Terminator Genisys “let’s make John Connor a terminator.” Terminator Dark Fate “let’s kill John Connor.”

@bmadidc9123

4 жыл бұрын

T2 was a masterpiece and those idiots ruined it, just felt felt like I needed to say that

@somecharacter01

4 жыл бұрын

Terminator Light Fate “Let’s ressurect John Connor”

@Mukation

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't actually have a problem with Genesys, the only problem i had was that they didn't bother to show a scene where John tried to fight the nanomachines programming etc. For instance when they had him trapped against the X-ray machines magnetic field they should have had him tell Kyle and Sarah to flee and that he loves them etc... But for all intets and purposes, that "terminator" was actually not John. John was killed by Skynet when it injected him with those nanomachines. John died and that new Terminator just had access to his memories and could mimic his personality.

@kenet71

4 жыл бұрын

Terminator: Bio. Clone John Connor.

@Mike__B

4 жыл бұрын

@@bmadidc9123 I didn't find T2 to be a masterpiece. In fact the "No fate but what you make" idea was just a silly way to try and make a "happy ending" for a story that didn't need a happy ending. Robots from the future came back in time and killed people, shouldn't that future exist? (without trying to get into all the different "timeline" version of time travel)

You know what I don't understand is how a terminator can sit on lawn furniture without it breaking beneath the terminator's immense weight

@filmcomicsexplained

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@prettybored6599

4 жыл бұрын

Kablou constantly do wall squats

@samueleveleigh2767

4 жыл бұрын

I think you just put in more thought than the actual writers

@KyleMcKenzie1990

4 жыл бұрын

They leave it up to the fans to fill in their own plot holes. Like for example the terminator is constantly using power to support it's own weight on the chair to act more human and to make everyone feel more comfortable when it does this. But eh it could have been written where he just doesn't need to sit because he's a fricking terminator.

@kenet71

4 жыл бұрын

I just wondered why the dog loves the terminator. (probably terminates humans not dogs. Skynet has a Peta program. Kills humans not puppies)

I want a 2 hours of the future war, imagine 2 hours of the opening scene from judgement day and the bunker and battle scenes from the first movie

@Zachary-vw7dc

4 жыл бұрын

I mean that’s kinda what Salvation is. It’s not a well made movie but it’s still a future war and everything

@SPFLDAngler

4 жыл бұрын

That would be so boring... 2 hours of humans being murdered by machines, wow, so entertaining...

@Nick13472

4 жыл бұрын

Rhubartu the Saiyan well obviously they would put a story in they wouldn’t have pure battle scenes smh

@DinoDave150

4 жыл бұрын

You may want to play Terminator: Resistance, since that game is everything you just said you wanted.

@human3213

3 жыл бұрын

Rockets review and ramble Not really It's before the war When John Connor was a noob

I really can’t believe that they took one of the best strong female characters in sci fi and actually had her reduce *herself* as just some “womb”. Like talk about tone deaf Hollywood schlock. You can’t just throw out John Connor and replace her with some poor half-done imitation of Sarah and John.

@SPFLDAngler

4 жыл бұрын

Who was reduced to a "womb"?... Sarah is a badass and she wasn't reduced in any way into anything that one chick isn't anything at all just some minor factory worker earning the right to pick up pennies from the sidewalks

@lolsa123

4 жыл бұрын

they did the same with starwars :p and ghost busters

@177SCmaro

4 жыл бұрын

@@SPFLDAngler I think what he meant is the film tried to act as though the previous films regarded Sarah as "just a womb" to which the new film is oh so courageously righting this wrong, which is obviously bullshit and part of an anti-maternal, anti-feminine agenda in Hollywood masquerade under "social justice", which is typical of sjw's in general, they invent a "dragon" and then pat themselves on back for "slaying" it in order to have the appearance of being courageous, virtuous people i.e. "virtue signalling".

@incredababy5010

3 жыл бұрын

Testicles

@LordFindogask734

3 жыл бұрын

To me that was more Sarah's view of the world after she lost John. She had no more hope after that. The only thing that kept her going were the coordinates for the other terminators.She was cynical when she thought that Dani was the new Sarah, and that was normal because of all she's been through.

Terminator: Salvation is criminally underrated and the only movie brave enough to try something different. T2 Forever!

@rayn1774

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, it sucks their media campaign spoiled the infiltrator twist in their trailers

@Cj-gd1db

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@ashwilliams4292

4 жыл бұрын

Terminator salvation should have been the third part of the series....I loved it and it's so underrated in my opinion people who say this movie was bad need to rethink again.

@ironreed2654

4 жыл бұрын

@@ashwilliams4292 I that's my new head cannon

@wakaneut

4 жыл бұрын

When Salvation came out, fans were angry almost as now with Dark Fate. I liked it because it freed the Terminator franchise from the tired "evil future robot comes to kill me" plot that were already done 3 times. But fans wanted the old "template"...........until they actually got it......... then called it "unoriginal repeat plot". Yep, I'm 45 and I lived through the 1st film till now and remembered reactions from each films. Though I have my faves, I enjoy and appreciate each filmakers trying to do in each T films.

I want to go back in time and tell my younger self. That the series truly ended after T2.

@slimslendy2591

4 жыл бұрын

T3 wasn't terrible, it atleast felt like an actual terminator movie. And Salvation was just really different, that could be good or bad depending who you talk to, but even if it wasn't a good Terminator you can't deny it wasn't a pretty great action movie. Dark Fate was just a shit show all around.

@Naeem_El

4 жыл бұрын

slim slendy this movie made T3 look like a masterpiece. And yes you’re right this was just a action movie really with just the terminator name only to me. Salvation was was different, but a good different it was somewhat future war.

@davidarbogast37

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know, I thought salvation was an excellent movie because it took the story to the next logical step, which would be the Future Wars.

@GothicXlightning

4 жыл бұрын

it will NEVER end till we get a proper FUTURE WAR with john connor Leading the human resistance saga but one that truly does justice to both original master piece and the sequel fuck it SALVATION was under rated

@Jairan78

4 жыл бұрын

@@slimslendy2591 Sam Worthington is a shit actor, almost makes the movie unwatchable; script didn't help much either.

