It’s truly amazing how you can make a boring job interesting.

Nothing boreing about your videos. They are the first ones I go to on Sat. Thanks for doing this.

Being a woodturner as well as a woodworker (custom woodworking takes a bit of everything) I know how things can get out-of-round when you turn with green lumber or trees (including "where" in the tree you cut the blank from). Even putting a banding on them won't stop everything, but can make it stronger when is dries. Hats off to you, sir. Always interested in watching a craftsman at work.

I love work. I could sit down and watch it all day.

Not only can Mr. Engels weld, blacksmith, fabricate, wheelwright, upholster, turn, machine, invent, teach, he is now an experienced videographer!

Dear Mr Engels my Grandfather did the same in East Prussia before WW2 i had no idea what went into beeing a wheel writhe so at gives me more appriciaten for his work back then so i thank you for that best reguards from Germany

Ciao Dave, you have two ball like a balloon. When I was a boy, I made this job just for the summer when the schools were closed. You are more than a master, you are more than a craftsman, you are a person of a hundred skills. Sorry, but I can't find the right word to define your ability. I hope you will read this message. Ciao

Boring? To you of course. To the people that watch your videos, it isn't boring. We get to see, thanks to you, how a wagon is built, or was built over 100 years ago. I see you using power tools and equipment to build and repair wagons. Even with all the modern tools and equipment it is still a lot of hard work. It gives me a much greater respect for the people who did it with muscle and talent. The way you mix old and modern technology is genius and practical. Just the right balance to keep the spirit of the trade alive. A purist in your trade couldn't possibly make a living. Thank you for making these videos. I am very grateful. I also enjoy very much the pictures you show of your beautiful state. I am a sub on many sites and have a good understanding of how much extra work it is to film and edit your videos. I have no right to ask, but if it is possible, I would like to see you post more often. Even if you feel it is mundane. I assure you it isn't to me. I miss my one man shop time and I relive it vicariously through you. I understand if time wont allow.

@joenet42567

5 жыл бұрын

I understand. Just had to ask.

Never realized just how much work went into getting a wheel onto a wagon. Thank you for showing and explaining how it is done.

Sir, don't call your videos boring. They are far from being boring, because you master so many skills that i can't keep track of them.

Thank you ECS. The many different camera angles helps to understand more about what you are doing and saying.

Hey there. Just a quick tip from an old machinist. On long bores, I put a 3/8 socket adapter in my cordless drill and use it to power the cross feed. If you always start inside and cut out, you don't have to worry about hitting anything. Or set a hard stop to run into. Thanks again for the entertainment.

Beautiful workmanship, Wheelwrights and Shipwrights not many of us lift.

"Another Boring Video" At the end of "Blazing Saddles", Sheriff Bart remarks to the Waco Kid that he's going "no place special". Waco Kid replies "No place special. I always wanted to go there." That's sort of how I feel about your videos. No loud, pounding music, no idiotic commentary, nobody screaming at each other, nobody getting hurt for laughs, nobody talking down to me. Just someone showing his craft- one that I couldn't begin to learn- in a bucolic, quiet setting. Please continue making boring videos, Dave. I really appreciate them.

@zephyrold2478

5 жыл бұрын

I second that.

@Hotrodelectric

5 жыл бұрын

@@EngelsCoachShop Very much so.

Very well done sir. All the camera angles and speeding up the camera is really done well. Thank you for another great detailed explanation of this detailed process. Jim

Where I'm from they used to say that it's a pleasure watching a skilled craftsman at work. I can only concur.

Well done. Definitely an engine lathe for this type of work. No planned obsolescence here. Just real work arriving at real function.

In my life I've had three people that I said I would give a year to work with to gain their knowledge. Now I have four. The only problem is, I'm seventy six years old. I love to watch you work. Your a true craftsman.

You Sir have a considerable range of skills and experience.

Good pun and great video. I found myself subconsciously trying to figure how I would do the bore to get a good continuous 1 degree taper if I had to do it from both ends as you did. I didn't even realize I was trying to solve it and when I did I had to laugh at myself. And then once again admire your skill. That's no mean feat! And then all the various depths that have to be just right. Must take forever. I'm always amazed by the skill and patience and attention to detail. No wonder so many of us tune in! Nicely done, as always.

