What other weapon would you like me to test in sparring? If I already have a video on it, I'll respond with the video title and if not, I'll try to make it happen! Appreciate all the support :)

@Tim1000064

5 жыл бұрын

If you ever get access to a proper sparring version of one of these iron fans it would be interesting to see how it holds up against other weapons :)

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I did briefly try to look for ones online. I haven't come across a sparring version, only ones made of plastic or thin wood, and ones made of steel, I'm thinking it's best not to spar with ones made of steel, even if they are non sharpened... :D I may purchase another similar fan and eventually do a sparring video with it again even if it breaks, but probably not right away... got other things to try :) I do feel like solo training with it a bit more, if I do get one, now that I've done some of the techniques in a combative context :)

@Tim1000064

5 жыл бұрын

Yes unfortunately I think the only way to get a sparring one would be a custom model which would be expensive. Whatever the case though it's still fun to see it used even with ones like the one in this video :)

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly :)

@wilhelmu

5 жыл бұрын

you didnt test this one, the guy clearly meant you no harm. he should have charged you while punching wildly,that simple strategy would force you to either drop the fan or get your ass kicked.

Whenever I look up demonstrations of people sparring with fans, I either only find solo forms or pre-constructed demos with no actual combat or contact. Both of which are true art forms and martial arts of their own, but I rarely see the fans used like this in a non-staged fight. This is exactly what I've been looking for. The way that he implemented the fan in his form and even took note of how it could be used as a distraction was genius and very impressive!

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I’ve trained with it before but never actual sparring like this, nor have I seen anyone else do it. I was pleased to be able to apply my techniques under pressure... maybe I should set out to do this one more time snd record it this year :)

@chocoroons

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel Yes, I think that many of us would agree that we would like to watch something like that!

I love how he opened the fan to block the enemies view

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, I managed to se that tactic twice I think. I’ve traned a bit with the fan in the past, but this wasny first time using it in sparring, so it was cool to seehow much I was able to transfer. I spar a lot (animal styles, various weapons, MMA, multiple opponents etc), so I think that helps me adapt and apply under pressure🙏🏻

1:20 blinding with the fan followed by a front kick amazing man!!!

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Omkar:) Having practised that technique "in the air" before, and otherwise only seen stuff like that in movies, it felt great landing that! :)

You just knocked him down with a fan! Never saw fan sparring before but its awesome

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, exactly, I've never seen fan sparring before either. That's why I woke up with the idea to do it and I was happy I was both able to get it recorded and that I was able to apply some of the stuff I've otherwise only practised without an opponent :)

I am a big fan! 😂

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Knew someone would make that remakr :D

@TheEbbemonster

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel 😭😭😭 I thought I was super original!

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheEbbemonster 😱😿

@APCINEMATOGRAPHY

3 жыл бұрын

And so you are

@donnie1238

3 жыл бұрын

hahaha!

kitana is shaking

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!

Everybody gangster til your opponent whips out a fan

So it looks like it is as much of a distraction implement as it is a blunt force impact weapon. Thank you for creating this.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

That is an important aspect of how it can be used. For self defense the same can be done with a jacket or some other improvised weapon. :)

In my eyes that was realy good. I read about, that a fan was used as a form of "shield" and here this is shown very well. I'm surprised, but this looks functional, it's not what i expected, much better

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Salat Junkie (thought it said Silat first :p), I have done one more sparring video with the fan since. I think those are like the only 2 recordings online of it used in sparring. In this video I faced more of a pressure fighter than a distance opponent, which changed the dynamic a lot and I had to resort to grappling, where some of its uses are too dangerous to do in sparring, nonetheless a very interesting sparring session :) Here you go :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKGYsqeff6yvdrQ.html

I like that you try things out. Please dont stop that, its very interessting! Thank you for the video!

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark:) I've trained with the fan before, but never used it in sparring (or seen anyone else do so, for that matter), so it was a great experience testing it and being able to apply many of my techniques in a dynamic combative context. The one thing I think I could have done better, would be to lead more with the hand holding the fan, not that you should always do that, but for the most part I think it would be advantageous for blocking and having further reach. I always felt the fan was most practical closed, but the opened fan also has some advantages, including a greater surface to hit with and obscuring the opponent's vision is a unique advantage with the weapon. :)

The Young Master clip at the end!!!! we are soul brothers now! I've seen that movie a thousand times!!

Very neat. You're most definitely a more accomplished martial artist, but I think your tessen usage needs a bit of work. For instance, the tessen you're using is too small to be made effective the way you're doing it. It's about distraction and speed which means you want to dual wield with one that size. The flash of one tessen can distract from the other's strike. There are larger tessens (and some I wouldn't call tessens but are large enough to be called two handed. While they can be used one handed, they're nothing more than glorified clubs/shields/ and wide arced slashing weapons when fanned out.) I also noticed the outer rib broke real easy on that. It must not have been well made. I sparred with bamboo fans and the joint HOLDING the ribs break before the ribs do. Besides that, there are a few different techniques I did not see employed here, but that's to be expected if this was just your trial with the weapon. When free form sparring many years ago outside of dojos, I used to get laughed at for bringing those. However, one thing that's EASY to improve your use? How to POP it. With the quality of the ones you have I doubt it'd have the same effect, but a well made one that would cost you $50-100 will make a loud as hell crack as you pop it open which caught a lot of people off guard without even hitting them. It's like the crack of a whip. Also learning 'crack' patterns with the fan is another deception because they're trying to figure out which fan it is and is the one being used to attack next. The next thing is what most call fan dancing. You do a lot of straight forward strikes. This is probably only because you are using one fan, but a lot of side slashing motions in different directions is done in this if you're going on the offensive (which... these are defensive weapons mind you) alternating in angles which with the wide arc of the fans is also very distracting The last thing is the 'whip fan'. I don't know what you'd call it but this is the closest example of what it looks like. You can grab the edge of one of the ribs, whip it out and do that loud crack noise, but you're doing it at the end of the rib instead of where the joints are. Those look to be 1' fans so doing this gets you about 2' reach. The other benefit is that with the way the other rib whips out it really hits them hard. Now switching from the standard hold into this is difficult, but a lot of those I sparred with had no idea this could be done, or if they thought it was possible, underestimated both how loud the pop was and how hard the strike is. I know the fans are not 'effective fighting weapons' but I always like seeing people still give them a try :3

