Tar holding tank mods.
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Hey guys, here is a rather short video of adding a pipe fitting onto a tar storage tank. I have a couple of pointers that you may be able to glean off of. Hopefully you catch them. Kick back for a few minutes, maybe a coffee break or an extended rest room break and check it out. Thanks for the support and I'll get back to the bigger repairs soon. The videos are there but the editing takes up most of the time. Thus the shorter quick jobs for the moment. Thanks again and I hope you dig it.
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older machinist told me years back " nothing's easy" it was true for me.
Internet experts out in force on this one . Nice job Isaac
@xoxo2008oxox
13 күн бұрын
Ha. But also helpful comments like what - where to get weldable fittings. Or how to keep the goPro cool - TIP get external power cable and remove the internal battery. And for external power, you can use a USB to Milwaulkee adaptor for M18 batteries to power GoPro.
Thank you, I am a back yard fabricator/blacksmith and I always learn a new trick watching you. I DON'T miss your videos.
2:50 Got to LOVE an honest customer!! .. Can't imagine trying to cut and weld that with 3 inches of tar in the bottom!!! .. Nice one!! Clean as a whistle!!! Note all the lateral bracing inside the tank .. very strong!
To anyone who thinks cutting the lateral beams partially, was a structural issue?: The beams are actually working as ties holding the frame rails together. The tank is mounted to the rails that are spaced at less than the tank diameter. So weight of the tank is thus supported ( beamed out) on the rails which are still tied together by the laterals even though partially cut through. Isaac was exactly right in also saying the tank is part of the structure as it is welded to the rails. Belt and braces you see. Well done Isaac. Your judgement is correct as usual.
Welding on a used tank, no matter what was/is inside is always a nightmare. Thanks for the video, glad the weld turned out well.
Have been watching your videos for a couple of years you inspire me I've been weldingfor 36 years I had my own small industrial fabrication and welding buisness I shut down when covid hit it dried up my work and I was a small mobile outfit anyway I love your videos you just do your jobs you do things the best you can and take pride in your work you also are not afraid to show your mistakes and things that go wrong I admire that not one of those pretty boy golden arm welders😶 just real welding and repair great job keep it up 👍
@ICWeld
8 күн бұрын
Thanks bud, just trying to keep it real!
Welders do it in all positions! 😂👍
I'm glad for once that your customer didn't lie about that being a clean new tank. It should work great for years now.
Your cardboard "creeper" is in much better shape than mine. Someone spilled used motor oil all over the one in my garage. Reminds me I need to throw that thing in the trash. 😊
Thanks for the lesson on backwards cutting! Great video Isaac, as always you got it done! Thanks!
As always great video As for all the arm chair welders out there this isn't a how to video it's a "HOW I DID IT" video I like that you still respond to some of the comments. Most of the channels I watch do not THANKS AGAIN
I would've gone with a threaded 3M (3000lb) fitting. Very beefy and solid then use sch 80 pipe just for durability with a 3M threaded 90 or socket weld.. Just my 2 cents, I know everyone has to work with a budget too. Great vid as always
@MikeBaxterABC
11 күн бұрын
I've used those weld specific fittings too .. but I didn't BUY them :) .. maybe they are pricy or hard t find locally? The tank itself looks like 1/8" so it probably doesn't matter much :) The weak point is at the male pipe thread where it joins ,, threaded pipe is really thin there
*I C Weld* Bravo well done, thank-you sir for taking the time to bring us along. GOD Bless.
Thanks for sharing. Always enjoy your videos.
Hell running tar through it it'll never leak and we've all seen asphalt trucks that look like they dumped it over the top inside of in the tank, I think you did one hell of a job
I dub thee "Master Freehand". Darn, you are so good! Crawling on the ground and using a torch etc with such precision.
When I started watching this i was like *tar* tank...what?! I agree with you that doing work of any kind(cutting, welding, etc) on this if it was previously used would definitely not go well - no matter how well it got cleaned, that stuff gets everywhere! Thats a nice bed for one of these blacktop sealing rigs. I usually see these on beat up trucks with a tank strapped to the back completely covered in blacktop sealer(not really tar) all over the entire backside of one of these trucks - it literally gets everywhere on these rigs - usually! That tank is pretty cool too, with the mixing paddle inside it to keep the solids in suspension inside the tank. Nice setup though.