The camera work on this one was extra special. I love the cut-away's to your hand turning the lever and even to the shavings pile. It makes me feel more like I'm in the shop watching you work. Soon you'll quit the wagon business and to go Hollywood as a videographer. LOL. Keep on keepin on.

Thank you for bringing your skill and art to those of us that are thirsty for knowledge of those old skills !!! THANK YOU SIR !!! I love every minute of your videos and look forward to the next as soon as I"'ve watched the latest !!!! Great work !!!

Now I know all about boring I feel inspired. I’m going to be boring all afternoon and probably boring most of tomorrow. My wife asks what’s new about that!

..never boring ,lol, until i subbed to your site, i had no clue how wagons and wheels were made, thanks

@dougankrum3328

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I always wondered how the wheels and bearings were made...all I ever saw was Hoss Cartright lifting the wagon so another guy could put the wheel back on...and the Axle grease...but what actually held the wheel on?...a young mind was curious...

@jonka1

5 жыл бұрын

Doug Ankrum Well said and thank you for reminding me of those moments from my childhood.

Just love these videos so much. I tell everyone about them. But 12 minutes is too short! I can't imagine how much work goes into them. Thanks so much.

Yay hub bands! Can't wait! Those are some monster hubs.

"Keep'em wanting more." So now we hold our breath for a week waiting, at least the next one won't be boring. Thank you so very much for posting. (-:

Maybe for some but your videos are sure not boring to me. That looked like some complicated stuff on those hubs. Thanks for the video. Y'all take care and God bless.

Another great video. The tooling you have is amazing, looks like your shop is a real treasure. Thanks for sharing Mr. Engels

+EngelsCoachShop: As usual, *_NOT_* a 'boring' video! Look forward to *all* of yours. Many thanks for excellent content. Keep 'em comin'!

I surely enjoy these video's . I always learn a lot

Truly an art form - thanks for the hard work and dedication to record this craft - no one can do this again - your dedication to the craft is above the new norm - you're truly an artist -thank you for the time and dedication as i couldn't. Commit the time and effort that you have

These are the best mini series ever made!

Love the journey, Mr. Engle. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you for taking the time to make a great quality video. You make the lives of me and thousands more a little better every week! I learn and look forward to every video. You're amazing my friend.......

GREAT VIDEO THERE IS A LOT OF MACHINING ON THOSE HUBS,WHAT A PILE OF CUTTINGS. THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL IS A GIFT. GOD BLESS

toujours passionnant, j’attends la suite avec impatience, merci mille fois de me permettre de suivre votre travail. Pierre de Vierzon. Un salut de France.

Love the home made steady on the lathe

Great boring video can't wait for next one. Thanks.

I knew that wagon wheels don’t interchange...now I know why! Thanks Dave, keep on keeping on.

I learned a lot again by watching another video. Great work George from NYS

Well sir, if you were thinking it was a boring video as the opening caption said,,, then you missed the mark. This was far from boring in fact. Thanks again for your time and effort. Charlie

I never find that learning things is boring. I think an explanation of how things were done before power machinery was available would be interesting too.

As always a skill very few possess. Even though I've got years of schooling & a lifetime of experience, the trade of mechanics has not changed much. It still requires grease, oil & a strong back. And the finesse to make it work. Some more than others. I'll always respect your ability !!!!!

A truly boring video. I sit and watch you work and feel that I am, in a small way, a part of the things you make. We've all seen wagons roll by in parades and there are even handsome carriages in the larger cities, but being of, and by choice, a collection of people who wonder if all of the technology hasn't robbed us of the simple pleasures of life. I find that the things of the past, the things that allowed us to grow as a country, are being well cared for by an artisan and jack-of-all-trades who would have slipped into a fireside conversation one hundred years ago without a fuss. I thank you for your wonderful work, and also for making the past come alive again.

@johnday7362

5 жыл бұрын

@@EngelsCoachShop Mr. Engels, if I have helped in any small way, then I have accomplished more that I thought possible. I have be a fan of restoration for years. And you might call what you do a style of restoration. Even when creating new wagons you are restoring to us a lost view of the past. We have forgotten so much, let us not forget the importance of what wagons created for us.

