It's nuts the amount of details that are in racing sims now. If someone was asleep since 1999 and woke up today to see this, their head would explode

@wrzl1675

3 жыл бұрын

Not really. I played GT on PS1,2 extensively before getting out of gaming completely until a few months ago when I bought a PS5. People put far too much emphasis on graphics, if you’re watching shadows, trees and people in the grandstands you’ll get smoked and who gives a crap about replays.

@overratedyamaha7434

3 жыл бұрын

@@wrzl1675 yeah lmao

@lawyerlawyer1215

3 жыл бұрын

@@wrzl1675 yeah fuck progress , why move forward , let’s play 1999 graphics in 2021 , in fact quit fucking moving forward , let’s just replay old games over and over... How stupid can humans get...

@benjaminhigham3624

3 жыл бұрын

@@lawyerlawyer1215 he is talking about stuff that matters in a racing game such as actually good physics. If you have played Forza 7 you should know that it isn't even close to a simulator

@lawyerlawyer1215

3 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminhigham3624 if Someone is appreciating how beautiful the city of Dubrovnik is , and someone else goes and says , any German city is more beautiful, and i come and say wtf that’s just not true , the landscape , the weather, the physical place where the city is etc... wouldn’t it be stupid for you to come and say , you are wrong , Germany has a stronger economy and better politics . Because you pretty much , just did that , bringing physics and driving dinámics , into what clearly was graphical argument. And by the way, yes I play forza 7 , and with all the aids off , I find it to be a Simcade , not a simulator, but DEFINITELY not an arcade game like nfs , driveclub , the crew etc

Start your engines people because it’s going to be toxic in here.

@NickthaGeek

6 жыл бұрын

sickamore007 yeeeeeehhhhaaaa bring some fish and chips with you. Plenty of salt available

@rajasvlogs2061

6 жыл бұрын

Of course, all comments down below are going to be toxic

@msab4883

6 жыл бұрын

CTR > Mk64

@GameslordXY

6 жыл бұрын

Mone Sabri F Zero X>Wipeout

@johnben2862

6 жыл бұрын

LOL its gonna be lit in this comment section to see all the salty ps4 fanboys cry XD

That they pulled this off 2½ years ago on a console is unbelievable.

@brutalschel

4 жыл бұрын

I love my Forza 7, but I still think GT2 looks great. Lol. Nostalgia is incredible.

@miks564

4 жыл бұрын

Many people forget consoles are nothing but computers themselves. ...and more important than that, computers fine tuned for gaming. For instance, the original PS4 is from 2013 but it offered already an 8 core CPU, a number of cores many people still don't have on their PCs today ...and also 8 GB of DDR5 RAM, a feature that the vast majority of computers still don't have today -- several years later.

@bigslatt708

4 жыл бұрын

@@miks564 yep Remember it has the best graphics

@santiagoroching.5703

4 жыл бұрын

Mik S you forgot that the achitecture that amd used in the ps4 and xbox one sucks,even if they were 8-core cpu,their design made it perform worse than a 4 core cpu. Also the PS4 cpu is clocked at 1.6ghz and the xbox one was clocked at 1.75ghz,thats why many games runned at 30fps due to the bad cpu

@ACochrane

4 жыл бұрын

@@miks564 An 8 core that's worse than a dual core i3 of the era

I'm a Forza fan but here I find GT Sports lighting and color to provide such an amount of pop without going overboard that I might actually lean towards GT Sport here.

@MasDouc

2 жыл бұрын

GT Sport is such fantastic driving game overall.

@geethadevibhavani9104

2 жыл бұрын

@BlackholeTtson452 did ya see the state of play?

@geethadevibhavani9104

2 жыл бұрын

@BlackholeTtson452 hopefully it looks and plays ok in the Ps4 as well

@geethadevibhavani9104

2 жыл бұрын

@BlackholeTtson452 youre lucky you were able to snag a ps5

@geethadevibhavani9104

2 жыл бұрын

@BlackholeTtson452 the career, then museum, then the music rally

Cars in GT have more details than my car in real life.

@dormouse02

5 жыл бұрын

:)

@marjannikolovski4687

4 жыл бұрын

:))))) cool

@chadjackson4786

4 жыл бұрын

yes all 10 of them, to drive on 5 tracks...gt sport is trash. gt7 needs 1000+ cars, track creator, full car customization if not the ability to create your own car, used cars, full damage model comparable to beamNG, red rock valley, and single player career mode or polyphony wont see a dime from me

@chadjackson4786

4 жыл бұрын

@woerink 103 cars is nothing

@arckanum332

4 жыл бұрын

Your car is probably a 89 Honda Civic

Both these games are awesome, the rivalry is something I love as it has pushed each series further, each wanting to best the other.

@PremierLeagueProductions

6 жыл бұрын

SpinCycle here here. Well said

@getthiswork82

6 жыл бұрын

SpinCycle i agree, competition is always a good thing! both of these games look great.

@OG.Pancho.Villa.

6 жыл бұрын

Polyphony getting smashed by turn 10

@cahan7033

6 жыл бұрын

SpinCycle There is no rivalry though, GT Sport has a 75 on Metacritic versus Forza 7's 87. Forza has been consistently getting praise every year whereas GT hasnt released a solid game in almost 10 years

@mikeford4817

6 жыл бұрын

Dislexic Potato I would say that GT Sport is a solid game, but it is now in its own category with its emphasis on multiplayer. It’s like saying games like overwatch are poor because they lack story-driven single player. However, I understand the frustration with many dedicated fans because of a lack of content with such a long development cycle.

I've loved Gran Turismo from the very beginning, it helped cultivate my love affair with cars that still exists today. Can't wait to get my hands on GT7 for the PS5

@hammadwaheed9885

4 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@JesusGarcia-wh2hc

4 жыл бұрын

I've played every GT game to date, but always with a regular controller and in a casual way. So I recently started playing GT Sports with a driving seat, a steering wheel and a 4K TV... holy sh*t, it was one of the best gaming experiences I've had in years. I can't wait for GT7. It's the reason I'm getting a PS5.

@eliasraspail3650

4 жыл бұрын

@@JesusGarcia-wh2hc Man GT7 is going to be dope

@brownchair2698

4 жыл бұрын

@@eliasraspail3650 Man. So is Forza Motorsport 8.

@Slappaccino

2 жыл бұрын

Only a few more months now.