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing those tips :) Yeah, I agree. Learn the most practical stuff for combat, but test everything in combat. That's how to get the best understanding I think (of course taolu/kata and drills also have value in training). :)

@medusa3012

2 жыл бұрын

teach me please im a fan user

@dragames

2 жыл бұрын

@@medusa3012 I lack the ability or space to record and practice this again. I may be moving to a much bigger place in a few months and I'd be glad to do it again! But, most of these techniques are pretty easily viewed by other tessen users, though they tend to focus way more on the clubbed aspect or smacking or thrusting with it. if you've a tessen (not just a handfan) try just opening the fan up as fast as you can. Eventually you'll see how your wrist flicking with it will make it open faster enough to hear it pop. The trick then is to practice making it pop when you thrust a rib, or swing the rib at someone. It's just two simple techniques just now adding that loud pop. After you get the popping done, learn how to make the fan fold quicker. This is very similar to the idea of most martial art weapons of how to make them switch their own attack forms, or how sword users practice sheathing and unsheathing. The other unfortunate thing... tessens take a lot of maintenance. Oiling the fabric, fixing the joint, making sure the fabric is firmly attached appropriately onto the right ribs. You'll get in the habit of doing this after a few matches where things like swords only need sharpening rarely and blunt weapons...well generally need very little maintenance. Another thing that can help, look up Kali stick techniques. This is the bulk of what you do with the tessen folded, you just can add popping to a few of the strikes. Never underestimate a loud boom's ability to distract anyone.

@dragames

2 жыл бұрын

@@medusa3012 let's see if this works. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nZuE0ah-eLq8ddI.html So, I figured, while this is a demonstration, you can probably gather some useful things from this in terms of how it's used in actual combat. You can see the many different ways she pops open a fan (though she doesn't do it to make it loud) and then with one unfolded uses it to hide the strikes of the other, or how folded she thrusts/swings with them. These may look just flashy, but take what you can of actual application. remember, the distraction is really the only thing the fans have over other short melee weapons for offense, so you practice doing those. Otherwise, you're just mimicing clubs. but no, you don't generally throw the fans to switch hands as she does in some. That's just for show. You can throw the fans in someone's face though and then go at them with the other fan. Or thrust a fanned out blade upward to give the illusion you are throwing it, even though you're not.

@medusa3012

2 жыл бұрын

thank you so much it's very helpful

I love the sound when a fan opens. So elegant yet strong... Oh its used to distract opponents from their sight! Its just like how Lord Shen fights with his tail

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, the sound is pretty cool and adds a bit of a surprise element. Who is Lord Shen?

@fcccdd6942

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel A bit late but... Lord Shen is the main antagonist from the animated movie “Kung fu panda” And he is a peacock

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

​@@fcccdd6942 Ah, I see. Thanks FcccD :) By the way, this past Sunday, I had the chance to reord one more sparring video with the fan. This time around it was fan vs concealed knife, very excited to share it, especially as I haven't come across any sparring footage with the fan besides this video and now the second one I've created. This weekend I'm sharing a video of the MMA exhibition fight I had this summer... but next weekend again I'm sharing that second fan sparring video, stay tuned (if you wanna be sure to catch it, hit the subscribe button and click the bell icon for post notificiations).

Can’t help but think of Princess Kitana. And I love it.

Great video Michael! Glad you mentioned the iron lining in ancient fans. I love how you blocked his vision with it during the sparring.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Zack, yeah, I wanted this one to be both entertaining and a bit informative. I think it can also open some people's minds a bit, that stuff like that for instance blocking the opponent's vision with the fan can be used in sparring. By the way, I've spend most of today recording at an awesome gym facility with a ring... with 2 martial arts buddies, who are super passioante about martial arts, and have become "team Zen-Dragon"... I recorded part 2 of Kung Fu vs Muay Thai with one of them, and it was intense! Also got some other nice sparring recordings and one combination drill with a cool piece of equipment :) Not sure when it'll be out as I have lots of other recordings and videos in progress :)

I really enjoyed that. I loved the classic single leg stances when you would strike with the fan.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I liked that as well. It's cool applying the techniques from kung fu forms in sparring, especially with a weapon like the fan. I recorded a part 2 of the Muay Thai vs Kung Fu sparring video, inside a ring, we went harder than in the previous one and it should make for a very good video once it's out. Also recorded some more sparring and a nice combination drill. :)

Wow that was sooooo amazing. The part where you throw the fan send me in shock

@edwardkoo8564

5 жыл бұрын

I think I'm gonna try that with my iron fan

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was an unexpected, but very cool ending to the sparring session. I spontaneously decided threw the fan planning to follow up with a jumping kick. My idea was as much to throw it as a distraction to land my kick as it was to throw it as an attack, a bit of both, but when he got hit by the throat he dropped to the ground, which would be the realistic response if it had been a sharpened war fan, so it produced a cool moment and a great way to end the sparring. :)

That's really cool! I haven't seen many people use that sort of weapon. Nice video! :)

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dev! Yeah, I've actually never seen this used in sparring before, only in fightscenes and taolu performances. :) I recorded more content today, most of it sparring, including a part 2 of the Muay Thai vs Kung Fu one, inside a ring and we went harder this time.. got many other recordings, so we'll see when it comes out... but I'm excited about a lot of the recordings I've yet to share. :)

This was a cool topic for a video. Maybe you could try out like the hema style of sparring but you can test traditional kung fu weapons in the future? Just a suggestion. Keep up the great work, love your channel :)

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

That would be very cool. Some of the sparring I did with the Vesuvian Sheeps in Italy was kind of like HEMA but with asian weapons instead (mostly chinese, some japanese). If you're curious check out this video, where there's lots of clips from my meetup with the Vesuvian Sheeps kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4R7xdCpednJnrw.html (all the weapon sparring recorded there can also be found on the weapon sparring playlist).