I've listened to a lot of reviews and it seems like the stank of _Dark Fate_ has had a serendipitous side-effect. It has caused a lot of people to appreciate _Terminator: Salvation_ a lot more and have people even say that it was the best-sequel since _T2_ when next to no one would have been caught saying that before. I will give _TS_ credit for breaking convention and giving us something different, but to say that it was the "best" Terminator movie since _T2_ I don't know if I agree or disagree. That movie was all over the place plot-wise. Couldn't tell if it was about John Connor, Kyle Reese, or Sam Worthington's character. Ida know. I guess by default it wins. It's the only sequel in where the John Connor character remained intact and where he resembled what were were told hat he was in the original Terminator.

@timurwilson1255

2 жыл бұрын

I think the series Sarah Connor Chronicles would have taken it in a better direction before it was retconned by 3.

@warsthemarvel8608

2 жыл бұрын

@@timurwilson1255 t3 came out first in 2003, Sarah Connor Chronicles came in 2008

@TFIta369

2 жыл бұрын

The same is happening to the Star Wars Prequels thanks to the Sequels.

I thought it was funny how a completely different version of AI still ends up creating identical looking terminators and operates exactly like Skynet. I wish people would give me tons of money to make movies, I'd at least come up with new stuff instead of re-doing old movies

@l.gaga5508

Жыл бұрын

They’re not identical

@noob4life777

Жыл бұрын

@@l.gaga5508 they are exactly the same

The saying “I’m not angry, just disappointed “ fits in great for the movie, but also adds the angry part in as well.

@aidanpetancic6615

4 жыл бұрын

VIRUS OUTBREAK “ I’m angry and disappointed”

@jesusstaccato8448

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not angry, just very angry.

@haresteven06

4 жыл бұрын

My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

The alternate ending of T2 was the true ending. They should have really continued the story from salvation instead of treading on the same water. Salvation could have been a great trilogy with the final movie ending with john sending Kyle reese back in time

@rubenscott3972

4 жыл бұрын

I liked salvation but they could have fixed a little

@steel749

4 жыл бұрын

@@rubenscott3972 it's not a perfect movie by far but it was heading in the right direction and had a good way to begin with , first movie was how john connor became the leader, 2nd movie would be him training Kyle reese & trying to find the time machine, 3rd movie would be the resistance smashing skynets defenses and launching a final attack on skynets core, the final shot could be john sending Kyle back. Going full circle with the franchise

@baskhemjingmutlyngdohmarsh925

4 жыл бұрын

One day Hollywood will make another T:Salvation remake and say its set in an alternate timeline or something and John Connor will be an advanced A.I. because thats what they think the fanbase wants to see.

@mscooldeadly

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly Salvation + Genisys could've been good focusing on the war. The first 20 mins of Genisys was great seeing the war then it went down hill. Love the end fight tho.

@theeLonelyRedPanda

4 жыл бұрын

I heard somewhere bale wanted the original ending to the movie where the heart he got during the transplant ended up corrupting/taking him over making him evil. I forgot where I heard it tho.

I think if they had taken a different route and said that the REV 9 had been by a fragment of Skynet that survived the resistance and become Legion that would’ve been better and would explain why John was killed

If I had to rewrite DF, I’d honestly only change the way the T-800 is introduced. Maybe after killing John, it just wanders, a robot with no purpose, instead of being a drapery guy. It sends the messages to Sarah because it needs a purpose. And it’s purpose is to give Sarah’s life purpose. Then it would make sense for it to agree to help Dani and Grace because he is given a new mission; A new purpose.

@harbour2118

Жыл бұрын

I would also suggest making the rev-9 less pathetic in combat. Throughout the film he is constantly being tossed around more than he shouldve been, he is the most advanced, he should also be more tactical and near-unpredictable

“As much depth as you’d find in a 2 dimensional square” 😂😂 That is fantastic.

I only see two paths from here: - This saga hit rock bottom and could only go up from here - Terminator is already dead, and this funeral was a joke

@somecharacter01

4 жыл бұрын

Gonzalo Gutierrez lmao the rev9 Took both paths

@Nixus237

4 жыл бұрын

They hit rock bottom with genisis

@danbrooks7937

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nixus237 Old, not obsolete. Lmao

@MASTEROFEVIL

4 жыл бұрын

This movie was doomed from the start

Terminator: Legion "Let's make 'Rev 9' the new protector"

@bredman6472

4 жыл бұрын

I want to see that

@aaronoconnor4392

3 жыл бұрын

It wouldn’t be a bad idea as it looks like it can mimic emotions pretty well and the sadistic personality would bounce well off of a character that would try to curve its impulsive and aggressive nature

@adamvillegas5040

3 жыл бұрын

But the Rev-9 is Adam Sandler lol..

"He's the most lethal terminator ever created!" T-meg and T-infinity: "Am I a joke to you?"

@harpseal9234

4 жыл бұрын

Whats the t-meg ?

@Randomhandle166

3 жыл бұрын

In the movie universe, it is

@gin.590

2 жыл бұрын

@@Randomhandle166 It literally isn't, John (T-3000) could literally eat the Rev-9 alive. They only say that with every new entry to establish a false sense of fear with the audience.

@RealOberonn13

2 жыл бұрын

@@Randomhandle166 the T-X

Remember when the t800 was the ultimate killing machine badass and not a house husband with draperies? Pepperidge farm remembers. Also the rev 9 is preety cool tbh

@danbrooks7937

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, the liquid metal thing has always been cool to me. The dark onyx color was a nice choice.

@medalgear654

4 жыл бұрын

But Rev 9 wasn’t even intimidating enough compared to T-800 and t-1000

@HistorywithMalachi

4 жыл бұрын

LOL HAHAHA

@JurgenCutters

4 жыл бұрын

The Rev 9 fucking smiles. Wtf is the point of a Terminator that smiles when at the same time it kills everyone. There is zero advantage to that. It completely takes away the tension.

@DaSharkCraftMC

4 жыл бұрын

I still think the T-800 held up to it's well known aspects. In Terminator 2 it was established they can understand human emotions to a degree and somewhat replicate them but not as well. In this one, it's also shown how durable and unstoppable they are. It had a plane dropped on it and the only way the Rev 9 reliably beat it is when it separated. I assume this is possibly due to the Rev 9 endoskeleton being lighter in favor of staying agile enough to keep up with its liquid metal counterpart but failing when it requires brute strength in some, but not all, cases.