7:01 - anyone else noticed that Edge Line is floating over asphalt producing some funny parallax ?

@Matt0

4 жыл бұрын

I see it now!

@SayakMajumder

4 жыл бұрын

Yea, seemed odd to me at first.

@Kolyasisan

4 жыл бұрын

Bet it was done to deal with Z-Fighting. It's pretty standard to separate objects in such a way, thus you can have tiling textures on the road alongside the painted lines to author more efficient textures.

@prezire

4 жыл бұрын

woaahhh good eyes you got there

@sebastianvanderwolf6500

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I also noticed. Little weird

Goddamn are GT Sport's lighting effects absolutely gorgeous. The shadow pop in annoys the crap out of me but the night levels are truly something else entirely.

@zannrebel1217

5 жыл бұрын

@Money-Gucci-Bitches Not forza horizon

@iv4n1989

4 жыл бұрын

Yup gt looks way better than forza and even with less resolution as the xbox one x

@zannrebel1217

4 жыл бұрын

@@iv4n1989 As I said not forza horizon

@zannrebel1217

4 жыл бұрын

@Money-Gucci-Bitches I'm waiting fanboy

@zannrebel1217

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't even look better than FH3

also GT Sport shines with HDR, those headlights during night races are a sight to behold!

The replays in gt sport make me remember why I love racing games

I used to play Forza a long time ago and I really like the game but the the graphics, physics, and overall detail of Gran Turismo is incredible.

@danielcpierrem

Жыл бұрын

Gran Turismo phisics effects is ridiculous, it´s look like a toy remote control car. And all the rest, Forza Motorsport 7 is better, includes dinamic wheather and more. GT Sport not was have rain for years, only include rain after with an update. GT Sport only have about 200 cars, FM7 have more than 700. ✌😏👍

@thomas751

Жыл бұрын

@@danielcpierremForza’s car list only helps prove it’s focus on quantity over quality. GranTurismo 5 had 1089 cars, but now focuses on what really matters in a racing game. the gameplay above shows just how bland Forza is. it has no structure. Forza is most known for it’s horrible online races, it’s exactly why Forza Esports failed. it offers nothing for players nor spectators. GranTurismo is an Esports legend because it focuses on making a better racing experience. from an Offical sponsorship with Tag Heuer to Offical Esports championships for the FIA. None of that is present in Forza. Nobody watched Forza Esports players ram it out with awful camera angles and no race strategies. it failed miserably lmfao

@danielcpierrem

Жыл бұрын

@@thomas751, you talked about 1089 cars on Grande Turismo 5, horrível models and textures... This point don't have any relation with another game, Forza Motorsport 7... And the aspects that i mencionated here, Forza Motorsport 7 is better than Gran Turismo 7, that's a fact! ✌️😎👍

@danielcpierrem

Жыл бұрын

@@thomas751, and FIA is just a marketing, only for register records and compares to F1 racing series... By the way, Gran Turismo has lost the "FIA certification" by Asseto Corsa... Sorry dude, you failed miserably again... 😂😂😂

@thomas751

Жыл бұрын

@@danielcpierrem wait what aspects exactly? dynamic weather and rain? LMFAO is that what you think makes a racing game? Forza Motorsport 4 released a whole year after Gran Turismo 5, with less than half the amount of cars. which funny enough has always lacked detail compared to Gran Turismo. gameplay shown clearly proves that… Forza only has a bigger car list now because Gran Turismo cares more for a far better racing experience lmfao

I love my Forza, but GT sport is a beautiful game. The color on the cars really do pop and the camera work on the replays look great.

@GraveUypo

6 жыл бұрын

replays in forza have always been disgusting. it's a constant juggle between camera angles that make no sense and stay on screen for too short. i wish they worked on that. but hey, it's not something easily marketable so turn10 doesn't give a fuck.

@rodmunch69

6 жыл бұрын

I have both an XB1X and a PS4 Pro and for that matter a gaming PC and I have Forza 7 and had, up until GT Sport, bought every single GT title they've released on day 1 - and after playing the GT demo I will say the replays and cut scenes are amazing looking, but the gameplay in GT is very very dull, in that it's clearly high resolution, but it's plasticity and looks fake when you're moving - and it also looks lifeless in motion. Those replays and cutscenes are not what the game actually looks like when you're moving. Also GT Sport has terrible cameras - like the angle on all of them is off, you're either too high, or too low, or too far back. Finally the other issue is GT Sport is an incredibly limited game that isn't worth of the Gran Turismo name, it's e-sport garbage, has a very limited number of cars, no career, no car upgrades, it's just not worthy of the GT name. Forza 7 is a much better game and in motion on the PC and the XB1X, it looks better since it looks more life like, there's just more going on and it looks less fake, even if it's not quite as pretty in still shots. I own both systems and up until GT Sport I'd have called myself a GT fanboy more than anything else, but Forza 7 is a proper full game, while GT Sport has gotten very mediocre reviews and so far bombed as far as sales go. I hope Sony kills the idea of any more "sport" garbage in the future and makes a proper GT7 with everything we expect from a GT title.

@WarpPal

4 жыл бұрын

Rod Munch Its been 2 years so is your opinion still the same?

@MLD2G

4 жыл бұрын

@@rodmunch69 In response to your last sentence. You got your wish!

@D_LGND

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodmunch69 I think the racing in GT Sport is fun

As a Forza fan I have to say the lighting in GT is way better which gives it overall a more realistic look

@cyclonusthedecepticon854

6 жыл бұрын

Apex Predator Forza Fun?

@Boogie7910

6 жыл бұрын

Cyclonus the Decepticon typo

@cyclonusthedecepticon854

6 жыл бұрын

Apex Predator good thing you changed it.

@muysli.y1855

6 жыл бұрын

Apex Predator true for me Forza= more content, dynamic weather, less detail. GT= more Detail, fair online feature, less content.

@HugoStiglitz88

6 жыл бұрын

True. Lighting is very important. Photorealistic graphics isn't achieved through textures, models, or color palette but LIGHTING. Above all else.

Watching my replays on GT always brings smile to my face.

GT Sports is incredible. Driveclub still has the best weather effect for any game. no game come close to that amazing weather effect.

@user-oh4ky7rv5i

4 жыл бұрын

GamE FrEak love to play dc in rain

@illmatic826

4 жыл бұрын

DriveClub is in a class if it’s own lol

@MrMarbles

4 жыл бұрын

DC lacks hdr

@limpis2823

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrMarbles the only good thing about drive lab was the graphics

@bigslatt708

4 жыл бұрын

Gt sport on a pro beats dc..