Another fun video to watch! While the iron fan isn't as deadly as a more optimised weapon like a sword or dagger it can still be used quite effectively in self defence, especially against an unarmed opponent. I seem to remember hearing that it was sometimes carried for self defence in Japan when it wasn't appropriate to carry a sword but you still wanted something to protect you if things went down. I can also imagine it might work well as a parrying weapon alongside a sword.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I believe in Japan it's called a tessel. In China during a period where it was illegal to cary weapons, the fan became used as an improvised weapon. Due to the climate in some parts of China, the fan was quite common, and just like a pen, a bottle, or a pair of keys, it makes for a useful self defense weapon. Eventually fans were designed particularly for fighting, with the sharp metal at the ends, which made them more durable and not just for blocking, striking and hooking, but cutting as well. This mirrors modern day, where you can buy tactical pens and flashlights designed for blunt force which hit harder and are more durable... still a regular pen or flashlight can work well as an improvised weapon, if you don't have the concealed actual weapon of a tactical flashlight... or a war far/fighting fan/iron fan/steel fan/taji fan/kung fu fan/tessel/whatever you wanna call it :)

@Tim1000064

5 жыл бұрын

That's a fascinating point, I never thought of how similar an idea it is to a tactical pen! Especially the Japanese version which is often used like a small baton. :)

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I realised that at some point, and it was an interesting parallel. The same goes for other martial arts weapons (not all but some), which were initially used as farming tools rather than designed for warfare or self defense, for instance the sai was according to some sources used as a farming too (to grow rice, if I remember properly).

@Tim1000064

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel Yes that's true for a lot of weapons I think! Quite a lot of polearms have there origin in farming tools too :)

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like the trident, it would be awesome to have a sparring version of that, but I'd have to have fencing type of headgear, as you can easily get poked in the eyes with that). I think you saw my video of the one time I sparred with an opponent using a trident, right? Pudao vs Trident sparring. :)

Super great video!!!!!! Michael you handle the fan very well exelent job and good kick to the body from the karate guy:D

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yeah, he has a nice sidekick :) And other kicks, but the sidekick is what got me, probably cuz it's a rangy kick so it was a great tool against my reach advantage with the fan.

Amazing technique! Refreshing to see a fan used as a weapon of choice.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jadino. I think it's extremely rare for people to pressure test what they've learned with the fan. Untill recently, I'm pretty sure this video is the only footage of a fan used in actual sparring, but good news this year I had the chance to do it again, here's the video kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKGYsqeff6yvdrQ.html The opponent was not so much a distance fighter but more of a pressure fighter, so I had to adapt when it ended up on the ground. :)

Ngl this is very helpful. Thank you for uploading this, I'm writing a character who fights with fans (Not as a main weapon tho-) and I wanted to be somewhat accurate.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

3 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome🙏🏻

Had been curious about fan application in sparring, so this is an awesome experiment! :D That fan throw, tho! Nicely executed! :) Also liked how you used the fan as a distractive tool against your opponent. Lots of cutting could've took place if the weapon was iron and had blades, like you said. Your sparring partner is a good sport to put himself to the test with you and your fan in this experiment. Thanks for sharing the fun spar with us! ^_^

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

For sure he is! Actually, I'll let you in on something, which will be announced in a video once it's out (I have lots of recordings right now, recorded a bunch today), that karateka, who recently started training JKD, he is part of team Zen-Dragon alongside the guy from the Muay Thai vs Kung Fu sparring video (who's also appeared in Live Self Defense Experiment, where he was to surprise attack me while I was talking with the live audience, as well as a virtual sparring video).... anyways, I recorded part 2 of Muay Thai vs Kung Fu with him in a ring and we went pretty hard... it will make for a great video, once it comes out... :)

@JasonRainwater

5 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to watching it! :)

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

👊

Super cool!!

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I've been fortunate to record some interesting sparring this year. Lots of style vs style sparring and some weapon sparring...and there's more to come :)

Wow, I've always wondered if you could actually fight with those. This is amazing, it seems to be quite effective. I but it would be even more effective with a proper iron fan

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

True :) One thing I could have done better would be to lead more with the hand holding the fan for further reach. That said, I think I did rather well (this being my first time sparring with one, only trained without opponents before).

Actual practical applications of Sun Tzu's Art of War. you have pleasantly surprised me and helped me with my combat robot training prototype. thank you. subscribed.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

Жыл бұрын

Awesome Douglas, I appreciate that… I have one more sparring vdeo with this weapon, but where it ended up on the ground and I used my BJJ along with Kung Fu. Combat is never predictable :p Here is that video kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKGYsqeff6yvdrQ.html

I’m sorry but the way he was holding the fan it looked like he was killing a spider🤣

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

That's a new one :p The 2 ways I hold the fan (closed and open) are Kung Fu ways of holding it.

Beautiful fighting 💖

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Susie, glad you enjoyed the video :)

Whenever the fan opened, I thought: John Cena

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

Жыл бұрын

Does John Cena use a fan like that? My association is Jackie Chan. :p I watched pro wrestling as a kid (Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, Sting, Flair, those days) and later as an adult around the time John Cena first entered WWE with a rapper gimmick and the "You Can't C Me" thing or something. :)

@anndroid5147

Жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel Yeah :D maybe he would have benefitted using a fan instead of his hands lol

i never thought that would be so effective ... nice

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Mark :) This was my first time sparring with it, so I wasn't sure I'd be able to apply the techniques I'd trained without a resisting opponent, but I think having done lots of weapon sparring, has made it easier for me to apply the techniques I practise in sparring. I've never seen any sparring ever before with this weapon, so I'm glad I was able to have and share this experience :) The key to being able to make something effective, is how you train it:)

Wow you are very skilled, you inspired me to get a war fan like that! 😀👍👍👍

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happy to be of inspiration. It's rare to see this weapon used in sparring, so I am happy to have been able to record something rare with this video. :)

@christianyes4127

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Zen dragon! You are like the Bruce Lee in training

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@christianyes4127 Thank you. Bruce Lee is such an inspiration to me and many other martial artists. I am much better now than I was when I started, I am better than I was a year ago. That's a good way to measure progress I think. Don't get sucked into comparisons with others, you'll always be able to find someone better, and as soon as you've picked up just a few skills, you'll be able to find someone with less skill... but I think neither focus is constructive. Compete with yourself, even when sparring opponents or whatever it might be, it's a journey of self improvement and the true enemy is one's ego, so just enjoy the process and look back after a while and notice the improvements you've made:)

@christianyes4127

5 жыл бұрын

Thxs! I will!

