What 3 classes do you think are not used often that a generic can be and do you think people should try to use them more?

@MrVariant

Жыл бұрын

gryphon has small maps with hardly any height end game (I miss the ladder strategy lol), but it's good when you get it early. Any difference from cockatrice besides petrify as they both fly? Good point saying some stuff can help at first (Swordmaster yeah chapters 2-3). But long term investments (especially what to make Denam) would be ninja (you can go faster, debuff though 2 weapons won't do different ones sadly, and do decent ranged finishing moves, even if ninjitsu tapers off), soldier (your items heal more and you can transfer sword levels), and beast tamer. I've read in older versions there are preferred weapons that do more damage per class (like whips with beast tamers), but not sure if true.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

@@MrVariant Yeah i herd about the preferred weapons too idk if they are true in this one

@tostonesgg

Жыл бұрын

Rune Fencers are definitely underrated, and I was one of those people during the first week of release thinking "man, these guys are kinda wack." Their instills help them deal very respectable damage with a sword or a spear, their missile spells hit decently too and are great for picking off squishy units, they get access to ease and boon of swiftness, they're just so damn versatile. The only downside is that they unlock some skills like Meditate later than Wizards, but everyone should definitely replace a cleric or two with one of these guys early game.

@ian5395

Жыл бұрын

@@MrVariant pretty sure the petrify bird will pitfall but the other bird will birdman-fly-back but not certain

@MrVariant

Жыл бұрын

@@ian5395 thanks and it's ok. I know it's complicated finding some differences

You’re funny ass hell. You’re like “the birds are getting excited” 😂😂😂😂

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

lol thank you i mention the birds quite alot sometimes

Hoplite, juggernaut, and matriarch are my three underrated generics. They're really good. The humanoids are definitely worth using.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i barely use them myself

Beast tamer is highly underrated even without a few beasts with him dual wielding different status blowguns to dispense debuffs is great coupled with lobber for the clutch long range rez or heal. I think a lot of people tried the first blowgun with no on hit ability and immediately decided the weapon is just a crappy version of the crossbow, you really need the on hit abilities to make it shine, following a big tanky beast around shooting charm darts at everything causes so much disruption and chaos.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

You are 100% right i love beast tamer always use em when i can lobber make em so useful

my sleeper generic has been a Beast Tamer with Fist weapons. You can craft the fists that proc poison. The 3rd Fist finisher is a ranged attack that goes 4 or 5 tiles and can even hit petrified enemies like a truck. Give them a lobber and some Mending Essences, and they heal better than a cleric for most of the game. I auto battled POTD up to like floor 60 something when my union level was only 40 by using beast tamers and griffons/cockatrices on auto battle. The beasts are sooo good

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

oh man i never tried fists on beast master sounds really fun glad u came up with the idea

@andrewtatian7495

Жыл бұрын

beast tamers are not better healers then clerics by a longshot, to clarify the ONLY way a beast tamer is useful with "healing" is ranged heal to full, which again all your units should have that item and it only works if a unit got oneshot or near death, but most bosses specially end or postgame use AOE spells which beastmaster can't do crap vs, TWO clerics with major heal 2 heal 400 a turn without mothers blessing 800 if both proc but more often just two which is 600 aoe heal, and the only way clerics are bad healers are if you don't know what you're doing XD, literally walk up to a boss use an item that lowers damage and all of a sudden clerics outheal the bosses damage keeping everyone healed up and allows for your team to do more damage and less time healing i feel like you have to honestly ignore the fact most endgame bosses have some kind of aoe nuke that one beastmaster is not gonna heal lol, and postgame clerics get major heal 3 which jumps by quite a bit and with two clerics that's over 1k aoe heal every turn which again is far superior then healing one unit for max health considering your average unit has 1k health and tanks get 1.5k without charms only dragons get up to a ridic amount of health.... so by common mathematical sense two clerics > beastmaster for healing lol and if you are running a party size of 12 with one cleric that is not gonna work XD

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewtatian7495 You make some really good points i will say most of the game u dont need a cleric but post game and for sure POTD u need 1 if not 2 or just have cautia

Nice one!