Why didn't they just call the movie Terminator: Legion...

@barb1974

4 жыл бұрын

Or just have this as a non-cannon spin off.

@dhorubaPRIME

4 жыл бұрын

I agree - that title rocks!

@bogdanbubanja9781

4 жыл бұрын

Why would they? There's no Skynet because that future is changed in terminator 2 (by destroying all chips from terminators). It is logical that t-1000 isn't only terminator they sent to kill John but this t-800 is from the future that doesn't exist anymore. Since that future doesn't exist anymore John isn't necessary to the humanity. There is a new future (with Legion) in which Dani is the leader of ressistance (not John)!

@kkelseym

4 жыл бұрын

@@bogdanbubanja9781 Yeah which is why calling the movie Legion makes sense because it relates to the new future with Dani and it sounds better than "Dark Fate" which kinda doesn't relate since the "fate" is pretty much the same as it always was.

@sabacone

4 жыл бұрын

why did they can it terminator: Pure Junk

Best movies in order: T2 T1 Salvation All the garbage ones here

@legendarycollection7184

4 жыл бұрын

The bad of the bad are T3. Dam just like uh oke show us the judgement day are happen, that is. Genesys still have good story but yeah suck actor in my opinion (not all bad actor, just the acting of overall film just being usual) that because being action with none horor, at least not bad as T3 but yeah, the list you are so right.

@marv5078

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@nikik5567

4 жыл бұрын

legendary collection why was T3 so bad? Like it wasn’t great like the first too, but I mean that’s harsh saying that genesis was better than it.

@legendarycollection7184

4 жыл бұрын

@@nikik5567 for story line i like genesys plot than the rise of machine. I said that for my opinion self only, i don't like how jhon being in t3, before few days judgement day happen like jhon is really trash man, weak, and uhh stupid. Its stupid if you see how great jhon was in t2 as teenager. You should give better storyline, genesys have better at story even i soo dont like it how the story make jhon being terminator. But overall story was great, we see another moment that sarah being more powerful and baddass like sarah on t2 well we all know sarah on t2 was best of the best so its just similar, and finally we see the strategy build by pops and sarah for killing all terminator arrive. After t2 there no have horor sense so being action film so its good to see new sarah with more complete preparation. The good about the t3 just 1 in my opinion, Arnold and who being T-X was amazing, arnold was amazing everytime (well we see terminator off course overall everyone are arnold fans) but T-X act was compare able to T-1000 actor wich is that really good. Well after all thats my opinion, sems i just like T1, T2, and salvation only. Dont get me wrong Genesys are so bad but with my objective i see at least that better than T3. The bad of the bad still dark fate. Edit : my first comment when i did'n watch dark fate, now after i watch it yeah dark fate are bad of the bad, shame for terminator franchise

@NiceGuysFinishLas100

4 жыл бұрын

Salvation was good also having two of the greatest actors in Hollywood staring in it didn’t hurt.

The only thing that make this movie still ok is because Arnie was in it

@gabrielellis9585

4 жыл бұрын

yang amiee I’d say linda hamilton as well

@davidkellerfreeman

4 жыл бұрын

but he was humilliated. They want to destroy all manly heroes, just the like they did it with Thor in avengers endgame. I hate these new "women heroe type" movies. If they want to create woman icons then do it, but don't kill our HEROES!!!!

@saidufofanah2210

4 жыл бұрын

David Keller complaining about it makes you just As feminine

@robertgriffin3901

4 жыл бұрын

@@saidufofanah2210 Yet, you are complaining about him complaining. So what does that make you.

@evilchaosboy

3 жыл бұрын

That is why I liked it...The Arnie-101! \m/

They killed John Connor. Thats why the film failed. RESPECT THE CANON.

@deeacosta2734

4 жыл бұрын

FWIW MacKenzie Davis is 100% fly.

@mathiaskjeldgaardpetersen5926

4 жыл бұрын

They literally killed Jesus, without fx. touching on the works of Nietzsche. -Killed god (JC) who served as meaning and value, leading to a loss of perspective. Maybe the ''New Skynet'' was the manifestation of 'the will to power', an interpretation of humanity's inevitable solution for the greater good. I just pulled that out of my ass, and it sounds like a better movie than this without even changing much.

@SPFLDAngler

4 жыл бұрын

That's not why it failed. Fans just want another Terminator with no changes.. they want to see the future which would be boring and wouldn't have a good plot since in the future nothing happens it's just trying to survive.. All fans want is the first movie again. But that's not how shit works. They will bash and say any Terminator movie sucks no matter what because no movie will ever be the first film again. This movie was a great fucking idea. Change EVERYTHING. kill off the "hero" and that kills the villain too somehow, showing that Skynet is reliant on John to survive somehow. Another villain then rises up to fill the void, proving that in this universe an AI uprising is inevitable no matter what. Then there is Sarah who is a relic of a deleted timeline but still believes that everything still works the way it did in her world. She runs into the new hero and her guardian like how her son had a protector from a liquid metal bad guy and because she still holds on to her trauma and her old world/time she immediately believes that the timeline is the same but the people have changed. Thinking that the girl is going to give birth to the hero, never considering or even comprehending that she IS the hero. There's just so much going on and so many fun twists and exciting plot. I thought it was fantastic and I'm sure a million other people think the same thing. Dark Fate was literally the movie that "fans" have been wanting and the film that they've been hoping for and expecting ever since Terminator 2. You got the first movie redone entirely like you wanted, you got Arnold and Linda back yet again, you got all the parts of the first movie you enjoyed put back into this one. It's a remake but with entirely different character and slightly different but entirely the same exact plot as the first and second films.. why people still gotta complain is a baffling mystery keeping me awake at night lmao.... some people just have to whine and bitch, like it's carved deep into the side of their torso that they have to cry and complain about something, anything or else the world will end.

