Corrections/Notes: -I forgot to bring to the Retissue Loop. You can just make an infinite speed unit as soon as the POTD unlocks. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ga2IqpOIj9KdhbQ.htmlsi=Tj0F5AOzeqSRqUlr -Oz's dress was one of the options, but Alluring was the sister item I had in mind there, which I think drops from Ozma on NG+? I forget, it's been a minute, and a lot of those drops were weird. Either way, Proofs in every slot are ideal there. Shields can cover anything you can't get, since most common debuffs have a shield upgrade immunity. -Starion Does exorcise on kill, but it also basically just bleaches all undead from the map. Pretty neat. -Longbow/Crossbow meta runs into brick walls vs any hyper armor unit. -Dragon Resonance... just.... God...😢 -Before someone says to use the Recruit skills to just power rank free Parry Ranks.....😂😂😂😂....They only join with some of their spells and the first 4 skills on their list. Everything else is deleted. The only guy you can harvest for Parry levels.... is Hamilton. Let that level of fucked sink in. Just give it a second. -Oh. You can't use your shortcuts on the PSP version while Roderick is alive. So never use Bodysnatch, because you're doing that mess manually.

Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 2:29 Tactics Ogre Classic 36:00 Tactics Ogre PSP Quirks Monologue 50:34 Descent Into Hell

I only have experience with the PSP's version of Tactics Ogre, and when I came across PotD, I felt genuinely intrigued. How long and samey it is in its design feels like a deliberate attempt to sway the players away from going in. My first run of it happened in CODA 2, so I immediately went and saved Warren. My reruns with my main team used Cressida, Arycelle, Sara, Vartan Canopus, Catiua, a generic archer, valkyrie and cleric, and Olivia as another cleric. After finding the complete loot table for the place in a google sheet, I went through the whole palace five times, getting specific materials for crafting, weapons and cursed items. It genuinely felt like I was going on a treasure hunt, like a Spanish gincana. Because my main team was specifically tailored to have each unit do one specific thing, it was easy for them to be turned into an AI team, which I turned off every now and then in case I glanced over at my game and three of my dudes were about to perish (which is a great segue to give you this tip: you can set everyone to AI, do whatever action with the current character you selected, interrupt the next turn and then put that unit to AI. That way, you won't lose a turn. Another tip: you can check your entire roster of characters in the middle of a fight too! Wait for your turn or interrupt, exit the interrupt menu, press START-or whatever the equivalent of that button is on your device-and scroll down a few options. I bring this up because only your Rudlum had draconics but he wasn't deployed in the current map. That way, you can check it out immediately and make your point at that moment!) This is a game I treasure, I truly love. Only dedicated 350 hours to my main file so far, and I haven't 100%'d it yet. I'm willing to. Up next, challenge runs ~>~... Thank you for this video! It's always great to see one of my favourite games be so passionately rambled about in my feed even when I'm not that tuned in with it right now 😊❤ (Final Fantasy Type-0 is currently taking up my mind...)

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

There's definitely workarounds for the AI stuff, had to figure out a lot of that the PvP series, but the jank is that good, Eldritch horror of mechanics kind of jank 😆

thanks for the book report on the old versions! i've only played reborn, and while i see the charm in these games, i can see why one vision became a passion project and how "good" us new TO fans have it

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm going to cover OV separately, that one would be another two hours of interesting design

@Craigerry

5 ай бұрын

@@CoffeePotato funny because i've watched your other OV videos and i'm sure it'll all be OTHER stuff you haven't mentioned already. in your last OV video, you had a link to the wiki for it, holy shit when you said passion project, you weren't kidding. all these other classes, all these spells and passives...idk what in the world they even mean but there are so many and they ALL were probably adjusted. just THIS game alone has so much history it's almost like it's been a live service game for nearly 30 years

HELL GATE on PS1. I did it twice to get the FIRESEAL.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

I share your pain.

@drwps.

5 ай бұрын

if i aint mistaken, you will get the Fireseal once you finish the Gate at 2nd time right?? good lord! you must be unlocked all the random treasures in Hell Gate! must be finishing it more than 3 times!

@mountainmgtow5421

5 ай бұрын

@@drwps. Yup, I got everything in Hell Gate. Thankfully, I only had to beat it twice. It really is hell, cause it's a boring slog. But I enjoyed reminiscing about it. Those were the days I had lots of time on my hands and could just grind while listening to music. Good days.

