I just wish BRP would just sell the brand to another company to redevelop. Even the Johnson name into a four stroke give us something!!!

@stephenshaughnessy9733

8 ай бұрын

That won’t happen. The BRP ghost is evinrude technology. They will always double down on the 2 stroke technology.

@mactownsend2890

3 ай бұрын

I think the brand is forever dead. Even if revived, too many dealers, customers, enthusiasts burned. Real bad experiences that run real deep. A lot of people lost a lot of money and endured a lot of headaches on so many levels.

@dang5553

2 ай бұрын

BRP needs to return that government money

I’m so sick of incompetence running great companies into the ground. I’ve seen it I’ve worked for a company that our plant manager was more interested in chasing his secretary around the office then managing our company. What was once the shining example in a 300 million dollar a year companies shop is gone because of him.

@markbols3128

9 ай бұрын

These big groups buying co. Just destroy them. After Remington arms was bought by freedom group they mfg. Junk firearms and the quality control was shit. Then they quit building and supplying parts for the original firearms. Sad.

@machew2009

9 ай бұрын

I Agree it's really sad but hey they came out with a really bad design for an outboard rather then continuing with a good outboard and improving on it

@jddarby007

9 ай бұрын

Don't get me started about incompetence in the trucking industry.

@rdude1184

9 ай бұрын

Agreed, working for one of the Mediocre Three, (big 3) for 20 years the integrity has fallen threw the Floor.

@jasoncrites1912

9 ай бұрын

@@jddarby007you got that right mister!

Nobody.. NOBODY can ever say Andy wasn't ever here for the people... dudes been here from day ONE for US!!!! And I appreciate that

I used to be a huge Evinrude/Johnson patron until the Ficht. I switched over to Mercury but just love the sound and looks of the ETECs. It is truly sad to have witnessed their demise.

@omieyouknowme

19 сағат бұрын

Bought a used boat. Previous owners etec blew up with 200 hours on it. He went to Yamaha 4 stroke

Im a Evinrude guy, I dont blame you for not liking it. This motor went down hill when BRP got their hands on it

I still have an 08 225HO that I am nursing. Having to worry about parts takes the fun out of it. Glad you said it. I try to take people by their word. BRP needs to stand behind what they promised. Maybe it is time for a class action lawsuit. That may be our only recourse!

@kevincrawford6936

9 ай бұрын

I've got a friend that has a 2006 225HO that runs great. He just took it off and is trying to sell it. $3500obo He repowered with Mercury

@-di-johnson6706

9 ай бұрын

I had an 08 225HO up until a month ago until the head unit began overheating, didn’t even get to 400 hours. Sad to see it go but I repowered with mercury.

Lesson learned- with a piece of machinery, there’s no room for emotion. Brands, labels have changed meaning in the last 30 yrs. Save emotions for people you care about

Agree 100% with you as a previous dealer. I have dropped Mercury also because of all the back orders. I had a prop on back order for 2 years and they finally shipped it out and they shipped it to another dealer. Mercury put it back on back order. WTF! I pity the poor people with newer motors because no parts are available.

Always appreciate the honesty and information!

Andy, long time subscriber and first time commenter. Your videos and information you share with this group are always appreciated. You personally saved me a huge amount of grief these last few years as I was seriously considering upgrading my outboard to an ETEC....and as you stated so eloquently.... :)..... they "were" an awesome motor and company in the past but their demise as of now is staggering. I'm up in Canada which makes accessing parts and service even more difficult. By subscribing to this channel, you convinced me that a shiny new Suzuki was the way to go and I have never been happier with their product, service and reliability. I can't even imagine the grief and stress I would be experiencing if I had gone with the Evinrude. A big thank you from this Canadian boy for keeping my stress levels in check and being able to actually be on the water where all boats belong!! Take care.

@kevinyakabowski7488

9 ай бұрын

sorry, one more thing.....my neighbor bought a Switch this summer and I can't stop laughing at him.....

@glennaltpeter8917

Ай бұрын

You know that hundreds of thousands of the Johnnyrude motors were made in Peterborough Ontario for many decades till they went bankrupt in the States, I've owned at least five. I now have a 78 115 and an 84 90hp still running strong.

Parts will be backordered until they're no longer legally required to manufacture/supply them. Nice little legal loophole they have there.