@BrooksMoses
13 күн бұрын
I was thinking, when he mentioned that he wasn't going to clean up some of the rough edges, that it wouldn't matter if he did because pretty soon you wouldn't see it through the tar anyway!
@wayneswonderarium
13 күн бұрын
@@BrooksMosesProbably seal up any leaks on those threads too
13:28 - that's galvanic zinc coating/ plating. In contrast to hot-dip zinc coating, it's really thin. Some sources say it's between 0.008 and 0.015 mm others say it's between 0.035 and 0.1 mm (that'd be 0.0003 to 0.0006" and 0.0014 to 0.004" respectively), or basically NOTHING. This coat is put on steel using electrolysis process, and the longer it is done the thicker the coat - it's basically the same process as chromium or nickel plating, the only difference is that since zinc is a very active metal it has to be passivated after it. There are two types of zinc passivating, one using chromates ("golden" finish) and the other one using, AFAIR, phosphates (silvery finish), but I might be wrong on it, and at any rate from welder's viewpoint that galvanic/ electrolysis plating is like a snowflake on a hot stove plate - it disappears the moment it touches it, and so does galvanic zinc coating. The moment the arc strikes, it's gone (and whatever zinc oxide will be produced and breathed in, it'd be most likely below your recommended daily zinc intake level). So whenever I'm to weld anything galvanic zinc coated I just weld it as it is - and when I'm to weld anything hot-dip coated I just grind off a starting point (in case I'm too lazy to do so I just "clean off" zinc with the arc) and then I try to stay on a windward side of the job and hold back my breath as long as I can. If you move the puddle slowly enough all the zinc will evaporate completely right in the front of it (the boiling point of zinc is a mere 907 °C/ 1665 °F, way below ≈ 3000°C/ 5400°F of an electric arc. Also, while "too much zinc" is tad "unhealthy", it ain't any big deal - in the worst case you'll experience flu-like symptoms in the evening (fever and cramps - been there once or twice, no fun but then nothing to write home about either - a severe hangover is much worse) but the resistance to "zinc poisoning" (or a "tolerance to zinc") develops real fast, but it wears off just as quickly - hence "Monday fever" for zinc smelter workers. "Back then" when people actually worked on Saturdays, one day break (Sunday) was enough to lost the resistance, hence Monday evening was kinda rotten - but then the rest of the week was OK.
@bobblick7963
12 күн бұрын
Thanks for the info and insights regarding difference between chromate/electro and hot dip. I've noticed the same but not been able to verbalize it as succinctly as you(with metrics, bonus), thanks!
@MrKotBonifacy
12 күн бұрын
@@bobblick7963 Be my guest : )
Nice quick job, great work as always.
Variety is the spice of life.
Tank looks like an asphalt seal tank with a sprayer pump.
it looks like that bed set is New Old Stock, and then it Sat Out for A LONGASS TIME. The cable on the winch tells the story: Never been unspooled, factory neat lay, but rusted all to hell
The date on your gloves...🤙
You always get the good jobs!! Good work Isaac!--you always do go work! Thanks for sharing!
Isaac, Always a professional job done by you. Whenever I needed to weld a bung I always would use a “Black Schedule 80 Forged Steel Coupling”. Cut them in half so you end up with two pieces. I used them for many reasons, First is that they accept being beveled and welded on with no issues. Second is that no matter how tight a pipe is screwed into them the fitting will not distort which helps to make a leak proof joint. Third is that they will far outlast the anything else. I never liked tank bungs that would be below the liquid level as the fitting threads distort too much when they are welded thus being hard to get the joint to seal. Not a big deal with tar, but it is a big deal when it would be for diesel fuel. They can be obtained from most industrial suppliers like Grainger. Thank you.
@ICWeld
12 күн бұрын
Thank you for mentioning that. there have been other comments that have suggested the same. definitely food for thought. I'll know for next time.
@gregorycross612
12 күн бұрын
Yep, works great! I had a bunch of seal leak detection vestles made and this is how we made the pipe connections into the sump reservoirs. Have a good day!
Awesome job Isaac you explain what you do so the layman can follow and understand thank you from Tasmania Australia 🇦🇺
Mr Cruz, I've watched you figuring things out for a while now, and I'm still impressed. Lovely, careful work.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching your videos thank you for the lessons
May I suggest next time, go to a Hydraulic repair shop, they have steel pipe fittings 👍
@ICWeld
13 күн бұрын
Good idea! I was unsure of what to get. I was definitely Not putting on that Cast piece though!😁😁😁
@robertoobregon3750
13 күн бұрын
Usually go to Freguson plumbing supply and get the 3000 psi fittings which are steel.