Love the caption at the 0:09 mark. Fits with my comment from the last video. 😁😁 With you boring the taper from both sides and matching up in the middle is like digging a tunnel from both sides of the mountain and meeting in the middle. After watching you modify the new Grizzly mortiser I am thinking the next thing you need to create is a compound for your lathe carriage that will give you more than 6” of travel. As always Dave, your boring videos are definitely not boring and I eagerly look forward to the rest of this series.

Golly gosh an old man with "working hands"... Whatever next...? (This was the norm until only a few years ago) ... Hi from England. A craftsman keeping old time skills alive... We have a few here in the UK also...just a few mind.. It's nice & easy on the eye and you come away with a bit more knowledge for having watched....i like it..

No paro de asombrarme con su trabajo.....lo felicito......!!!!!

I enjoy your videos , keep them coming

Love your videos

Your knowledge and skill amaze me. I have often wondered how many people in the US are capable of doing what you do. I would bet the number is quite small in comparison to other trades. I always enjoy your videos.

Love your old South Bend lathe you guys use to do your work on. Really like the old Hendy tieback lathe in the back ground. Enjoy learning the art of making wagon wheels. Very impressive! Keep the videos coming! Ken S. from Texas.

@4GSR

5 жыл бұрын

Been running lathes since I was 10 years old, going on 52 years. I've bought and rebuilt many over the years. Have learned a lot about older machine tools over the years and still learning things I didn't know. If you ever need repair parts for that Hendy, there is a guy that owns what's left of the Hendy Lathe Co. located out in Arizona I believe it it. Just Google Hendy Lathes and I'm sure his contact information will come up. What you guys are doing there is a "lost art" Very fascinating, neat and cool! If I ever make it up that way I will make certain to drop by and say hello. Ken @@EngelsCoachShop

Once again a fascinating video and full of individual ingenuity to cover all contingencies. thanks for posting. PS, time to refill your oiler glasses.

Always enjoy. Thanks again!

Thanks for the axel-box lesson.

Thanks for another great video.

Mr. Engels, really enjoy your videos, a tapering accessory for your lathe would be fairly easy to find . They are easy to set-up and very accurate, allowing you with a long enough boring bar to machine hubs in one set-up.

Nice cinematography!

Educational video....and entertaining! Thanks!

Thanks for the glimpse into this process. Very interesting! Hope you have several apprentices you can pass on your craft to, before it becomes a lost art. Take care.

You have the patience of Job!

I like your steady rest. If you were to fabricate a taper attachment for your lathe you could turn the taper the entire length of the bore in one operation using your power feed on the carriage vs being limited by your compound travel and having to flip the part and losing concentricity. Would be a nice project :) ~ Richard

@MakinSumthinFromNuthin

5 жыл бұрын

Ok, makes sense. The steel tapers didnt have relief in the center so didnt know you didnt need full engagement. Nice boring bar btw!!

Oh my goodness Just sat down to watch and enjoy and it all over, never knew that 12 minutes could go so fast.. lol awesome... an hour video be very nice, maybe get a pee break lol Cheers

That's a lot of time and skill to step bore those hubs and have the tapers come out properly. Not many today could get the job done how you did with those old school calipers. Highly accurate work can of course be done on the usual plain wood working lathe with enough experience. It does surprise me why more wood workers haven't yet figured out the many benefits of using a metal working lathe with a carriage and top slide though. Other than the method of powering them, today's wood working lathe design really hasn't changed all that much in hundreds of years. I'd assume the wagon manufacturers used custom made taper reamers that fit there chosen size and design of those boxing's back when wagons and there wheels were being made in volume. That wouldn't be possible with the variety of different wheels your involved with to do it that way. My guess is the original method was the over size hub blanks were taper reamed, then the boxing's were inserted and the hub od's were then turned between centers.

Good afternoon from SE Louisiana 4 Mar 21.

Every video, something new to learn. I figured that whatever held the wheels on was different to their respective creators, but hadn't figured there would be so many, i thought there was some standardization, but that's likely because i like the industrial revolution and forget that before it (and in some cases during it and after) nothing was standardized.

@barrysimmons5489

5 жыл бұрын

Apparently the only thing that was standardized is the system of weights and measures. That's as per US Constitution Article 1 Section 8 in the enumeration of powers. Congress shall have the power to set the standard of weights and measures.