@scottmonthony726

4 сағат бұрын

That was my understanding of the legal aspect of it. When GM decided to stop producing Oldsmobile, the federal government stepped in and said that parts must be available for 10 years following the last production. Is the fact that BRP is Canadian having influence on this? Funny, a lot of GM products were produced in Canada. 🤔. It's sad really. I've owned Johnson Evinrude since the seventies. Still running 80's two strokes. Probably going to go Japanese in the future. They actually care about putting a quality product out. 😢

Andy thank You for all you do and the good honest information . I was at Emerald Cove Parker Arizona on the river two weeks ago and saw my first and only "Switch". It looked interesting from far away on the trailer but when they put it in the water and added six adults it couldn't get out of it's own way. A True Pile of floating excrement. Thanks Jim.

Love your videos, and the honest knowledge you share!

Thanks for your honesty and the heads-up.

Andy with the million beep bombs lol. Felt like I was watching the scene in Happy Gilmore where he missed the putt! 😂

@Eric-zs6rd

3 ай бұрын

Either stop censoring or stop swearing. The beeping is annoying as a 7am alarm clock

Love it. Telling it straight! 🙏🇺🇸

Had an Etec g1 90 on my boat, it honestly ran like a champ. But I started hearing horror stories about parts taking a year plus to ship and i decided to get rid of it. Got a great trade in for a new 4 stroke.

I'm not a boat expert. Yamaha/Tohatsu dealer says Tohatsu answers the phone for them and handles business on point. He also said Tohatsu warranty is first class, no B/S about what caused an issue. My experience is 30hp, buddy's 40hp saltwater fished mostly and a new 140hp. We are all happy customers !

@evinrudeboy6601

9 ай бұрын

As a Tohatsu dealer, this is 100% true

My best day of boating was getting rid of the Evinrude and putting on a new Suzuki. I have no faith whatsoever in BRP and would never buy a boat with one.

There's 4 part numbers for V4 & V6 EMM for E Tecs, 586707, 586982, 587130, 587155 These numbers haven't changed or been Superseded. As the New Zealand Distributor our last receipt of these part numbers was a stock order in November 2023, About the time this video was uploaded. There's 2 reasons why a dealer tells his customers parts aren't available. Wants to sell a repower. Parts account is on stop. Mostly its the repower. I see this happening in our market. If you are having trouble getting parts for Evinrude you should try Barnicle Bills or we can send them back from New Zealand. Your welcome.

Both my Evinrudes are from the 80's. I have an 89 90hp VRO and an 83 25hp tiller. Both have been dead nuts reliable. I will run em till they or I croak, but what's truly amazing is there are parts ALL over for these, and no electronics to F with. Love me old Evi's.

Preach bro! Great job.

I think Bombardier knew exactly what they were going to do with this and never had any intent of making it a success .

@marksages1691

9 ай бұрын

Damn Canadiens... Blame Canada!!!

@glennaltpeter8917

Ай бұрын

Probably Trudeau is at fault! He has screwed up everything else.

Thanks Andy, you are one of the most real men out there

@TeamMarineService

5 ай бұрын

I appreciate that buddy

As soon as the made the announcement I re powered my boat! Basically gave away a perfectly running E-Tec because I had a feeling this exact thing would happen! It ran really good when it wasn’t broke 😅

Great video. Andy tells it like it is, and sometimes the truth hurts. Hope someone at Bombardier sees this video. But even so I doubt they would give a shit, Keep on keeping it real Andy!

Love the straight talk!

As a life long Johnson/Evinrude man this kinda shit grinds my gears. BRP do the right thing and sell the Evinrude name to someone who will make it great again. MEGA....make Evinrude great again!! Guess I'll keep my Carbed Johnson Venom, at least the aftermarket has parts for those.

Andy, thanks for sharing this... I had a feeling that is what was going to happen but, thought it would take a little longer to actually happen. Nice work sharing the inside info with folks that need to know Keep up the great content!

I have a 2011 250 HO, been thinking repower since Evinrude pulled the plug, but it runs so good just rolling the dice so far.

I traded in my 30hp E-tec a month and a half ago because it kept going into overheat mode with a new functioning impellor and bought a brand new Merc. I got ahead of the rabbit hole of part availability, knew this was coming. It’s unfortunate BRP took the name and trashed it.

