Crazy to think Dreamfyre would get her other eggs hatched centuries later, making them also siblings of Meleys and Caraxes

@natanieltiglao540

Жыл бұрын

No wonder they are wild bunch like their older siblings, Drogon is like Caraxes and Rhaegal is much like Meleys. Is suppose Viserion is female like mommy Dreamfyre. Ahh dracarys!

@thalmoragent9344

Жыл бұрын

@@natanieltiglao540 Odd though if we consider that Dany allegedly knows that all her Dragons are male.. what makes you think Viserion is a girl, might I ask? 🤔

@natanieltiglao540

Жыл бұрын

@@thalmoragent9344 the least wild of them.

@thalmoragent9344

Жыл бұрын

@@natanieltiglao540 I mean, even females can be aggressive in nature. Not as often but they're no secret to it. And not to mention Viserion acts like basically a big, scaly cat. A chill, sleepy boi. And gets aggressive if anyone threatens Dany, of course. So basically, like any Big or House Cat, but well, more emotional I guess, as a Dragon and not a Feline of course

@cmmueller4830

Жыл бұрын

What‘s about that: “Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.”

Caraxes is a mutant among his kind. An outcast just like Daemon is among his kin and so am I in my family. I love it.

@DraconimLt

Жыл бұрын

not in the books.

its stated that dreamfyre was a very fertile dragon who laid many clutches of eggs, she had two by 43 AC and another somewhere in 49-50 AC. She had so many eggs it became an issue of trust for her rider Rhaena, who saw people either wanted the eggs for themselves or to get rid of them because they were afraid of being over run by dragons. George RRM stated that we would discovery the identity of Drogon, Viserion, and Rhaegal's mother and Dreamfyre is the only one to fit as she had so many eggs and was the only one who had her eggs stolen. Also the *green* dragon egg taken by Deamon is quite possibly Rhaegal himself. the other possibility is actually Moondancer as they are the only two green dragons. I find it unlikely however as Rhaegal's egg "is a deep green, with burnished bronze flecks that comes and goes depending on how Daenerys turns it." and Moondancer "was a slender pale green. Her horns, crest and wingbones were pearl." Edit: i completely forgot Elissa stole the three eggs before Baelon was born, so its either a nameless dragon that never hatches or moondancer.

@crashglassbar5879

Жыл бұрын

I thought the egg that Daemon took in the show which is golden would eventually be given to Visery's first born son Aegon and become Sunfyre and (spoiler warning)(foreshadowing)

@num1pyrogurl

Жыл бұрын

@@crashglassbar5879 it was green not golden.

@jimmymcgill2557

Жыл бұрын

in episode 2 we saw Rhaenyra take back the egg Deamon stole and place it in a fire pit so it can't be Rhaegal, i imagine it will hatch soon mind!

@num1pyrogurl

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmymcgill2557 did you read my edit? X'D

@jimmymcgill2557

Жыл бұрын

i have now lol Dany's eggs were said to be from near Asshai, probally Stygai as there are dragons and all sorts of crazy things there! either way maybe we'll find out later in the show, i wonder how may seasons we'll get and when the 'dance' will be.

So, is it safe to say based on A Dance with Dragons, Caraxes fighting with Vhagar is like you fighting your grandmother?

@HalfAsianDerp

Жыл бұрын

This is too funny

@nasirisrarhussain4477

Жыл бұрын

And Vhagar killing Arrax is like a great grandmother killing her great grandchild.

@mursi2734

Жыл бұрын

@@nasirisrarhussain4477 Vhagar: So you see i killed my granddaughter and grandgradson

@targonyt7258

Жыл бұрын

I dont think dragons understand this

@nasirisrarhussain4477

Жыл бұрын

@@mursi2734 which grand daughter did she kill?

Due to color patterns, dates and sexes we know of: - *_Balerion_* and *_Meraxes_* ===> _Dreamfyre_ ♀, _Quicksilver_ ♂and _Silverwing_ ♀ . - *_Vhagar_* and *_Balerion_* ===> _Vermithor_ ♂ and _Sheepstealer_ ♂ . Silverwing and Dreamfyre are the only females, Vermithor is the only male left as Quicksilver dies young and Sheepstealer was wild and lived away from the rest. So: - *_Vermithor_* + *_Silverwing_* ===> _Syrax_ ♀ , _Sunfyre_ ♂ and _Grey Ghost_ ♂, - *_Vermithor_* + *_Dreamfyre_* ===> _Meleys_ ♀, _Caraxes_ ♂, 3 eggs of Daenerys, _Seasmoke_ ♂and _Tessarion_ ♀. For the last generation of dragons: - *_Caraxes_* + *_Syrax_* ===> _Vermax_ ♂/♀?, _Moondancer_ ♀ , _Stormcloud_ ♂ and _Morning_ ♀ - *_Syrax_* + *_Seasmoke_* ===> _Tyraxes_ ♂and _Arrax_ ♂. - *_Tessarion_* + *_Sunfyre_* ===> _Shrykos_ ♀ and _Morghul_ ♂ From Morning came 5 more short live dragons till the "Last Dragon" a green unamed female that died young leaving 5 eggs that never hatched.