If GT sports had a PC version running on Ultra 4k . I would never leave my room ever again.

@o_KingOfKings_o

4 жыл бұрын

MikeShotta driveclub is the true king sad the gameplay is trash

@ms7820

4 жыл бұрын

Wait for ps5

@zerotofifty

4 жыл бұрын

@@o_KingOfKings_o In case you're wondering, the biggest reason for Driveclub's beauty is the scenery. In open world games, usually the scenery is a part of the map so everything has to be drivable and interactable, in (arcade) simulators like Forza 7 and GTS everything is directly taken from the real life and racing tracks doesn't look that beautiful. I don't hate DC nor I disregard their effort but what they did is no magic. Look at some old arcade games without open worlds and see how great they look even today.

@joaquingonzalez834

4 жыл бұрын

its insane to think this game runs on a launch ps4

@joaquingonzalez834

4 жыл бұрын

for me, my original ps4 runs it at 2k60, atleast on my tv

The car detail in GT Sport is just delicious!

@federicoarieldominguez104

6 жыл бұрын

Did you ate those cars, Nathan?

@LirfYT

6 жыл бұрын

Floatzelot Enyx eat

@federicoarieldominguez104

6 жыл бұрын

Should I say "Eat" instead of "Ate"? My mistake.

@glumOr

6 жыл бұрын

according to his profile picture yes.

@user-is2mj2ig4v

6 жыл бұрын

You said it right this guy is just uneducated

20:49 it look so real, look like it was recorded with a gopro IRL. Wow.

@EthanBradburyVlogs

5 жыл бұрын

Lol

@jamiedavinci1328

5 жыл бұрын

'Looks like a GoPro recorded it' isn't exactly a compliment haha

@giu_s_3124

3 жыл бұрын

Ehm... No

@azl5044

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamiedavinci1328 Well I think the lower resolution helps the immersion.

@user-oq6tq3qs5k

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like something from 2008

This is a comparison I actually like. Whenever I see those videos of a lap on the same track same car across 2 or 3 different games without much else is annoying. This takes more time and actually looks into details and a real person explains it thoroughly. Good job 👍

Digital foundry is the only channel where I press the like button as soon as video starts, keep up the good work of providing detailed analysis.

@notaghost7103

6 жыл бұрын

Only if it's john narrating

@AKSBSU

6 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately their videos trigger portals to the 9th circle of hell in the comment sections.

@blue8935

6 жыл бұрын

AKSBSU LMAO

Forza 7 is built on better hardware (in this case, benefits from PC specs). BUT - the guys in Polyphony Digital are just better artists. There is more to realism than just having better textures and details in individual objects in the game. It's the overall balance that matters, and the graphics team of GT Sport captures that balance much better, especially in terms of the lighting. It's much like the Jurassic Park films. The first Jurassic Park was made with far less tech than Jurassic World, but Jurassic Park 1 looks far more believable than Jurassic World. Artistry will always beat tech.

@JC-li8kk

6 жыл бұрын

I think it comes down to making tough decisions and maybe GT made better tough decisions. This guy did a good job comparing the pros and cons of each decision made. Forza decided to make more cars, more tracks, more driving gear, and don’t forget rain. Forza might be a more complete game in terms of content while GT focused more on quality.

@robertsommerseth3063

6 жыл бұрын

better hw, shitty half ass coding from microcock, never again

@ALPHAHXCORE

6 жыл бұрын

I thought that the overall balance is worse in GT sport, while individual details are better.

@haloepic3092

6 жыл бұрын

leadlefthand gameplay over graphics

@Harmonic14

6 жыл бұрын

"Feels like you drive so slow" Good god, you've clearly never driven on a real track... Your entire vision doesn't contract Parkinson's in real life like it does in Forza with camera motion effects on.

20:44 that looked real at first

@jolandadekwaadsteniet7246

3 жыл бұрын

S..t ....you right!!!!

I totally agree about GT replay quality! I find myself watching replays of my race all the time just in awe of the quality and camera work. It’s just amazing and I fooled my dad into believing it was a real race happening on live tv! Especially great when racing with the Bugatti Chiron!

@the-boring-car-guy

4 жыл бұрын

brad maxwell there is no Chiron...

@D_LGND

3 жыл бұрын

S G I think he meant the VGT lol

I think you forgot the most critical issue - Handling. I am a retired Professional TransAM series driver. My driving race car days are behind me. However I enjoy driving racing games. I have owned every platform and tried every driving game out there even ones with paid monthly subscriptions and for me ONLY ONE DRIVING GAME works and that is Gran Turismo. GT cars handle like real race cars. Changes made to GT setup handle like real race cars. As a former SCCA Driving instructor and SCCA professional racer that is where my vote goes to GT. You never once mentioned driving feel and dynamics. But then as a gamer - you might have no clue.

@lucastekkan

5 жыл бұрын

Respect dude

@videoracingvhs

5 жыл бұрын

Did you really try iRacing, Raceroom, rfactor 2, Assetto Corsa...? GT Physics looks like Need for speed ones in comparison to any of them. GT cars just pivot on a central axe. Not to talk even about grip, collision or tyre physics.

@lucastekkan

5 жыл бұрын

@@videoracingvhs man rfactor is the shit, i remember racking upt to 500h on that game, all those championships that ive competed with my old g25.

@JC-dz5ur

5 жыл бұрын

So what part of "Just how do Gran Turismo Sport and Forza Motorsport 7 compare graphically?" and Tech Analysis are hard to understand? I lol'ed at the "You never once mentioned driving feel and dynamics" part.

@upload2137

5 жыл бұрын

@@videoracingvhs gt is the clostest to real life racer game out there try it yourself or ask a racer who played gt

biggest thing about forza, it's way too fucking dark, as an owner of forza 7.

@bro6647

6 жыл бұрын

AMGV Media turn up your brightness?

@FM4AMGV

6 жыл бұрын

Hola My G no it's just the sky is cloudy and just makes everything dim. Turning brightness up would make some things to bright

@midnightjacket9622

6 жыл бұрын

I don't own either game, but based on these vids I was going to say the opposite. GT is way too bright and ultra shiny, makes the colors look cartoony.