@ceetrout3255

9 ай бұрын

Yep, My etec 30 just started the unexplainable overheat issue… new imp kit, thermo,pressure valve, no avail…. Even removed thermo… still overheating.. FFS

@williamtukeyjr3661

8 ай бұрын

I had the same problem with my 25 (same engine). I bought a Tohatsu which runs great so far.

I was gonna buy a used boat that’s got this motor on it but I just changed my mind thank you for saving a big headache

As a Marine Tech in the Houston/galveston area, I can say that I am glad that I’ll never had to service another evinrude outboard.

Glad I went to an SHO when I did. My Evinrudes have always been great, when they were running....

I bought a demo G2 300 from a pro staffer a year before they quit. Motor was awesome; great torque, smooth running and loved the steering. But saw the writing on the wall when they went under. Downsized my boat to a rig with a ‘99 carbed 150 Yamaha; had no prob getting parts for it. Sold it for more than a used etec will get. Finally ended up with the ol reliable Yam F150.

@JR-ho5qm

9 ай бұрын

The G2s really are fantastic

The old ones from the 60's 70's still run like a champ and you can get parts for the old ones

I still love my E-Tecs, but this is my biggest concern. Parts; I have a 1000hr plus 40hp engine that has been flawless for over 17 years. And my 225HO G2 has mainly been good, some minor issues that lead to other slight running issues (extended idling lead to fouled plug and burnt out coil). Carbon build up due to that also blocked EMM exhaust back pressure fitting). Cleared and has been running great. 650plus hours on that 2014 year engine ABA. Will see how it goes.

My 2019 g2 115 ho just started knocking, warranty until may 2025. I live in onalaska and plan on bringing it to you guys to winterize and look at soon.

I'm so glad I watch this vid. I am looking at a 2016 boat with a 250 Evinrude on it. The price is lower than the same boat with a Yam etc on it and they keep dropping the price but no one is buying it. It seems like a good deal but if you can't get parts for the motor what good is it.

Hello Andy, I enjoy watching your Team Talk KZreads and was quite interested in your "Evinrude Bombshell!!!" video that talked about the problem many viewers apparently are having getting replacement parts for their Evinrude E-TEC motors. I have a 2018 90hp E-TEC that runs great. There is an Evinrude / Suzuki dealer in Detroit that always seems to have parts and service for both motors. Maybe this place gets the parts that they need because of their longevity as a selling and servicing Evinrude dealer? Their website says that they have been in business at the same location for over 100 years! Lockeman's Hardware & Boats in Detroit is another place your viewers might be able to contact for hard to get E-TEC parts and service. Thanks again for keeping boaters informed about all the latest issues!!

Having worked with several auto manufacturers over a 30 year span, I know that a part number change usually indicates that the manufacturer has identified a problem with the current design of a part and it has been redesigned or a component has been changed to a different manufacturer to mediate the problem. The problem with computers is that the chips needed to fix the problem are made of that rare precious substance known as UNOBTANIUM. When the chips are released, they are in such short supply that all or most of them go to the assembly line. If they went to spare parts, the assembly lines would shut down tanking the business. Unfortunately, the owners of previously purchased defective products are faced with long wait times. They are partially screwed. The reason I say partially is that when the supply chain restores, they can get their part. If the company folds, they go from partially to totally screwed.

Bought a rt 188 back in 17 almost bought a rude but wised up and got a Mercury and thank god I did

I waited 6 weeks for an opti air compressor. Fixed it and re-powered with a Merc V-6.

Hey Andy thanks for the info and the heads up. I currently own a 175 E-tec that runs well. What would be your suggestion on reliable replacement outboard to go on the back of my 2004 Tr19X?

I love your honesty man...I used to love evinrude back in 90s ,early 2000s but seen soon when they sold out it went to shit...I seen then I would never own one !!

I took a shot with every F bomb you dropped, and I’m drunker than hell now still not drunk enough to wanna fuck with an Evinrude😂😂😂

Im In SE Wi and theres quite a few sea doo switches around and dealers have alot in stock. I talked to a guy from BRP in Sturtevant and he said the underboard will be available to order in spring.