@apeDLuffu

8 ай бұрын

Wait so vermithor kill his own son, and caraxes kill his grandma sheee....

@KhalMyth

3 ай бұрын

I agree with this for the most part - but we know from source materials that Meleys had eggs as she was dubbed 'the red queen' and only those who had eggs got that moniker. Seasmoke may have come from Meleys and why Laenor got to keep his dragon as it came from his mother's dragon and out of the reach of the Dragonkeepers / royal family. Also - QuickSilver is described as a she-dragon.

@y8gamer671

Ай бұрын

Dude, if Morning is the last dragon left, who did she mate with to lay eggs? Or maybe Dragons lay eggs without mating? Or perhaps both, and would explain why they kept getting smaller.

@George-Hawthorne

16 күн бұрын

It is possible that Cannibal is Quicksilver's clutch mate and might explain his hostility towards other dragons. Maybe he went berserk after Balerion killed his mate so is now hostile to the rest of his father's brood.

I am soooo glad someone finally came up with a dragon family tree!!!! I feel like dreamfyre is the dam to most of the younger ones

@matthewmonteiro6736

Жыл бұрын

except it extremely inaccurate seeing as its confirmed that dragons are genderless and can lay eggs by themselves

@quailjailss

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewmonteiro6736 I just block that out of the lore 🤷🏻‍♂️ in certain situations I can go along with them changing sex, but nah in my head they mate.

@quailjailss

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewmonteiro6736 also only a few are known to have laid eggs in the book. You’d think most of them would have laid eggs or at least all the older ones if they were gender less

@targonyt7258

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewmonteiro6736 I think they have gender. It's just that males can't give birth, but it's possible to be stronger. And the females continue the race but without having sx

@kakwa

Жыл бұрын

Well, this tree is somewhat speculative to be honest, apart from Syrax -> Morning, no relation is explicitly stated in the books. Kuddos however to the author, this tree seems to be quite logical in terms of timeline and coherent with the few clues we get from the books. But it fairness, I would have liked a disclaimer stating this is a theory.

It was said in episode 2 that the egg Daemon stole was from Dreamfyre.

I find it interesting that caraxes and meleys are siblings yet look totally different.

@piratesswoop725

Жыл бұрын

They are both red at least!

@mursi2734

Жыл бұрын

@@piratesswoop725 and im pretty sure both are said to be fierce.

@dannypatrick9361

Жыл бұрын

One is deformed.

@batperson3532

Жыл бұрын

@@dannypatrick9361 Not deformed. He's just built different.

@callumhoulahan2815

Жыл бұрын

@@batperson3532 built diffy

Actually I remember George RR Martin clarifying that dragons were kinda like frogs and that they can change their sex when necessary to reproduce

Its very unlikely that Meraxes just had 1 egg... almost certainly, Silverwing (and perhaps Dreamfyre too) also came from Meraxes clutch of eggs. Saying this cause Meraxes was white and golden, Silverwing was silver, and so was Quicksilver. Silverwing is the mother of Syrax and Sunfyre which, based on color pattern, further support the argument that Silverwing has to be Meraxes "daughter" and Syrax and Sunfyre her "grand-children". Grey Ghost is most likely (due to color) the son of Silverwing as well, thus also a descendant of Meraxes.

@mursi2734

Жыл бұрын

From where did the red from caraxes and meleys appeared tho? No other dragon before them was red?

@DraconimLt

Жыл бұрын

@@mursi2734 Vermithor's bronze or Sheepstealer's brown mixed with whichever paler female they had the eggs with maybe? Or an unnamed ancestor passed down a red scale gene? GRRM also describe Vhagar as Bronze with green-blue highlights once.

@mursi2734

Жыл бұрын

@@DraconimLt while i can understand it with vermithor sheep stealer is younger than caraxes and meleys i think.

@DraconimLt

Жыл бұрын

@@mursi2734 maybe, maybe not. Sheepstealer hatched 'in or after 34 AC', it never said when Caraxes did at all (though he was both 'young' and rideable in 72 AC), from this I always thought Sheepstealer was at least slightly older than Caraxes, but now looking in more detail, I'm not so sure! Vermithor was hatched in 34-35 AC, and was 'nearly 100' years old when he died in 130 AC. Sheepstealer was hatched 'in or after 34 AC' and 'well over 50' at the start of the Dance. Problem is this isn't specific, and we don't know the exact year or how much over 50. We DO know that Sheepstealer hatched when King Jaehaerys I Targaryen "was still young", and he was born IN 34 AC, so Sheepstealer could have hatched anytime in the next 20-30 years really! In other words, he could be anywhere from the same age as Vermithor to several years younger than Caraxes! Depends on the dates Caraxes and Sheepstealer hatched, which we don't know. They could even be siblings from the same clutch for all we know! Makes sense if they and Meleys were siblings by colours: red, red, and brown. More sense than the random colours in this vid at least. From that Vermithor probably is older. Probably old enough to be Caraxes parent at least, maybe even Sheapstealer's, if he is 'only' 70ish to Vermithor's almost 100, though that would mean he was born *way* after 34 AC, in about 60 AC... we just don't know enough to be sure, which is why this vid is just pure guesswork.