@FM4AMGV

6 жыл бұрын

MidnightJacket i can see the argument, but sunny days on most of these tracks are really bright. Forza car interiors have always been especially dim. Really wish t10 would stop making the game look unrealistic

@amajesticpig1859

6 жыл бұрын

The issue I have in FM7 is when you set the condition of the track to day it’s either sunny or cloudy and you can’t choose. For example I was racing a huayra BC set on day on suzuka and when I restart the race and took a Zonda R, suzuka was all happy and sunny

I think on a personal level, that GT takes the cake for looks, being a developer myself, it makes sense why thy went the routes they chose. Each use different Engines to build, and that does make a difference on what you are capable of doing. Both look wonderful but i feel Forza is too "flat" in a side by side comparison.

@The3DSMaxinator

4 жыл бұрын

I hear what your saying. I think that Forza cars look like 3D models compared to GTS.

@AidenYSaunders

2 жыл бұрын

@@The3DSMaxinator FYI, Forza never updates their car model, they use the same model from the very first Forza Motorsport, even the Horizon title does the same. I mean, they did the cars and engine sounds wrong. Forza S15's roof is somehow taller than the actual car, the M3 E30's roof pillars are square unlike in GT, and in FH5 the M3 E46 sounds like a Z33 like wtf??

Watching your race in replay is what got me in to Gran Tourismo. It's just beautiful to watch.

Lets all show some drivers etiquette huh?

@cesa97

6 жыл бұрын

>tfw when you get rammed off the road and you get a penalty instead of the other person

@cosmicgamingunlimited

6 жыл бұрын

#1 reason I stopped playing the Forza Series. That damn AI system they use. It tracks players and uploads it to the cloud. Then those bad driving habits get translated to the single player for other people. So AI would crash into you. I think they eventually added an option to turn off "aggressive" driving by AI, but it was to little to late for me.

@Harvester88

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Forza Motorsport 7 is gorgeous but I made Microsoft refund me for that one. I bought it on pc and was fed up after a few hours.

@abhibhattacharyya3168

6 жыл бұрын

Solid Shepard a

@Harmonic14

6 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you guys are bad at the game lel

Been a PC gamer for 20 years and i haven't own a PS or XBOX but i have to say GT does look awesome

@SiMo_OfficiaI

6 жыл бұрын

GT would look even better on PC.. the quality of shadows, reflections and textures could go so much higher... (I'm guessing they're limited by the performance on console)

@lakestl5000

6 жыл бұрын

Been seeing a lot of pc gamers do this, even the KZread simracers, respect

@christopherwalkinalloverya5824

6 жыл бұрын

Except the low res shadows and soupy trackside textures..

@wanted247ha8

6 жыл бұрын

D Smoov yeah because we all know how much time you spend racing on the side of the track, or in the trees....

@wanted247ha8

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the unbiased and non-condescending comment.

Also, the drifting on GT Sport is fucking BEAUTIFUL, GORGEOUS🔥

I grew up playing Gran Turismo. When Forza 2 was released for the Xbox, I was a loyal Forza fan for about 5 years. I just recently went back to GT Sport and I’ve never played a game so well crafted and tailored for serious sim racers. I’ve never driven a real GT racecar. The physics on GT seem to make more sense to me and seems to me to be as close as you can get to driving the real thing (not knowing what iRacing physics are like) but I’m going to play what Lewis Hamilton, and other real life drivers play if I want to experience the closest thing to real life.

@fabiaf3814

4 жыл бұрын

I like playing both games next to Iracing and R3E, gt more serious with a steering wheel, Forza with controller when I want a chilled cool campaign. The phyiscs in both games aren't that realistic compared to real racing sims, GT maybe being closer to the real deal, but none of both tries to go deep into physics like chassis flex, rubber marbles and so on. GT has the perfect online mode while Forza has a shitton of content, if you want the most realistic experience I'd suggest IRacing in VR, but for this you need a potent PC and VR glasses. Edit: Oh yeah and an Iracing subscription with tracks and cars which only costs like 40 Million Dollar

@Dukey39

4 жыл бұрын

ACC, RF2 and AMS2 streets ahead on the PC..

@joaquingonzalez834

4 жыл бұрын

they call it the real driving simulator, just get a car and drive, no advanced and complicated bullshit

@spiyder

4 жыл бұрын

i also grew up on gran turismo, gt5 to be exact. i have an xbox one x and forza horizon 4. but on the other hand i have a ps3 with a playstation wheel. also i have no xbox wheel. so yea

@bratosin1

3 жыл бұрын

@@joaquingonzalez834 true, but u will never be able to drive 2.million dollars cars , and famous tracks like suzuka ,monza , etc

Your forgot to talk about how Forza has no pitting animation, whereas GT Sport has full pitting animations, and is quick.

@Temuho

6 жыл бұрын

i dont forget about IA

@kamikaze_kami1198

4 жыл бұрын

I just remembered, every time I play GT Sport I realize I don’t see any other car in the pit stops, it’s like once they hit that line, they disappear, but still GT Sport is glorious, that’s what made me love it

@shifty2755

3 жыл бұрын

Forza is for salty kids thats why.

This is a monster of comparison! Great work digital foundry! Both are beatiful games!

Impressive work John, You nailed every title with total scope & did squeeze every bit of positivity in each one, Keep up the good work

looking back at these gorgeous footage after playing the mobile game project cars 3...

@rawrzqi

3 жыл бұрын

lmao

@thiago1stwin867

3 жыл бұрын

project cars 3 have plastic cars

Both GT and Forza are very good games, but GT shows super astonishing graphics! I would add to the video how close to reality driving feels/sounds...

@milk6765

2 жыл бұрын

The graphics on Forza are better

@jurgimacho5929

2 жыл бұрын

@@milk6765 did u even watch the video lol

@milk6765

2 жыл бұрын

@@jurgimacho5929 lmao yeah but what does that have to do with the fact Forza has better graphics

Lighting and overall atmosphere of GT wins it for me in terms of visuals.

@pineappleracing6547

5 жыл бұрын

I don't care about the graphics since they look ok if the game came after 2011. They are completely same and better graphics will never make a racing game better. If you don't believe me you can look at iracing. Also I prefer gt sport to forza

I love seeing comparisons between racing games because it’s fascinating to see the wildly-different approaches that two different teams take to try and reach basically the same goal. Art direction is less of a concern when both games are modelling the same cars, the same tracks, and the same art goal (photo realism) so the differences come down to the philosophy of each developer.