Good video Andy. It's sad that BRP Did what they did to The Oldest Outboard motor Company. They showed us what a Shit Company looks like. I hope they BRP goes Completely Bankrupt !

@moosemilk8956

9 ай бұрын

I feel the same way! Bastards!

@boydlittou9446

9 ай бұрын

Oh they will loose their a$$. They showed their selves to be as stupid as JB and this is one move the government should have stepped in on. To many owners out there to have let this happen. The feds step in to everything else why not this. Guess no congressman had $ Invested in BRP.

The AI "customer service" was spot on 🤣

I run a 2012 130hp on a Shoalwater cat down here in TX. Great motor, but I’ll run it till it blows or no parts available. I won’t get a dime for trade in, so why not. My mechanic races Evinrude motors. He builds flywheel replacements that are cheaper and better warranty than the BRP OEM flywheels. Race proven. BRP was buying from him during COVID and was shipping all over the world. It’s going to take people like this to keep it going for a little while, but at the end of the day even he won’t get parts.

The company I’m with has been a J/E dealer/service center for 46 years. The reputation in our area we have for these motors is incredible. We always had parts on hand and we pride ourselves on proper quality, efficient work. It’s a kick to our guts knowing we can’t serve our customers like we did. Luckily we’re Yamaha also so we were able to bounce back a bit. But to see one of our old signs that says “First in Outboards”… it means nothing now. I feel the Cape Coral dealer meeting was a giant F-U to us looking back on everything. They knew, they had/have a plan and I’m thinking by 2025 it’s totally done.

@jerrymundt9427

2 ай бұрын

Ł😂

I have a 1977 Johnson 115 and it runs great (for now) but I’ve always thought of that and I’d run into the problem of not being able to find parts. But hopefully it keeps running

@22mpb

9 ай бұрын

I got a 1965 Johnson 9.5 hp and it’s been dependable for years. Sucks that I gotta switch companies when I buy a new boat soon.

@glennaltpeter8917

Ай бұрын

There's lots of aftermarket parts available, for almost all the older motors, even on Amazon.

glad my old 120hp V4 Johnson still runs hard. Would love a modern 2-stroke. but too many horror stories...

Andy, great content, please keep up the good work! I have a 2016 etec 40 with about 120 hours on it. I can't afford to repower so two questions. First, is this a reliable outboard? Second, what can I do to maximize its lifespan? Thanks for the help!

@Muskyfishn84

3 ай бұрын

Xd100 oil, carbon guard, and 200:1 oil in the fuel. Non ethanol fuel and run it wide open for at least 5 minutes a trip to the lake.

I used to have a 30 hp Evinrude almost 40 years ago.I never had problems with it. I think the down fall of Evinrude started when they decided to introduce a direct injected 2 stroke. I think if they put in the research and money into making a quality 4 stroke they'd still be in business. It's arrogance and stupidity on their part. I now own a Mercury outboard.

Yes Sir this is very unfortunate.

You can always just order sierra parts for most things

I have a 2018 etec 300hp ..wonder what I can get for it if I repowered ? Would u sell it separate then do a repower or the dealers will give you something when u repower ? engine runs great 160 hrs on it .. but like you said parts will be harder and harder to get ....

Love it!... Hey, I feel'yah from Johnson to Evenrude. I wanted to love it, a good oh American brand, but they screwed the pooch; damn shame. Under-board? Let's not reinvent the wheel here folks how about just making a powerful, reliable American build outboard 🤷‍♂️

WOW!!! Thank you so much for this vid!!! I've been looking for an E-Tec to re-motor my '89 88 SPL as there are lakes here I can't run a pre-mix 2 stroke on. What is my best option? Thank much! ~Chris

I 100% agree. I also think they knew this when they did that 10yr warranty to clear out the inventory knowing they would never service these warranties.

I have a 2018 Evinrude 115 HP with about 15 hrs on it,,I just hope it stays together.

It's like Steven Hawkins last words, the power down sound 😂

Should we make offers on used boats with evinrude as if the motor is off the boat? Figure the repower in the offer?

@markgleason1369

9 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 yes I do this anyway hahaha

@williamtukeyjr3661

8 ай бұрын

yes

We repowered in 2021 to a Suzuki 250SS...took a Etec 225 off and sold it......glad I did 😮

Andy!!!🤠 what's up!!! Nice info🤠 What about the Trolling Motor battle? 😬 We need an expert on it🤓.