@mursi2734

Жыл бұрын

@@DraconimLt What would happen if you mix the silver of silverwing and the bronce of vermithor? which colors would get created

I do think Dragon sex is a real thing especially to mix the genes of different kinds in the gene pool. However it may not be necessary for the eggs to hatch. I'm pretty sure Caraxes was father of Vermax,Arrax etc. They look like a mixture between the sets of genes Caraxes and Syrax would bring.

@nonjabulomangoro1871

Жыл бұрын

I like to think of them like chickens

@leventmerlinsavana4554

9 ай бұрын

when syrax lay their eggs caraxes was very far away but seasmoke was in kingslanding.

@joshuaadams6565

9 ай бұрын

@@leventmerlinsavana4554 That’s an interesting observation. But it’s clear by the design that they’re meant to be Syrax and Caraxes offspring. In the show we know Syrax laid at least one clutch of eggs. We know this as Rhaenyra tells Viserys and Alicent that if syrax brings fourth *another* clutch then Aemond can have one of the eggs. Dragons tend to lay in clutch’s of three. We see this with Drogon, Rhaegal and viserion. We see it with the clutch Daemon found (they were probably Stormcloud, Morning and little viserys egg which never hatched). So it’s safe to assume Vermax, Arrax and Tyraxes were all laid in the same clutch of eggs. Jace had a cradle egg which means Syrax probably laid her eggs before Jace was even born. There would have been enough time for Caraxes to have got Syrax pregnant. Plus we don’t know when Daemon actually left, was it a day or 3 years after Rhaenyras wedding? Can dragons store sperm like reptiles in our own world? How did Dreamfyre make prince Baelons egg? It was only her and Syrax in the dragonpit at the time. The only possible explanation would be Caraxes when he came to visit her from the vale.

@joshuaadams6565

9 ай бұрын

@@leventmerlinsavana4554 Sorry for such the long explanation. In short, I think Syrax and Caraxes mated on Rhaenyras wedding night. Then syrax gave birth to a clutch of three dragons around the time jace was born (around a year after the wedding). That clutch would have been Vermax, Arrax and Tyraxes. Dragons usually give birth to three eggs at a time, I doubt Rhaenyra would throw them away. They probably just kept them. Although I might have to rewatch the scene where Jace and Luke pick out Joffreys egg. I’m not sure if they picked one of Syrax’s or a random egg from the dragonpit.

Dragons like Quicksilver did came from Meraxes and probably also did Syrax and Sunfyre since they were golden and white like Meraxes. Eggs can hatch later on, 20 years after doesnt really mean much. They can be holded and wait to be hatched later on.

@Lookie752

Жыл бұрын

It’s not 20yrs, it’s 80🤨

@Alejojojo6

Жыл бұрын

@@Lookie752 ?? No, the age difference between Quicksilver and Dreamfyre or Silverwing is around 20-30 years, not 80. Silverwing and Quicksilver were probably from the same clutch of eggs laid by Meraxes. Syrax and Sunfyre also come from Meraxes line, but not in the same Generation as Quicksilver, most like they were their offspring or that of Silverwing based on dates and coloring. All this dragons are golden/silver in color like Meraxes, suggesting they are directly related.

@joshuaadams6565

Жыл бұрын

@@Alejojojo6 Yep. Meraxes Quicksilver, Dreamfyre, Silverwing Syrax, Sunfyre

I find it mind blowing how there’s still a big chunk of map still unexplored and how there’s still could or be more mística beings out there too for all we know there’s so much still there’s places on the future books panda with úntame dragons

All The House of Dragon Dragons, brilliant, U could not have thought of any better way at saying that. Im speechless, we need more people like this in our world.

I feel like meraxes laid more eggs cause there are three breeds of dragons and since balerion had similar skull shape to drogon and vhagar I think has the horse like skull ( judging by the trailer) similar to syrax and meraxes should have the canine like features similar to caraxes I don't maybe

Yes just what I’ve been looking for… thanks 🙌🏾

My personal headcannon: First of, I think Dreamfyre is the mother/grandmother of like 90% of the HOTD era dragons since she laid a ridiculous amount of eggs. It doesn't really matter who laid Dreamfyre's egg though. It could be Vhagar, Meraxes, or maybe her egg was laid by an older dragon before Aegonls conquest. I do, however, think she is the mother of (at least) Meleys, Seasmoke and Dany's trio, to name a few. (Seasmoke does look a lot like Dany's three dragons, and Dreamfyre is like a carbon copy). Caraxes could have come from her as well. I wonder if Syrax is the offspring of Silverwing. Maybe it'll be revealed when we finally see Silverwing and what she looks like.

@mikemaraj9957

Жыл бұрын

Caraxes has to be from dreamfyers clutch since him and meleys come from the same clutch

It's always good to see where the dragons began at the very beginning.

So did you personally commission that absolutely gorgeous dragon infographics that you show throughout the video (Like for Balerion or the Cannibal), or are they from an official book? I would definitely like to see more of them!

@targonyt7258

Жыл бұрын

After Vhagar im want sooo much see Balerion the Black Dread

@lochlanensign5034

Жыл бұрын

@@targonyt7258 and I think we will eventually I hate waiting but I guess that's all that we can do hopefully they make a HBO TV series of the conquest

Didn't George state that male can switch to female at any point in time? Drogon is Balerions boy.

