. Notice Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham

@spazomaz

Жыл бұрын

It's funny how unitarianism is such a joke you have to lie on basic truth. Tertullian uses the word "Trinitas," meaning Trinity which he deccribes about God, means he is a Trinitarian. Don't take quotes out of context. Also not everyone is a Catholic. Hypocrite. I sent you the quotes of Tertullian in another comment but your satanic heart can't accept it. When I grow my KZread channel in the future and preach the truth I will expose you for purposely decieveing and ignoring comments. Tertullian a.d. 145-220 In the course of time, then, the Father forsooth was born, and the Father suffered, God Himself, the Lord Almighty, whom in their preaching they declare to be Jesus Christ. We, however, as we indeed always have done (and more especially since we have been better instructed by the Paraclete, who leads men indeed into all truth), believe that there is one only God, but under the following dispensation, or οἰκονομία , as it is called, that this one only God has also a Son, His *Word, who proceeded from Himself*, by whom all things were made, and without whom nothing was made. Him we believe to have been sent by the Father into the Virgin, and to have been born of her-being *both Man and God, the Son of Man and the Son of God,* and to have been called by the name of Jesus Christ; we believe Him to have suffered, died, and been buried, according to the Scriptures, and, after He had been raised again by the Father and taken back to heaven, to be sitting at the right hand of the Father, and that He will come to judge the quick and the dead; who sent also from heaven from the Father, according to His own promise, the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the _Father, and in the Son, and in the Holy Ghost._ Matthew 7:6 is YOU.

@mitchellc4

Жыл бұрын

@@spazomaz Thanks for interacting

@mitchellc4

Жыл бұрын

@@spazomaz You can look up Tertullian on you’re own time I didn’t lie

@spazomaz

Жыл бұрын

@@mitchellc4 I did, and I sent the quote. Lol why is it so hard to just debunk it. Tertullian a.d. 145-220 In the course of time, then, the Father forsooth was born, and the Father suffered, God Himself, the Lord Almighty, whom in their preaching they declare to be Jesus Christ. We, however, as we indeed always have done (and more especially since we have been better instructed by the Paraclete, who leads men indeed into all truth), believe that there is one only God, but under the following dispensation, or οἰκονομία , as it is called, *that this one only God has also a Son, His Word, who proceeded from Himself*, by whom all things were made, and without whom nothing was made. Him we believe to have been sent by the Father into the Virgin, and to have been born of her-*being both Man and God, the Son of Man and the Son of God*, and to have been called by the name of Jesus Christ; we believe Him to have suffered, died, and been buried, according to the Scriptures, and, after He had been raised again by the Father and taken back to heaven, to be sitting at the right hand of the Father, and that He will come to judge the quick and the dead; who sent also from heaven from the Father, according to His own promise, the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the _Father, and in the Son, and in the Holy Ghost._

@mitchellc4

Жыл бұрын

@@spazomaz It’s not hard You just don’t look at it Thanks How many persons is “his”?

Trinity is Manmade foolishness.

@Ma1q444

Жыл бұрын

Who created it.

@choicegospelnetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@Ma1q444 Men .. Read Acts 20:17 and onwards 👍.. The Gospel is About God and his human son , The seed of the woman. Read Deuteronomy 18:15. MATTHEW 16:13 ....

@Ma1q444

Жыл бұрын

@@choicegospelnetwork what’s the best Bible translation version.

@choicegospelnetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@Ma1q444 The Truth is the Basic Naratives are in every Bible, However there a Bias interpretations based on religion and Denominations. However the Unambiguously clear Scriptures are enough to debunk Speculations like the Trinity.. The Father is GREATER than i ... My father is the only True God . 1 Timothy 2:5. 1 Corinthians 8:6

@timothys4864

Жыл бұрын

Praise Jesus, because He is God.

False theology.

Tertullian was wrong. God is a He and is one He and not a one What. There's no three in one God is one on everything according including Jesus and us according to 1 Corinthians 15

I worship a Trinity of 3 Gods: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. My first God inhabits the Outer Courtyard within the heavenly tabernacle. My second God inhabits the Holy Place within the heavenly tabernacle. My third God inhabits the Most Holy Place (Holy of Holies) within the heavenly tabernacle. For me, my salvation proceeds along a straight-line path from EAST to WEST: GATE. DOOR. VEIL. Who knows why? Christianity has decided to tear down the Holy Place and Outer Courtyard and cram all the sacred objects (Altar of Burnt Offerings, Laver, Lampstand, Table of Shewbread, Altar of Incense, and Ark of the Covenant) inside the one room called the Holy of Holies where God the Father resides, I can't even begin to imagine the reasoning behind that. This is not what Jesus meant when he said, "Tear down this Temple and in 3 days I will build it again."