Me, who has been savage raiding for years: Yeah I'll watch this video on basic mechanics

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Well, sometimes it can be interesting to see if we all agree on the general approach to dealing with mechanics right? ^^ I hope you found it entertaining nonetheless! :D

@ShadowProject01

10 ай бұрын

Hey nothing wrong with that. I’m same as you but you never know might learn something new.

@domm1158

9 ай бұрын

Whatta Chad clown

As someone stated earlier in the comments, I think the idea behind the purple knockback circles is that you cannot negate the knockback through knockback inmunity actions. This is also consistent with the other common knockback indicators: the arrows pointing outwards (or inwards) from a source, where it tends to be orange when normal and purple when you cannot avoid it (such as in the latest Extreme, where the source is one of the healers). Some examples of indicators that may warrant a mention are the tankbusters, the "dorito" markers, and also a potential mention of "elemental" mechanics. That is to say that, in the same way you mention the pyretic and deep freeze mechanics being associated to fire and ice effects, there are certain effects being associated with other elements such as earth featuring AoEs that come in waves, water being associated with knockback, wind with donut AoEs, etc. Usually, knowing these help me understand mechanics easily at first glance, or even predict them. Although I guess that's too inconsistent and muddy to add to a video like this, as it is meant to be a bit more beginner friendly. Anyway, great video! I'm always happy to have resources I can send my friends when they start to recognize the most common markers fast and easy.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for adding to the knock back discussion as well 😊 The elemental observation is actually a good point! Yeah it isn't always accurate, but donut aoes are a lot more common in wind fights, and knock back when water is present! 😊 It is worth considering at least to see how consistent these patterns are! Thank you so much! 😄

Im gonna mention what I call puddles, when a player is marked with an aoe and when it resolves it leaves behind a lasting damaging effect on the ground. I can't count how many times Ive seen players just drop puddles wily-nily all over the place rather than taking the puddle away from the party and towards a wall. Though the variation of this, the spinning disks that will randomly wander an arena, can be somewhat annoying since even if you drop it at the wall it can still affect other people.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

This is true! The awkward thing with these types of mechanics is I feel often they use a generic spread marker! However, it can still be helpful to teach a new player how to deal with this type of mechanic for future reference! 😊

if you're a sch, sge, or WHM, and you're not comfortable greeding gazes yet, you can turn around if you're close to the boss and use holy/art of war/dyskrasia so you can safely get a GCD in while staying faced away. ofc it's a loss over being able to greed glare/broil/dosis, but it's still a safe gain over just doing nothing at all

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

This is true! And before you get broil, like in world of darkness, art of war is actually a very mild gain over ruin! 😁 A very good tip!

@SREDISKRAD

9 ай бұрын

Another thing to note about Scholar is Ruin 2 is an instant cast ((Same with Sage and Toxicon but that requires stacks of things)) which means as long as you're wiggling camera with rmb you can press that button and satisfy both mechanic and rotation. And astros? They're too busy looking at cards for glare effects to hit them XP

This is such a great video especially for newer players like me. My highest level class is Black Mage level 56 (just starting Heavensward) and all the new mechanics and boss fights have been seriously kicking my behind.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Black mage is certainly one of the hardest jobs in terms of dealing with mechanics, so as long as you are trying your best, I am sure you will catch up with the difficulty! 😁

@TheGameKat

10 ай бұрын

Some mechanics are really hard for BLM to handle. I found duties worse, such as when there's a dps check and you keep on having to dodge AoEs. Nightmare for a slow caster.

I would also call out Forced March and Dorito Stacks. Dorito stacks really give no indication for how to resolve them--you just need to know.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Very good suggestions, especially Dorito Stacks. In retrospect, I should have included that in this one ^^'

@Xylus.

10 ай бұрын

I've seen the dorito stack marker so many times, and I still don't know what it means lol. There's a lot to take in, even after a year of playing.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

@erratichurrah3320 in that case I have some great news for you! The red triangle (aka the dorito stack marker!) is resolved by standing next to at least one other red triangle! 😁 It is extremely unintuitive!

@TheGameKat

10 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Aren't there some markers that (to me) look identical to Doritos, but they also have a circular AoE indicating they are spread apart signifiers? Thinking, e.g., Ala Mhigo.