Lol that was impressive. IF that work in a decent way with the wooden fan , I think the metal one Will be Very Crazy

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Indeed. IF you are used to testing things in sparring so you'll be able to adapt the techniques in a dynamic combative cotnext, then both the simple and some of the flashy stuff can work, especially with a sharpened metal one but that would be too lethal for sparring.

You're amazing. Great Tessenjutsu work. Don't listen to the people telling you how you could've done it better. They're looking for stage performance and history lessons. Did you kick his ass? Yes, you did. Then it worked.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, yeah combat will never look exactly like a stage performances, but some of the fancy stuff can work, as lng as you've got the experience, know how to set it up and know when and when not to do it. It's all about having a well rounded skillset and training Kung Fu or whatever martial art in a combat preparing manner (if you want to be able to use it like that, martial arts has many other purposes as well). :) Hope you check out some more content Mignon :)

Fan-tastic job.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there ;)

Kitana who never heard of her

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

She's a video game character from Mortal Kombat, or am I mistaken?

@symkahn8720

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel yeah she is from a video game it was a job but i loved this so much i want to do this

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@symkahn8720 Some other videos you may enjoy would be my Animal Style Kung Fu vs Karate, and my Animal Style Kung Fu vs Muay Thai (got 2 sparring videos, one outdoors and one inside a ring), as well as my many weapon sparring videos (sai, nunchaku, trident, broadsword, guan dao, tonfa, all kinds of weapons).

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@dominik8125 I'm gonna do a video game compilation at some point with characters whose weapons and moves I've used in sparring.... I have done something not too different as a collab with Martial Gamer, but not much of it was sparring footage and I've gotten so many more recordings since.

Is there any videos that can be found here on YT for learning dual war fans dance?

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Not that I know of, I have not seen this weapon used as a dual weapon, however I can tell you that I am planning on doing one more fan sparring video this year :)

Szukałem czegoś takiego, dzieki

I want to get one to test on my show are the blades sharp? All the ones ive seen are blunt! Maybe i could get both to see the difference.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

The blades weren't sharp in the one we tested, it would be too dangerous. But it would be awesome for you to test a sharp version on your show, that would be super cool! Btw, I just dropped a Wing Chun in MMA compilation, check it out! :)

If this was a steel fan and used by someone like you, the results could be nasty.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Got myself a new fn which I will spar with once more when society reopens. This one is wooden rather than plastic (steel is too dangerous), it will probably break at some point, my sparring partner will have to be one willing to potentially get some big splinters and scratches :)

Good video. I think everyone's favorite is when you threw the fan

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was a cool moment for sure :) He felt it as a strike to the throat, but had it been a sharp fan designed for self defense it would have been lethal.... so it was appropriate for him to fall down... In my mind I was doing it as a distraction to set up that jumping kick, but when he fell down like he realistically would if it was sharp, that made for a cool ending. Recorded lots of sparring today... 3 fights with me, and one between the two opponents I faced today (same from the Muay Thai and Karate sparring video), I liked all the matches for different, but the Kung Fu vs Muay Thai part 2 was probably the most intense. It's a good thing none of us got seriously hurt... we recorded inside a ring and that definitely suited the muay thai style more I felt, can't wait to share that one. :)

I made paper fan and "fought" by it Its really fun Your video is very neat!! I LIKE IT

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Cool, it’s good to be resourceful like that

@kioku898

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel yess

Amazing, you can try a sparring with a chain whip, you can use a string and a tennis ball💪🏽

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

I don't have any experience yet using one (though I've trained with 3 sectional staff and sparred with nunchaku, but I'd still need to train with it before trying it out)... I did one time have the chance to spar against someone using a chain whip, or meteor hammer rather, which was made more or less like that, but honestly I chickened out. It was when I met up with the Vesuvian Sheeps (if you search "Zen Dragon Napoli" you'll find the video sharing my adventure meeting up with them) I'd done lots of weapon sparring that day, and I'd just healed from an eye poke injury from sparring vs capoeira earlier that week... I felt I'd tested my luck enough (already had scratches from sparring with pudao vs trident). If you search for The Vesuvian Sheeps chain whip, you'll find, probably the only online footage of someone sparring full contact with a meteorhammer!

Interesting! .. so it works !

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

The key to making something work, is to learn the techniques and then test them in sparring. Some techniques are simpler and easier to use under pressure, but any legitimate martial art based on principles of the human anatomy will work, it's just a matter of trianing properly to make it work and sparring is key.

Which movie is featured at the end ? Great video

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Stone D thanks, I’m not sure, but it’s with Jackie Chan:)

It would be interesting to see such combat if it is heavy steel fan (at least 1/2 kg weight) and used against fighter with short stick etc.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

If I get the chance to try with proper body armour, I will :) For now, I think this is the only sparring video I've seen with the weapon.

Another awesome video Zen! I too have used alot of the weapons in sparring that you generally do not see used. But never with the fan, haha! If we should meet and you wanna try your luck against the rope dart, I'm so game! ^~^

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

That would be very cool, as long as we can do it in a safe manner. I live in Denmark, where are you from LoneSnivy? And what weapons have you tested in sparring besides the ropedart? Which is something I'd love to see, only footage of it I've seen in sparring has been from the Vesuvian Sheeps, which I became a special inductee of when I visited them in Italy, great group of martial artists testing weapons in sparring :)

@WhiteApeMA

5 жыл бұрын

Zen-Dragon Wow that's really cool! Yes I am from California, US and have had alot of fun throughout my time doing my thing, and have sparred using the rope dart, chain whip and double chain whip, spear, jian (this one quite a bit), hook swords, three sectional staff (a favorite fighting weapon of mine), tiger fork/trident, wind and fire wheels, oh man haha! Lots if stuff. Granted though it has been a while since the friend I spar with has been able to get together with me, and I have been focused on Capoeira lately. Yes, I use safe equipment for sparring, so we can make it happen someday maybe! ^~^

