1 bad showing (which wasn’t even bad, making finals is huge in itself) does not define these guys as a team. Don’t forget all the scrim wins, tourney wins, and LAN wins. These guys are solid, they will bounce back. TSM baby 🖤

@bleach7958

3 ай бұрын

So why were we so hard on DZ?

@kaleb8850

3 ай бұрын

@@bleach7958that’s what I’m sayin too, DZ is also great, Optic (well, former optic) is fantastic but stuff happens

@jasan_o3633

3 ай бұрын

@@bleach7958cause we haters

@darthbane6021

3 ай бұрын

Nah something needs to change

@bleach7958

3 ай бұрын

@@jasan_o3633 hell yea bro 🤝

Zach: "Did you read the patch notes I sent you?" Hal: "No, I don't read." 😂🤣🤣

Such a big fan of Zach now. He was a class act during ALGS. Loved his whole attitude and it was fun to see him play.

@allday7450

3 ай бұрын

True

Evan on caustic is indeed throwing

Yall just looked very disconnected from each other. Got faith in you boys!

It's not you guys, it's the overall standard had improved from all regions that in turn made fights more unpredictable imo, probably best to learn regions style more in order for a better plan, when teams are more balanced between them defensive plays became much more important in the world of rng, that's how I credited to apac north rise since it's in their bones from start

@UroboricNate

3 ай бұрын

Some truth to this for sure, tsm played good, many teams played great though, and teams from other regions can def be different to read at times for NA teams

@enjoisk8er811

3 ай бұрын

interesting, very true that different regions will take fights differently

@lenk1432

3 ай бұрын

shitty rings and teams greifing tsm, its an accomplishment even getting to finals

@komalthecoolk

3 ай бұрын

I kept saying that to myself, that TSM was good but everyone else got better, but you can see that as soon as a full team pushed TSM, they got dispersed and put up a weak fight. Hurts me to say this as I'm a big fan but I could see the cracks for a short while now.

@UroboricNate

3 ай бұрын

@@komalthecoolk absolutely, not on the same page with the 3v3s, that goes hand in hand with other teams just being better too, great vs good

Hal is the only reason I watched ALGS Lan. Keep move on and come back next lan.

@DEMON-cn2my

3 ай бұрын

Same bro

@fugitive6549

3 ай бұрын

pathetic.

I hear and see many valid points, but straight up Hal is the best Horizon in the game. Makes zero sense to not have Hal on Horizon. The legend meta/team comp does not suit the strengths of the team. It should be Hal on Horizon, Evan on Bloodhound, Reps on Bangalore (Storm Point) OR Reps on Caustic (World's Edge). With these team comps you guys can take early position in zone with limited loot (if need be) and still do well, or you have more offensive/fragging potential and maneuverability with Horizon IF you need to play edge/late rotate. Your 3v3's would be better with Horizon in the mix. The vertical movement of Horizon Q adds an extra element that supports your fights, same with Horizon's ultimate. Hal on Horizon entry fragger opens up with Horizon Q and Black Hole while Reps on Bangalore or Caustic uses smoke/gas to obscure their vision. This distracts the opponents while Evan pops Bloodhound ultimate and starts dropping the distracted opponents. Easy. Run this comp. Trust me.

@djbr12

3 ай бұрын

I heard they have a coach spot open if you wanna help them out 👀😂

@simonisdanilo3950

3 ай бұрын

Agree

@Valarizator

3 ай бұрын

​@@djbr12🤓🤓🤓

@billi5820

3 ай бұрын

I agree with you. Evan is not THAT BAD at Bloodhound. He is one of the best players in the world. I think he could have figured it out. Obviously not a pro, or a coach, but I was so confused at the idea of someone like Verhulst not playing a character well.

@slushthevillian6341

3 ай бұрын

The last couple of scrims Hal stated that he didn’t like playing horizon. I can’t remember why he said it.

The uncomfortable silence at @9:05 😭😭😭😭

Drunk off that trophy. Need to get hungry again. You guys got it

@crypticfallacy4924

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely. They couldn’t lock in for some reason. Maybe they’re not that into it anymore?

@OrangeSoda1432

3 ай бұрын

@@crypticfallacy4924they lost once, relax bro.