@arcanine_enjoyer

10 ай бұрын

​@@TheGameKat Basically if it has a circle, 6 feet apart, if it doesn't, we kiss.

A couple of mechanics that I feel are common enough to learn how to deal with them 1. Forced March mechanics- they appear in stormblood first I believe and are prevalent in quite a few bosses 2. Dorito stacks- This one happens quite often and I'll see people even in the dead ends run away from me when this happens 3. Grabbable tethers- While not usually in normal content I feel like this one warrants a mention 4. Exaflares- this one is becoming more and more prevalent as time goes on. There's a lot of variations of this, especially in the EW Alliance raids

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Very good suggestions! Thank you! 😁

About the blue/purple circle You can use abilities like surecast to nullify the knockback of these attack only if the circle is blue Same thing with the old knockback symbol, like in P9 when the boss is in his beast phase If it orange, you can surecast it, if it purple, you cant Idk if it was really understandable but anyways your videos are nice to watch and always a pleasure to see a new video dropping

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! ^^ That sounds about right. I decided to not specify what knockback immunity works against because in my experience, whether knockback immunity works or not often feels somewhat random in general. But it might be consistent with the blue/purple circle things! ^^

@andohbernard8846

10 ай бұрын

Also in some occasions. 100% shielding the damage from the knock can cause you to not be pushed back. Most knockbacks that originate from the target's hotbox (not telegraphed) works this way

There's another mechanic similar to proximity markers that I think could easily be covered. You see them in HW trials and the last HW Alliance raid some, but not too often in most normal content. Glowing green and yellow markers above 2-3 players is the most seen, and the mechanic results in a line AOE extending out from or to you. Either it can be avoided, or it means the marked players will get hit and they have to do their best not to overlap with other marked players and teammates, lest more people take damage. I know someone else brought this one up in another comment, but since "YOU are the AOE" is becoming a more common mechanic lately, I thought it best to mention since it has variants ranging from the attacking being unavoidable and you move it away your party, you decide where the AOE goes so you can create everyone's safety, or you become an AOE and thus need to ensure that you aren't accidentally killing your own team.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, those where the mechanic places a marker where you happen to be a while later! And then there's also the variant where it puts down like a star shape of line aoes! 😊 Thank you for the suggestions!

6:04 Depending on the boss! For instance, the final boss of the first Ivalice (70) Alliance raid, has a mechanic where you need to move to avoid a debuff. "Flee and do not stop" Casting a spell DOES stop that mechanic from punishing you! This is very easy to see on Black Mage. Of course if we're only talking deep freeze and pyretic, that would make that correct.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

The faces(?) mechanic from the boss in the first Ivalice raid I think is somewhat unique, but I was certainly not aware casting counted since I would normally treat it similarly to the deep freeze style and stay moving 😁 Thank you for mentioning it!

Surprised Exaflares didn't make it in :P Great video, though, sharing this with a newer player I got into the game!

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

I'm glad to hear that! I suppose exaflare is a pretty common one as well! I will add it to my notes for the future! 😁

1:10 "It is LETHAL if two lines overlap" Figured that out about a week ago when I got sniped by another alliance in the very fight shown in this clip, the tank was the only one who survived.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

I have saved multiple groups by simply mentioning that little detail just before the fight starts! In fact, a lot of players don't even consider that the laser can reach the other teams! 😅