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@WhiteApeMA If you come to Denmark let's do it. Also, if you DO get to record some chaip whip or rope dart sparring, then I'd love to use it for a collaboration video, where you can send me the footage using WeTransfer, and at the end put a subscribe link to your channel. :) But I understand that can be difficult to set up, I have a whole playlist of weapon sparring, and I wanna get a sparring safe 3 sectional staff with rope instead of chain and foam wrapping, as I'm pretty sure I can apply my 3 sectional staff skills (not that high level, but I can do some moves) in a combative context. I also have 2 Kung Fu vs Capoeira sparring videos, the one where I'm wearing a shirt isn't very good though, the other is much better. Did you watch my Kung Fu vs Muay Thai sparring match with 3 rounds in the ring? :) If not I'll send ya the link :)

@WhiteApeMA

5 жыл бұрын

Zen-Dragon I did see you going up against the Capoeirista that was quite good! I've been with a class in my town here for about six months now and am having a blast with it. So it was neat to see it in sparring. Vs. Muay Thai? No I don't think I saw that one. Sounds awesome I'll check it out!

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

LoneSnivy here it is, there’s also a previous sparring between us using the same styles, where I land more but we weren’t going as hard as in this one. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z46nqZSIk6m4gbA.html

That "blackbelt" isn't even sparring back

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

He is, but two factors played a part in him not landing much. He did land a couple of sidekicks, but for the most part he was out of range. 1: My increased range due to the weapon. 2: The unfamiliarity with the situation. He's never sparred with such a weapon (neither had I, I'd practised with the fan before, but never in a dynamic combative context)... also he got cut a bit, this wasn't a war fan designed to cut, that would have been way too dangerous, but still when the fan broke it had some sharp pieces of plastic, you can't tell that well in the video, but he shows a few cuts on his hands and fingers.

It's very useful for Mestubushi, as well. This is more of a Japanese application of the same weapon, but the "Cuts" you demonstrate forward in your Kata video, can be used to unfurl it right in someone's face, 1:20 So, they raise their guard, and can't see what you do with the other hand. (I usually follow-up with a palm uppercut to the chin, so I can go low for a sweep. If they can't look down, they can't see you to counter, and it also exposes the throat to a spine furl. Whack them with the back edge, so it folds up, and all those spines impact their throat, which is not particularly good for their breathing.) I've also put on a burlesque show, with glitter folded into the fan so it bursts out, and I can fan it in the air. Usually leaning back for the overhand flares, which pop them up over me, for a really flashy effect in stage lights. Folded, it's basically just a Kubaton for pressure points, and blocking.

@Psiberzerker

5 жыл бұрын

I know the Japanese Ryukku techniques better than the Shao-Lin styles, personally. I used to wannabe a Ninja when I grew up in the 80s, but I mostly outgrew it.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, interesting. Yes, it's like a larger kubatan when folded.:) A lot of improvised weapons can be used like that for blunt impact and assisting in blocking.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@Psiberzerker Haha mostly :p No shame in wanting to be a ninja, I think most martial artist including a lot of pro fighters are somewhat living their ninja dream :p

@Psiberzerker

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel Well, I moved over to HEMA, and predominantly pole-arms. (Especially Lucerne Hammer) So, I lived my blacksmith/adventurer D&Dream for a while in the 00s.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@Psiberzerker Cool... I recently purchased 3 weapons from Playwel.co.uk, one a polypropylene broadsword for sparring and a pair of deer horn knives also for sparring, as well as a kan dao/dadao of spring steel I think (a short military saber). I actually tried to order a polearm, a gi (which is a spear with a crescent blade for chopping down as well), it was designed for sparring but unfortunately they didn't have it in stock and I had to cancel that part of the order.

I love the finisher ha

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yea me too! It was so cool that he just dropped, I'm sure he felt, but not enough to drop, yet in that moment he realised that a sharpened war fan would have pierced his throat. In my mind I was throwing it as a distraction to set up that jumping kick, very cool ending! By the way, I recorded some more sparring today... all of it empty handed, I sparred 3 times with 2 opponents, and recorded them spar once against each other. One of the videos was a part 2 of the Muay Thai vs Kung Fu sparring video, and we went harder this time, pretty intense inside a ring, I got cornered more than I would have liked :p We both had some cool moments though. I also recorded 2 where I sparred not using animal techniques but more sanda/sanshou like fighting.

Who is the karateka ? Saw him on some of your videos. He's really good 👍

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

He is. His name is Alex, today I met up with him and the guy from the Muay Thai vs Kung Fu sparring video... both are great guys, very friendly, passionate about martial arts and have fighting spirit. Actually, we've decided to let them become team Zen-Dragon members, it'll be announced in an upcoming video. Anyways, the guy has trained Kyokushin and Goju Ryu Karate, he's a black belt in Goju Ryu. But he is currently training Jeet Kune Do, which he has less experience with than Karate, but which is the style he likes best, the style of no style. Thus far, we've only seen him do Karate on this channel, but I've got sparring recordings where he's doing JKD as well (his expression of it). He's very quick and explosive. :)

Я тоже считаю веер разрешённым эффективным оружием 😊

Not sure what happened to Sean Knot's comment about wrestlers grabbing the weapon, but here's my response. "If they snatch the weapon, the fight procedes from there. Had it been a lethal warfan designed for self defense, the wrestler might or might not have been cut closing the distance, if not the fight would have proceded. Like any weapon, including improvised ones such as a pen, a set of keys, or whatever it might be, it's just a tool. When the fan is closed, it's similar to a club. At very close range the icepick grip with the fan closed would work the best, but if you have to let go of it, you let go. I fully respect wrestling, wrestlers train very hard and are difficult to deal with... but that doesn't mean this is useless. :) Anyways, I'm happy for you that you've trained martial arts for such a long time :)"

So basically the fan is used to land critical hits and slices and to restrict the opponent?

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Yes and for hooking techniques. In this sparring you see me use the opened fan a lot, but it is also highly practical when closed (like it is some of the time when I strike with it like a stick). The tutorial linked below shows some of those strikes and the hooking, as well as the distraction aspect. kzread.info/dash/bejne/k32twaeTp9GbdtI.html

Street fighter vs I forgot

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

Жыл бұрын

Ken from Street Fighter vs Zen-Dragon :D Not sure you've seen it, but I just uploaded a Fan vs Butterfly Knives sparring video. But honestly I think the best fan sparring video on this channel is the one vs opponent with concealed knife, that one has both stand up action and submissions.