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching hope it was helpful

Preempt from sword master is good, it counter attacks first then you counter attack again from the katana. Basically doing 2 counterattacks is like a reverse double attack of ninja

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yeah its one of the reasons i think people sleep on em its very good

I'm in chapter 2 and just starting to recruit beasts, but my hammer and blowgun Beast Master has been a great support and midline damage dealer.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yes i love to see it hes great support and mid line people under estimate lobber skill too hes so good one of my favorite classes in the game

Yep I usually keep a griffin on one side, and ninja on the other to flank. Depends on the map of course, but I've torn up some tough fights pretty easily.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

yeah for sure griffin is super strong most of the game

Flood Dragons are absolute Tanks and have Breach for their AOE. Terror Knights for absolute Fear and devastation to the enemy front lines. Finally, Debuffing Wizard/Enchantress with Conserve RT to basically inflict pure debuff and enemy devastation. Just played the map with a certain boss that jumps down and shoot his teammate in the head and I used the combo of two Debuff Wizards and Enchantress with my Flood Dragons and Terror Knight and it was GG. The enemy could not hurt me(except for the boss) but the folders were no match. They either were charmed, Poisoned and Stunned, Slowed or Petrified it was just beautiful to watch. P.S. honorable mention goes to Fusiller but the are mostly late/Post game. Good vid though...stop hating on my Clerics😆

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yeah in last video about flood dragon i couldnt get over how tanky they are and just how nasty they can be on the front lines with beast tamer aiding them too. Dont worry soon you will see the video i was wrong about the cleric when i get to fully invest in palace of the dead :)

For me the classes that are underused a bit by players are hoplite, juggernaut and familiar. Hoplites are amazing in the frontline with evade, apostate and specially rapier glance. Juggernaut is great with spear because of their higher mobility and check allow them to counter adjacent melee units(AI loves to tagets units in the melee that won't counterattack.) Familiar is a 3 in 1 class, my favorite are the fairies because of the reset RT Kiss.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

I been messing around with fairy and the reset RT kiss seems to be pretty good can do some cool things with it. I havent used much of juggernaut or hoplite so maybe there will be a new video if those turn out to be better than what people think

@seapeajones

Жыл бұрын

So true. I don't recruit anything outside of dragons. I should look into those.

I rarely use the Gryphon, but I have swapped out my clerics for Rune Fencers, and they seem to work just as well.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

yeah buddy i use 2 rune fencer 2 white knight and medic gryphons for most of my heals no issues here with not having a cleric for heals

@EBikeBuilder_

Жыл бұрын

clerics totally fall off until later on when you get major heal 2, heal IV, resurrect, etc. and also need a lich to feed the cleric MP, cuz they are always out.

There's a few ways some jobs could use some rework but then again some jobs would be so op then. Like beastmaster if it wasn't limited to just 4 item slots but able to lob anything from inventory. Any beast class their move sets should be under arcane and not skills to free up some more utility. Sword masters are ok and I do run like 4 of them sometimes but no meditate does show up early on. I also find terror knights berserker and dragoons way to slow

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

yeah for some reason my terror knight is like always last too go same about with my white knight lol

@mervinkimballjr1251

Жыл бұрын

Weird my white knights seem quick and I try to grab skill card asap for that aoe reduced rt move to help speed everyone up lol

I’m a huge fan of the sword master. Don’t use gryphons much but I do have a few

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yeah some people really hate on sword master cuz they dont have meditate which most op classes do have access to so they can spam finishers and what not but i like sword master alot

I just remember being overwhelmed playing the original: there's generic hires and then the unique characters and I knew well enough to value the unique units, but with no idea of how long to grind and what to unlock and no flair for originality in terms of party composition, i often wish this game came with a guide for true noobs like myself who just have no idea where to start when to fish and cut bait, when to use a unit for unlocking a class and so forth.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

This game is different than original its way more new player friendly. You will just play the game and unlock classes you dont really need to go out of your way till end game post game to get the really hard to find or hidden classes. Plus your party comp will always be different cuz you will scout the enemy and adjust your party to beat them

For Swordmaster even with Hobyrim the debuff dances tend to miss. He also gets melted pretty quickly in the front lines. Beastmaster with a waterdragon is nice though.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

True sword master cant take to many hits ur not wrong and yes flood dragons with beast tamer combo can be pretty effective

@rabbyd542

Жыл бұрын

Hobyrim with a Dragoon absolutely melts tanks. They are extremely deadly together. I use him less now only because I have the Summon spells which pretty much do 800-1000 to everything. Also Harvest Dance in combination with Major Heal 2 can bring your team from the brink.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

