I discovered Efrain many years ago, started studying his methods and found him on social media and for some odd reason he followed my facebook profile. I had a very hard time in my life and made a post reaching out. He messaged me and told me to call him. I talked on the phone with him for hours and in that talk, my whole outlook changed. Beyond the genius of his music and mind, he's a pure caring soul. Terry is so lucky to have spent so much time with him!

@jamesian-allen8725

Жыл бұрын

Efrain was one of my instructors at musicians institute 91-92...He's a genius, him and Ralph H were the 2 main reasons I went there and thanks to them, now I can really play the drums as well as any other instrument. Give me a bassoon and I will get you a tune out of it...and yes, he is a very stand up good human being.

@mjm5081

Жыл бұрын

❤

@davealaya

2 ай бұрын

That is fucking awesome

Terry is the mad scientist of the drums. Blowing my mind for decades 🤯

@PabloJ1968

Жыл бұрын

And Efrain Toro is his mentor. Love Terry.

@gmorton916

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

Many years ago, I saw Efrain Toro at the Montreal Drum Fest.... I had no idea who he was.... he left a lasting impression on me throughout all the years! I was completely blown away by his clinic. Just, as I've been blown away, by the continual inspiration provided by Mr Terry Bozzio.

Bozzio showed all musicians how a drum set solo could be executed. Thank you...

Wait what? Hold on, this gonna take me more than a year to fully comprehend 🤣 *put this on repeat

It’s still in 5, but with some polyrhythms on top to approximate 7. There is a subtle difference between the 4:3 swing ratio and 3:2 swing ratio when playing a j Dilla feel, so at least in that sense 5 is not equal to 7.

@deebop4904

Жыл бұрын

Polyrhythms dont really exist in efrains world. He plays all the numbers at once.,i studied with him for three years. Mewning, 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9......but all at once.

@LixinQin

Жыл бұрын

@@deebop4904 playing 2,3,4…,9 at once…isn’t that by definition polyrhythm? Maybe you have a difference definition of polyrhythm? What do you think is polyrhythm then?

I like this aspect of Terry Bozzio, explaining deep concept and digging into drum study. I feel it suit best the fact that he have a crazy kit and people will understand more where his playing come from. More content like this please!

Very informative I have been following since the Zappa years As a progressive drummer my self there is always something new to learn and comprehend

Thanks Terry! I did study with Efrain at PIT in 1984. Correct, he is a great educator and a very relax player! ( still working on the relax part my self) Lol

Really love the way Bozzio verbally articulates his musical perceptions. 🤷🏻‍♂️😅🥁

17 years and this video later, I can finally do a proper 5/7 polyrythm and naturally so without really thinking about it. Doesn't it feel go fo finally, truly master something you love? I with that everyone this feeling in their life...! :) I already had this kind of thing naturally inside me as a player because I played with so many non-Westerner in my life. I am truly blessed and humbled...!

thank you, Terrysan... this valuable nugget sheds some much appreciated light on your own stellar work & the musics of maestros Tomas of Haake & Daniel of Carey. 🙏🏼

Omg, it's so easy! All you need to do is play 4 over 3 and 3 over 2 in a loop. Thank you!!! 🔥

I like how you are all humble while still being an animal. TB you are the GOAT!! inspiration for me for 40 years. (1982) Love ya man.Keep at it!!

Thank you Terry. I had the pleasure of meeting him in the 90s. He explain that everything is built on 9s. He could also command a group to sing and play 3 over 4 over 5 if I remember correctly. Thank you again for this. It's inspiring to say the least. ✌🏼

Efrain was my Latin teacher at MI and he opened my mind up to all these concepts along with Ralph Humphrey.

@andersdo2925

Жыл бұрын

I too had Efrain and Ralph as teachers, they were barely there! They were super busy dudes in 87!

Great stuff Terry (and, Efrain)!!!!!...Wonderful "Explanation/Breakdown" for all!!!!!!!!!!!!