The young master xd u know it ^^

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Cool how to use a fan as a weapon 🎏🎎🧧🎐🏮

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, I plan on doing one more video like this year (as well as maybe an amateue kickboxing and MMA fight, plenty of plans)

Fan combat yesss

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Right on, explore some more ofmy content, you’ll find more unique content like this. I cover a lot of stuff, so the playlists are s good way to find the stuff you’re most interested in

4:56 Mai Shiranui is proud

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

👊

Not fair you got weapon！

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

wei ying xue true I offered him to do Fan versus Sai (I’ve got a polypropylene one for sparring), but he eanted to fo empty handed as Kobudo wasn’t much part of his Karate training

I read somewhere that Miyamoto Musashi was beaten with a fan (by a ninja.)

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, if you remember correcly, I wonder if that's factual or simply a myth. It can be difficult to tell with information dating that far back. :) I do think the fan or tessel would be one of the weapons ninjas liked to cary, as it's light and concealed. I also think they were probably skilled at using improvised weapons, like even a fan not designed as a weapon, might become one in the hands of a ninja. That said, I've heard that the ninjas while skilled in combat, were more focused on espionage and often managed to avoid physical conflicts.

Phantasy star portable 2 brought me here.

Hey are u Ken from the street fighter?

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Haha, nah, but as a kid if someone told me I'd end up being compared to that character more than once, I'd be estatic. :p The coolest martial arts character I think though, is Robin Shou's portrayal of Liu Kang in the movie Mortal Kombat :)

kitana would be disappointed

yall seen that video of xu xiaodong the overweight middleage mma fighter absolutely dunking on a chinese tai chi kung fu grandmaster

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

3 жыл бұрын

For sure, so many fake Chinese masters have been exposedby him, only motivates me further to show people that Kung Fu can work when the training involves pressure testing... i’ve shown this in numerous sparring videos and a few amateur fights on this channel

Gaal. Vidste slet ikke man kunne bruge sådanne effekter uden det var fordi det var et stunt til tv 😅 Nice one champ 💪🏻❤️

@Mathuyius

5 жыл бұрын

Finally

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Det troede jeg faktisk heller ikke i noget tid. Vidste godt man kunne lave cirkelspark og den slags, men fancy teknikker med vifte, det troede jeg kun var til film. Men som alt andet afhænger det af hvordan man træner det, har trænet med vifte før, men det her er første gang jeg har brugt den i rigtig sparring, og har heller aldrig før set nogen sparre med en vifte. Der var ting jeg ku justere, men er godt tilfreds med hvor meget jeg lykkedes med, tror at det at jeg har sparet med forskellige stilarter, våben, osv. gør at jeg er blevet langt bedre til at bruge de ting jeg lærer i sparring. :)

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Son of grace, I feel the same way. :p I've never seen the fan used outside of forms or movies! I'd trained with it before, but this was my first time using it in sparring! So I'm happy to be able to provide something people wouldn't get to see otherwise :)

It is time... to lipsink for you LIIIIIIFFFEEE!!!!!!!

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Huh? Don't get the reference. :) Hope you enjoyed the video.

Is it too late for me to start learning Martial Arts? I'm 30. How old were you when you started Martial Arts?

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

I was 24, thinking it was too late for me (33 now) ;) It is NEVER too late brother. :) What you put into it is what you get, and if you start and keep practising till you're 40, you'll have 10 years martial arts experience at the age of that. Just don't focus on the destination and enjoy the journey. You can probably attend some free trial lessons, there's so many different styles of martial arts, and the instructor and community where you train is also a factor, so try a couple of places out and pick one :)

@blockmasterscott

5 жыл бұрын

Dude, 30 is the prime of your life. You’re at the perfect age to start. Young teenagers have more physical ability but not yet the mental discipline. Right now could not be a better time to start.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Definitely start. Your competition is with yourself, keep that in mind. You'll grow mentally and learn a lot of skills on your journey if you take that first step and keep walking it, Joshua. I really love inspiring people to take up martial arts, as it's had such a profound positive impact on my life. :)

id like you to use that fan more as a hidden technique, dont just go weaving it, keep it and when you decide to use it just flash it to blind and hide a attack. also dont swing it if you decide to hit with it, use it more as a longer distance stab attack but make sure the fan is straight and not fanned out so its more durable, you can flip it around to use the hard part that you hold. just my inputs opinions , but enjoy that you trying different things.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, good points. It can be used as a concealed weapon, and be pulled out in combat. In this context the opponent knew I had the fan. It's not an obvious weapon either, so there's a bigger chance someone would attack a person that's using a fan to keep cool, rather than attack someone standing with a sword in hand. I've always felt that the fan was most practical when not fanned out. This was my first experience using it in sparring, and I wanted to test both ways of using it, as both are done a lot in forms and such, and I was actually surprised how well it worked when fanned out. It's less durable, even if it was a steel fan, but eventhough it broke a bit, that didn't stop it from being useful and this was a cheap plastic version... a steel fan would have lasted much better. It's good to be mindful that in addition to using it open and closed, both ends can be used like you said, I did flip it at one point at one point flip it (at 4:36, may have done it once or twice more as well)... I would have loved to get to use it's hooking capabilities as well, but it didn' happen, however openeing it up to obscure the opponent's vision worked quite well, I did it more than once and it kept working as an element of distraction, obviously it works best the first time and in a fight with lethal intentions, if you do it get to use that tactic it's probably just once... self defense situations tend not to last as long as sparring or even combat sport fights.

@NreharTheTowerKiller

5 жыл бұрын

nice open mindedness, that will take you farther than most practitioners who think they are the master. Heck i still got a lot to learn myself and always love feedback good or bad so i know what to improve. @@ZenDragonKZreadChannel

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@NreharTheTowerKiller I believe life in general should be approached as a lifelong journey of learning, certainly martial arts should :)

So is that the new type of Airbending?

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Trying to, but yet to bend the air ;) Check out this second sparring video with the fan kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKGYsqeff6yvdrQ.html Different type of opponent, had to rely and other sides of my skillset.