@crypticfallacy4924

3 ай бұрын

@@OrangeSoda1432 They didn’t lose they got smacked. Pay attention bro

@BRock-rz3hg

3 ай бұрын

​@@crypticfallacy4924they played bad and still made finals

@crypticfallacy4924

3 ай бұрын

@@BRock-rz3hg 17th place

That ssg fight near wall in grand finals was a good example of that. You downed one and did 100 to another that fight and they seemed to do barely 100 damage between them but also go down to 40hp. Something needs to change that's for sure, I don't think it's a coach issue when its about the 3v3s.

@curtis4982

3 ай бұрын

I disagree with Hal saying it wasn’t the comp… The comp, the unwillingness to play where their coach planned for them to play seemed like it made everyone sour. Try blocking that out of your mental game, losing 3v3 after 3v3 and it just compounds. It’s like beating your head off the wall on repeat. Tournament earnings def reflect this team is cohesive. Just because every other team disbands doesn’t mean TSM needs to make a move. One bad tourney, it happens.

@cian1985

3 ай бұрын

@@curtis4982 yeah I agree completely. The mentality aspect of losing so many fights is underrated when talking about the game at such a high level. But he did mention this started prior to this lan, that their team fighting was poor beforehand. That couldn't have helped going into it. Hopefully they can regain momentum in split 2. Their lack of role versatility I think is another issue. The comp is correct but can they play them all well? I don't think so

@curtis4982

3 ай бұрын

@@cian1985 right, I agree. Didn’t actually know about the inner team bit but it makes sense. If things aren’t going too well as a whole beforehand it’s tough to wipe the slate prior to a big event when the stakes are high. Let’s see what split 2 holds!

@NN-oz6rr

3 ай бұрын

They need Hal on Horizon. Simple as that.

@cian1985

3 ай бұрын

@@NN-oz6rr that was peak Hal

Appreciate some transparency as a fan. Gives me confidence that my favorite team is trying to improve so that's why I have faith. TSM TAM TSM TSM TSM

Heads up and come back stronger next split Hal. You got this!

stay up brotha

TSM going into a bloodthirsty freight train strategy for next scrims to warm up for when it counts. TSM WIN

I feel like They ignore Hal half the time

@MMM-hn2ul

3 ай бұрын

In a way yes, but i also notice that hal shots calling way too fast evan and jordan couldn’t keep up at all and out of position to make a trade and always left them in a bad position.

@hyperzeus8450

3 ай бұрын

@@MMM-hn2ul typical Hal :))

@Torpid6441

3 ай бұрын

@@hyperzeus8450 Not being to keep up is not hals fault.

“Not talking about team stuff. I things going on.” In the most unbelievable way.

I don’t think team changes are necessary at this point because they were doing really good up until LAN. Something was just off for this LAN.

Not having the only MNK player, Reps, on hound was a mistake imo.

TSM please make a comeback! lets goooo

Y’all need to like take a vacay for a couple days together and just team bond while relaxing. Maybe rewrite a whole new approach and see how it goes

Vous êtes quand même les meilleurs. Ça peut arriver de mal jouer. 💪

Actually surprised on all the responses, love the positivity going on

Keep the faith Boyz..I understand the standards are set so high for you guys.. but damn I'm always rooting for y'all through the good and the bad🤙🏾

from my stands and watching over the weekend it seemed like most fights were within eyeshot of another team.... getting shot in the back for 30 sucks

@agentmy9810

3 ай бұрын

)(о)(ло аналитика

@MMM-hn2ul

3 ай бұрын

Yes their position during fights always getting thirds from range and lose them the fight.

You guys did what you could at the LAN. It was good you at least made it to finals otherwise head up and grind for the next split! Great video Hal

TSM and DZ has been on top of the top for years now. I think it's really healthy for the esport to see some other great teams...and then TSM can make an awesome comeback :D cheers!

I rate the poi was the issue on Storm Point. Every lan storm catcher is always contested. It's such a large space that the contest is barely a contest in its traditional form

ngl if zach picks up reps, its gonna be a solid ass team

Not a fan of caustic and watson meta but this season feels good so far which is a first for a long time lol so time to lock it in!

Darkzero didn’t even make it to finals in champs. Every team can have an off day/tournament but they always come back stronger✌🏼

Stop trying to chase what other teams determine is the meta and play who you all excel with!!! That's all that matters. You guys will hate every second of playing unless you play with the characters you love and know well

Win or lose, TSM 🫶🏻🖤🤍

I eant to see evan on fuse again that shit slapped

THATS THE HOMIE LFGGG

We all get complacent sometimes shit happens.