For tank stack markers, note that it is an option to invuln through it, depending on the situation and whether you need your invuln later in the fight. For the any don't do anything mechanic, you can do that on console by pressing L1 and R1 simultaneously. That's how you sheath your weapon. It is safer than untargetting enemies, as being hit by an attack can target them again. At least it does for me. For the deep freeze mechanic, I tend to jump and run around frantically to get the attention of the other players, who may not know about it, and hope they understand what to do. Based on experience, that seems to be the go to way to teach others mechanics when you can't write due to being in combat. For the limit cut mechanic, there is a variant with a tether, that's one where you need to run away from the boss and the type of tether indicates if you're doing it right or not. And example of this is the last boss in Grand Cosmos in ShB. That's the spiked tether you explained in #08. You even showed footage from Grand Cosmos, but it was unsynced/solo and the limit cut can only happen when there's more than one player. Another important mechanic is forced march. And the mechanic where a player drops AoEs that follow them. Not sure what it's called. Tank swaps as well, but I don't remember any instance at anything below extreme difficulty, so not sure it needs to be in a video for newer players. Maybe I forgot or it was just not important, or it really only exists in EX or harder. No, that's wrong, the Alliance Raid is called The Wiping City of Mhach, not Weeping City. That's thanks to Forgall, Forgall just wipes alliances with Necropurge -> Mega Death. That's the law, if less than half the players die, the raid is broken.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Don't worry. If being attacked causes you to retarget the enemy, it does not cause you to start attacking automatically! It is simply a reliable way to stop auto attacks and anything else you might be doing! But the sheathing is also a good way to do it! 😄 I know some players unbind the sheath button on keyboard (Z), so that might be less consistent advice! Indeed grand cosmos has a variant of limit cut that combines the spiked tether and limit cut. It still performs the entire mechanic with just one person, it just only does it once 😊 Indeed, forced march is a good one. For the other one I call them chase aoes! 😁 For tank switching, very very few normal encounters offer it, and in most cases groups insist on not switching, since it usually isn't required! 😅 Yeah the mega death mechanic is incredibly unintuitive so it gets a lot of kills 😂

@Viech54

10 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Interesting, didn't know that, I just sheathed my weapon. I learned how to do that when I farmed Titania EX for the mount. It is required to stop attacking right before the arena transition until Titania tethers a player to skip add phase. Something else players need to learn is to not be too undergeared. Like, at least use what the MSQ gives you or buy crafted gear off of the MB. Or use current tomestone gear. And don't go into extreme content or harder when your gear is bad. I had too many players like that in DF and sometimes in PF (but that's on me, I could've kicked them). But not sure you can teach them that in a video. Still, might be good to teach players how to get gear while doing MSQ and how to start getting into higher difficulty content. Yes, fail mega death or disband... Oh, wait, different fight, different mechanic, different meme.

Good list, well explained on the variations Another good one is polarity. The + and - means draw in, and ++ or -- means push away Chasing arrow thingies targeted on a person , where aoes follow them would be good too. I know they have a name I don't remember.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! 😁 Right! The magnet mechanics! I normally call them chase aoes, but someone else called them tracker markers so I suppose the name may not be entirely set in stone! 😁 That is a good one as well!

Nothing New to me but i really appreciate your Videos. There are a great Help for new Players. Keep up the great Work 👍

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! I really do hope new players will find it helpful! 😄

I think the TB and it's cleave variant are worth mentioning here. A lot of people know the TB but they don't know what the version with the yellow tape means. I think you should also have included the "It follows you" indicator (The arrows that trace your path), maybe consider the similar "You need to catch it" a variant of that but that might not be common enough.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I suppose I only included the stack tank marker in this. That is my mistake! The chase marker or whatever people call it is a good idea. Indeed, a lot of people misunderstand it! The catching version might be viewed as a variant!

i'm glad i slowly but surely figured out all of these over time but it would've been much easier as a sprout if i had seen a video like this! I hope they keep using them throughout all content so there's a nice continuity to it. The old content reworks for duty support already started this very good style of combat design

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

I'm glad to hear that! I believe they have decided that this is how mechanics are portrayed in the game, so I have a good feeling they will stick to it for the future as well! 😁

Nice to see some of these. I guess if anything comes to mind it might be divebomb, protean/earthshaker, line of sight, and enums. Oh and gotta love how stacks on tanks in 4 man content can just be solo'd. XD

@CaetsuChaijiCh

9 ай бұрын

Those are good suggestions! And yeah, it is quite silly with small group stack markers at times! 🤣

They should put these in the aar and heavensward solo content, that would've made those quests much more interesting

An addition for gazes: Fir the most part, when gazes are simply part of a cast going off, whether or not you are hit is snapshotted when the castbar goes off, so once the bar is full you can start attacking again. There are a few exceptions, but the only one I can recall offhand that pops up a lot is Angra Mainyu in World of Darkness. For that one, you have to turn away and not face him again until you see the miss indicator. The rest you'll typically be safe as soon as the castbar is finished. Also this obviously doesn't apply to more complex mechanics where the gaze comes in the middle of everything, such as P8.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Indeed! Generally, just like with most other mechanics, the snap shot happens when the cast bar finishes. But I feel like a surprising amount of gazes have some sort of awkward timing, and the safest way is to wait until the game says go, even if sometimes you could safely go a bit earlier 😊