@user-dn4iv2ne6r
13 күн бұрын
A bung fitting might have worked there.
@legionofanon
13 күн бұрын
They make weld O-lets for welding on a pipe fitting to, well normally, the side of a pipe, im sure you could have found one that would have served your job
@rubenmolina8849
13 күн бұрын
Why not use a welded elbow and weld the pipe on the tank. There's no use of using a thread fitting and elbow if you can't remove it.
Love your content sir. We all do things differently and I always appreciate watching how you do things. I get plenty of my ideas from you!
Curious why you didn't just weld the pipe end to the tank instead of using the fitting. Chances are the pipe dope may be compromised by the heat and there will be no way to remove and fix it later. Always multiple ways of doing a job. Thanks for sharing.
@ICWeld
13 күн бұрын
Great point
@MrKotBonifacy
12 күн бұрын
@@ICWeld That "heat induced breakdown" dawned on me too few hours after I posted my first comment here, and my recommendation in scenario like that (i.e. "below charring point" heat, yet strong and constant heat anyway - I reckon 200°C/ 400°F or something close to it) I'd use old style hemp or flax fibre packing, as used by plumbers "back then" in the days before fancy PTFE tapes and newfangled magic potions like that yellow goo ;-) Of course you'd need to use some lubricant with this fibre packing, since there is too much resistance from these fibres when they are "dry" - normally old school plumbers would use a dab of regular grease (i.e. mineral oil thickened with calcium soap - or lithium soap nowadays) but here I'd use a regular vegetable oil - with time it will harden due to oxidation (accelerated here by constant heating) which would seal the joint shut.
Thank you for sharing,, another great job, always a good moment watch your video, i learn a lot 👍👍👍👍
Hey Issac, my father in law was a steam fitter. He was my source for weld fittings for pipe and tanks. You may have been able to put a pipe union on a short nipple by the tank to help make it more serviceable in the future. Like your original fears, you ain't welding that once there's been tar in there. I bought a flatbed from a highway paving contractor and it had a 50 gallon hot tar saddle tank on it. I may have been able to get the tar out by heating the outside with a rose bud torch but decided I didn't want anything to do with it! The local scrap yard got a little tar with the steel!😮 Thanks
Good job. I would’ve just welded that elbow pointed down with a plug. It was just a drain. Have a good one sir 👍🏼
Great video. Everything you do is very interesting
@ICWeld
12 күн бұрын
I appreciate that!
Thanks for an interesting video. From your neighbor in the Hill Country
Sir: Love your channel. By the way, that bright metal layer on the straight coupling is probably cadmium, a very deadly heavy metal. The high heat of welding will evaporate the metal and you could get poisoned. There are some serious health effects.
@abpsd73
7 күн бұрын
If it is a rigid conduit coupling as he said, it's bright zinc. In the shot after he assembles the fittings to the pipe, you can see he ground off the zinc coating in the weld area. He'll be fine.
Another great video! Thanks for the tip on cutting that double plated section. That is so good to know.
we used to call them merchant couplings
I used to repair similar tanks back in the 1980's, they had burners underneath to heat the tar, and the bottom of the barrel would eventually blow out, flooding the burner and by the time I got to the job, the tar was set solid 😂 trying to cut out the bottom half of the tank, that's filled with set tar, I'd often cause the thing to catch on fire 😂
3:20 It's an interesting unit though .. it's new, but it's like new old stock, see the rust on the little winch cable? That takes a LONG time to developed! It's been stored somewhere? .. Bet the customer got a REALLY good deal on it!
Pretty sure the electrical conduit coupler is straight thread, not taper. No need to be liquid tight.
@edjay395
13 күн бұрын
Yeah.. instead of NPT (national pipe taper), sparky fittings are NPS( national pipe straight)
thank you ignacio i learn something every time i watch your videos
Quite the culinary welding video! Thank you
Great work as always !! And thank you for teaching us some new ways of doing things....I am always eager to learn !! 👍👍
nice work
Isaac your skills are boundless. I am amazed at your ability to look at the situation and develop a plan, but then change your plan as the process unfolds. It's also good you're not claustrophobic isn't it? I was thinking this job would have been a good teaching experience for your son LOL. You could have supervised from the spacious garage while he did the tight work. As always, GREAT video.