One of the best side by side comparisons I've ever seen. Thank you.

Gran turismo looks insane specially with HDR gorgeous looking game

I'm buying GT sport... I adore the details. Much respect to the developers on GT

@TheFurryInShambles

5 жыл бұрын

You just appreciate hard work and that is something most people do not have today sadly.

I love Gran Turismo Sport and generally prefer it over Forza, but I do miss the absolutely insane arcade mode with thousands of cars that games like Gran Turismo 4/5/6 had.

@TheWonderwiess

5 жыл бұрын

Hopefully gt7 will bring that back... sport is nothing more than a prologue entry, they just just didn't wanna call it GT Prologue 3: Sport edition

@aenoofficial

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheWonderwiess Sport is not a prologue. There's no reason you could see it that way.

@MyKeno18

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheWonderwiess Definitely couldn't agree more.

@MyKeno18

5 жыл бұрын

@@aenoofficial 100% prologue

Man I love both. Each have their differences that make them special.

@kurayamik1

3 жыл бұрын

100% agree

@geethadevibhavani9104

2 жыл бұрын

Imo, forza is more action focused while gt sport has a classy vibe

It will be interesting to see how these two devs utilize ray tracing in their future titles now that real-time light rendering is going to be available. A lot of the shadow, reflection, and lighting issues can be eliminated with RTX, which should be in its prime by the time the next GT and Forza titles hit the market.

@tosehoed123

3 жыл бұрын

They are using ray tracing in gt sport

@jammeslive4050

2 жыл бұрын

@@tosehoed123 no they aren't the PS4 and Xbox One don't support ray tracing at all.

@Sleepy_Moon84

2 жыл бұрын

@@jammeslive4050 Polyphony isn't using Raytracing in GT7 while racing, because it's impractical due to the fact no one's going to notice the actual ray tracing in the environment. But they're going to turn Raytracing on....during replays and menus? Menus make sense, but why in replays when it's off during driving? That makes no sense at all.

@nobodywillcare2

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sleepy_Moon84 because a replay is a highlight reel so it would make sense to make them look better with RT

@FarmYardGaming

Жыл бұрын

^ And now FM8 will be using it in gameplay itself

Damn I'm starting to think lootcrate 7 lost this one

@enclavesoldier3209

6 жыл бұрын

Levonte King lol rpm at work lol jk....... gt sport looks Incredible

7:03 You can see the side line hovering over the asphalt.

@ShadyPaperclips

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that threw me off for a second 🤣

GT does clearly have the best gfx in 90% of the tests even though Forza runs at a higher resolution. So it basically depends if you want the best graphics or more cars and tracks, why not both?

@zacdawack

3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion i think the graphics are the least of Sony and Poly's concerns when it comes to the GT Series. If you compare Gt5, 6, and Sport you don't see much of a difference. It's all down to the real racing gameplay and physics.

Without Question........ Absolutely the Best Introduction EVER on a Digital Foundry video. Legendary coverage. Thank you John and the DF Team. Microsoft Has the Content, Sony has the Graphics. Both Exceptional Games Period. Doesn't Matter what System you own or game you Love, We All Win.

@wendyclaessens7077

6 жыл бұрын

Ryan Hall finally a person that realizes that both games are amazing Thanks you made me day

I hope everyone has a fun time with either game you decide to pick :D

@robertsommerseth3063

6 жыл бұрын

i wish i did, nothing but a frustration with fm7 from technical pov, started with memory leak to still to date unfixable random ctd, i blame cancerous winstore, gts on the other hand nothing but a great experience overall, except for some atrocious engine sounds

@bradstercivic

6 жыл бұрын

Nothing like a fun online Forza 7 match where it isn’t even racing it’s a demolition derby

@vetlerradio

6 жыл бұрын

For me, I have more pleasure driving in Forza, but the complete package that Gran Turismo 4 once offered was really appealing. I really don't know about the new entries in the series.

@samuelcamarillo1349

5 жыл бұрын

Qué sorpresa encontrarte acá.

@upload2137

5 жыл бұрын

@@vetlerradio i will tell u if u like simulation gt sport is for you but complete package no.. gt5 and gt6 were great but gt sport lacks in content which isnt suprising because its supposed to be a online sim like real life but i dont like it that much and will wait for gt7

Wow, this is the most objective video game comparison video I've ever seen. You clearly know your stuff.

the wording and pacing of descriptions in this review are beautifully crafted.

Thank you, that was a great comparison video, truly one of the best I've seen for any games.

GT looks really nice. But it's still missing things like dynamic weather, dynamic day and night cycle, realistic wear and tear, crash physics and damage sounds, etc. It requires more updates to truly be a driving simulator.

This video is AMAZING! great detailed work! Wow. Really makes you appreciate these games!

"how about this windshield fluid nozzle" - this is when I realized how futile it is to compare graphics at this point. Both games look amazing.

Speaking of visuals only, Forza is definitely impressive but its no match to the overall appearance of Gran Turismo, its insane how realistic it looks. The way the cars react to the lighting is pure glory.

I have grand turismo and it's awesome, better than I expected

5:45 I can't believe someone signed off on the Forza model and thought that was close enough.

@the-boring-car-guy

4 жыл бұрын

ainchamama Even as a GT sports fan you must give them credit. To get the detail level of GT with the number of cars they have in Forza, it would just take too long. This is where they cut corners

@ShadyPaperclips

3 жыл бұрын

@@the-boring-car-guy yep, but I think that's not the issue tho. Most of the time models used in game almost always have higher quality than when implemented into the game. It's probably cut back to improve performance

Gran turismo will always be my favourite when it comes to realism and graphics

@BATMANIN

3 жыл бұрын

Gran Turismo is the best racing game for me. I have GT racing videos (PS5) on my channel

@left4deadR

2 жыл бұрын

No gameplay lamo

Excellent video! I was hoping to pick up F7 with my X but i think i will pick up GTS instead.

Dont you disappoint me comment section, i want to see some toxic, salty comments.

@LirfYT

6 жыл бұрын

leonthesleepy you will you will

@Reinboa

6 жыл бұрын

You got it dad

@TayTheDay

6 жыл бұрын

Dumpster chow mein

Gran Turismo is so better

I love them both, but I started on grand turismo back in the day. Gran turismo 4 is master race.