@StayCoolAsh

2 жыл бұрын

I will be sure to check it out I just got into fan fighting and this is really useful well we can’t bend the air but at least we can shoot it in peoples directions

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@StayCoolAsh Exactly, honestly I've trained with the fan a bit prior to these 2 sparring videos, learned some principles from my sifu but no extensive training with it, but the 2 times I've sparred with it for videos have been the only times I've tried sparring with it... and not only that, it's the only recordings I've come across of anyone ever sparring with the fan. I do believe this is the only footage you'll find online. So I'm very happy to have provided some footage and recordings of techniques working and what it can look like... maybe I'll record a third fan sparring video at some point this year if I get the chance. I think the reason why I was able to pull off a lot of the stuff, especially in this one where my opponent's fighting style left me more space, was not so much that I'm high level with the fan, but rather that I've sparred with tons of different weapons (there's a playlist full of sparring with all kinds of Kung Fu & Karate weapons this channel) as well as many different types of empty handed sparring, so I'm good at adapting and applying the stuff I learn in a combative context, for the most part at least.

It really is 80 percent distraction and 20 percent weapon lol, but nice job guys, next time please can we see Katana VS Cucumber? 😁

@smoothchillfmthenotquiteli3431

2 жыл бұрын

Better make that Dragon Sword lol

Can a fan hurt?

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yup. When it's closed it works like a club/stick, when opened if it's one designed as a weapon, it'll have sharp points at the end and be able to cut when opened. In this case it was neither designed for combat nor sparring, it was just a cheap one for taolu practise and such. He did get cut a few times though as it broke off it's plastic was sharp in some parts, but it wasn't deadly like one designed for combat. A fan not designed for fighting can still be used as an improvised weapon, as can even a rolled togeter newspaper, but once people started using their fans to fight there were designed sharpened ones which made for a truly deadly weapon.

Your videos are proof that traditional Chinese martial arts do work.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I wanna show with all my Kung Fu related content! :) Feel free to share this or other similar videos. I recorded a hard sparring session Kung Fu vs Muay Thai inside a ring today, same opponent as last time, but this was harder sparring. :)

Definitely diversive with the noise.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, the noise combined with it's ability to obscure the opponent's vision makes it pretty unique. :)

preserving that art is one thing some BS sparring with a guy who's not even trying to hurt you is where this becomes bullshit.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

He is trying to land shots on me, and also manages a few time, though I have a clear reach advantage with the fan. I have also practised with the fan without using it in sparring, but there's nothing wrong with testing the techniques in sparring, I think that's exactly what there's needed more of with traditional martial arts. Even if it's light contact, it teaches you something. In this one the fan proke, he landed a solid sidekick to my midsection and he got some cuts from the broken fan... had it been a sharpened steel one, it probably would have lasted longer, but he wouldn't, as it would have sliced his throat when I threw it at him.

@seanknot

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel he touches you and runs away once. That's not how anybody fights. Of course you get cuts. If you ever try fight someone even with a plastic knife you get cut. I've seen a good boxer get stabbed from an over hand knife motion while landing a punch, nothing is perfect. difference is he didnt get up to stab my friend twice. soon as you swung that fan any decent grappler is going two on one and youre going for a ride. And that guy can't box a lick

The papercuts will destroy him!

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

If it was one of the ones designed as a weapon and not for training or keeping cool, the sharp metal ends would slice... if it's how they were at first used as an improvised weapon (like you can use a backpack, or a belt, or whatever), then the wooden stick would hurt and the paper cuts might do something the paper would serve to block and distract untill it broke. Check out this second fan sparring video, where I face more of a pressure fighter with a concealed knife and it ends up on the ground. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKGYsqeff6yvdrQ.html

@whathappenedto9374

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel thx for reply. The best use for the fan i can see in your video was by using it for distracting and hiding your actions, which can give you an advantage against unarmed. I understand its difficult to use a fan in a fight and i clearly see you struggle a bit. The fan is not a primary weapon as for real damage you use your legs and arms. I was mocking the fan a lot but thanks to your video i clearly see how it can be used. Regardless of other more deadly or effective weapons.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@whathappenedto9374 Yeah, during formal Kung Fu training I only got to practise with the fan "in the air", which is the only way I've seen others practise with it... I was lucky to train Kung Fu at a place with empty handed sparring (although not full MMA rules, I was able to spar after class with guys who'd practised various other things before joining the club) eventually i started training Krav Maga and MMA, and I pressure test everything from weapons like this to animal styles, to more MMA like sparring with Kung Fu kicks, etc. I was surprised at how effectve it proved to use the fan as a distraction, and I do agree that it's more of an extra tool to incorporate with your empty handed skills unlike a knife where you can do well just knowing how to use a knife, but I will also note that for safety purposes, there's stuff that's efficient with the knife (close range strikes with the fan closed, like a short stick or kubotan even), that just can't be done to the face or throat etc without really messing up the opponent... Not sure if you watched that video I linked yet, but we ended up on the ground several times, where I was able to use my BJJ skills, but the first time he got a hold of the fan but had to hold back in terms of striking with it in close range on the ground.

@whathappenedto9374

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel I did not watch the other video but i will now. I still find it interesting to see the fan used in a sparring environment. Traditionally its a rather ceremonial weapon and it takes a master to handle it correctly. There is no much video of good fan combat use. I really appreciate, the video has some educational purposes.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@whathappenedto9374 Thanks, yeah I feel really good about this video and it took me more than a year to get the chance to spar with the fan again and record it (timing with busy lives and needing to find a willing opponent etc)... I've yet to come across any other sparring videos with the fan, pretty sure I doubled the amount of footage of the fan used in actual sparring the moment I created that second video :)

I see potential in you, you can become much more experienced in this martial arts or other martial arts if you are going to train in China(shaolin temple, kung fu school,...)... maybe try that out if martial arts means something to you. In China they train you the best because in western countries martial arts is not teached that well as in Asian countries sadly enough

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you :) I have trained Kung Fu for 10 years in Denmark, while also meeting other martial artists and learning from them here and there (not just Kung Fu) and last year I stopped training Kung Fu at the kwoon where I was a student/instructor, to be able to train Krav Maga, This year I am training at an MMA gym, I have mostly trained BJJ as ground fighting is what I had the least skills in, but since recently taking on a kickboxing fight against a larger stronger opponent, I have taken kickboxing classes. All the while I've always trained Kung Fu as well on my own, and when recording content for this channel, I've tested everything from animal style and various Kung Fu weapons to sanda like fighting in sparring. In my kickboxing fight I will blend boxing like punches with my Kung Fu kicks.