@tfdrago

4 ай бұрын

so did I, in a psone, I had 16yo, it was 22y ago hahaha! And to be honest, the trip was way MORE rewarding! I did a potd run in reborn last week, and man... talk about disapointment... only items worthing something were some winged rings, and a cursed hammer! In the classic, you had those secret skills from Roderick, wind weapons, the set that gave 999 in all defenses... those were the times!

@CoffeePotato

4 ай бұрын

@@tfdrago Only things worth getting? You get far more in Reborn...and a solid 80% of the original 's items were basically slight upgrades over shop gear. I'm all for fun discoveries, just not sure how that's the takeaway, personally.

Woo! Go team Spider, Mango, Papaya, and Indurin. I appreciate OB64 keeping the... interesting... random names. For the all-female army run, my casters were Butterfly and Cheetah.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

That sounds like the average Mother Base experience. My favorite unit from Peace Walker was a minimum stat lady soldier named Giraffe. I just wanted to use the worst unit possible when I saw it let me use anyone from the base, and there she was, basically F ranked at everything to a level it's a wonder how they got up in the morning. It did make the game a lot more fun, though.

Just finished watching. Thanks for posting, I've wanted to know more on the differences between the releases - beforehand I could kinda see myself playing the snes/saturn version but overall didn't want to, and had no desire whatsoever to play psp. I like the way Teleport works in original and Knight of Lodis way more than reborn honestly lol. Sure, it was a little cheesy in KoL since you could teleport swordmaster to boss and have them atropos them with a snapdragon to death to insta win, but still, reborn's teleport requiring it to adhere to movement restrictions is just depression

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

I was very tempted to include KoL in this list, but that's going to be a separate KoL/OV video. That wasn't a Reborn change. Teleport had that restriction in PSP, and in SNES, flight/teleport didn't save you from pit drops. It's always one step behind what's remembered 😆

My god that DK being a reference to the TK thing, I always wondered why that requirement was there.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

It's a fun nod, but man collecting all of those crystals was slow.

@TitaniumLegman

5 ай бұрын

@@CoffeePotato I don't think I ever got it unlocked before chapter 4

some rooms can be frustrating for item hunting but overall its one of best endgame content i have ever seen

I remember grinding the psp palace of the dead and how long it took to get sidhe rings or hooker boots. I d petrify the murder birds and then gang up on them. On the bright side archers were God tier units. Reborn is so much better. It's like the difference of animal crossing wild world to new leaf. I have fond memories of let us cling together but I can never go back after reborn.

The POTD I’m exploring right now in chapter 4 after grinding the shrines endlessly for getting the apocrypha level 2 + the unique weapons (in my no retreat, no chariot, no incapacitated/deaths run)…and I like the grinding factor. But you have to come here also endless times if you want at least one maxed out relic of each kind…you need plenty of them. But picking up green cards all the time can boost your power besides the charms you receive! 👍🏻

Damn, this video takes me back to the early 2010s. Sword of the Stars: The Pit was the GOAT, I wonder what Kerberos is up to nowadays

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

Hell yeah it is! They're....uhh....mostly fucking up Pit 2, but the original is still fun.

Does all the Ai stuff still apply to one vision? would love to hear a video on how one vision potd differs in this long form style

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

That's it's own video soonish. While it still applies, Raics got so good at wrangling the beast that is TO PSP that it circles around to being fun again.

Still remember farming that Firecrest in the SNES/PSX version. Hell Gate was aptly named.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

Definitely.

PS1 version was so memorable, that i still remember all special character names... now im 31. and hell, i still remember all character names based on PS1 version. not PSP or reborn. timeless memories!

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

We all always remember our first, as they say 😆

I could only make it through 10 minutes until my Potd ptsd triggered. I don't ever want remember that busywork grind palace again. Best I could resist was to floor 40. In short 10 minutes/10 , I'm can't watch this. Btw it seems video timeline in the description is broken. Intro is written as 0.00, it should be 0:00 for it to work on yt player. I make that mistake all the time on my vids as well.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

Oh shoot, thank you for pointing that out. Also, fair, classic POTD sucked something fierce.

In original, and I mean THE original on sfc, you couldn't even save in POTD. PS1 port at least allowed a temporary save. But. With Draconic magic hitting everyone, and with Haborym "The Gorgon", and with Necroreincarnation, it wasn't that hard. PSP though... Urgh... Nightmare😂

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

Not hard, just...uhh...."contemplative."