@SREDISKRAD

9 ай бұрын

The issue with the ones in P8 is getting them to off when the timer says they go off XD

Thank you for this video! I play sporadically and always forget what some markers mean. Great explanation as always. C:

@CaetsuChaijiCh

9 ай бұрын

I'm glad you found it helpful! Thank you! 😄

The Tankbuster Marker should also be common enough to merit a mention.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

I suppose it should! I did mention the tank stack marker which technically is an expansion of it, but you are probably right that the regular tank buster marker would be nice too 😊

@D0cSwiss

10 ай бұрын

Especially the difference between the line tankbuster and the point or AOE tankbuster

Things that I see trip people up a lot Tracking Markers- Like Scathach's Orb attack in Dun Scaith, I see so many people either standing still or running through the party when these come up, causing utter carnage Knockback Arrows- Variant of the Knockback Pillar, still seems to get people Line Tankbuster/Line AOE indicators- Once again, people often aim these at other players or stack them up

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Very good suggestions! It is quite surprising how often the tracking markers get people especially! 😅

@ShroomRPG

10 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Mainly annoys me because I'm trying to heal the raid and some muppet drops them directly on my head

My suggestions: Cover the Tankbuster mark (all three variants, the single target, the beam, and the aoe) Talk about arrow pulses (raid wides that deal knockback, works just like blue or purple circles but being in the center does not kill you) Light/dark mechanics (these are less common now but still show up. Im talking about the White and Black circles that need to be combined) Solitudes (aka dorito stacks) Prey Markers (repeated targeted single hits that can be transferred around) Blaster Tethers (like prey markers but usually has to be taken away from the paty) Exaflares (advancing circle aoes that keep happening in a line) Magnetisms (+/- tethers) Earthshakers Tremblors (expanding or contracting circle to ring aoes)

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

A lot of good suggestions! A problematic part about tank buster markers is that very very often, they all just use a generic tank buster marker, so it can be very difficult to teach anything beyond "just don't stand on your team or face the boss towards your team, just in case it isn't single target". But still, thank you for the suggestions! 😄

@Nazuiko

10 ай бұрын

I was gonna mention the Exaflare suggestion but Earthshaker is one of the most common and universal attacks, even often literally called Earthshaker :)

It took me forever to understand that a lot of mechanics tend to act similarly just often given a different coat of paint depending of the fight, like Judgement Nisi and Hello World with their passing debuffs, so it never hurts to have a reminder of simple mechanics. P9S I’m coming for you soon.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

That is very true! Older bosses in the game are also more commonly likely to have a more... Unique visual for a mechanic, despite it being something mundane, which causes confusion because it sacrifices readability for flavor! 😅 I hope you get to P9S soon! 😊

@VashimuXIV

10 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh It’ll be my first ever Savage fight, I only hope PF is willing to be kind to a total newbie despite the extensive amount of research I’ve been doing on it.

The only thing I'd add is throw in Numeration stacks in the stack marker section. I.E. here are 2, 3, and 4, person stacks that need that number of people in them respectively.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Oh that's a good one! Not the most common in general content, but very difficult to understand at a glance!

To add to the tank stack marker, it actually will choose a random player sometimes to split the damage with if multiple people are in it, I have tested it in a static situation where all 8 members went in but the Tank with the marker and healer took the damage. It's kind of funny that it's pure RNG.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

I wonder if it shares it with whoever is closest to the tank in such a situation 🤔 or was the healer that was chosen clearly further away than some others? 😊 But that is a good point that the marker hits a set number of targets!

more lvl 90 people need to see this

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

I suppose i have seen a lot of max level players fail surprisingly common mechanics! I appreciate it! 😁

I don't know if it's consistent enough in its other incarnations to be worth covering, but the orange tether of prey/slippery prey gets a lot of players killed in World of Darkness.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

It is a bit niche, but there are a handful of bosses in the game with such a mechanic! Thank you for the suggestion! 😊

the different tank buster markers, the one that marks a LINE/AOE aimed AT the player and the normal one (example during the menphina fight in Euphrosyne where all three tanks get that marker and have to aim it away from the alliances and each other. Also ExaFlares, plenty of those and finally i would add player to player tethers that need to be broken/tethers than need you to stay close or do somethings IE the vaults final boss for tethers that need breaking, Zurvan extreme for tetehrs that need you to stay close and the Ramuh tether that requires players to stop attacking and collect the electric orbs, or the battle IN the big keep first boss where the tethered players need to move together as examples of different player tethers