I LOVED Evinrude, marine tech most of my life. For any one out there that wants to hear this, just this week I traded my Etec. Talking with several Evinrude dealers, we all believe when BRP is done with the warranty on existing motors, they will flush EVERYTHING down the toilet!!!! So glad (as much as it broke my heart), I put a Suzuki 4-stroke on my boat, even after I always said I’d never buy a 4-stroke, because it was worth money now, and prices are dropping!!

Like Mercury before old man Keikhaefer passed away and the kids sold it. Downhill it went. Yamaha, Suzuki, and Tohatsu is really all there is.

I've got Evinrude and Johnson in 3 different eras lol I think the newest one is mid 70s. They all run great.

Wow. So glad I didn’t take a chance and buy used boats this year with an Evinrude on it because there were quite a few of them for sale.

Damn that motor looked freaking amazing back then (and now)! And I grew up a die hard Merc guy!

I understand the frustration. It is very incompetent of BRP. The customer service is terrible. It would have been a much, much better video without all the swearing that was bleeped.

I would repower but I'm sure I won't get anything on a trade. I have a 2009 200HP Etec. Guess I'll just run it until it blows

Well I'll be looking for g1 motors to scoop up cheap and have fun converting them back to old school hot rod motors. Stand alone ecus are readily available.

Hard to keep the computer board cooled if it ran in salt water or muddy water . There is a place in the water jackets that gets filled with sediment and won’t flow water to the computer.. I just bought one a few months ago then shipped both computers to GA to have a data transfer. The computer has to be programmed to the motor or it will not run.. they did buy my old one that did off set the shipping. And the price of the data transfer so all together about 75$.. the computer itself was a few hundred dollars

Mercury parts are hard to get too. Older Merc parts NLA.

We bought a switch because it was $21k during Covid but I knew BRP was trash and figured if it lasts 4 years it was worth it. It’s a sad faded pile and spent 6 months in the shop waiting on parts so far.

Thanks for the video, I’m one of the big Evinrude fans lol! I will try and send this video to BRP, if this is the case it’s very unfortunate. We as Evinrude customers definitely don’t deserve this. I know in Canada Evinrude has to supply parts for at least 25 years that’s by law. So I don’t feel this is entirely true. I’m a Autobody painter and parts have been a nightmare since Covid they start getting good then get bad again so this could be partially the case. I like Andy but it blows my mind how far apart we are when it comes to how one person can like something so much (G2) and one person absolutely hates it. It’s very strange

@scottfrazier131

9 ай бұрын

Anytime there seems to be an issue lately it’s blame it on Covid. Uggg

@JR-ho5qm

9 ай бұрын

@@scottfrazier131 I know eh. Easy excuse but it totally did mess allot of things up. Still to this day. It also allowed allot of people to quit trying at there jobs because they had a easy excuse to fall back on. Which ain’t cool.

@jamesparrish9613

3 ай бұрын

Don't waste your time. I am sure they have already seen it. Did you see his videos on the Ghost? Youch.

Not disagreeing with anything you just said but Parts are challenging for all mechanics right now.

Man as you can tell from my profile pic i am a die hard omc guy i think its a shame that brp is running the evinrude name in the dirt, other then at the end of omc. I figured that brp was full of it when they said they would keep up with parts on evinrude

It is sad . I had a 1998 225 and when omc went under I lost my warranty . Traded it in on a 2004 225HO , that thing was a rocket ship. had no trouble with either outboard .

Just found your channel and thank you the great info and insight. I watched your video, about 3 years ago, about Yamaha vs Mercury. I was wonder if your thoughts are the same about the brands. As, I have a 2016 Boston Whaler 210 Montauk with a 2016 Evinrude E-TEC 200HP HO. I am in Southwest Florida and just can't get any service in my area on the E-TEC. My E-TEC needs about a $4k of work, including a new fuel pump/reservoir. So, I've been thinking about repowering. Thoughts on the Yamaha and Suzuki inline 4 cylinder 200HP compared to the Mercury FourStroke V6 200HP outboard?

That’s why I have a business salvaging Duramax Diesel engines. Between Covid, age, and the strikes there is low to no availability on parts. So I buy all the old stuff up and sell it for profit.