I used to use Necro and retissiue to make absolutely OP character that could speedrun the Palace of the Dead, had to watch their loyalty but it did make it easier (On the PS version)

@CoffeePotato

2 ай бұрын

The Retissue loop was wild

As dull as SNES Hell Gate was, it was at least a lot faster. Getting through POTD in other versions is torture. ALSO, fun fact, in SNES, summons don't do friendly fire as long as an enemy is in the target range.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

I could have sworn I'd lost units to friendly fire summons before, but that does sound like something Classic would randomly do 🤔. Would disagree on the speed, though. Kind of want to test this, actually, because personally I think Reborn would be the fastest. Not counting shortcuts, generally you get more power spikes in Reborn, so big sweeps tend to happen pretty quick, while generally slow game speed and waiting for revives could slow down the Classic route. Ah screw it, I'ma test it next week probably.

@Blandation

5 ай бұрын

Let me know what you find! I remember getting Starion and just plowing through SNES. I DID waste a lot of time getting pretty much all of the rare drops in Reborn, though (with cheat engine guaranteeing the drop) and it still felt very slow, especially those large maps with walls.@@CoffeePotato

@tfdrago

4 ай бұрын

@@Blandation I felt the same way! I remember that at least in the ps1 fights were way more faster, presance would wipe away undead, and when you had an item drop, oh boy... in reborn, my potd run felt so.. so useless! I mean, ok, those winged rings are great for afk, but thats it! i'll do san bronsa and the coda 2 potd trip, and lets see what i'll get now!

I love this part of the map until i discovered the loot table lmfao.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

At least the Crescentes and weird rings have a use this time. Friggin PSP Traversal rings were hilarious.

You know, I was originally rather unimpressed with Reborn compared to PSP (I really hate the buff cards) but you're really selling me on giving Reborn another chance

Haha I see you just gave up and let Shelley stay an Angel Knight. It always made me so mad when she turned into one and I had to restart the map.

@CoffeePotato

4 ай бұрын

I mean after a while you start just seeing it in terms of "well, at least I don't need to watch those animations anymore" 😆

After a month or so of playing Reborn, I was talking to someone about PSP version and booted it up to check something out. Even holding in the fast forward button the whole time, it still felt glacial in comparison to Reborn. And holding in the fast forward button made menu selection unreliable, so it was overall an annoying experience.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

It was very much a "You're on the PSP, this is going to be infinite, you're in hell now" kind of mood.

Where is my SNES version? basically we used to just "groom DEX" for the first special *FUDO* attack that you get in Hell gate (that's how it was called before POTD), after that the game was just grindy to the lower parts and you had to basically allocate the best skills for the class which had that stat higher. That's basically what i recall doing it, and basically after that it was just grinding... Megawave was STR + Men so it was kinda hard to allocate, but basically the most important was Fudo...

@CoffeePotato

4 ай бұрын

I had no guides, so for me it was just "cool, I made a character that does the Dragon Spear special with this fire spear!"...and then half of them did no damage.

the best tactical RPG game ever.. even i think better than FFT.

I never use AI on Reborn and I still find it to be a much more fun experience than PSP was. The PS1 POTD looks super boring with those plain shop maps.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

It's either the one room clears or searching one of the gigantic maps for those 5 randos in chapter 2 gear for somehow still half an hour.

one of the things that lack from PSP version is that the leveling skill so fucking hard. it's difficult to raise the skill point so you have to grinding tirelessly. i like magic inherit system in PSP version. we can mastered all magic and use all of them. while in the Reborn version we only have 3 or 4 magic at the same time.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

Skills level dramatically faster than before. I assume You mean stats, in which case please see the video earlier this week on why you don't even need those. You could learn a lot of things in PSP, but don't forget how many asterisks there were to even use a lot of them. Without the dedicated slots for damage, augs, or Spellstrike, they were often incapable of going through defense or hitting at all (See every AI caster in this video). Many were so incredibly niche that you'd never realistically even remember you had the in the case that you'd want to use them (like remembering to use Water to hobble someone).