Is Hal just ignoring that hes able to do damage in fights because hes bloodhound and can see through smoke lol

From my perspective Evan isnt a good anchor... thats for reps..let evan frag like snipe did.... Ravens Character choices and POI's were trash and we lost our identities being the best fighting team in the game which is why we were contested on both maps. Pulling for the comeback! #TSM

redemption arc gonna next lan

Game 1 and game 4 were avoidable. Game 1 Jordan decides to finish his bat instead of Bang ulting first then batting before the ult procs. Ulting earlier would've given less time for the third party to arrive where tsm could actually get those kills before getting eliminated by the third party. One of them could've even maybe survived. Game 2 and 3 the zones were ass and they were unfortunate to have bad positioning. Simply unlucky. Game 4, they got eliminated merely because Jordan and Evan didn't take height. They just stayed down there shooting without cover. Game 5 onwards it seemed they lost hope. It also seemed like Hal was making less calls and wasn't making those calls aggressively. TSM wins more when he calls the shots and it felt like he wasn't doing that the way he usually does. But what do I know I'm really just a casual Apex player. It's just some things I noticed though.

I feel like reps was igling more than Hal thats why they did so bad.

Been watching you guys for a long time. Ok so here my input on what I see based on the team setup, I don’t understand why you guys made the decision to make Evan play caustic or just a defensive type of player In general, Evan’s strengthsis in attacking I kind of see you took the lead on that Hal this season which doesn’t make sense to me you give the commands so you shouldn’t be the first one in a fight, reps without a doubt should be the defensive player, Evan lead, you middle command and jordan defend that’s why you guys had so much success last season this season you guys pretty much buffed Evan. So easy to see from an outsider view always watching you guys play.

You can't win them all still love you Hal keep your head up baby! You can't hold TSM down big things to come just watch!!

I feel like some teams played better this time allowing them to get better placement early, that and then not winning the 3v3 adds up 😅☹️

"im not going to talk about the team" proceeds to talk about team

I know this question's probably been asked before but I haven't been around lately(either for his streams/YT uploads) so I have no idea but what ended up happening to his original account? He's still using an alt account right?

Honestly Hal seemed like he really didn’t give a f*** the whole tournament. Imo that rubbed off on the team, seemed like no one really was trying or caring

@aja3longhorn375

3 ай бұрын

If he said what he was thinking he would be saying that his teammates were throwing the whole time and then ppl would complain about that too

@djbr12

3 ай бұрын

I agree fully Hal looked lost this lan positioning was horrible didn’t really seem like bro was trying😂

@godztitan3545

3 ай бұрын

Maybe bro was high😭😂

@thegoodlord9914

3 ай бұрын

I bet he mentally clocked out like “yep not winning this one….”

@SnowStreets

3 ай бұрын

@@aja3longhorn375 That's what he always does, that's what they need, raging Hal is actually a good leader in fights, but in these 3v3s it was like he was not even expecting to win these fights, his comms were pretty poor, and Evan is the type of guy who needs to be screamed at to actually understand what's going on lol

The bloodhound rework was nicely done. Feels good still but tuned him down. I like it

Does anyone know what ear buds Hal uses? would love to know. Thanks so much :)

“I just got 17th so I don’t get past the 1st team” 💀

the contests hurt them so bad

@andrewb4943

3 ай бұрын

There were no contests during finals though 😕

@godztitan3545

3 ай бұрын

They did get conned

@SugarHillGoGetBack

3 ай бұрын

the double contest series was crazy

Devo is insane up close and i hope Raven comes back to TSM

@JoshDoes

3 ай бұрын

I don't. Pro players dont need an average player telling them what to do.

The other teams are finally catching up can't rest on your talent anymore

“I’m not talking about the team cause nothings happening” There it is. Doubt there will be any changes at all.

everybody has a bad day - or a bad tournament....

I think, you guys should do the pro TDMs with other NA teams.

@SugarHillGoGetBack

3 ай бұрын

those are mainly for contests on poi’s and they’re a waste of time they did those at a previous lan vs finatic i think

Bro gave the other guys some props that was the finals man ? Gave them a break 😅

So they added another ingame currency ?

All MnK era has arrived

I think Fun, Hal and Evan would be a great trio. Like for TSM to see this. No disrespect for Jordan but he should step it up

@teqhniqal3327

3 ай бұрын

Reps literally was the top fragger in the team at finals...