@@rabbyd542 oh yeah major heal 2 with harvest dance is a game changer good idea for a combo

Gryphons are freaking insane early and mid game at least. Wish I'd used them from the beginning. They are what archers/wizards/lobbers are trying to be at those stages. I'm pretty sure they're better without tamers as they can run wild and not worry about positioning. The empower stuff is better with dragons and whatever

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

oh yeah u dont really need a tamer for em i usually run them without and yeah they are so strong early mid game they dont fall off late game you just have other options and lots of unique npc you want o use

@rpscorp9457

Жыл бұрын

You can run Tamer griffons with a winged human..pick one up early or change canopus class. Devastating back line destroying team

@nameputhpong9041

Жыл бұрын

It baffles me how good griffins are. Barely invested anything into mine, threw him into the fray while my other dudes are busy picking up blue buffs the first two turns, griffin gets mauled on, then flies back for a bit of healing, i’m like ‘oh shit ma boi, r u ok?’, but he’s completely fine like a dog with a stick playing fetch going ‘do it again, do it again, oh boi oh boi’.

Beast master love. I run 2 beast masters with 2 dragons, 2 griffons and one other beast depending on scenario.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

gotta love the lobber skill

Wait what... You can equip rings on Beasts/Dragons XD Also did not realize that Beast Tamers could throw items NOT their current weapon... Yikes... In my defense I haven't played for half a century (feels like). I am curious to know if Clerics are even needed, they seem to grab sooo much aggro and die fast. I grinded for longer than I want to admit in that dam forest to get like 200+ full hp pots... My only complaint... If people want to steam roll for levels, they should have had the option.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

glad u learned some stuff its easy to miss thats why i make these video to help out others :).. In my personal opinion clerics are not needed till end game when your doing palace of the dead items are so strong in this game and u go items that heal 75% and 100% health. I stopped using cleric i have many other classes that can cast heal for the same amount

Fully agree with these picks. Beastmaster: Buffs my Griffin. Slows enemies with weapon art. Throws Dynast King wine at tanks and bosses. Obliterates everything with one phys card (whips are underrated). Extremely strong counter attack. Throws full heals at anyone in extreme danger Griffin: Powered by Beastmaster. MP charge from my Lich. Using Stun Breath almost every turn. Eats magic damage then uses full heals at 200HP. CAN'T BE KNOCKED OFF CLIFFS!!!! Swordmaster: Uses Lion Dance on my Dragoon. Catiua (Major Heal II) and Harvest Dance together will save your team big time. When paired with Dragoon can melt Beasts and Dragons. My favorite class is still Valkyrie/Rune Knights. Summon spells are broken and they trigger Conserve MP and Meditate constantly. The lightning weapon art on spears with a Lightning affinity is insane. Ease II, Heal III...they can do it all.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah i got a whole video planned on gushing over the rune fencer /Valkyrie and how they are the best class in the game lol. Yes your points also highlight how great this classes combo with others

@rabbyd542

Жыл бұрын

@@faizedfoxgaming7426 Looking forward to that.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

@@rabbyd542 yeah im sure lots of discussion will be had which is why i make these videos too i love to hear others opinions

Lobber is fantastic but do note you said you can lob res stones, which is not true. They have a ranged effect for everyone using them. I would love being able to lob them personally |-)

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

oh yeah true they do i just was so used to lobbing but is the range longer with lobber?

@whiteiswong

Жыл бұрын

@@faizedfoxgaming7426 when using lobber, you'll notice that the res stones aren't even there, only at the normal item use. Such a tease...