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

I feel like the list of many unique tethers might be complicated since each of them are dealt with differently! There's also the part that many tank busters simply show the generic red arrow, and don't truly show its hand on whether it's single target, a line or a circle or something else until it lands, so the marker itself only says so much 😅 But they are good suggestions!

you should go over common savage tropes/strats

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

That would certainly be interesting, since many savage fights reuse similar approaches to different mechanics! 😊 Thank you for the suggestion! 😁

@AquaMusica305

10 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh I need this please do that I have only done p1s and want to do more savages but nervous about doing it and I don’t understand party finder when the strat is posted and people are suppose to know how the strat works I need to also do shb extreme content to unlock mentor roulette so if it applies there to for extremes would be great to know

It's a debuff instead of a marker, but I'd still say Doom is an important one for all healers to know. If it has a white line over it, Esuna to keep people alive - if it doesn't, the debuff will usually disappear if the affected player is healed to full. There are exceptions but they're mostly in ARR, iirc. You sometimes see healers all the way in __The Dead Ends__ that don't recognize it and it breaks my heart every time. x_x

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Yeah doom is an awkward one since there's almost a list of things to consider, even if it isn't long! In my experience, often the healers in dead ends miss it because they didn't even notice the debuff 😣

7:25 Oh man, LC1 really messed me up during prog. Still haven't cleared P9S because I fucked up my static's best attempt but Kokytos Soccer gives me nightmares.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Limit cuts in savage fights are always brutal because they put so high expectations on everyone positioning near perfectly, else everything is in ruins! I hope you get the kill on P9S soon!

oh this is very helpful, thank you! currently going through stormblood FT and i still don't get what some of these telegraphs mean 😂

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

I'm glad you found it helpful! 😁

with how common some of these are (and how often i see players run with a stack marker) i feel SE needs to add more to the house of the novice, add an "now for more advanced lessons" section or some other name. If it was me, i would make it level 50 and give a weapon (iLVL 130) for the job doing it, then a message explaining tomes and such.

I play as a PLD and my Boyfriend plays Sage. Sometimes we watch the newer players and when we see them run from a stacker my bf rescues them while standing near me, I put on cover and then my Invuln in case the other party members don’t get there in time🤷🏿‍♂️

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

That is a pretty cool strategy! I imagine you often have had to chase after the sprout even after the rescue at times! But that is super cool! 😁

@ShadowProject01

10 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiChyeah it works about 70% percent of the time. Sometimes the sprout will leap away and get ko’d anyway but at least we tried😂

For the gaze mechanic, do both the camera and character need to be looking away? Or can I just turn the character to be looking away from it?

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Just the character 😊

I remember testing that damage share mechanic one time. Huge Mistake.

there are these follow arrow markers...idk what they're called, chase markers? The final boss of the 2nd EW dungeon has one for example. I don't quite understand how to dodge it, 90% of the time I get hit by every strike and just die no matter what I do. Do I have to run in a straight line do dodge it? If yes, when do I have do that? Before or after the attacks go off? Or is something different? I just don't get it..

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

These are often called chase markers. They usually do circle aoes repeatedly that gradually get closer to you, so you want to make sure it spawns away from everyone, and then make your way as far away as you can (without it pathing into your party!) For the 2nd EW dungeon specifically, if you make sure to spawn it all the way to the left (or right), you are safe if you then run all the way to the right (or left), as it stops before it reaches you in this case. You can typically tell when the attack "spawns" when the marker is replaced by a circle aoe! I hope this helps!