Enjoyed the video and gave a Thumbs Up

Thank you again sir.

thank you for passing this knowledge you have to old gits in the uk like me .THANKS,

not get the 1degre bevel yet yet, but will keep watching. thanks again. very interesting .

The video was boring, but I watched the "hole" thing. (Maybe an emoji would have helped to get my true meaning across. 😉 As always, I truly enjoy watching your skill.)

@rogermarshall8991

5 жыл бұрын

Ya beat me to the punch line 😂😂😂

@dougankrum3328

5 жыл бұрын

Very good...2 puns in one short sentence...!

@dougankrum3328

5 жыл бұрын

Boring ...no way...I wood watch all of these videos...

Maybe I am wrong, but it looks as if your lathe has a taper attachment. You could use this to bore out the taper "in one go". Thank you very much for sharing this! Excellent! Harald

That old lathes runs just as smooth as silk

Your videos are as finely crafted as your wagons. Have you had training in videography or did you develop your skill on your own? They're always such a pleasure to watch -- both for their content and for their presentation.

Its not a “boring” process, I always find you interesting

Thank you for and interesting history lesson. Do you have patterns for your boxing or does your Foundry use old boxings to make new ones?

Wikipedia says the water wagon held 1,200 gallons...that about 9,600 pounds...almost as heavy as one Borax wagon...very interesting reading the history of the 20 mule team...and the even larger 24 mule team...and due to excellent engineering...no wagon ever broke down...

3:52 - Man, I can smell the aromatics from the lathe cutting! And I'm almost sneezing from the dust.

You could use further stick out on that boring bar if you put lifting pressure onit by hoisting it up from ceiling with block and tackle just so it can't say down from cutting forces. Use rope and you can still slide in and out keeping pressure on the bar.

I always find it facinating how resourseful our ancestors really were!

Thanks for the video Dave. Noticed the crowned pulley and leather belt. Wonder if it was driven by an overheard line shaft and steam at one time.

Having (developped) the right tools is really everything….

Nice......!!!!

Why don't you make your steady rest mount on the bed ways. Than you could bore using the taper attachment and the power feed on your lathe. You could also bore half way in one shot and save the wear on your hand with cranking the handle on your compound slide. Just a thought.

The craftmanship of the "machinist" is becoming a lost skill, replaced by CNC programmable machines. There is a lot of lonesome lathes out there without an apprentice. "Tricks of the trade" are lost to computer programmers. Thanks for keeping the trades alive as a Master Craftsman..

@billmielke7395

5 жыл бұрын

As a cnc machinist many of the skills of a manual machinist are used everyday by cnc machinists. While it's true that CNC machines are programmed you still need to know how the metal will cut, and on a cnc mill there is lots of fixturing that needs to be done, naturally you don't need rotary tables on a cnc mill, or in most cases indexers, but you definitely need to know how to fixture to hold odd shaped parts. I see parts 'll the time that have features on all 6 sides. There is of course a big difference between a cnc machinist, who does their own programming, set up, and runs the parts, and button pusher who runs someone else's program set up by somebody else.

@rcdogmanduh4440

5 жыл бұрын

@@billmielke7395 difference between programmer and operater.

@billmielke7395

5 жыл бұрын

@@rcdogmanduh4440 no, there are operators, programmers, and machinists, I work in what is essentially a job shop, we're CNC machinists we do our own programming, set up and operation, I worked in a mold shop as a coop student that had programmers and setup/operators. Factories typically have a programmer, a set up man, and bunches of "operators"

@dougankrum3328

5 жыл бұрын

@@billmielke7395 Interesting comment...and yes, there are guys that just load parts and push the red and green buttons who ARE a machinist, just ask them, they'll tell ya'.…. I wasn't ever that much of a machinist, but I spent the years from 1968-1984 as an electronic tech... building/testing NC and CNC machines at Burgmaster In Los Angeles...big (CAT 40-50) turret drills and VTC's, traveling column, and Gantry stuff, 60X240" tables.... Y axis 60" of travel...X was about the amount you wanted to pay for...some were 300"+, Big Bus/truck companies bought a lot of them, for drilling 6 frames at a time......not just the tiny 6 spindle stuff you see here on youtube… I have looked quite a bit and never found any youtube videos of anything but the little stuff from Burgmaster, but there IS an old B&W video from the 1960's where a TV station does an interview with one of the Burg brothers who started the company in the 1950's...the Burgs were from the country of Czechoslovakia….and....I've used cutting tools from there, and Poland too...pretty good stuff... Burgmaster was pretty decent stuff, they went out of business soon after I was there.....not my fault, it was financial problems with 'take-overs'...Best job I ever had though...