@Matt0

4 жыл бұрын

3 and 4

@levengeurmasquedesabbysses6060

4 жыл бұрын

Of course me too 3 and 4 the best

@brutalschel

4 жыл бұрын

GT2 for me. What a classic!

@qpSubZeroqp

4 жыл бұрын

I have played all Grand Turismos except for sport (since I haven't gotten the chance to get a PS4 yet) and I've had so much fun throughout the years on all of them

@d3nGu3

3 жыл бұрын

I just more or less "completed" GT4 again after "just checking out how those emulator thingies work" - this game is so damn good. Sure we can take GT3 into it because 4 was GT3+, the same as GT1 and 2 were. Forza Motorsport on the other hand is great at first glance but for me it quickly started to fall apart, it lacks the soul of the Polyphony games and it feels lackluster when you dive deep into the game. The cars look great and the tracks are awesome, everything else is done without soul. Turn 10 placed some really weird textures like roadsigns. At Nürburgring In the middle of Döttinger Höhe there is a sign on the left that just has some random shit written on it. On swiss alps there is a post with two direction signs on it, one to the left the other to the right. Both have written "Zentrum" on it, which means "center" - i am sure you find more than those two examples in the game. I am aware that this is very very nit-picky but it would never ever happen on a GT game, the attention to detail Polyphony puts into their games is astonishing!

"Tech analysis on a car game" doesn't mention sound.

@korbenwilkinson8767

3 жыл бұрын

Think gt sport would win there

Gran Turismo 3 A-spec is my favorite racing game EVER, even to this day ...

@RainySouthBend

4 жыл бұрын

funkyflights banger

Im impressed how many work You put into this video!

I hate how on forza the cam is so shaky and the car turns away from your pov. If it was just a little more stable id love it

@brealll9647

3 жыл бұрын

You can turn the shaky cam off

I'd say both great looking game but i'll give edge to GT Sport.

@joethehitman4479

6 жыл бұрын

Sameer Behera i feel over the entire life time of both franchises, GT always had the slight edge to visual realism especially the replays, but Foza has always been the better over all game. I enjoy both.

@LuminusMilo

6 жыл бұрын

why don you turn off the internet to see what happens.

@joethehitman4479

6 жыл бұрын

Adriana Ruiz It all depends on hiw you look at it for me. For example if you just a car entusiast and want to immediately jump in and create sick tunes ans skins for you car with stellar physics and online play. Then Forza is that game, the car enthusiast game. GT is for a more tradional linear driving experience, or simulation, in that case it is more sim than Forza too* offer more enjoyment in campaign. Both great yet different racers. Which ever one prefers thats cool. Me i love and enjoyed both franchises for the past 2 decades day one. GT 3 A-Spec is still goat in my heart.

@edwinbrown3913

6 жыл бұрын

Only on the visualsame and that's about it.

@MobileMasterTech

6 жыл бұрын

GT sport has some amazing shadow and lighting as well as detail. Forza 7 also has amazing detail, higher resolution, dynamic weather. Both look great and I wouldn't mind playing either one.

From overall presentation, I say GT Sport.

@budnickcinema

6 жыл бұрын

gtone339 No way, Forza has 8 times more cars and way more tracks

@satrianugraha3987

6 жыл бұрын

+4Nick3 they released more tracks and cars in the updates

@SammyJoee

6 жыл бұрын

GT always felt like the car too gluey and sticky , I owned and played GT5 and then moved to Forza and never looked back since .

@tacoengineer6660

6 жыл бұрын

محمد زعبي Yes that was GT5 and GT5 had worst physics. The physics were improved since GT6 and are even better now. They are currently better in GTS than in Forza

@Swivel01

6 жыл бұрын

XBOXRULES well have fun with your lazy "pit stop"

of course GT would have the right hand version polyphony digital is in japan

Coming to check this after watching the GT7 trailer

Why forza looks so dim like it was always night time? It looked the same in the demo i played.

Really enjoyed the comparison but also the technical insight into how they work. I'm a Forza guy but pretty jealous of the lighting model/simulation on GT. The headlights and brake lights at night are amazing imo

@DennisFang1

6 жыл бұрын

Curtis Riceman whoa, lets welcome this Forza fan warmly to the prospect of being a Gran Turismo fan with kindness!

@MykiBamBam

6 жыл бұрын

I think GT looks great...no trolling from me. Not fussed whether the weather is fixed or dynamic either!

@michaeltenbroeck1807

6 жыл бұрын

Mike Bamford the brake particles are neat. The car reflection mapping is a hack. Like the real shadows, don't like fixed time of day in GTS. Forza has many more features, I imagine TURN 10 had to make more tough decisions on how to fit them all in without killing frame rate.

I own both. Have been playing extensively GTSport on PS4 Pro and Forza 7 on One X. In short, there is no match. GTSport provides always the best audio-visual experience. And the big difference is in the lighting and the detailing. Look at the transitions between tarmac and grass, in GT are shown as "natural", in Forza are a straight line with two different texures. Look at the effect of the car passing over a sand trap, moving millions of gravel particles realistically. Then do the same thing in Forza and passing over a sand trap is like passing over concrete painted with a sand texture. These are only two examples of many other similar differences. One game looks like hand crafted in everything, while the other uses a lot of predefined assets. And the result is evident. Next Forza should cut (or reduce) quantity and focus on quality and detail. Same should also do DF in their reviews.

@wordsshackles441

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with everything you said.

@SrPereira64

2 жыл бұрын

GT Sports best audio visual HahahahahhahahaHhahahahahahhaha

@ralph3555

2 жыл бұрын

😭😂😂 it has like 600 less cars and can barely compare to Forza which is 4K 60fps and GtSport only being able to get 1800p. But yea they have the “best audio- visual experience”. Literally, no. What next, is 7 a bigger number than 10?

@YAS2K2

2 жыл бұрын

Gran Turismo "the real driving simulator" Not provoking anyone but hands down, better than Forza motorsport. Even though Forza is catching up. Only issue I have is Series S is outselling series X by a massive margin. So will developers still aim Forza Motorsport 8 to play at 4k@120, 4k60 or 1080@120.

@ralph3555

2 жыл бұрын

@@YAS2K2 it might be a better driving simulator than Motorsport. But it’s fair to say Forza Horizon is the overall better racing game than both.

Just bought Forza MS 7 and can't wait to try it out. Grew up on GT 3 A-spec and gotta admit, GTS looks beautiful and more aesthetic than Forza. But for most people, the decision between these games depends on which console you have. After doing some research it looks like Forza could have more content though?