This absolutely blew my mind... amazing

Efrian and Bozzio are genius. thank you so much

My mind is blown, this is absolutely brilliant

Lots of comments saying this doesn't work, it totally does. To prove it to myself I taught myself a super common 4 groove, played and heard as 5. Amazing concept.

this is lovely. his groove within all this is really compelling. he's not doing math, he's speaking with it. im working towards that in my own way. just lovely

Great to see Terry getting back into the swing of things and sharing his master level skills.

I have always admired everything about Terry since day one and always will.

Awesomeness!!! 🥁

this melted my mind

That's all very cool but to be precise if you do your math you discover that subdivisions in the first 3 beats of 5 are not exactly the same as in the last 2 beats, they sort of get faster in the second part, because 3 notes in "3 over 2" are different in length than 3 notes in "4 over 3". So you have to pay extra attention when playing it or just use this as a starting point to develop a real "7 feel".

@borisnot

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's not that "exact" of a concept as the initial 4vs3 and 3vs2 polyrhythms, you have to be a bit elastic with the values... but if you manage that you can make some sick meter changes! :)

@imix_art

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same, thats why I could not actually figure it. Also when he says over 5 is it over quintuplets? I am maybe a bit confused with the terms. Help haha!

@Civilizashum

6 ай бұрын

@@imix_art No, he means getting 7 over a bar of "5/4" or /8, what-have-you as the denominator.

@imix_art

6 ай бұрын

@@Civilizashum thanks for your message 😊🙌

Mind blowing stuff, and yet it makes perfect sense.

Make sense! Studied with Efrain in 93-94. Great teacher.

he along with Peart, defined drumming in the late 70' and 80's

Beautiful breakdown!

Thanks for sharing..

magnifico.

Oh, wow!

Just awesome -Where else are you going to learn stuff like this!

Terry. I forever owe Efraín a debt of gratitude for advancing my understanding of rhythm as a harmonic phenomenon. Musicians in the so-called “developed” West talk easily about pitch harmony but deny that pulse has harmony. We complicate things by talking about polyrhythms as if the rhythm is defined by music - it is the other way around. Rhythm is universal, and humans impose their own musical points of view on it according to cultural prejudice. Intuitively, 5 and 7 do not make sense to Western perception, but Efraín shows us that the two coexist AND sound MUSICAL! There are other rhythmic relationships, of course. Bembé answers the question, “How can I play 7 with 6 (and 4, 3, and 2) and sound musical?” - there are also other permutations that answer the same question.

Terry!! This ritual and tutorial is so rich

Terry ? The N 1 ! ABSOLUTELY

Badass!..!,

This hit different…I’ve grown numb to the depth and beauty of digging into these kinds of melodic percussive concepts, precisely b/c we have access to so much content at our ‘KZread disposal’…but, this short clip captured the depth and beauty of the percussive musical journey…inspirational. #NewRabbitHoleFound

Thank you so much Terry for this wonderful drum lesson I literally just the other day was corrected about this very thing leaving a comment on a Meinl composition of Navene Koperweise that I had thought he was playing in 5 and the title was literally named 7 now I know why i was thinking that thanks.🤯🙏

@frelopermanboy7426

Жыл бұрын

yeah Navene didn’t do any of this in that video lol. This is entirely different, not sure where you were hearing 5 from.

@aaronsparks9012

Жыл бұрын

@@frelopermanboy7426 The theory that Terry was referring too is what was going on in my head while listening to Navene's song he was playing and I had gotten my rhythms screwed up while listening to it was all I ment.

Into 4ag7 and 5ag7..both similar.. Can't get enough!

the exact way to notate this for a measure of 5/4 would be 4 dotted eighth notes followed by 3 triplet quarter notes. if you subdivide every quarter note into 12 pulses - every eighth note is 6 pulses (2x6=12) - every dotted eighth is 9 pulses (i.e. 50% longer than 6 pulses) - every triplet eighth note is 4 pulses (3 triplet eighths = 1 quarter note) - every triplet quarter note is 8 pulses (2x longer than triplet eighth) so for the 60 pulses in a measure of 5/4 you get 4x9 + 3x8 = 36 + 24 = 60. but if you really wanna go next level 7 over 5, alternate the dotted eighths (de) with the quarter note triplets (q3), with the extra dotted eighth at the end of each measure. pardon my crappy notation, but that would be 5/4 ||: de q3 de q3 de q3 de :|| and if you can actually play that, post a video and tag me cause i definitely can't 😂😂😂