Thank you for your videos.
Really enjoy your work! I learned stitch welding technique from you and it's worked out well for me.
Your _Pulse Weld_ looked like some of those crap Tik Tok welding videos but your weld unsurprisingly turned out really nice and didn't need an angle grinder and paint. 😁 *Thank you* for the video Isaac. 👍
Nice work IC
A'HO brother. Good well"up...
Crazy guy had so much money he never used it just let it rot for years
Not a bad job to do on a new tank, always interesting to watch your videos young man and read the comments. If it had been used and cleaned out it would be like a big fuel tank and would need a lot of inert gas to purge it of oxygen prior to welding. What also made this job tricky was that fact the tank body was on a trailer which makes things more awkward. Another fine installment young man!
With what looks like a conveniently located forklift seen at 0:23, I'd have tough time convincing myself to crawl into the belly of the beast.
First 👍's up IC WELD thank you for sharing 🤗
Well done 😮
You do very nice work.
Get some pool cleaner. Muritic acid. Soak your galvanized parts in it. Only takes a minute. Do it outside. Good for removing heavy rust to. Rinse with water,will flash rust. Can save and reuse.
@MrKotBonifacy
12 күн бұрын
_MuriAtic_ , which is kinda outdated name for hydrochloric acid, which harks back to the times when chemists thought you need OXIDES of non-metallic elements to crate any acid. (Lavoisier, XVIII century prominent French chemist mistakenly believed that oxygen was a constituent of all acids). The very name of "oxygen" attest to it - it comes from Greek ὀξύς (oxys) - acid, lit. 'sharp', from the taste of acids, and -γενής (-genēs), producer, lit begetter, via French "(principe) oxygène" or "acidifying constituent", but I digress here, so kindly pls disregard this bit of trivia ;-) So anyway hydrochloric acid was the first "oxygen-less" acid ever discovered, and since they thought "as explained above" they tried to isolate that unknown element form chlorine (which they thought to be an oxide of that element) - which obviously they could not achieve since chlorine is an element, yet they decided, against better judgement, to name that would-be hopeful element "murium". Hence "muriatic acid", and it always amuses me that people who would laugh at "hell stone" ( _lapis infernalis_ aka silver nitrate) or "(stag's) antler salt" (ammonium carbonate, used as baking powder in older times) still use that funny name dating back few centuries, but then I guess "old habit s die hard", so here we are, I digress here again (as usual). ANYWAY, while removing rust can be done effectively with any "strong enough acid" (even vinegar, aka acetic acid would do!) for zinc removal a regular lye is better - that "drain unblocker" white granules you can get in any Walmart or hardware store (mind you, NOT the liquid one, which is concentrated sulphuric acid!) is basically a sodium hydroxide aka "lye" (actually, the strong solution oof it is "lye"). Zinc is transitional metal (chemists call it "amphoteric", i.e. capable of acting as metal and non-metal in reactions) and in fact it's a very chemically active metal - it can even dissolve in acidified boiling water. Anyway, it dissolves just as easily in lye, but this does not produce hydrochloric acid vapours (the solution gets hot) AND lye, unlike acids, does not attack the steel underneath. That means you can just throw that item to be de-zinced into some steel container (like an old can - mind you, it MUST NOT be aluminium one, since aluminium is "just like zinc" and it dissolves in alkalis too), cover it with something (safety consideration in respect to your shop's spiders - they are people too ;-) and you can leave it overnight and go sleep assured that zinc, and ONLY zinc will be dissolved - and no single gram or steel will be missing. Also, it can be done indoors (no corrosive vapours released), albeit when you're going to do that "by barrels" provide a good ventilation, as the hydrogen released in this process (both of them release hydrogen) has a very wide "explosive range" when mixed with air.
Nice work man 👍
nice work, thanks for the lesson
Mcmaster carr and grainger both sell the proper weld on tank flanges and theh are $3 to $5 each.
NICE JOB!
Nice job!
Nice video!
Quite while your ahead..keep up the good work.