I'm a double legend why am I watching this...... nice guide btw

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! Who knows, even a double legend might be interested to see if there was a trick to pick up that they hadn't considered before! There's always more to learn! 😁

Red and black swirly circles means please for the love of all that is holy do not stand here you are just going to explode.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

And sometimes they also grow, so take that into consideration when finding a safe spot! 😅

Earthshaker markers too. Usually lines, sometimes with markers, and sometimes with bad puddles left behind. Surpised not to see these.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

That is a good suggestion! I actually wrote down earthshaker because I felt the list started to get long, so I wrote it as a note for a part two for example! Thank you for bringing it up! 😁

You seem to be calling Extreme Caution a Pyretic, but it's actually an Acceleration Bomb. You do point this out, but Extreme Caution only checks if it should do damage on debuff resolve, just like an accel bomb.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Are you referring to dynamic sensory jammer? 😊 You can see in the footage that I take damage after performing an action, and that someone else in the footage is struck for acting when it runs out. That's why I am highlighting that it is some weird combination 😊 I might be mistaking damage applied alongside the debuff being applied, but I am relatively confident the damage is taken specifically after performing an action 🤔😊

Maybe I'm mean, but if someone is ranged and they're off in the middle of nowhere with a stack marker.... I'm not moving over to them lmao

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Whenever I have this happen on stream I always say it's the unwritten rule! 🤣 You deemed your damage too important to move into melee, so I deem my damage too important to help you! Fair is fair! 😉

@Scerttle

10 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh TBH this is why I will typically hold mobility options for when I know a stack is coming up just in case I get it, then I'll run to the middle of the boss' hit box lol That, or I'll just sit on the rear melee spot even when playing ranged...

The mechanic where you have to rapidly click your mouse or buttons on keyboard/controller failure to do so results in everyone wiping usually The mechanic with the last pandemonium raid with the tethers bringing in the donuts and the orbs where donuts do a donut at the spot and orbs do circular aoes they kinda did it in 3rd hw alliance raid with clown boss doom mechanics usually require one of three ways to resolve- Esuna with white lines above the doom debuff, over healing target to full, or usually standing on a light up seal or some other mechanic In the rokkon variant dungeon there’s a lot of mechanics but I’ll just name two, the repeated 1st boss doing red aoe that is a future mechanic you resolve not when the markers are out but when the effects go off which you can also see this in shb 1st alliance raid final boss, and the samurai is kinda a variance of the future mechanic you have to stare at when the arrow is pointing to at the time of the movement and not when the markers are showing Technically another one from variant or other duties when you see the whole arena showing wind blowing from one side to the other you have to get to the side the “wind” lines are blowing from The ew 2nd 83 dungeon for example with the plus and minus symbols or even the other concept in the sb 2nd alliance raid final boss plus and minus arena split usually to resolve u don’t want plus with plus or minus with minus. They also do this with the duty in bozja on the top side of the 1st encounter This game really comes out with a ton of mechanics lol sorry I listed a lot

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

A lot of great examples! I feel some of them are a bit specific, but I still appreciate it, because you might be able to compare them to other very similar specific mechanics! Thank you! 😁

@AquaMusica305

10 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh ya sorry if some were too one timer specific I had issues with some of these and never understood how they worked which caused a wipe or me dying especially the future mechanic one Oh and I guess another one or concept is when your reading boss moves if they lift one hand or another to determine direction of aoe attack or placement of aoe but each boss is unique with how they do physical action to symbolize their specific attacks I did learn from u the multiple stack mechanic with how many times you get hit with attack as a group ty for the lesson was a great video to watch

You didnt cover the mechanic of "guy who refuses to follow instruction on how to dodge mechanic". Really need clarification on how to handle that one.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Ah what you do is when they die too many times you down prioritize their raise very heavily, and then maybe they learn to listen when they realize they don't get to play at all! 😅

Just stand and let things resolve bro

Does the game explain any of those ingame? Because just based of the effects, you have to guess what the game wants from you. Im currently in the post-story after ARR and its super annoying that every other MANDATORY Duty throws a mechanic at you, where you have no idea what to do. Crysalis was by far the worst so far at that. You run into those orbs and they damage you and give you a debuff, making you think - "Alright, dont touch them. Probably a dodge mechanic, that kills you with an attack afterwards if you gather too many." Well... wrong. Isnt it obvious that you have to run into these things that damage and debuff you?!? Sure! Same goes for the meteor mechanic - are people meant to try around until they find something that works out? How are new tanks supposed to know that they have to catch fkin meteors?!? The game never introduced something like that before. Not to mention how ARR is in general all over with its effects and how they are displayed. Including Vanilla the game is over a decade old. Why did they never fix ARR and build a solid introduction to things for new players? Why do they shove all the responsibility to other players? (Well, of course to save time and money, but still - what a lazy pack.) And people are wondering why nobody wants to play roles with responsibility or quit the game halfway through ARR. Yeah, crazy. I wonder why... I only hope that at least the story gets better in Heavensward. That might be the only redeemable part of this game until now for me, because even the so highly praised story of this game stinks hard until this point. Alone the fact that half of the cutscenes are not even voiced is ridiculous. Even more given how long FFXIV is already one of the most successful MMOs that we have, so it should have been easy to add voicelines to the ones that were originally left out.