@st.6413

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, and if you are wondering why I wrote an essay's worth of text to debunk your comment, its because while a shorter, more concise overview of my opinion clearly isn’t enough for most people, so I often have to spell everything out point by point. As well, if you made your comment shorter instead of that entire paragraph stating how accepting and superior you are to others for loving this film, we wouldn’t be here. Maybe someone should send back a Terminator to stop you or me from writing these comments. But what’s done is done. In any case, if you truly believe that people like me and most others in this comment section are actively hoping for their favorite franchises to fail and to hate them, you are sorely mistaken, and need a new perspective. I didn’t want a new Terminator, I wanted a good movie be it Terminator or otherwise. I don’t want to see movies fail, I have a genuine love for film and tv and video games, but Hollywood’s laziness and ineptitude has made me expect this kind of movie, and I do not want it anymore, not just for the sake of the fans, but for the original creators and artistic integrity. That’s all I have to say on the matter. This comment is Terminated.

@voxkine9385

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly couldn’t care less if they killed him... it just made no sense and served no purpose. It doesn’t really make sense that killing him removes Skynet and creates Legion... It would have been much more interesting to me for him to be killed and see an alternate future with either roles reversed (humans go back to assassinate skynet’s creators while Skynet tries to protect it) or see another version where humanity found another leader (no reason why it wouldn’t/couldn’t replace Connor) and do another take on the original films. Instead, Connor dies, which somecraxyhow stops Skynet and we get a wet paper bag to pretend to gaf about while plot holes the size of Texas are left unanswered. If his death served a purpose, I’m all for killing him off... but it didn’t...

This is the first time I’ve ever heard you disappointed with something and man that feeling sucks but at least you made this video to explain why it’s a bad film and how it spits in the face of the other films. good in you man

@PunkMetalero9666

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, can you blame him? the movie is trash

@datboyetv

4 жыл бұрын

It's so sad how they destroyed this franchise smh

Carl claimed you could measure the temporal displacement and get a time and place, but it still doesn’t make sense how she made it onto the bridge

I'd rather fight the Machine War than see THIS future

@majorgear1021

2 жыл бұрын

same here

Why does a Terminator kill John then all sudden become friendly makes no sense

@crackedgaming5696

4 жыл бұрын

Because the t800 was programmed to kill John it had no choice or free will once its job was done it was able to think for its self and made a choice

@SniffHeinkel

4 жыл бұрын

And why doesn't Sarah kill him? She obviously knew where he was "living". They show her taking everyone to his house in the trailer. The Sarah Conner I know would have blown that metal motherfucker to hell for killing John. Are we suppose to just accept that Sarah forgave him?

@DontScareTheFish

4 жыл бұрын

@@crackedgaming5696 The whole what is cannon and what is not might need to be explained to me as I see a point in time being different than what's cannon or not. In T3 the T-X has a list of targets. One would assume that this would be the norm. I would also assume that there are backup "Ensure SkyNet is created" or similar orders.

@takenking2925

4 жыл бұрын

He was programmed to kill and not come back

@somecharacter01

4 жыл бұрын

Although atleast we got a problem solved No John No Skynet

Finally, someone thought Salvation was a good movie when everyone else thought it was shit.

@tarfielarchelone2674

4 жыл бұрын

It was shit

@captaincrazy5008

4 жыл бұрын

@@tarfielarchelone2674 ok, boomer

@johnlawful2272

4 жыл бұрын

Compared to the flash back war in the first movie

@locdasmoke

4 жыл бұрын

Salvation is the best movie sequel after T2, damn shame they never gave us that trilogy.

@sophiawilson8696

4 жыл бұрын

I like from the beginning

I literally watched up to the death of John and said nope.

If the t-800 killed John Conner in the beginning of the movie then everyone had the legal right to leave because the movie was over everyone knows if John dies then humanity lost can’t just throw away what was all ready established by the first 2 movies

Totally agree with your salvation statement, I dont understand the hate for that film.

@Empress_Theresa

4 жыл бұрын

Just like Star Wars, the Terminator franchise has a very special power: every new instalment makes the previous ones look like a masterpieces in comparacion.

@nicholasgordon4999

4 жыл бұрын

I hate Salvation because of its atmosphere. After a global nuclear war the world would be dark for thirty years because of the fallout. This is what made the future scenes in T1 and T2 so atmospheric, bleak, dirty and dark... literally dark. Yet in Salvation we have broad daylight and rather pristine and spritely looking freedom fighters. All sense of desperation and visual style was eradicated from the movie.

@christopher2684

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasgordon4999 Hey I can appreciate that, I want the future war more than anybody, That movie was and is the closest thing we have. Feels more like Fallout 4 to me in regards to the color pallet and people.

@lsq7833

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasgordon4999 No, the "nuclear winter" and obscured sun has no scientific basis, even if you detonated all the warheads at once it wouldn't be nearly enough to achieve that. Not even close. There's been some papers written on that.

@nicholasgordon4999

4 жыл бұрын

@@lsq7833 Whether true or not is irrelevant because that is the visual style and reality T1 and T2 went for.

Modern Hollywood: Use Nostalgia to sell tickets Kill Nostalgia to push "artistic direction"

@Wraithling

3 жыл бұрын

nonexistent artistic direction

@AncestorEmpireGaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wraithling you mean Lucasfilm?

I feel like if they change the name/title “terminator” to something else would cause an uproar

@jacobwooten6893

3 жыл бұрын

It’d flop hard

Terminator 3 & Salvation did a better job of connecting all the films together than both Genisys and Dark Fate did.

That moment you realize they brought back James Cameron just for show.

@TDKiller415

3 жыл бұрын

And Arnold. The real Terminator in the film was Linda Hamilton 😎😎 She did say "I'll be back" after all. The only reason John said it in Salvation was because Arnold wasn't in it and because he was the series' TRUE MAIN CHARACTER.

@thetechlibrarian

3 жыл бұрын

@@TDKiller415 and they said Eddie furlong was going to be in it as well. That was a lie.

@TDKiller415

3 жыл бұрын

@@thetechlibrarian Well technically he was in it, even if only as a facial stand-in. They said the same about Peter Cushing in Rogue One.

@TDKiller415

3 жыл бұрын

@@thetechlibrarian And when they announced it, they said his role would be small. When I saw the image of Sarah, Grace and Dani, I assumed John would play a bigger role in the sequels, like Luke Skywalker in the sequel trilogy. I NEVER expected him to be killed off so early and his only role in the film to be as a memory of a messiah that Sarah would pass onto Grace and Dani.

This film was extremely disappointing. The choices made here were just straight up stupid..

@HistorywithMalachi

4 жыл бұрын

I was gonna go see this but now.......NOPE!