What's sad is the old OMC Johnson/Evinrude are still running strong and will out last the BRP junk that replaced them

Barnicle Bills is the place for parts and service.

I was never a huge evenrude fan but owned one because I couldn't pass up a used stratos 201xl that I bought very cheap with on 200 hours on an evenrude. I sold it approx 2 years ago just after they 1st announced and I knew the writing was on the wall. Sold it while I still knew I could and get some return on it. Sold it for what I but it for, so used it for years for the cost of maintenance and a few upgrades. New seats, trailer fenders, trailer jack, winch, and a garmin 7 inch with GPS. Plus a cheaper regular unit up front. Also some other inexpensive add ons or fixes . So I feel Ii was a smart purchase and sale. Ofcourse now in hock with a way newer boat but that's life of a bass fisherman. Lol

That's why I'm a Mercury or Mariner man. Evinrude used to be good outboard motor.

Who didn’t know to run from Evinrude? Come on. Kinda obvious when the plug was pulled. First to sell won!

Sounds like a class action lawsuit in the making. Hit BRP where it hurts. Make them honor their customer obligations.

@scottfrazier131

9 ай бұрын

Yea, good luck with that.

@kenbrown5449

9 ай бұрын

@@scottfrazier131 yea, gotta be honest, I really don't care what they do. Just thought I'd throw some hope their way.

@brentcarr8365

9 ай бұрын

​@@kenbrown5449I say yes to the lawsuit, atleast wake there asses up

@justinschmidt9180

9 ай бұрын

Its a business the only loser is the customer. The business model is always screw you give me your money

@riccochet704

9 ай бұрын

Thing is, you won't be suing BRP. You'll be suing Evinrude, who only exists to honor warranties. It's a shell of a company with nearly zero value. You'll get nothing because there is nothing to get from them.

I need help finding out where my boat is leaking and was also wondering what was your opinion on a 1978 champion bass

I have a 2017 etech 115hp on my ranger rt188. It runs great but would yall recommend I trade it I'm for?

when evinrude said they would farm the parts out i thought they would say that.Ihave been around long enough to not believe this

Trying to sell people on 2 stroke engines wasn’t going to fly, I remember seeing several infomercials trying to sell the idea. You’re up against the big giants, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Tohatsu. Every Merc 30 horsepower and under are made by Tohatsu. Merc is the only American brand now and will always have to be on top of their game going up against the big 4 in Japan. I grew up with Johnson / Evinrude, and was very much saddened to see them die.

I've had multiple older Evinrudes and Johnsons and currently own an 86 110 that I bought new in 86 and had very few issues since new, coil, starter, oil injection and that's it. Could probably use reeds. Had friends that had XP's and Intruders and all great motors but also had friends that had E techs and absolutely junk! Power heads computers, lower units etc all swayed me into not getting one. Very disappointing! Still get comments in my bass club on how well the 110 pushes my old Sylvan Eliminator, still will hit 45 mph with 2 guys and full load. Last good motor in my opinion was the Intruder!

I still had 5yr left on my 10yr warranty when I got rid of my etec! What good is a warranty when they don’t have the parts to back it up? I was without a boat for a year waiting on parts! 6 months for a exhaust valve actuator then 6 months for a flywheel!

I was unlucky in that they announced the "going out of business" six weeks after I gladly purchased a motor with the Evinrude name on it. At that time I was having some issues with it and my dealer easily got parts from them. Fast forward three years and in spite of the dealer trying everything we couldn't get it fixed. As time progressed the dealer started having issues getting them on the phone as I continued to have issues. The mechanic found a used part at another dealer and finally we had it fixed. The same day I was convinced we had finally fixed it I gave it to a guy that had blown his engine and needed one. I ordered a new Yamaha and can't be happier.

Such a shame...i really wish somebody would have saved evinrude. I still have some small hp evinrudes from the 80's and 90's and those little suckers run and are pretty dependable for their age.

The 2 5l Merc is the small block Chevy of outboards. Lol.

I have an 06 225 and can’t find anyone to work on it.

I have a 2007 200 etec on a 294xl stratos. Other than starters, I haven't had any major problems. Knock on wood. But I will say, there is only 1 guy here in ky that even works on them anymore. Prob gonna trade it in this winter..