If Terry says Efrain, we obey

Efraín toro a good surfer,musician and human.

now I'm going to go curl up in a corner and suck my thumb! (brain can't handle!)🤣🤣🤣

Terry … you hurt my head again 😊

Performance with Bozzio and Efrain Toro on Drum Channel DVD www.drumchannel.com/product/efrainization/ “The best VOD I have ever been a part of! The title describes the profound effect Efrain’s teachings have had on Alex and I” - Terry Bozzio.

@efraintoro5073

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nmuDm6yliqW-pNY.html

5 = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 5 = 3/4 + 3/4 + 3/4 + 3/4 + 2/3 + 2/3 + 2/3 * 3/4 ≠ 2/3 The seven involves four dotted 8ths (3/4 of a beat), then a quarter note triplet (2/3 of a beat) for the last three. The values for the last three notes are 1/12 of a beat quicker/shorter. It's a clever and useful rhythmic ruse. I like mixing quarter-note triplets and dotted 8ths (those ratios) in other contexts-- especially in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8.

I would love to learn more about this stuff, and have watched a bunch of videos like this, but I'm lost after about 5 seconds every time.

Must say mike mayers always surprise me with his brilliant ideas of impressions

This alienates 99 percent of listeners. This is for drum nerds. Like me.

this is like in physics when you learn wave-particle duality

Hi Terry! 🤓👍

❤

🤯 I thought I knew a bit about displacement and polyrhythm, but 5=7? More like the God particle of polies! "Take 5", in 7, just took me for a ride!

I agree

That's right, also 9 and 6 playing dotted eighths in 9/8, or 9 and 4, playing eight note triplets inside a half note triplet in 4/4

Tremenjous, Harry as a Boy, simply tremenjous!

🌹 💞 💞 💞

I want to play T's kit

Not sure I understand... when I do it, and keep a steady 5, the 4 over the first 3 are slightly slower than the 3 over the last 2, so it is not an even 7. Is it supposed to be? If I were to subdivide (on paper) each of those 5 beats into 36-tuplets, the first 3 beats would add up to 108. When I divide that by 4, each of those notes get 27 subdivisions. The final two beats add up to 72, which when divided by 3 gives you 24, which make them a tiny bit faster, no?

wish i could play in 1/4

🤘✌️✌️🤘

Sorry Terry but no. 5 does not equal7. Your method is a good starting point, but if you divide 7 by 5, it is not the same thing as 3 strokes over the 4 strokes, and 2 strokes over 3. These divisions just do not have the same length. And that is for a very simple reason : stroke 4 of the 5division will land exactly on the 5 of the 7division.This isn't what happens when you divide 7 by 5. Mathematically, stroke 2 of division5 plays later, and stroke 3 even later, stroke 4 much later, almost a 16th note, not at the same time. With this technique, it is easy to figure out where the strokes should approximately be, and get the approximate feel, but that is just not the correct rythmical sentence.

Can someone PLEASE take Terry shopping for new shirts?

5/7 ? WHAT? My brain is smoking. My muscles are having trouble comprehending.

Bruford y Mastelotto lo hacian en crimson no?

I understand 🤔

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This is very interesting. But let’s look at it mathematically. If we are in 5/4 with a tempo of a quarter note = 60 bpm. That would mean 3 beats = 180. Overlaying the 4 over 3 we take 180 divided by 4 = 45. / with the rest of the bar of 5, the beats- that equals 120. Overlaying the 3 over the 2 we divide 120 by 3 and get 40. So technically, if I have this right, when putting this 7/4 overlay in the same time as the 5/4 we have the 2nd half of the thing being a bit quicker: 40 versus 45. Does this make sense? I’m not even sure it does. But I love the idea of these overlays and metric modulation as well. It’s a a study I need to do more of.

I do three over four rhythm with a saying and it goes like this- past the fucking butter past the fucking butter past the fucking butter. And the four over five saying goes like this - past the goddamn fucking butter pass the goddamn fucking butter pass the goddamn fucking butter.