To be fair, I think TSM has accepted playing edge a lot more than they used to. There was multiple times they were one of the last teams to rotate into zone. If they sped up there rotation early games, I think that would be beneficial. Forcing fights cause you have to rotate in is never a good strategy. The OG’s know what I mean. Even when they had a far rotation they used to still rotate quickly

@BigSuzpekt

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say rotation was the problem. You rotate too early, then you're stuck with blue shield in end game. You have to find the balance or commit to playing full edge like DSG and Aurora. Plus, most of the zones they got were odd ones and hard to predict. I assume that's why they brought caustic into storm point even though they've mentioned several of times caustic is trash in storm point. With the zones i've seen lately, you must run a controller legend in your team. But all teams think the same way, if they wanted to rotate faster based on the zones they had, they would've needed a valkyrie. Most good spots were already taken in ring before round 1 ended. You're talking like 2 minutes or less and there were no spots to play and you are forced to play edge and take fights as you go into zone.

Here for the idk count

If you want to dominate, drop Evan and Raven and pick up Sweet. Nothing wrong with either of them, but this would get the passion burning again

Gotta let Evan be a fragger

TSM_Reps is still my boy

Hal you never used your nades in algs

Is it me or Hal’s voice changed??

I keep hearing Hal say LOS what does that mean?

@tropenhout

3 ай бұрын

line of sight

As much as I wanted to see the guys win, I can’t help but notice that Hal made a ton of questionable decisions/threw several times/went down where it wasn’t necessary during the competition. Better luck next time, fellas.

@djbr12

3 ай бұрын

This is so true Hal was feeding his face off and his positioning was so chalked

@simonisdanilo3950

3 ай бұрын

Yeah he was horrible on Bang he know he can’t play Bang but hey

@dman6533

3 ай бұрын

@@djbr12 it just bothers me because Jordan and Evan are cracked all the time and are usually in good positions, but they never ever do the right thing according to Hal.

what happened to his account

@supermoistbread

3 ай бұрын

He got his main account banned after the Destroyer2009 incident I think, I could be wrong though

@robertstank

3 ай бұрын

@@supermoistbreadyeah they investigating the account so they cant give him back the account yet

@ahahaha6228

3 ай бұрын

destroyer is using his account lol

You know destroyer can unban accounts btw? The devs gonna be pissed if you back on without them unbanning and giving you notification. Just a heads up. lol. Also, I would have asked you, what's your view on the winners being 3x on mouse key? With all that smoke in game meta, im not suprised tbh...

Respawn(EA) getting over on y'all. 😂😂😂 I stopped playing that 💩 a long time ago. Still like to watch Hal sometimes tho

Should have focused on rotation - you needed a Valk.

People saying drop reps. Wow 😲. People dont know who the hell reps is. How come people are so damn dumb. And forget everything the man has accomplished just because of some games. People need to stop being dumb and emotional. Reps is one of the best mechanical players around. And it's normal for teams to perform like this. They have been at the top for ages. It looked like they were burnt out. Its ok. Reset and go hard.

@aloharx2776

3 ай бұрын

Blinded by nostalgia, reps ain’t even reps 😊

@andrewb4943

3 ай бұрын

Nah reps ain’t it.. the current best teams have 3 fraggers and lately reps is contesting calls so much to the point that he just does his own thing and leaving Hal to question his every play.

One bad tourney and the comment section becomes pro Apex analysts. Stfu and let the real pros figure it out.

This whole split was weird for TSM in my opinion. Seemed like Hal and Evan were uncomfortable with their characters. Evan in general seemed disconnected from the team. I honestly think they would have done better if Hal went back to Horizon and put Evan on Hound.

@TSM ImperialHal I watched every single scrim and every single tournament you guys play for years. When you picked up Evan after Snipedown left. For this latest meta, Hal you need to stay on bloodhound because you know exactly when and where to scan to get split second information and tell Jordan and Evan to push isolated players in seconds. Idk whose idea it was to change up the character chemistry you lost so many 3v3s when you had no blood hound and conduit or horizon was substituted in. RR shouldn’t have won many 3v3s off the beginning contest but they did because they had a scan character and TSM didn’t. Also have Evan push with you because he’s not as good at anchoring staying still. He goes down first too fast when anchoring or rotating last behind you and Jordan. Evan needs to be unleashed to use his insane gun skill strength. Jordan is far better at anchoring. I know comps are MAP specific but You on blood, Jordan on caustic, and Evan on bang. That was one comp you didn’t try. You also had the most success as blood/bang/caustic but Evan was on caustic and Jordan was on bang. Try switching it and I think you would be even better as a trio. I would like to discuss more with you. Always had mad respect for your IGL. Good shit winning lan in the past. Those 3 games in a row was an incredible comeback. Looking forward to seeing what’s next.