@JH7xXCampus

Жыл бұрын

Yup it’s said they can be both and just because one dragon is bigger does that mean it’s older 👀

@Solo-Skywalker

Жыл бұрын

@@JH7xXCampus Drogon versus Caraxes is a perfect example of age and size. Drogon was only 7

@predatorexiliado784

Жыл бұрын

Not eso solo es un invento de los fans

@Hydra-og6jf

Жыл бұрын

@@Solo-Skywalker that's only in the show,they exaggerated the size of drogon.

@qsoraww5229

Жыл бұрын

@@predatorexiliado784 no it isn’t George definitely said this

Makes sense that Drogon was so large then, as he came from a Dragon before they had started to become stunted.

Very informative... This can b asked in our exams.... Thank u

GRR has said there's 3 types of dragon, 3 different breeds. Dreamfire couldn't be in the same line as Carxies/Drogon as the latter are different breeds.

@moony5097

Жыл бұрын

It depends on how dragon genetics works. It could be that if dragons of two different breeds are bred together, you would have some of one breed and some of other in the clutch rather than crossbreeds

@guifdcanalli

Жыл бұрын

Caraxes isnt one of those types, they already said he is defective and couldnt even fly properly if it wasnt for his leg wings

@joshuaadams6565

Жыл бұрын

@@guifdcanalli He is the “wolf skull” type. He’s just got a long neck, we will see more with his skull but a shorter neck and less serpentine body.

@s8theninjawarrior916

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuaadams6565 his skull is one thing, his body shape is another, the producers said Caraxes is somewhat deformed

@agrimmeon9308

Жыл бұрын

@@s8theninjawarrior916 And they implied his long and lanky body was the deformity. Not his head shape, which is clearly canine inspired.

Meraxes is definitely the mother to dreamfyre as they look like Drogon and his siblings. Dreamfyre is the mother of Seasmoke (the same resemblance as him), Drogon, Viserion, and Rhaegal…I’m sure there’s a lot more who were hatched from Dreamfyre’s clutch as she was the most fertile female dragon aside from Syrax

@nicolaspinto76

7 ай бұрын

Dreamfyre born nearly 20 years after the death of Mera es. Ironic, Vhagar is the ancester of all Targaryens dragons, but Viseyna line after her son. Rhaenys is the ancestor of all Targaryens, but the line of Meraxes end with Quicksilver.

Very well explained 👍🏻

So the title 'Mother of Dragon' actually goes to Vhagar, who devoured her great grandchild and killed by her grandchild. But stll wonder why Caraxes, if hatched from the eggs of Drramfyre, looks so different than Meleys or Drogon. Could be from a different father, but there's no mention of Dragon mating.

Excellent video bro! But Tyraxes was Joffrey's dragon and Arrax was Luke's dragon. Minor mistake there but great video!!

The cannibal wasn’t on dragonstone before aegon arrived because if he was then he’d be bigger than vhagar. People just say that because it’s a rumour. Also meraxes was younger than vhagar, because George said that meraxes was proof that a younger dragon could be bigger than an older one

@jellevanalthuis5289

Жыл бұрын

ah, someone ho actually read the books i see :P

@andrelascasas3156

Жыл бұрын

I agree that the Cannibal came later, but you just contradicted your own argument there.

@charlieswanney8610

Жыл бұрын

@@andrelascasas3156 how so? I don’t think that the cannibal was anywhere near the size of vhagar, more vermithor and silverwing sized, dragons being bigger despite age has a limit

@andrelascasas3156

Жыл бұрын

@@charlieswanney8610 you said a younger dragon can be bigger than an older one, so Cannibal being smaller than Vhagar cannot be the reason why he has to be younger than Vhagar

@charlieswanney8610

Жыл бұрын

@@andrelascasas3156 that’s like saying that syrax could be bigger than vermithor. Yes younger dragons can be bigger, but not bigger than dragons that have 50+ years on them that would just be stupid

I wanna see Balerion and Carnnibel so bad I hope they make spin offs ofr Aegon's Conquest and Robert Baratheon Rebellion Hope We could see Carnnibel in Later Season of HOTD

This is exactly what I've been looking for for a while finding out about the targaryen's dragons family tree I'm not sure if you know this but However, according to Barth and Maester Aemon, dragons have no fixed gender, but are “now one and now the other, as changeable as flame”. So I believe that means dragons are neither male nor female at least in the world of Fire and Ice ! Great video though

Well,iirc, in Asoiaf, Dragons are hermaphroditic, so can't totally rule out "males" as being mothers

@qwastnm7320

Жыл бұрын

Lol no that is just a theory put forwars by a septon, far beyond a fact. In fact they are most likely not hermaphroditic cause if they were then all dragons would lay eggs.

@guruxara7994

Жыл бұрын

It's not proven, probably it's false, that's why some Dragons never laid eggs.

.. and I like ur theory on Rhaegal viserion and drogon maybe being dreamfyres 🤔👍🏽

Are u correct? Seems Vhagar gave birth to entire generations of dragons & beyond.. almost all of em!