Another wonderful video. Every time I watch one of them I learn something new or a different way to do something. As you said your boring bar doesn't go all the way through the hub, when you turn the hub around do you have to reverse the cutting angle 1*? I am asking as it is early morning, only had one cup of coffee and can't seem to get my head around cutting the taper from both ends. Thanks for making the videos.

Not boring, no skilled craftsman is boring, but I do like a good pun.

@dougankrum3328

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've seen, and done...a lot of boring, but still watched the entire video...always a treat! A lot of work with no taper attachment....

Thanks for posting!! Wondering if there happened to be the choice of tapered roller bearings, would the processes shown in this video be pretty much unchanged? Thanks Again, Mr. Dave!!

As I was enjoying your video, as usual, I was trying to think of a way to mount an adapter for your follow rest to the bed so you could take advantage of the full travel of the cairage to cut all the way through. But I was unable to get a good look at the bed so I have no suggestion other than to build a new one with a smaller overall diameter. Perhaps in your spare time when you have nothing better to do. Thanks for sharing !

@rtkville

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of mounting to and on the inner bed ways by means of a clamp type arrangement. It would still be a limiting factor of travel for the carriage which would then require a longer stick out of your boring bar, however it would be good for roughing out the bulk of material. After which you, or I, could fall back to the follow rest to make the finish cuts. Don't mind me, I'm just thinking out loud as it were.... What ever you do you still amaze me with your innovative ways! I admire you and envy you! Thank you!

EXCELLENT STUFF AS ALWAYS. I notice your lathe is fitted with a taper turning attachment, could you not hook that up for these long tapers and bore them in one hit instead of using the top slide? regards and keep up the GREAT vids!

Great video Dave. I noticed that your lathe has the long taper attachment on the rear bedway, wouldn't that make it a little easier on you instead of having to readjust your tool several times?

@rcdogmanduh4440

5 жыл бұрын

Lol I just asked same question, and my name is Matt also!

Best BORING VIDEO Evar!

You truly have the patience of an oyster. 😁

Excellent piece, as always! A couple of questions - any idea where the name "Boxing" comes from? Have you ever considered some kind of taper attachment for your lathe? Thanks again for sharing your experience and craftsmanship.

@hankclingingsmith8707

5 жыл бұрын

That is why he set the angle at 1 degree. Watch it again.

@stevehowe9677

5 жыл бұрын

Hank Clingingsmith - I saw the 1 degree setting, but he has to use a the cross slide (with it's limited travel) to feed the tool. A taper attachment would let him use the power feed and give him much longer travel - probably allow boring the whole thing without having to turn the hub around.

I love your channel. I can't wait to visit your shop, perhaps next year. I didn't notice in the video but I was wondering: When you turn the hub around do you not also have to invert your taper? I'd think that if you were +1 degree going in then you have to be -1 degree coming out from the center on the reverse side.

@opendstudio7141

5 жыл бұрын

He switched sides and push the tool bit over? You can bore on both sides of the bar if you grind both ends of the tool to cut that way. up //down

I'm from northwest Missouri. In 1981 I traveled from Sheridan, Wyoming to Red Lodge, Montana. Would I have been close to Joliet? Were you there at that time? I was 23 years old at that time. You can do the math. Love your videos.

Dave. Did you ever think of taking like, a speaker magnet, and recessing it into the bottom of your goose neck lamp so it stays secure to the lathe?

How were 17th & 18th century western wheelwrights able to accomplish the level of precision and accuracy you demonstrate here using that massive lathe?

@dougankrum3328

5 жыл бұрын

Very hard to find accurate history about that era of machine shop work...they had developed some decent lathes (needed to make those weapons of war, ya' know) but probably much slower, with water or animal powering them....maybe a little faster by the 'Steam' era...then electric in late 1800's...

How cow! To state the obvious.... lots of wood to remove. About how long does it take to make one hub? Love the videos! Thank you!

Have you ever considered making a steady that attaches to the ways and using your taper attachment?