@babalonkie

4 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithMalachi It's not a bad film... just a bad "Terminator" film...

@sheevpalpatine9253

4 жыл бұрын

for star wars, now terminator, why must i watch the sci-fi i love be destroyed

@lukecastellan8727

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly @Iftii Alam Sarah Connor had plenty of chances to double tap the terminator but was distracted by minor things.

@hirokinae

4 жыл бұрын

Gamelord 56 because movies are focused more on pandering to sjws that won’t watch the movies rather than making a good movie.

Grace: "Hes the most lethal terminator ever created" T-3000: *Am I a Joke to You?*

@anatoldenevers237

3 жыл бұрын

Anchor Ankura honestly, the Rev-9's design is awesome, I think it's really cool, but the first T-800 will ALWAYS be the best

@TDKiller415

3 жыл бұрын

Wokies and feminists: Yes, you are. Even Grace and Dani could beat you in our world.

@ilikerocks2180

3 жыл бұрын

T-1,000,000 cries in the background

To be honest i dont think its possible to make a better ending than T2. So many fans loved the film it had everything, so everyone who saw these movies growing up will always love them, not just because they where great but because they where great and we saw them in our younger days when things like this made a huge impression and emotional. For some of us anyway. It doesent matter how hard they try, the first two movies will never be beaten.

@Steve19055

3 жыл бұрын

And i think it says allot about how great the first two movies is when they are failing to make a sequal.

They forgot that every terminator has their learning chip on read only to avoid being rouge and such, Man they killed really killed the series 😢

@Vladymodel

4 жыл бұрын

and that function can only be reset manually and a terminator himself cannot perform such action as he would simply be powered off if he tried to remove the chip himself

@jimmyschwarz9075

4 жыл бұрын

@@Vladymodel plottwist plottwist (you See, the plottwist got twisted) someone did Set the Chip to read/ write afterwards... Still a crappy movie

How the terminators still go back in time when there is no skynet? -skynet has already sent the terminators before its death and still was program to kill john

@andresherrera2902

4 жыл бұрын

Because Skynet made a bitch move that killed John

@TheSubpremeState

4 жыл бұрын

Skynet always gets created. It's inevitable that man created AI

@AllanElMelon1043

3 жыл бұрын

*because the script said so.

@TDKiller415

3 жыл бұрын

But here's a giant plothole, I'll explain it: In previous movies, it was made explicitly clear that if Kyle Reese was not sent back to protect Sarah, then John would not exist, but Tim Miller said in the new future, Reese no longer existed because Judgement Day never happened and Reese's parents didn't meet afterwards. Therefore, John should've disappeared from existence, and so should've those remaining Terminators that were sent back, if Skynet was erased with Cyberdyne's destruction. I see Terminator 3 and Salvation as the real continuations of T2. Jonathan Mostow and McG tried to stay faithful to the first two films, and so did Alan Taylor with his reboot Genisys. For me, this movie is non-canon. Too many plotholes and contradictions.

@ruthgarcia2716

3 жыл бұрын

What’s sky net ??

Here how the Terminator story goes Skynet has sent a Terminator to kill John's mother Sarah John has sent Kyle to protect his mother When Kyle and Sarah were together they both fell in love and Kyle father John which reveal that Kyle who was sent by John was John's father Kyle died protecting Sarah but the Terminator survived and tried to kill Sarah but destroyed him Remains of the Terminator the chip and the arm was recovered by the people of Cyberdyne use it to get ideas to develop new technology and gave them the idea to develop Skynet Which means if Skynet and John hasn't sent the Terminator and Kyle into the past than both of them would never existed When Sarah prevented the existence of Skynet it worked but many years a rise of new evil AI Legion Is there a connection between Skynet and Legion? If Terminators were never sent to the past by Skynet would Legion still exist? Is the Terminators sent by Skynet has something to do with Legion the first Terminator sent in the past in the first movie had led to the creation of Skynet?

What most people seem to not realize is that once you introduce time travel, you should never expect things to make sense. Simple. So really take that into effect when you criticize any movie really what involves time travel

@Stevesmith-yw7cr

3 жыл бұрын

I wish there was time travel...so those that went to see this movie could get their time back.

Thank you for a finally honest review. Every review I have seen tries to claims that, “oh this movie is so original” and that “the characters have so much depth.” I appreciate an accurate description of how it affects the franchise and history of the series.

So here's my revised version I just cobbled together. Sorry this is really long. 1) John isnt in the film cause he's living a normal life. Since skynet is destroyed there logically is no reason for him to become humanity's savior. He's just chilling with old Arnold with his own family. 2) Arnold couldve been a terminator sent to kill John as a baby. But due to how Sarah kept low all those years the terminator couldnt find her. He gained sentiance and eventually decided his mission made no sense. So now he's just chilling with an older John and John's wife and kid simply think of as "Uncle Carl". Cause again old Arnold thinks killing John makes no sense anymore cause skynet is gone. 3) Grace and this new terminator, we'll call the Reaper (spitballling give me a break) come from a completely different time than one we recognize as the classic terminator one. They come from a future where due to cybernetic enhancements and nano tech a massive war ignites killing most of humanity in the process. Grace is a member of the military who protects the last of the non-augmented people on earth. The Reaper was created by a brand new AI created during the war, its mission is to "win" the war it was designed to beat meaning killing all humans remaining. 4) Sarah hasnt been hunting terminators but instead continues to live in paranoia and fear about the "dark fate" of humanity. This led John to finally cut ties with her and live his own life. She's able to find Dani and Grace due to her simply being on the freeway as the fight goes down. 5) Dani (who in this revision is a med student) is being hunted because in the future shes the one who invents the particular enhancement tech Grace and the other surviving soldiers use. She's even the one who directly enhanced Grace. The Reaper turns out is actually her son who was deconstruced by the metal exoskeleton's nano machines. Literally if she dies, everyone does. 6) The Reaper, unlike most terminators somehow (I assume through Dani's phone) actually taunts her as he's hunting. The purpose is to break her down mentally and leave her vulnerable to kill. The Reaper isnt her son, it simply wears her sons visage as a mask. Hope this works for some people. Sorry for the long post.

@Warsteel55

4 жыл бұрын

This makes alot more sense than what DF sounds like. I fucks with it!