Imagine getting a 100+ floors dungeon wrong not once, not twice but three times There is no reason for Reborn to not give you the guides each 25 floors instead of after the Nybeth fight. Let's say I go to the palace in ch4 to get the summons and make my life easier with the apocrypha quests and the final story dungeon. Why do I have to do the first quarter of the dungeon again? I already beat it, I've already proven I can do it, there is no reason for me to being forced (key word: forced) to do it again with an even stronger team, it's not a challenge, it's a waste of time. Checkpoints in games exist for a reason. Even Reborn designed the whole place pretty terribly

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

I'm confused. You can save and have shops inside...why leave and start again in this context?

@maverick5169

5 ай бұрын

@@CoffeePotato Let's see I do the first 25 floor to get the summons and maybe some cool relics I use what I've got to have an easier time in ch4, the shrines and CODA1 Then when I redo the dungeon again in CODA2, I am still forced to do the first 25 floors because the guides can only be gotten after the final Nybeth fight. And... Why am I forced to waste times on floors I have already beaten? Why couldn't the guides be crafted as soon as I reach the next section of the palace? It's just a massive waste of time since the first 20 or so floors give you nothing interesting. Like, imagine if in a game like Bloodborne you were forced to do every floor of a chalice everytime you exit to replenish your items or test the gems you've gotten from bosses. Wouldn't that be a massive pain? That's what POTD is Basically POTD lacks Quality of Life even in Reborn. They tried to make it better, it is the best it has ever been, but it's still not very good

PSP version sounds awful from all im hearing of it, clearly not designed well

@CoffeePotato

4 ай бұрын

It was incredibly well designed for what it needed to be at the time. Plus, for it's flaws, it's still a mechanically insane machine. I mostly wanted to tear into it a bit here because of the dramatic winging you see in the Steam reviews, lamenting the loss of mechanics you know they don't remember.

In my opinion, the POTD is where Tactics Ogre Reborn ceases to be fun. This dungeon is not worth it at all, in any iteration of this otherwise great game.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

Did you make it past floor 20? It's basically a never ending free loot pinata of most of the best stuff in the game. 1-20 is generally crafting materials or unusual for Chapter 4 weapons, followed by nearly every crafting book in the game, 30-115 are typically 1-5 relics per floor, with redundant drops for everything this time around. The Neutral Level 50s can be cheesed to clear maps for you, and then poisoned for sometimes 3 or more interesting drops each. One of the first ones has a decent chance to drop a Brimstone, even. It's where you get all of the movement items outside of the Sniper set, and probably a third of the spells. It's definitely still long, but this time around fights are faster, and after that first run, you can run custom sections far smoother than before. You used to be forced to run it twice for access to the shortcuts for technical reasons. You had the books, you just couldn't use them until the cutscene flags were gone.

@stephhanley3167

5 ай бұрын

@@CoffeePotato I went through the entire thing twice. Barely any uncommon or rare drops, next to no relics. I had to get through floor thirty before getting enough relics for Deneb's Wicce unlock. No spell drops, and hardly any Krystallos or recipe books. Both times were just extremely dry runs. This was on my first run, which my Princess route as well. My party was always operating at the max level, so for this run I was at forty. I couldn't even find enough materials to make more than five unique weapons in Deneb's shop, and none of the materials for any of the accessories. So yeah, POTD has me sour. It's not just Reborn either. I almost never got any drops on the PSP version either.

@tacticsogreman

5 ай бұрын

POTD was hella worth it in the original. Not the PS1 port, no, the original on sfc. Why, you ask? Cuz by taking a picture of any unit with Firecrest, and sending it to Quest, you'd get a glass pumpkin😂 First versions even had Warren telling you the address to send the picture to. Too bad it was a time limited thing.

@CoffeePotato

5 ай бұрын

@@stephhanley3167 In all honesty, how did you even pull that off? Even my first Reborn run, throwing near everything off cliffs, I still got like a dozen crafting books and a whole crap load of relics. It's been a deluge of random upgrades since. Typically each map has a ton of technically low chance, but redundant drops. I'll add this to the planned POTD Value thing for next week, then. Might as well see how the drop rates typically look.

@stephhanley3167

5 ай бұрын

@@CoffeePotatoMy experience with the game, playing for over 150 hours in a single playthrough, are incredibly low drop rates. Not just from POTD, but from the entire game. In all of your videos that show off character builds, I haven't even seen most of that gear before. Heck, I still haven't gotten any level 2 arcana, level 4 spells, or any necromancy or draconic magic to drop AT ALL in the entire game; and that's with retreat farming and a walkthrough. I must have upset RNGesus.