00:44 What's the name of this picture? And where can I find it?

Sad... Caraxes and his grandmother, Vhagar, killed each other during The Battle Beneath the Gods Eye.

@nasirisrarhussain4477

Жыл бұрын

And Vhagar killing Arrax is like a great grandmother killing her great grandchild.

@marioenrique1743

Жыл бұрын

The Battle Above* the God's Eye. The Battle Beneath the God's Eye was the one where Maegor Targaryen alongside Balerion the Black Dread killed his nephew Aegon the Uncrowned and his dragon Quicksilver.

Hello thank you for your video (I read the books but I had never taken the knowledge of the family tree of dragons). One question however: are my eyes betraying me or have you forgotten the dragon from Aegon 2 targaryen? I am French who does not speak or understand English well. Thank you and good continuation

@alanroy2820

Жыл бұрын

Sunfyre ? Oupsss sorry

@alanroy2820

Жыл бұрын

Sunfyre oups sorry

@alanroy2820

Жыл бұрын

sunfyre oups sorry

Where is the website I can find all the photos to the dragon information

Whilst Syrax producen most of the young eggs, it is sure Dreamfyre produced many others.

One issue that throws this whole video out if true. According to Barth and Maester Aemon, dragons have no fixed gender, they can apparently change it if they wish. So the named as male dragons such as Balerion can't necessarily be ruled out if that is so. So many mistakes/pure guesswork made too: I've seen Quicksilver referred to as male in some sources and female in different ones, but regardless, he/she was born in 7 AC. You said 10 to 20 AC. No actual evidence for why Meleys and Caraxes had to be from Dreamfyres eggs either. Or Seasmoke etc from Silverwing's, if too late to be from Dreamfyre's, why not from Meleys? Or just delayed hatching, do we know how long they take to hatch? 'All the wild dragons were males', Cannibal could have been female for all anyone knows, not like anyone could get close enough to check! Arrax was Lucerys' dragon, and Tyraxes was Joffrey's (HE was the youngest not Lucerys) - This whole video seems like a badly researched guessing game to me.

Can we get a full shot of the tree ? Plz 🥺

Good video :)))

You got Joffrey and lucerys age and dragons wrong it is the other way around

my question then is... to female dragons require a male dragon in order to hatch eggs or do they not need them? cuz if they do.. it be kinda amazing to see which of the male dragons bred with which female dragons and hatched which dragons. for example what if "drogon, is the dragon that hatched from dreamfyre, who hatched from vhagar eggs that she bred with balerion." just as an example. would be interesting to know this kind of stuff.

The images that you are showing are they from a book? Which one Please?

I have re-watch episode 1: Game of Thrones, it was mentioned that after the 3 petrified dragon eggs was gifted to Daenerys, It came from the Shadow Lands.. Meaning its from a different dragon on the old.. or there are wild dragons in the Shadow Lands which needs more content..

Thank you for making this

So is the egg that Daemon stole in EP2 Drogon then? The show says it's Dreamfyres egg and Meleys and Caraxes are obviously already hatched so it has to be one of Danys right?

@shibernyan2009

Жыл бұрын

The one Daemon 'borrowed' could be any of Dreamfyre's eggs. But it would be a cool easter egg for sure. The egg looked like Drogon's too.

in the 3rd episode of house of the dragon the little upclose glimpse of sea smoke it gives us his body and tail kinda resimble how drogon looks and meleys would be a different dread than ceraxes bc they both looks different 2 different breads so i dont think they came from the same cllutch as well as i dont think drogon viserions and rhaegal came from thats clutch either bc they look completely different to how ceraxe and meleys look aswell i think drogon rhaegal and viserions eggs are lost eggs from balerion and another bc drogons skull shape resembles balerions skull in the caverns also all the skulls of the dragons in game of thrones look like drogons so idk they kinda messed up the lore with that one and know its all confusing as shit

Where can i save this picture of the family tree??

In the show it doesn't make sense for Meleys and caraxes to be off spring of dreamfyre. It would make sense if Seasmoke was an off spring of dreamfyre as they seem to be the same breed. And I suspect Arrax and Vermax are the same species as Caraxes (caraxes just being a deformed version of that breed)

Sheepstealer was a wild dragon, didn't come from Vhagar also Dreamfyre laid more eggs after 49 AC. The egg for a Baelon, heir for a day, was Dreamfyre's. I Think you might need to do your research a bit better. Love your content but lots of these facts are incorrect

@qwastnm7320

Жыл бұрын

Baelon's egg could have come from the hatches before 50 AC. Sheepstealer was not always wild. But I agree this guy needs to do more research.

@Cboz1978

Жыл бұрын

@@qwastnm7320 Episode 2 said that egg came from Dreamfyre.

@fellino8049

Жыл бұрын

I thought the egg for Baelon was Sunfyre.

@qwastnm7320

Жыл бұрын

@@Cboz1978 So???

@joshuaadams6565

Жыл бұрын

@@qwastnm7320 True but if you want it to hatch wouldn’t you pick a fresh one?