@xxpapervoice7706

4 жыл бұрын

I like this

@davidkellerfreeman

4 жыл бұрын

Make sense to me. Congrats ;)

@hedgehog8776

4 жыл бұрын

Somebody hire this man

@Legittuber

4 жыл бұрын

Eeehhh this story I will say is differently better the the original Dark Fate story . But there was just a few things I didn't like about it other wise I would pay to watch it.

Personally, I like that our “Dark Fate” is inevitable. No matter what you do, an A.I. Program will always take over, with a leader always stepping up.

@Scalettadom

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. After all, "It's in our nature to destroy ourselves"

@enigma5014

4 жыл бұрын

You like garbage?lol good for you

@Trng-gk1db

4 жыл бұрын

i'll only like it if the leader is John Conner

@LLawliet-tv9ig

4 жыл бұрын

The message/concept was interesting, but the execution was not good. Again, like Genisys, the script of Dark Fate killed its potential. Personally, I like Dark Fate more than Genisys tho. For me, T2 > T1 > Salvation > T3 > Dark Fate > Genisys.

@jorge227able1

4 жыл бұрын

@@LLawliet-tv9ig completely agree on the place of the movie, but not on the reasoning on dark fate. Oh and I wouldn't even put genesis on my list lol

Thank you for such a well spoken, genuine, and accurate breakdown.

Terminator: Dark Fate gives all-new meaning to the phrase, "Hasta La Vista, Baby!" xD

@johnidle9635

4 жыл бұрын

More like "Hasta La Cucaracha"

@ghstli

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnidle9635 Jajajaajajajajajajajaj

Terminator: Dark Fate Grumbly Sarah Conner Grace the protector, give the girl a protein shake, she’ll be okay Dani, inspires Old T-800 that finnaly did the job, watches over a family as a hobby REV-9, my skeleton does yoga, and I stabby more ways than a flail

I appreciate your voice explaining the movies, and with this soundtrack is quite mysterious. haha

They did actually explain in the movie how Arnold is able to detect where a new terminator will appear. But yes I completely agree they left a massive plot hole with how Sarah knew they were gonna be on that freeway, I instantly noticed when Arnold said that.

@carlito19934

9 ай бұрын

Its answered pretty clearly in the movie arnold says that a chronal event creates a ripple in time that can be perceived in the past of that event

@DesertStateNevada

9 ай бұрын

@@carlito19934 Read my comment again. Arnold knows where a new terminator will appear, but they have no clue where its gonna go after that. Sarah had no way of knowing they were gonna be on that freeway.

Me: What's a Rev9? Producers: Its a.... You know what? Have some more action packed scenes.

@kenet71

4 жыл бұрын

Leone Senpai. Rev9 is a terminator made in china

@somecharacter01

4 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Ferrer huh makes sense I guess that’s why they easily break

looks like a bad retcon lol

@RetryOfHealGuy

4 жыл бұрын

It's mostly Tim Miller's wet fanfic. James Cameron wasn't really involved with it, since he's making Avatar 2 and 3. Plus, Cameron himself said that he ended the story at T2.

@Sicarius888

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetryOfHealGuy Doesn't Cameron started saying he was not involved and had problems with the director only now after bad reviews and poor opening sales?

@jonathanmbrassea128

4 жыл бұрын

I think Terminator Salvation was the best after the first two movies. I didn’t like any of them after.

@johnidle9635

4 жыл бұрын

it's a feminist fan fiction

@johnlawful2272

4 жыл бұрын

Kh2 and birth by sleep is the best of kh

Honestly, The Sarah Conner Chronicles AND Salvation did it (in my opinion) right in a certain direction BY KEEPING to the cannon with neat nods and easter eggs together. Cause the thing I love bout Salvation is the fact IT DIDNT CHANGE what occured or pandered with backstory, where it gave us AN AWESOME STORY in the Terminator universe with a quick cameo of Arnold. Which my opinion, looked great, sure one or two scenes were corny/not worth the moments and some things in the movie were never explained. The fact is they skipped over a bit to stay on story and I loved it all the more.

Just watched last night... I'm heartbroken 💔 I absolutely love this franchise and had such high hopes for this film. Especially after the initial trailer! It seemed like it was going to just nail the story and tie up the entirety of the movie so perfectly. But it doesn't. Not in the least. Your review exactly sums it up! Soooo much potential and somehow they still missed the mark on every turn. I really wanted to like this film. Now I'm just stuck with the trailer and memory of the excitement for what I thought was to be.

"Do you see why I'm frustrated with this film." You can just hear how pissed off he is 😆😆😆😆

@zensek

4 жыл бұрын

Sir Alex 369 facts 😂😂

@rngnodal9316

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr

I downloaded terminator dark fate on torrent For John

@kdsavage1991

4 жыл бұрын

Would John even want us to watch it?

@yacoob4871

4 жыл бұрын

In a Alternative -Universe- Future

@baskhemjingmutlyngdohmarsh925

4 жыл бұрын

I think this explained video will suffice for me

@GodsMistake

4 жыл бұрын

Wasted bandwidth. I streamed twenty minutes then gave up.

@heartlessangel7

4 жыл бұрын

L0LZ

That john connor twist though made me sad. Made me remeber Kyle's words

John Cornner:*Exist* Terminator Dark Fate: "I'm about to end this man whole career."

@pocho3881

4 жыл бұрын

you're that guy huh

@michaelesposito2629

4 жыл бұрын

Stupid meme

Can you imagine the ego of the guys that thought this shambles would be a smash hit. Ffs 😂😂

@BlacKnightRising

4 жыл бұрын

heads were so swelled they lost their minds, I can imagine the writers meeting: 'ok what've we got' ' we kill off Connor!' 'LOVE IT MAN!' 'how do we do it?' 'well well go back to when he was still a kid and blow him away in front of mom' 'oh we're so COOKING NOW!!!!' THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT!!! 'what else?' 'and we replace the white kid with a latina chick!' 'latina chick? 'yea an 'illegal immigrant' chick to, that'll piss off Trump to!' OH MY GOD THIS IS TOO AWESOME!!!! oops!!!! what a miscalculation LOL let's be real here, how mindbogglingly stupid was cameron/miller and those 20 or so clueless writers in that group of shitheads to EVER do this to the fanbase and expect the film to be accepted by the masses, just WOW!!!