TIMMY RAY FROM FT WORTH TEXAS SAYS I love free drum 🥁 lessons. 🤠👍🤔🖖🤫🏴‍☠️🏎

It's kinda ironic I have lately while listening to a song in 4/4 or what ever, counting it in threes with some interesting resulting grooves.

I've found this myself 5 years ago. I was sure Tony Williams or someone like that found it first, bit I didn't care. It was a personal discovery for me, and it was so fun!

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playing 4 over 3 is basically dotted 8th notes, but playing 3 over 2 are in triplets, so I would say 5 does not equals 7, cause you need to be skippin from doted 8ths to triplets to make it equal

Yes! 2 is3, 3 is 2, 4 is 3 5 is 7 8 is 11 9 is 13 Yes yes yes!

we see it does not need a giant drum kit to impress musically ;-)

@alexhicks5889

Жыл бұрын

He tries to express, not impress. Don't be that way.

@weplay

Жыл бұрын

@@alexhicks5889 don't get me wrong, but there are some good drummers who can express and impress with a tiny kit - take Sami Kuoppamäki from Kingston Wall for example

I am not the best drummer... but what I heard was the clave 2/3.... the hi hat hits the 2 beats , and on the 3 the first note it's absent while the last two strikes are present

I can do both simultaneously. In fact I can do 7 over 5 over 4 over 3 simultaneously.

Ok, triplet time rhythm over 5 , got it

Hit like if you checked playback speed too...

Sadly, Efrain has taken down most of his online content.

Jesus Christ to start off a video with Bozzio talking about his mentor is like God talking about who he looks up to!

pass, the, and, er is the 4 on the right hand. Pas ,salt,pep on the left is 3.

[7by8: you have 14 sixteens... and you play 4 4 3 3] you have a very different ratio of bar divisions than [5by8 you have 10 sixteens and you play 3 3 2 2]. Put in other words 3/14=0,214285714 which is very close (but not equal) to 2/10=0.2..... same with the long notes of the ostinato: 4/14= 0,285714286, and 3/10=0.3, very close.... not equals.... but still a nice optical illusion. If you listen carefully Terry's ostinattos.. try to concentrate only on the bass drum... and you wiill tell the difference... is not the same ostinatto.

It's called 5 EQUALS 7, but in the thumbnail you show it as 7 divided by 5.

Pass the salt and pepper

Maybe sometimes it works, but there were parts that were incredibly messy...

He looks like Dustin Hoffman 🤣

Just occupied...like narrating by translating someone giving diction. As the base players role hovers while he plays in continuum just a little less. It creates a kind of offered balance that's also imbalanced because it's active. Multicycle offerings from multiple organisms in the environment of the set or kit. Soundscape design and awareness is important. The wind should be able to play your songs...you just have to BE the creator and "god" of the universes forces. Recognize boundaries and transcend them and live in the resonant world. That's magnetism. That's force. And that's whats in the dimension of your kit. At its surface and in it's depth as area. It's like a castle that's flickering in and out of the spectrum of light that shows red and blue. !!?? I mean that it is conceptually an object used to manifest resonant environment to simulate images of frequency of modulated energy like weather which is what behaves in our universe unseen. Not an illusion. Just force. Magnetism and wind and what engine makes all this hover and float and spin and tumble. Piano wires..kneel down and look acrossed a field of tilled rows of food for next year's planting and harvesting. Look again and it's waves acrossed a pond removed from water because it's not waters behavior. It's the world and it's logic. How's that work? Same thing. Youd be surprised whats "not going on" around here. Certainly drums doesn't make any sense! Hahaha! But when the weatherman stands in front of that green screen he don't see the weather either does he! Exactly.

I'd lose it if he spoke like Liam neeson lol

These concepts open years of practice 😅..

I want a diagram, please.

2:3 = "pass-the-but-ter" 4:5 = "wash-the-car-and-wax-it"

Pretty normal in Afro Cuban rythms...

I just looked in my pants and 5 does NOT, in fact equal 7.

Less talk more demo

I feel sorry for his roadie