I'm a Forza fan, but gosh damn are those GT Sport replays gorgeous. They're definitely doing something very appropriate with the motion blur and lighting in replays. Absolutely stunning. As are the distant landscapes. Too bad the rest of the game falls short. Especially since I never even watch replays or stare at distant landscapes while playing a racing game anyways.

@kraenk12

6 жыл бұрын

Brennan Lawrence The rest is just as awesome. It’s just lower on content, but VR, much better A.I. and online makes more than up for it.

@joethehitman4479

6 жыл бұрын

Brennan Lawrence Yes ive been saying this for years. I been yelling at Turn 10 to fucking take note but they keep ignoring it. This shit is catching up with them. GT has a professional level of camera work with their replays, you can tell they used camera experts when building their games. This is with mostly all their games. Their replays are the best in the world hands down. Damn i wish Forza had this level of attention and options in replay. I feel like we never going to get it though. Kinda sucks for content creators.

@CARBONHAWK1

6 жыл бұрын

Joe TheHitman if only T10 weren’t forced to push out a game every 2 years they might achieve something astronomical.

5...4...3...2...1...let that hate begin...

@OmniOmegaKiller

6 жыл бұрын

5...4...3...2...1...let that hate stop...

@ralph9563

6 жыл бұрын

Philip Robbins Hate for Just colors on a screen. 😂😂😂😂

@bukinova

6 жыл бұрын

yeah, and most of the haters doesn't have any of those games

@ralph9563

6 жыл бұрын

Luis Vasquez If anything the racer fans should be debating and arguing on this topic.

@ColtSSR

6 жыл бұрын

No hate so far. Fan boys are so 2007

revisiting this after watching the H2H for GT7 and FM'23 it's pretty shocking how different these previous instalments were yet were both pretty much equally beautiful. I feel T10 really dropped the ball despite having 6 years to improve. FM'23 almost seems like a downgrade from FM7 at the moment. Maybe not factually, but in terms of how it presents

rain will be coming in GT Sport, just that they will be adding it after they hit a few more cars and tracks as they update the game once a month with on average 8 cars and 1/2 track layouts, either it be new locations or old ones. they also add more Scapes locations like New Zealand which was added not too long ago (waiting on Australia). there is a lot of beautiful cars now, and they will keep adding content. its Community is also going strong with its Livery editor's crafting 1:1 replicas of movie cars, and racing liveries just because of the ability to import 15KB SVG's

I want GT Sport graphics with Forza 7 content :D

@thizzhead8825

6 жыл бұрын

WickedlNl There reason why the game has such good graphics is because they focused on polishing a lesser amount of content.

@haileymatthews1777

6 жыл бұрын

Forza 7 already has better graphics, so if Forza 7 were to implement GT Sport graphics, it'd be one helluva giant downgrade...so, no thanks!

@IvanSantanaEu

6 жыл бұрын

GTS is a online game for the rest of PS4 life. It will get there. Take some time.

@thizzhead8825

6 жыл бұрын

Hailey Matthews Lol no. Forza has flat lifeless lighting.

@hashhood3394

6 жыл бұрын

Really ironic that people were saying the complete opposite last gen lol

A couple of odd omissions: - HDR comparison - Refresh rate on rearview mirror reflections.

@MattyPeq

6 жыл бұрын

hdr is useless.

@abrahamhamdan6578

6 жыл бұрын

because you haven't seen it, go to any best buy store and and look at an HDR TV.

@KiingOfTomorrow

6 жыл бұрын

Spoken like somebody that has no hdr set at home lol. Hdr is amazing. They shulda mentioned the pit crews or lack there of in Forza

@dacentafielda12

6 жыл бұрын

I've played GT in HDR and watched Forza 7 videos in HDR. Both games look extremely impressive. HDR makes me feel like I've been cheated my whole life lol.

@kraenk12

6 жыл бұрын

HDR is a bigger feature than 4K. An GTS's HDR implementation is impeccable.

GT Sport had the best comeback and post launch development of the two. Deserves a re-review cause my god is it a different monster now compared to when it launched

@tinek0803

5 жыл бұрын

I bought it yesterday. Patch is bigger than actual game. Absolutely love it!

@y0ungbl0od

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@cristianarturosastrecervan9301

4 жыл бұрын

Agree, but they need to add that sense of speed in gt sport.

@double0chan634

4 жыл бұрын

IKR! it totally deserves a re-review

@manoel6728

4 жыл бұрын

Unlike GT, Forza was launched complete, it still has more content and dynamic weather, the additional content of the GT came with microtransactions

Very technical analysis, loved it!

Amazing analysis and comparison, i think GT Sport looks better.

@ivanrzhanoy9389

6 жыл бұрын

Definitely, but in my opinion Forza is more fun to drive. My friend and I played Gran Turismo 6 and we didn't like it. I can't exactly explain why (maybe it's the camera shake or blur or field of view or whatever), but Forza simply feels more exciting.

@mrniz461

6 жыл бұрын

Ivan Rzhanoy that’s cause it’s more arcadey than any of the other racers.

@ivanrzhanoy9389

6 жыл бұрын

Even more arcady than Burnout? Seriously though, I wouldn't call it arcady (granted the assist is disabled). It's definitely has a strong simulator vibe to me. I am not the one to judge it though, because I don't spend hours on racing games.

@PauloRobertoElias

6 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with that point of vision

@MrRedeemed

6 жыл бұрын

Video Games Sounds *Now we could say "GT came out after Forza so it should look slightly better", the same logic that is used to try and justify the 1Xs big power difference over the pro, but I'm not going to say that, and neither should fanboys try and make excuses for the pro, it is what it is, Congratulations Sony and a great looking racer, and Congratulations Xbox on a beast of a console.* 😊 *See power isn't everything, which is what Xbox fans have been trying to tell Playstation fans all along, so chill, it's ok ☺️, but make no mistake...this is only the beginning 😜😜😜, jk lol, I'm sure both companies have great things cooking up, so either way both communities will win with this new era of amazing tech, happy gaming my brothers, stay humble.* 🙏💗

Looks like GT Sport got lightning right.

@trinitysingularityzombiech7836

6 жыл бұрын

IC BM I agree only thing gt did better

@raoulduke806

6 жыл бұрын

Only thing? it did better in other aspects too... Im metioning lightning because is something that is hard to get right.