@BigSuzpekt

3 ай бұрын

You make a lot of good points. One thing i'd like to add is their contested in lighting rod (especially against RR) i don't know why they let one player take that building and hold it. They could easily just triple or double land on the solo player in the building to take him out early or force that player to drop with his teammates. I never understood why they would let that solo land there without a fight. That player would just hold that building why his teammates looted and pushed to help out. I think they could've easily won every contest against them just by double landing that building with one player landing where Hal landed and all three just push that solo and kill him. I just think they gave that player too much room to work with.

@Aybaybay503

3 ай бұрын

You telling hal what to do and asking to discuss things further is comical. hal dgaf 😂

@IKniveZI

3 ай бұрын

@@Aybaybay503 You are missing the point. I am not trying to say it in a superior way. It was meant for strategic purposes. I enjoy that kind of conversation.

@IKniveZI

3 ай бұрын

@@BigSuzpekt I agree. They should have punished RR for split holding. But they didn't have blood hound so they were playing far more passive than usual off the beginning contest. Also, the moment Evan switched off Valk he started to feel far less confident in positioning. He is very good at gaining the height with Valk in the right moments but playing caustic goes against his aggressive play style nature. You saw the superman gif being unshackled? I get why he would feel that way. He shouldn't be anchoring he should be pushing with Hal every time they approach a 3v3.

It just looked like you guys weren't gelling in 3v3, more individually popping off cause you have been beaming in scrims and rolling trios but together the coordination looks abit bad, you guys just need a break and reset together

You can just blame your teammate’s when hands down it’s the worst I’ve seen you play for years! Share it equally

why did hal use a new account?

@begonethot9338

3 ай бұрын

his main account has been banned since destroyer algs incident, EA has been investigating his account for breaches since then, tells you much about EA security team competence I guess

Count how many " idk " he said

It just wasn't a good tournament it's fine come back stronger than ever before mate you guys got this is

I just don’t understand the drop honestly. Y’all couldnt rotate successfully or peacefully out of thunderwatch the few times y’all DID win that initial 3v3 on overwatch tower. I just really didn’t like y’all’s drop spot. Lava siphon same thing, yall just were getting clapped off drop

@BigSuzpekt

3 ай бұрын

That still comes down to 3 v 3's if you're referring to contest. The drop isn't the issue if they can't win 3 v 3's or contest. You could drop in the best spot and still die on contest or get taken out in your first 3 v 3s. Lighting rod is not necessarily bad unless you have to rotate south or south west like they had to 80 percent of their storm point games. They needed to play for that trident since they weren't running a valk. They let legends gaming just take it without a fight whenever they weren't contested.

Honestly this year was the least entertaining to watch. It was all havocs and the entire map covered in smoke.

@joshlong6733

3 ай бұрын

Least entertaining to play also. Last i checked almost everyone had a major problem with bang and blood meta on top of that they released the upgrade system mid pro circuit which would be very hard to adjust to in that scene.

Hal back to mnk for bang meta?

@Arithmeticspidershoelace

3 ай бұрын

Bruh

From what i see, u guys arnt playing together at all, 0 coordination. Since hal is the 1 calling shots almost everytime during 3v3 hal is the first to die and evan,jordan is way too far to trade eventually lost every fight they run in notice they dont lose much during 50/50 first drop but lose during mid game fights. Even simple rotation/cross to position they get kill cause hal act too fast left evan and jordan couldn’t keep up and eventually got sniped down from range.

I don’t think this loss defines you.

I play Vantage

live n learn big man

It was one bad lan performance king . Don't be so hard on yourself

They lose 3v3 mentally. Once they died in the first games like that. Even I could feel the stress from here.

79 damage reps lol

Confidence is key to your loss I guess … losing 3 v3 …

I think the teamplay which hal played Was not really good. It is not the only thing who was bad but in my opinion the biggest... bad calls, bad moves, Solo pushes without lookin "where is my team". All together... but look up!

Hal is still banned on his main??

@Aybaybay503

3 ай бұрын

Destroyer legit appeared in the lobby on his banned account 💀

bruh i could say the same thing to horizon, stop giving them more skins bc of popularity

Hello hal

HAL U KEEP OVEREXTENDING

How did he break his leg?

it was probably the bang meta,.... hall never liked bang n never felt comfortable with bang