Can anyone tell me if the dragons mated with each other to lay eggs or did the eggs just magically get conceived. Like is there a father and mother dragon? Because there is no mention about the relation between all the dragons. Like who did Vhagar mate with since there was only meraxes who was a female dragon

@raphaelhonore308

Жыл бұрын

There was Balerion too

Im curious about this: if dragon's get bigger as they age & size is a way to find out how old they are why is Drogon so big? Arrax hatched in crib with Luke so he's 14 yo in episode 10, if you compare Luke's size when on Arrax compared to Dany on Drogon why then if Arrax several years older yet it looks like Drogon is similar to vhagar in size when you compare the rider & dragon.

@gabrieldiaz980

Жыл бұрын

Drogon is smaller in the books

Meleys and Caraxes are killed by their own grandma Vhagar...

I know for a fact that Seasmoke was hatched from an egg of Dreamfyre.

For such an unremarkable dragon, Syrax sure did push them out.

Nice vid man I don't think its Greg Host its GreyGhost

Are the other dragon alive and they can have future generations of dragon after death of mother of dragon ?? curious about this 😁😁

As per you said If caraxis was born from dreamfyre than drogon and other two can't bcoz they're different than caraxis. And since there are three different types of Dragons they can't be from same mother

So can female dragons lay eggs without a male? I am assuming this because you do not mention the couple, but only the mother, when you talk about the eggs

Vhagar just out here eating her great grandchild like it’s nothing.

Wait Vhager was older than Meraxes but not bigger in your video you said Vhager is younger

So if they rode over on Balerion and Meraxes/Vhagar are 2/3 of the unnamed dragon eggs. Who’s the other dragon that hatched??

@charlieswanney8610

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Meraxes and vhagar were born on dragonstone, they didn’t ride over from Valyria like valerion did

Vhagar killed her own blood. Funny.

So deamfire is still alive in a dragon pit in House of the dragon episode 6 .. The dragon which aemond saw.. Am I correct.. Is that dreamfire 🥺

@Glamode

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yess and she is mother to vermax, rhaegal, viserion, drogon and many others I believe

@MARIO-tk8kn

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@@Glamode how is this possible ... 🤯

@marioenrique1743

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@@Glamode TF u talking about? Dreamfyre is mother to Caraxes and Meleys. Syrax is mother to Vermax, Arrax & Tyraxes and others. Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal eggs source is uknown.

are the eggsin the books also as tiny as in the show? thy make no sense relative to the sizes of the dragons. basically all dragon eggs should require multiple people to move, and eggs from big dragons ought to weigh at least a ton

can young griff blackfyre ride caniball at the end of song of ice and fire ?

so....Vhagar is Drogon' grandfather!

@marioenrique1743

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grandmother, and what he's explaining here that Drogon comes from Dreamfyre is a theory, it has never been confirmed by GRRM.

so that would mean... Drogon is Vhagar's grandson

I am thinking that the eggs could be silverwings, AS we don’t know what happens to her after the dance.

Interesting... I heard, that the dragons in HotD are 3 different breeds/ species (horse, wolf and t-rex or so?), but seeing this familytree crushes that statement. Even if all the dragons from the time of Aegons conquest were different breeds/ species at the start, the interbreeding would make them all either a new breed or a mix between the three breeds/ species by the time of HotD. Either way, it's cool to see the familytree of our favourite dragons

@thalmoragent9344

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True, I feel that slight variations would've been ok but... entire different sub species doesn't make as much sense. They all came from Valyria and considering how large and far they spread... I mean, how would there be such a variety in a small area the whole species lived? I guess the Wild Dragons that existed around the place may have added to the variety but not many seemed to have bred with the tamed ones

@lemuelsolitario9548

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How would you know if it's a (horse, wolf, or trex) breed/species?

@thalmoragent9344

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@@lemuelsolitario9548the shape of the skull. Syrax has a horse skull, it's slightly longer than most. Caraxes the Bloodworm has a wolf head. Vhagar, sorta like Drogon and his brothers, have a more T-Rex look

@lv9848

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@@thalmoragent9344 yeah true! I see so many people say that they are different breeds. I mean Caraxes looks cool and is explainable with f'd up genetics due to all the inbreeding. But given that they are all closely related it doesn't make much sense to have them all look so different from onantoher. If anything they should look alike even more, just like offspring usually (not always, i know) closely resembles their parents. But idk, afterall I am not a dragon geneologist xD

@thalmoragent9344

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@@lv9848 Yeah me neither 😅 a little differences I could see, like maybe the 3 head shapes could stay but the bodies should all still be mostly the same, and perhaps the head they get could also affect their horn pattern. So slight deviation I can see, but... such major differences in the entire body despite the relation is odd At least Sea Smoke seems to be similar to Drogon and Vhagar and the likes

its so sad targaryens made the extinctions of dragons

The cannibal is probably the father of drogon, rhaegal, and viserion.

Vhegar - original mother of all dragons ❤🔥😍😍

If Game of Thrones continued and they made more seasons, how big, do you think, Drogon would be? Do you think in the future he would be as big as Balerion?

@shibernyan2009

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I feel like Drogon is special and if he continues to live for a long time in the wild (which seems very likely, with few threats to his life being around), he will probably be the biggest/most powerful dragon to ever exist.