@thizzhead8825

6 жыл бұрын

IC BM Good lighting is the future of graphics and only GT has done it right in terms of racing games.

@v4tv

6 жыл бұрын

Yes it looks very impressive indeed. As an Xbox owner who loves racing games, it is nice to see the PS4 finally get a good racing game.

@gonschor7dleven

6 жыл бұрын

Forza has never quote nailed lighting like GT has. They're both great games (my grumbles with Forza 7 aside), but man, GT has always looked far more realistic.

Great Video, just what I was looking and well explained , thanks

I've been a Forza player for years now (kind of a fanboy also). When Gt sport released, i bought it, (no previous real experience with gt) i drove 1/2 a lap and deleted the game instantly, game just released back then and i think the controller handling wasnt quite optimised back then. Now just 2 months ago, i got myself a proper steering wheel and gave it another chance. I was blown away by how good the game was and the ffb of the steering wheel feels. Now just yesterday I bought a new tv (4KHDR) and booted up both my consoles, first gave forza a go and it looked okay, Did find the handling of the car quite wonkey compared to playing gt sports last 2 months. Than i booted up my ps4pro with gt sport and my jaw dropped for like hours.. This game is by far the most beautiful racing game ever created on a console and nothing comes even close to it. One thing is for sure, I'm getting myself a PS5 with GT7!!!!

@dookiekicks

4 жыл бұрын

Such a bullshitter..you booted up forza 7 on a 4k tv and it looked "ok"? Sure..

@Horneycorn

4 жыл бұрын

dookiekicks looked pretty bad actually compared to gt sport.

Talent vs Power. Once again, talent for the win!!!

as Forza isn't match for GTS, how about GTS VS DRIVECLUB

@321RrelyT

6 жыл бұрын

Alejandro Rocha what about forza vs mario kart?

@p4l026

6 жыл бұрын

Toto Wolff Ahahah nerd, get a life.

@elitebeing21

6 жыл бұрын

Toto Wolff i love this comment

@nixxxon18

6 жыл бұрын

Driveclub is only 30 fps = Driveclub loses

@ey7290

6 жыл бұрын

TylerR FACT Videos you find on Forza are usually 720p, when you actually physically get a copy of Forza and put it in in Xbox one S it looks life like.

Without a doubt the best Forza vs. GT comparison of all time. Completely unbiased and correctly broken down on both a smart and deep level. BRavo!

Useful info, thank you. As someone who is deciding on which platform and game I was hoping for some info on sound, engine sounds and tyre screeches are important to me.

@Welsh_Veteran_420_Z

4 жыл бұрын

No one here will deny the sound design is far superior in Forza. Also the vehicle handling is much better on Forza if your using a controller. (side note - in this video the guy hasn't turned camera shake off in Forza)

@RexDtm

4 жыл бұрын

@@Welsh_Veteran_420_Z Sound design please pff please dont let me start an argument we both don't want

@Welsh_Veteran_420_Z

4 жыл бұрын

@@RexDtm Well it would be easy for me because I could just cite nearly any review or serious youtube sim channel who pretty much all agree the engine sounds on GT are, and always have been very poor and synthesised. GT Spec 2 is better on some cars but overall but nobody is seriously arguing that it compares to Forza

@RexDtm

4 жыл бұрын

@@Welsh_Veteran_420_Z Yea ok atleast we aren't doing it as Nfs and Forza

Gt sport is a true art.

That bouncing camera in Forza 7 looks like cheap C-class horror. Seriously. Trick from NFS for better speed feeling? Lol.

@Minto107

6 жыл бұрын

XauSex lol you prefer one in GT from PSP? You're funny

@ferrarif8tributo441

6 жыл бұрын

XauSex There's a thing called the "options menu"

@waking00one

6 жыл бұрын

The third person camera in GT is awful with how static it is. The forza one with the movement bumpiness disabled is much better tbh.

@Anon24052

6 жыл бұрын

waking00one Mate it’s better for non masochists who don’t want to get motion sickness

@justgrayyy105

5 жыл бұрын

XauSex Driveclub has better camera shaking and you can adjust it too

I've always at least for me since im also a racing fan whem it comes to actually tuning and car sound and perfomance they sound so realistic

07:00 that white paint line is floating above the asphalt

@zannrebel1217

5 жыл бұрын

Its not

@pinkchckn

4 жыл бұрын

@@zannrebel1217 Yes it is, if you focus on the sides of it you can see some rocks appearing and disappearing on each side as the camera pans.

@zannrebel1217

4 жыл бұрын

@@pinkchckn I see it now, I was looking at the previous scene and thought wtf is he talking about.

to sum up, GT looks better.

@christopherwalkinalloverya5824

6 жыл бұрын

eric s Forza 7 has better textures. GT has better lighting. Tie.

@woodie228

6 жыл бұрын

I think GT looks better, but it is also because almost everything lighting and shadow wise is baked in. Couple that with less cars on the track. They are both great exclusives for each persons console.

Why not choose and buy both games. I have Forza 7, Gran Turismo Sport, Project Cars 2, and Dirt Rally and 4, F1 2017 and I am happy. Its not a competition, you can buy everything you want.

@whyamihere44

6 жыл бұрын

Martin Brož This man gets it.

@cheapskate101

6 жыл бұрын

Great comment BTW. My only question is how the hell do you get enough time to play them all ?

@walnutpearl

6 жыл бұрын

Amen brother

@martinsuperbomb

6 жыл бұрын

Yes... and no. I mean... I am definitely playing GT Sport and Forza 7 now. But in the long time I will play every each one of them till something else interesting will come up. And I can always return to these games. Realistically I will play them all for about 1 year. :D

@DennisFang1

6 жыл бұрын

Money is a pretty good reason. There’s no way I’m buying a Xbox one x, an Xbox compatible wheel and Xbox live just for Forza. And gaming PC’s cost even more lololol

one thing i do notice a lot in forza on my xbone is when racing in cockpit view there are often glitches/artifacts. mostly black squares(mostly minor but bigger ones at times) appearing next to the A-pillar. on some tracksit doesnt happen but it does happen often when racing on Laguna Seca.

I have to go GT Sport. It just has a little edge over Forza. They're both outstanding however as they're very accurate in there driving simulations. Thank you for the great observations that you had noticed. You were spot on. Thank for the share and have a great one!