@kysike666

4 жыл бұрын

Actually the director is blaming the fans

@BlacKnightRising

4 жыл бұрын

@@kysike666 the libtard mantra, it's not me it's you! on the upside time miller won't be getting any work anymore, quite frankly I can't believe cameron's getting any

@michaelesposito2629

4 жыл бұрын

SRT8Driver I mean, she’s technically not an illegal alien lol. She becomes one later tho. Technically.

Saw a lot of critics like this film... saw a lot of my favorite youtubers dislike this film. Think I'll trust my youtubers and save my cash and time... For John.

@Aristocratic13

4 жыл бұрын

MrDsleepyeyes It’s good bro. I know critics can be bias or bought but the film is good in my opinion

@XenomorphLV426

4 жыл бұрын

It's actually better than what most say. The protagonist sucks tho

@epoen2012

4 жыл бұрын

I thought it was really good as well. This guy is being overly harsh on the movie. Yes john connor dies and that's a bummer but understandable because hes been the major plot line for over 30 years. It's time for a change. Sucks that so many people judged the movie prior to watching it. I'd love to see a continuation of this storyline.

@MrDsleepyeyes

4 жыл бұрын

@@epoen2012 so let me ask then, does it add anything new to the franchise or does it try to clean the slate and retread the past movies all over again? I'm not asking about the acting, the visuals, or the editing. I want to know about the story. Did it just redo terminator 1 & 2 and conflict with established lore while using a new (female) john connor?

@epoen2012

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrDsleepyeyes it basically laid groundwork. Yeah a lot of it was rehash but the augmentation of the protector was new. The ability of the terminator was new. They didnt go much into the story of the new threat though. It felt better than the others and Arnold's role wasnt over the top and corny as possible like he was in prior installments. With pretty much no hope for a sequel this one doesnt stand well alone but going into it knowing there would be more its enjoyable.

You make Great content bro! Nice and objective. It's clear your a fan of the mythos 👌🦀✌🤘

I am ngl your humor is so so good 😭😂 I love when you go innnn on movies that aren’t good

Was about to go to sleep and then saw the notification

Terminator: exists Hollywood: *DO IT AGAIN*

@partydue123

3 жыл бұрын

Everybody else: no no no no no, NO!

I feel like this movie would've been more enjoyable had it not had the terminator name

Fascinating video, thanks for your honest opinion, very understandable!

Potential Spoiler! Also, how did Carl learn to be more Human if no one knew he was a Terminator? Someone had to physically remove his CPU & flip the switch from Read-only to Read-and-write before he could even start thinking for himself but he doesn't even mention it or anyone that might have done it for him. Does it flip itself when the mission's accomplished? Did Skynet just think "fuck it" & send a potential threat to its existence back in time anyway? And Sarah knows that Skynet doesn't send out infiltrators capable of independent thought alone because Uncle Bob told her that. Why didn't she ask? She already wants to kill him so why not call bullshit!?

@joaaoandrade

4 жыл бұрын

He learns and simulates, do that during years and your simulation will be so convincing as in the movie, he's alive, sorta, he's just simulating, but isn't there where life starts? He's and AI that's how they work anyway

@Mukation

4 жыл бұрын

It could stand to reason that Carl could have been granted "freedom" as a side effect of him completing his programming i suppose.

@damonmealor9701

4 жыл бұрын

@@joaaoandrade But someone has to flip his switch before he starts doing that

@damonmealor9701

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mukation But Skynet would never allow that. It's a massive hypocrite

@joaaoandrade

4 жыл бұрын

There is no flip, his doing the very thing he was created to do, effectively

Dark Fate: *plays* YT recommendations: "Was Genesis really that bad?''

@marv5078

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao

Good review thank you

Spot on! Perfectly explained how I feel about it too. Great work

You know you've ruined a franchise when you have to explain that the other Terminator films were not canon. The franchised died with John.

When i saw John Connor died I knew the rest was gonna be extremely disappointing. I really prefer the mk11 Terminator ending. That was an awesome ending

@Tekkaman1994

4 жыл бұрын

Whats MK Terminator ending? I've never played it; as I don't have a XBox One or a PS4.

@Doge-ox6ci

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tekkaman1994 the Terminator realizes there's no end to the war of humanity and skynet so using the hourglass he creates a future where humans and skynet work together then he destroys himself

@JulioHernandez-vi9to

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly John Conner dying was probably a good thing he successfully stopped judgement day and destroyed cyberdyne he has no more purpose because he changed and ultimately saved the future so his mission is done and as far as Carl existing since he was already going through time that allows him to exsist since he’s not affected by the future and since Carl finished his mission he had no purpose therefore allowing him to evolve something no terminator has done dark fate is a story about the new skynet and the new John Conner with a paradox that says there will always be a judgement day a new John Conner and a new skynet

How all of this should have ended : Terminator 1 & 2 Done

@guy6411

3 жыл бұрын

100% yes

@Kehvan

3 жыл бұрын

Actually... no. The set up with The Terminator ... *the first movie* ... demonstrated a causality loop that had looped at least once before the events of the first movie. Terminator 2 was the 3rd loop or greater. Each pass through the loop set _Judgment Day_ further into the future, while the date when Skynet sent a Terminator back to assure victory remains fairly consistent at being around the year 2029. If the movie was going to remain true to canon, Skynet would know, as depicted in the second movie, that it's first attempt to John Conner failed, and would try again. Thus, what we should have seen from movies after Terminator 2, is, quite literally, what we saw in Terminator 3: Judgment Day and Terminator Salvation. Now don't get me wrong, that's not to say that Terminator 3: Judgment Day or Terminator Salvation were well written, directed and produced, but at least Terminator 3 and Salvation attempted to show the next cycle in the causality loop. Terminator Genisys and Dark Fate just tossed it all out the airlock.

It's not hard to imagine a Terminator accessing any information it wants about you in the information age.

It's been 2 years, please finish The Thing series!

2:43 Kyle Reese's quote is void cuz of this movie? Damn it, CARL!!! Lol

@nicholasgordon4999

4 жыл бұрын

Actually the T2 quote 'I know now why you cry' confirms that terminators learn human emotion and empathy but can't feel it themselves. It's a bit like a sociopath in the real world can at least learn the concept of empathy even if they don't feel it, so I thought Carl made sense.