@kakwa

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Drogon's growth is actually quite terrifying. Usually, a dragon needs to grow for ~10 years just to be able to support his rider (a bit less if the rider is a child). Drogon is able to do so only 1 or 2 years after his birth (in the books at least).

@shibernyan2009

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@@kakwa Viserion and Rhaegal weren't far behind him, guess they were all special.

So weird that a few of the female dragons only laid one or 2 clutches of eggs.

Thankyouuu

Were there other dragons alive during Game of the Thrones?

There are a couple of problems with this tree. There were three dragons in Dreamfyre's clutch that hatched in 50 ac not two, and the third should be Sheepstealer. Dreamfyre also had three clutches so you are missing one there.

@mindq4328

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There were no dragon names that corresponds to the eggs 🤷🏻‍♂️ as for sheepstealer hatched when Jaehaerys was still young, therefore he's vhagar's offspring

@qwastnm7320

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@@mindq4328 Jaehaerys was born in 34 AC and you wrote Sheepstealer to be born in 34 AC, that is not "still young" that is beiong newborn. If you would have wrote him being born in 50 AC like i said then it would still be when Jaehaerys was still young(14 yo).

@mathguy97

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@@qwastnm7320 I dont think that 14 can be considered "young" within the context of GoT

@qwastnm7320

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@@mathguy97 Lol it absolutely can wtf. You arent a man until you are 16 and even then you are considered young. I'm sorry but your comment is gigant reach and definitely does not make sense.

I wish the research would have taken us to fact that beneath Winterfell, there were eggs... laid there by Vermax when a Targeryan came to visit Cregan... Why is snow falling in the Godswood, melting as it touches the ground in ADWD? Vermax you sneaky beast 😏 Though Old Nan did not think so, and she'd lived longer than any of them. "Dragons,' she said, lifting her head and sniffing. She was near blind and could not see the comet, yet she claimed she could smell it. be dragons, boy," she insisted. Bran got no princes from Nan, no more than he ever had. Search the crypts... There's a dragon in there. Like Aemon, Sheira Targeryan... Umm... I mean Old Nan can smell it's volcanic rotten egg scented breaths 😏

@Inuwoodx

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This is no fact, it's a legend. And it's treated as such in "Fire and Blood".

@queens2nd2none

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@@Inuwoodx I literally suggested that I wish this "research" in this video would have lead us to the fact that... I know none of these suggestions have been proven. This was literally a wishlist of a reply. Me expressing that all this talk of dragons, when I clicked would have included one more thing, dragon eggs beneath Winterfell. I asked why the snow is melting in the Godswood... Hopeful there be dragons but not claiming it outright. In my mind the signs and suggestions point to but I know in this world very little is as clear cut as it seems. Good chance these Easter eggs don't mean anything. Bran seeing fire and flames through the eyes of Summer, smelling and tasting ash when Theon sacked Winterfell could have been a dragon at some point... And it just as well could have just been soldiers burning it the ground. I'm here for the possibilities. Never said it was this or that... I was only hopefully it was one of the two and wished this research proved there was a dragon reason for the waters to run warm in Winterfell... That's all

Drogon is bigger then meraxss and Caracas imo cause he looks and has a bigg wingspan

Vermax although supposed male, it is said that was female and had offspring in the north. Also, male and female regarding dragons is a just a supposition

So Melleys is Princess Rhaenys Targaryen's dragon, the one that "crashed" the coronation?

@marioenrique1743

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yes

A dragon being larger doesn’t mean it’s older. George RR Martin has stated the dragons all grow at different rates.

@cameo86

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As we see with Dany's dragons. Hatched at the same point, but Drogon is bigger. Wasn't there also a theory that Drogon might be bigger because he had the chance to roam free while the two others were kept in chains?

So vhagar actually is caraxes grandmother and now they're gonna kill each other

Didn't they say they brought hundreds of Dragon Eggs from Old Valyria and all hatching dragons are eggs from Old Valyria, that are stored somewhere in Kings Landing and laid into the cradle of Targaryen Babys? And not every Targaryen Egg does hatch, so no one knows how many of the eggs have value and how many are already dead? So it's possible they are somewhat related but we have no idea how? For all we know the 3 known breeds could all be siblings. There is a reason why they we dying out and becoming smaller and smaller, since they are far away from Old Valyria?

Let's see this.

Mayles and caraxys look like wolf headed dragons. Doesn't make sense that Drogon etc came from Dreamfire as well. They look like different species.

@mehhandle

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Do dragons breed? I'm not sure if grrm has said how dragons are hatched, but if they do need to breed, it would explain the difference in species depending on who their father is.

I thought Martin said that the sex of the dragons did not matter to lay eggs... Anyway, I will stick to Martin's explanations.

0:02 I can do see also M just she was going

Por que dices que Vhagar es madre de Dreamfyre, Vermithor, Silver Wing y Sheepstealer? El los libros jamas mencionan eso, no mientas ni hagas cree que tu invento es canon porque no lo es.