@CaetsuChaijiCh

3 ай бұрын

Some common boss mechanics are things where you are supposed to learn them as they come up, and since they often use the same indicators for them, you will eventually understand. Or, you will learn from other players explaining it usually (it is a social MMO after all..!) In regards to The Chrysalis, which some of those mechanics you describe come from, this is what I often refer to as "mean mechanics". They are difficult, or impossible to understand on the first go, and you often even HAVE to get them explained. They often thrive on your lack of knowledge of the mechanic, and I don't think it is very well designed for "normal difficulty content", as this type of content is usually meant to be beaten in one go, and not over multiple attempts, like Extremes or harder typically are designed for. I think part of the problem with circling back and adding voice lines to the older parts of the game, especially ARR, is that they changed voice actor agency, or something like that, from ARR to Heavensward and onward. Which means they won't really have access to the original voice actors, which would make those voice lines seem exceptionally strange.

@CallMeTeci

3 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh The switch only happened for the EN voices and i dont see an issue with redoing them completely. Its not like they voiced a lot in ARR in the first place. Also a social MMO? Who said that? In fact its actually crazy how often FFXIV is named whenever people ask for Solo MMOs and im really wondering why dafuq that is. Also if that were the case, why did they add more and more (tho bad) options to play solo with NPCs? Which imo should in fact be implemented much more consequently, because they would fix major issues with the "Chosen One" narrative, with the excessive queue times for some of the mandatory dungeons and bosses AND could be utilized as actual tutorials for new players. Tho why they have three of those systems that are bad instead of one that is well implemented... well i guess thats just more of the japanese development bullshittery. Dont question, dont ask - just put another bandaid on the bandaid and call it fixed. Honestly i yet have to see a single system in this game that feels consequently implemented and with some thought in mind. Oh wait... there is one - the overabundant use of lightflashes in attacks and skilleffects, because apparently they they choose to have less visual diversity between spells than a 50 dollar premade Unreal Spell pack. But hey, at least they give the lightflashes different colors here and there. Wooohoo! Its literally the fourth time im trying this game out (the first time was when Stormblood came out), straight went into the noobtrap of having to pay subs permanently whenever i want to play, after just buying the starting pack and since then they barely did anything to improve this game and especially the onboarding experience with ARR. Is there anything i can do to make this thing enjoyable to at least find out if the story is worth anything? At least that is what most people praise about this game. (hence why i think it should be made more solo friendly)

wrong with the dice and pyretic mechanic. autoattacking doesnt punish you . its the first time in my two years i have heard that lol i never got punished just for auto attacking .

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

I am very confident it does punish you for auto attacking 😊 I am sure I have seen people get diced from auto attacking. And those auto attacking during pyretic still take damage. But if they do nothing else it would certainly be a lot less than if they did a lot of things 😊 But I mightve seen it wrong. Still, I wouldn't risk auto attacking despite that. 😅

@ZelosSama

10 ай бұрын

@@CaetsuChaijiCh its really weird. you are right, the more i search they all say that auto attack punishes you , but i played for more than tw years, never sheathed ,,untarget or the likes and i never got punish from doing it. .... i feel like my life was a lie i don't get it lol

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

@ZelosSama don't worry about it! For the dice mechanic, you'd have to be auto attacking in a super specific moment, and the pyretic mechanics sometimes are shorter than some weapons swing timers, so it is perfectly possible you just never saw it happen! 😊

Rubbish, thanks for nothing, the bosses are overpowered.there's one move, you can not, Dodge can not avoid it's where the enemy locks on to you and one shots you not avoidable and not easy when you're with npc's who will not revive you

Chase markers. I remember running towards my party the first time I got one of those, causing my FC leader to scream like a little girl and dash away from me. XD

@CaetsuChaijiCh

10 ай бұрын

Hahaha oh dear 🤣 I can almost picture it! A great suggestion!