@davidarbogast37

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasgordon4999 I think you mean psychopath because sociopaths can feel empathy, they just choose not to employ it.

@GregMeije

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidarbogast37 The actual term is schizophrenia. Psychopaths and sociopaths are misused words.

@davidarbogast37

4 жыл бұрын

@@GregMeije yeah but at the same time psychopaths generally do not have a sense of empathy so it's somewhat accurate but the difference with sociopaths is that it is a choice.

@simonockwell3485

4 жыл бұрын

It was correct when the terminator had its mission. Once the mission was complete is when “Carl” started free thought. We know from T2 that they can learn and start to have understanding etc. Not sure why you’re so hung up on it lol

Salvation in this case is EPIC, not just in story but in action and every thing

Genesis and Dark Fate make Salvation look like a spectacular movie in comparison

Man, when I saw IGN gave it a good review, I was really hopeful because it’s been years since a good Terminator film… it’s really sad that this great franchise is now burdened with yet another flop.

@Terra-Antares

4 жыл бұрын

Stop trusting movie critics lol, we've seen that in the Venom movie and it just proves the large disconnect between the audience and the critics.

@filmcomicsexplained

4 жыл бұрын

Simple Brian is right! lol

@jsav4269

4 жыл бұрын

Well.... IGN is “woke” trash so.....

@hardlybreathe93

4 жыл бұрын

I mean.. Idk.. Trusting IGN..

@Timliu92

4 жыл бұрын

IGN gave Dragonball: Evolution a decent review. And we all know how that film turned out to majority of its viewers... giant massive trash.

_SHE WATCHES HER SON DIE_ How is it hard to understand that that would break someone utterly?

Sarah saying “I’m never gonna fucking call you Carol” to the terminator perfectly sums up my feelings

The purpose of Terminators is to travel back in time to remove what can impact the future. Example future resistance leaders.

So, I guess now the entire "Terminator" franchise has a "Dark Fate".

"It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop ever until you are dead. Oh and after your dead it may feel sorry about killing you and start a family, yeah its weird" *sigh* 😑

@frosthacker1029

4 жыл бұрын

And own a furniture company in the process too, can't forget that.

great review.

Glad to hear some love for Salvation!

John: "It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and It absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead." Nyet: "And after you're dead, it will raise a family, give itself an unassuming name and specialize in drapes." Me: Then it will drop its facade when the nuking and machine uprising begins, traumatizing its wife and child upon revealing itself to be a machine in front of them.

Arnold: “I’ll be Damn.”

Possibly the best review I've seen on any movie, nailed it. Bravo 👍

I actually liked that the T-800 actually adapted to a "normal human life" cause it has been shown that the t-800's are independent AI's wich were capable to learn and act independently, i think the movie has some interesting ideas but just as you said they were horribly mashed together To me the highlights of this movie were Gabriel's Rev 9 and Karl

@foxgaming1084

Жыл бұрын

However I see a problem. Skynet would switch there t 800s in read only case of them going rouge on solo minutes the extended cut of terminator 2, unless they deactivated when there objective were finished which could be possible.

@rj3u

Жыл бұрын

@@foxgaming1084 this is actually touched some more somewhere (don't remember where tho), Skynet came up with the read only as a way to limit what the independent AI's could grow to and it somewhat worked 'cause the t800, t900 and t1000 were not meant for long term operation but eventually the lesser AI would break out of their limitations and became sort of self aware or just straight up disobeyed orders among other things, which made them unpredictable or dangerous to skynet's goals and so were quickly put into obsolescence by other models. This is why I though the Rev9 was interesting 'cause it's not a lesser AI but a part of Legion itself. Again this movie had some great ideas, shame

A good analysis and dissertation of this “Sh!t Show” but its like trying to explain the molecular structure of dog vomit....the process might be important to veterinarians , but leaves the dog owner left with a chunky mess on their rug! Good review of a terrible, chunky and stinky mess!

I don't plan on ever watching dark fate. I appreciate you making this video because it validates my concerns and made it so I didn't have to watch it to find out for myself. T1, T2, Salvation were the best and the most cohesive.

Wow glad terminator was just the first two films they were so good too bad there were so many bad fan films that came afterward

Linda Hamilton reprising role was the only thing that actually kept me remotely interested. The one thing that completely drove me nuts in this movie is that the producers and writers fell to keep their obligation into forcing the gender social issue in today's world. It just felt like the soldier sent back in time felt entitled to protecting the new leader of the resistance strictly on the fact because she was a woman. And I feel the 2 strong female characters of this movie were completely conflicting in the story archive. That being said Linda's role as Sarah Connor will always be badass and still hold its on.

@solomonkane8136

Жыл бұрын

I watched and enjoyed this movie for Linda and Arnold. I did my best to ignore the new politically correct cast.

@kineticproductions3831

Жыл бұрын

@@solomonkane8136 when Sarah replied to the Terninator "I'm not calling you Carl." Had me dying of laughter

Hollywood writing scripts that's a lower quality than a lot of fan fiction.

@lsq7833

4 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly when someone explained the plot points and some of the cringeworthy dialog. I though he was pulling my leg and it couldn't be that terrible. Downloaded a screener, and oh boy. They absolutely killed off this franchise with no hope of return.

@AdrianMDavis

4 жыл бұрын

Nepotism is strong in Hollywood, so the talent pool is small and they are the worst of the worst.

The terminator's back story sounded like Twilight 😂

I had never seen the film until tuning in an hour or so into it on TBS, I wanted to know the backstory.Thank you for this review and explanation.

Long as two more film come out explaining the holes I liked it. You made some good point doe....

I want another movie for the future war. Like a sequel to salvation or just a movie about the future war

@dangerszn25

4 жыл бұрын

Jamal .T YES

@roblosonic505

4 жыл бұрын

You should read the terminator salvation the final battle comics

@frosty8724

4 жыл бұрын

There are 3-4 books that continue Salvation you should check them out.

I was interested to see what someone invested in terminator lore such as you would have to say about the film. I appreciate your points and think they accurately portray why everyone feels so violated by this film. Thx FilmComicsExplained

THANK YOU! I’m not the only that actually likes Terminator Salvation

i agree with you about salvation being the best one other than 1 and 2.