The Targaryen dynasty is very interesting,i think im gonna buy dance of the dragons

You know this would make sense as to why the dragons got smaller and weaker as the generations when on as they where doing more and more inbreading which lines up well with the targaryens riders doing more and more inbreading causing problems, and this would technically make danys dragons 3rd generation dragons in the same league as caraxes as both of them mother is dreamfyre, explains why they are so big they are from the genetic line where dragons where still big and healthy realitivly, Also side note I fully believe balerion mated with both vaghar and meraxes meaning that balerion basically killed his son in quicksilver, and him and vaghar are the progenitor of all dragons of westeros

@quailjailss

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Yup isn’t that terrible. Ole mama vhagar out there killing all her children and grand children. Some species aren’t affected by inbreeding, but keeping dragons in confinement also limited their growth and contributed to decrease in overall size

@stormerjc9493

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@@quailjailss I would say that it was a variety of factors that led to the dragons down fall being a combo of - inbreeding - being confined in the dragon pit - the dance if dragons killing off most of the healthy adults - And possibly a lack of blood sacrifice magic if you believe that the valyrians made dragons with blood magic

@quailjailss

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@@stormerjc9493 don’t forget the maesters handy work! Yes I do believe they created them with wyverns with blood magic. I never considered the sacrifices… assuming this took place in the 14 flames? But aegon the younger could have easily saved the line of Targaryen dragons imo. Since he was so terrified of them, get viserys to claim silverwing, summon nettles to dragonstone wherever she is, and add morning to the 3 of them on dragonstone. 2 females and 1 male should have been plenty to give eggs to all the Targaryen children born after the dance. Baela and rhaena’s kids and everyone else who could potentially be a rider. They seemed to do better on dragonstone and even if silverwing was approaching the last fertile years where she could produce eggs at least morning could have.

@stormerjc9493

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@@quailjailss yeah maesters forgot that never looked into exactly what they could have done to the dragons, is it like posion to slowly weaken them? Would make sense with the ones hatched after the dance The sacrifice I would believe would be a big part of basically everything to do with the valyrian culture and how they managed to do so much of what they did, that might be another factor I sorta missed is the amount I'd magic in the world would have decrease significantly which combined with everything else might explain why the last dragons got so small and weak after the dance Also I believe they did hatch dragons after morning but they where all small misshapen creatures that never lived long like the last dragon and they lost the magic that they had to hatch dragons properly, as to why there's many reasons, probably due to a combo of maesters conspiracy and and king aegon the 3rd haterd of dragons, plus sheepsteeler and nettles went off to gods knows where and probably wouldn't have listened anyway so that breeding plan probably wouldn't have worked and that's before you dabble in the maesters and other potential outside forces, so there was a lot riding against dragons after the civil war

@quailjailss

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@@stormerjc9493 I mean she either went to essos or the vale. I think eventually they could have found her. Especially once she was given the info about who sat the throne and why she was asked back. Yes there were some hatched after the war but like I said who knows what the maesters did when they had a kid sit the throne. They could do whatever they wanted with the dragons left… Also they were hatched in kings landing where it is said that they thrive on dragonstone or any other volcanic island. So maybe the dragonlings hatched on dragonstone would have been stronger.

The problem with this videos is that it's entirely expectation, Im sure GRRM never thought about dragons family trees...

Wasn't Meleys a female too? Did none of her eggs hatch (I'm assuming she laid eggs since that's how one can know whether a dragon is a female or not right)? Also isn't it possible eggs remained dormant for a long time without hatching? So maybe some of the younger generations came from other mothers but simply hatched after the death of the mothers.

@cringecat3614

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I thought Seasmoke was her offspring, since Rhaenys and Meleys were living in Driftmark and Laenor was born there, and Rhaenys placed Seasmoke's egg on his crib. She was the only female on the island, the only dragon even, I believe, the others were either at Dragonstone or King's Landing.

Now I wish the direwolves also reproduced

according to house of the dragon series sunfire hatched from one of dreamfire's eggs.

In GRRM book lucerys is the youngest? Bcoz in HOTD shows joffrey is/was!

@marioenrique1743

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yeah he got that wrong. Luke is mid kid and Joff the youngest.

After seeing this it kinda makes me wonder where Drogon went again. I know it was presumed Essos, Asshai/Pentos/Shadowlands. But I wonder if he is the only dragon left. Lets hope he can find a mate in Essos, or the dragon heritage is basically screwed. Since a dynasty was created after the Great War, and Season 8 of GoT, its probably likely hes the only one left. Which would suck.

@Anesa100

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World is so big that I hope there are some dragons in other parts. For example shadowlands.

@pearvar77

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It's confirmed that there're ice dragons in the North. Speaking just about fire dragons, there will be always someway to make dragon eggs hatch.

@ahnafkhan6997

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It's not certain whether or not dragons need mates to lay eggs, they can just lay them. maybe drogon went off to lay some eggs who knows.

@pincessenico4566

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George clarified that there is no other dragons in the ''known world''. So dragons will go extinct. Targaryens are too selfish to care for the dragons line. Dragons age is over. Unless another human find egss and hatch them with magics ? But i doubt it will happen and the author will never finish the book,s he lost passion

@Slurpified

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@@pincessenico4566 Yes i know thats why i was saying the heritage could be screwed cause Drogon is the only known dragon left.

Meraxes was bigger than vhagar at the time if the conquest however vhagar was older