Used wrong........this is like "what's the best gun ever".........a very specific tool applied in a very abstract way

Eeks paper cut is the worst

I always wondered why fans as weapons are not seen that often, and now i know... it's because they suck. The only tactical advantage i see is that they can be used to block the opponent's field of view, but i'm sure there are way better tools for that.

Interesting. Karate practitioner needs to go grab something too. Although karate does translate to, "empty hand" or "chinese hand."

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if they've trained Kobudo they've learned the use of weapons. I offered him my polypropylene sai, but he hadn't practised much with sai so prefered to fight empty handed, like the meaning of karate, as you pointed out :)

@willms7173

5 жыл бұрын

When I hear Kobudo, I think of Fumio Demura.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

A true legend:) Did you watch the documentary on him, The Real Mr Miyagi? I believe it is on Netflix.

@willms7173

5 жыл бұрын

No, I'll look out for the documentary.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

I've only seen half of it, but what I did catch was interesting. I plan on sharing a Karate vs Muay Thai video this Sunday, but if I don't, it'll because I'm moving appartment tomorrow, so not sure the Internet will work properly by Sunday, hope so :)

Kitana Wins !

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Knew someone would say that! :p Just uploaded a video on Chuck Norris by the way :)

@arthusjoseph1761

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel I loved the video I want to learn more about Tessen but I do not know where to start and what kind of class should I do, can you help me?

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Arthus Joseph I can’t recommend a school, but I can offer this tutorial kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4ypxKyOp7zfnZs.html I also have 2 more tytorials, and Sifu Kuttel (KZreadr) has several tutorials as well. Get yourself a fan and practise from those tutorials, then eventually find the nearest Kung Fu kwoon :)

@arthusjoseph1761

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel thank you really thank you for your attention, it is so difficult to find youtubers attentive, sincerely thank you !!!

Hilarious!

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Not intented to be, but glad you enjoyed watching. Check out the second fan sparring video on this channel (and all of KZread, I believe), which I recorded this year kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKGYsqeff6yvdrQ.html

If that guy would actually punch you instead of back peddling that fight would have been over in seconds, or atleast the fan would be. Get someone outside of your own to spar and test it

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

This was someone outside of "my own", I met the guy a while back at a JKD session. He's trained Karate for a long time and now trains JKD, I've trained Kung Fu for close to 10 years and now train Krav Maga (simply because I can't attend classes in both, and have lots of experience from Kung Fu and want to train something more self defense focused). The point isn't to constantly walk around fighting with a fan, I've practised a handful of techniques with it before in taolu and non resisting applications, and I believe in testing everything in some form of sparring, be it light contact, medium, hard, multiple opponents whatever. This was mostly to open people's minds, not to say that a fan would last forever... a lot of this is fancy Kung Fu, which I'm happy I was able to pull off in sparring, but for a practical self defense context, if that's your perspective, most of this is too complicated... still there are certain takeaways, using an object to distract the opponent's vision can work, if you get attacked with a jacket or something else in your hand... a tactic depending on the circumstances could be to swing the jacket and then throw it on the attacker to temporarily block the vision, as you go in for a knee strike to the groin... for instance. Also when the fan is closed, it can be used like a club, which can be done with even a magazine or something, but preferably a thick stick or iron bar... you don't have to be fancy and do spinning backfists with it, like I did with the closed fan... just like you don't have to jump off the side of the cage and do a showtime kick like Anothony Pettis... fancy techniques CAN work, but they're not reliable enough or the tactically best options for self defense. If you watch my 2 vs 1 Self Defense sparring, my approach is very different.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

I think he did punch at some point, the fan did break as it was not designed for sparring (such aren't available anywhere that I can find, I think because very few have actually tested their fan techniques in sparring like this, so there's yet to be a market for it), but it continued to be of use, had it broken completely I would have simply continued empty handed. He didn't do a lot of punching, I think a part of the reason was that he was getting cut when I struck with the fan as it's plastic was broken and somewhat sharp... it had been sharper of course if it had been a sharpened steel fan, like the ones historically used for self defense.

@pitbullseatkids2682

5 жыл бұрын

sounds like you hit a nerve wukong lol

@x6xSKULLx6x

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't ask for a history lesson, I stated that guy did not throw anything but maybe a kick or so and grabbed the fan, while you did flashy kung fu on him. What I meant is get someone who will actually hit you.

@x6xSKULLx6x

5 жыл бұрын

@OriginalWholeHog I mean I guess so considering he gave me a book.

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Kkkk o cara vai armado lutar com o outro.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Huh?

Haha😆

😂😂😂😂

Sparring, not a fight :b.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

4 жыл бұрын

True... but in a fight this weapon would be deadly, i'd say this is less clickbait than the average martial arts video on KZread. Hope you enjoyed the sparring, it's rare to find this kind of sparring :)

next time could you try with a real fighter?

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

Your lack of respect for the martial artist I faced makes me not want to bother finishing this sentence

@pgbuendia3683

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZenDragonKZreadChannel oh no, I don't have respect for the clown that fight with a fan.

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

@@pgbuendia3683 Alright, fine by me 👌

PewDiePie?😂

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

He's Swedish I'm Danish. He also has a few more subscribers. ;D

This is some mcdojo bs

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Styles make fights, same for sparirng. Here I faced a Karateka using a point style approach (hit and don't get hit), the second time I tried it this year, it was against a pressure fighter and it ended up in grappling multiple times kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKGYsqeff6yvdrQ.html

Not kick ass enough

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps you'll enjoy this video more Spam :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKGYsqeff6yvdrQ.html

Your form is all wrong

@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel

5 жыл бұрын

The fan is quite versatile and there's several ways of using it. Probably a difference between how more southern or northern influenced Kung Fu stylists use it. But I'd like to consider your feedback, if it's more specific :)