I had to laugh.... when you cut the circle out of the tank I thought shoot he's cutting it backwards😂😂 I just cut circles the otherway😁 Remember it doesn't have to be water tight....... Just Tar tight😂🤣😂😂
Great Job Isaac! Peace
If anyone is wondering, the thread for electrical conduit is **NON-tapering**, electrical conduit joints are NOT watertight; electricians expect water to go through those joints. Pipe threads are tapered, with pipe threads the more you twist the tighter the joint. That is not the case for conduit thread, conduit joints can not be tightened up. That's by design.
@gregorycross612
12 күн бұрын
Sorry but your information is not correct. Ridgid pipe conduit threads are tapered. There is a slight difference (3 degrees if I recall correctly....) in the thread angle. When you buy ridgid conduit dies an/or replacement thead inserts, you pay for the difference! If you want to prove me wrong, I'd challenge you to try to cut an "all thread" 1" x 12" pipe nipple with a conduit die. You can do it, but it is going to look like crap, gall if you back up and the threads will be so sharp that they will never seal. It has been a couple years since I chased threads. The conduit dies have another letter for identification but I don't recall it at the moment..... NPTx
@gregorycross612
12 күн бұрын
Edit!! My apologies, I just learned something..... Another commenter also mentioned that 'couplings' have straight cut threads. Yep, I just verified that on a couple of 3" and 1" coated couplings in inventory. All of the female threads I checked on other conduit fittings are tapered.
If your camera has a movable screen, pull it out for air flow and if need be, put a cold pack on it to aid in cooling.
How does that mustard taste? Looks fine to me. And that brush is perfect for spreading mustard on a sausage.
Asphalt slurry seal tank it looks like. I have welded on ours. It doesn’t really burn it melts. Kind of messy
Thanks for the video I.C.🙂
Muito bom trabalho amigo!!!
Although the job was done and structurally sound and even though it probably won't be seen.... it's the messiest job I've seen you do
@ICWeld
12 күн бұрын
I know right!?!? I wasnt too pleased with it but you cant alway hit a grand slam. Just trying to keep it real. 😁😁
@tracktime1196
12 күн бұрын
@@ICWeld I get it that you have some of them days but you have the skills to do some of the best work I've seen 😃👍and I don't want to sound derogatory but that was well below your standard bud
Sometimes, the ugly welds hold better
Its a tar tank so if theres pin holes in the weld it wont leak very long tar seals all
Hi My Dear Friend Very Very Good Job ❤❤❤❤❤
Good work as always. I'm curious why you didn't weld the pipe straight to the tank without the conduit coupler. If it's not going to be removable anyway.
@ICWeld
13 күн бұрын
True too. Maybe I wasnt thinking clearly. 😕😁😁
@Lucas12v
13 күн бұрын
@@ICWeld Once you get a plan in your head it can be easy to get tunnel vision lol. Looks like it's going to work fine either way.
MM77 Approved 👍🏼 👍🏼
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Hard to believe such a huge expensive piece of equipment has obviously sat for years without being used! I wonder what the story is behind that?
Crappy job ( perhaps ) that turned out well,...as we say around here,.... " it's good enough for who it's for " :)
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Good job!! got a question for you, if you were building a heavy duty construction trailer, what welding wire would you use 1/4 and 1/8 inch mild steel? also would you get brackets cut and bolt or weld 7K torsion axles on?
I was wondering how you were going to clean it up enough to weld.
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I was surprised you didn't weld the pipe directly into the tank, eliminating the coupling.
@ICWeld
13 күн бұрын
Following Orders
Use schedule 80 forged steel coupling
Brand Used!
Won't notching out the support beams compromise the structural integrity of the tank supports?
Way to problem solve!
That electrical threaded coupling is NOT "tapered pipe thread" and will not properly seal on a tapered pipe nipple.
@jd3497
12 күн бұрын
Buy American made Ward pipe fittings whenever possible. Forget the porous china junk.
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Only question was the 2'' coupling NPT tapered and a 2'' ream & drifted cpling might have been better as a heavier fitting if threads leak always weld them shut?
@ICWeld
11 күн бұрын
I realized that I used the wrong fitting but i think being as I jammed the threads tight, It should keep the tar from leaking.
Famous words it be quick then 2 days later I finally finish
How do you feel about auto-darkening helmets?
@ICWeld
13 күн бұрын
I currently have an auto darkening lens. they work good. Kinda spoils you.
@Vickwick58
13 күн бұрын
@@ICWeld Being a carpenter who sometimes has to weld pieces together on various bits of furniture I find auto-darkening helmets to be a life saver.
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