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

@@whiteiswong how dare they lol

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@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

interesting how does this help its a short video why would u need time stamps when you will see it all by just watching i could understand if the video was way longer

@noface_777

Жыл бұрын

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I wonder how far you could get with a Beast Tamer Denam in a squad filled with undead Gryphons.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

that would be very interesting idea would take some time to set it up

Griffin bros for the win

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yeah 2 of them are so good

Very situational, I really like Octopi on water maps, I usually take two. Poison Rain is fantastic, huge area effect and chance to poison. Just hope you can grab an MP buff card with them.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

i wish water maps were more common cuz i would love to use octopi more

@stormtrooperjon9212

Жыл бұрын

I think they even learn some auto-skill that makes them seem like they're in water on land maps, then they'll be bee-lining for the auto-skill cards which appear EVERYWHERE :)

@rpghero46

Жыл бұрын

octopi i took one to the end game. sponge sponge

Swormaster have a big flaw an it is mana they have low max mp. Don't have acces to meditate so you can't use war dances often. He have some nice move but not really reliable and very situational. For me it's a pass

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

What you say is true and if you use him brining the mp leaves might be needed to counter that flaw

@rabbyd542

Жыл бұрын

If they start every battle with using Fruit of the Adept they will pick up steam quickly. Also, utilize MP charge with casters. He will be using crit attack skill every turn.

@christophelopes7681

Жыл бұрын

@@rabbyd542 fruit of the adept is not enough because of the low mp cost and if you spam crit skill when do you cast war dance?

@rabbyd542

Жыл бұрын

@@christophelopes7681 Use Lion Dance early (one fruit is enough to cast it on second turn). Then use MP Charge on a Mage to power him up. A Lich is perfect for it because they can use the Necromancy spell Life Force which basically does like 250-300 damage and converts it to MP (Paradigm Shift is another incredible spell to pair it with); I'll actually hit my own Griffin with that spell just to charge up her MP early. It's all about synergy in this game, imo. Swordmaster needs support from certain units like mages and Dragoon and in return Swordmaster will supports them with buff to attack and healing of chip damage. Debuffs are worthless on him because they miss too much and his MP is trash. In spite of this, you can prioritize giving certain units certain cards. Like, if you gave him every Mind or MP card since mid game it's a totally different story than using a brand new hire. I always gave Mind Cards to my Terror Knight and he's actually a decent debuffer now and when he has nothing better to do I send out Paralytic Wave.

For gryphon, I usually drop dash for 2 attack skills, the hp drain one and the huge AoE wind one, and that's because I usually want him near the beast tamer anyway just to consistently re-up on the empower beast buff. Swordmaster's main usefulness besides it's war dance support is it's 2nd finisher which can turn enemies to stone. Also, one time, my swordmaster knocked an enemy off of a cliff and finished them off with preempt.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

True keeping gryphon by beast master is a good idea. I agree with the 2nd finisher petrify is super nice to have

@destroyermaker

Жыл бұрын

Gryphons' greatest strength is the ability to dive the backline and wreak utter havoc. Keeping them restrained for a buff they don't need is a mistake I think

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

@@destroyermaker yeah my beast master will buff them first or 2nd turn than thats it they are let loose to the enemy back line

what about the cockatrice ?

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Cockatrice is really good like a gryphon

also swordmaster is outright god awful, if you're in main game it works because any class works when game doesn't have enemies with armor, but late game when enemies have average of 2k hp postgame and he barely does damage lmfao and he's squishy af he gets oneshot by heavenly generals too and his class has no range can't oneshot and even maingame i'd rather just use a warlock that does aoe 200-300 damage 4 of those team wipe...... hobyrim is weak af and ANY class can perform better, unironically make a warrior from level 1, mighty impact double strike he can oneshot enemies XD

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

oh for sure im sure alot of classes fall off late or post game POTD and what not but all classes can get u through main story with little to no issues. Plus with only a 12 person party u cant use every class anyway u gotta make cuts so i get what your saying for sure

6:50 blood siphon sucks. 50 mp for a 2 range attack that heals for maybe 200 at the most. Run stun breath and wind shot.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

thats crazy i had mine heal for 400 before usually around 300 way more than a cleric heals lol

@MrKULVIS

Жыл бұрын

@@faizedfoxgaming7426 To be honest, I only tested it in like 4 battles. I quickly determined that the heal is just bad for such a high hp unit. The versatility of wind shot for big aoe and stun breath was much more appealing.

AoE heals go brrrrrrrt - Cleric Supremacy Gang

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

I want my cleric to do more than heal i say lets get clerics doing some aoe damage :O

I do not understand the swordmaster hate ... Swordmasters are a Lot more durable than berzerkers , deal higher single target damage and have group utilty with Zero friendly fire risks. . Ppl understimate their dances .. tip : You avoid the debuff dance and use only the buff ones, the thing is that fortify and lions dance serve as dispela or weaken and somewhat BREACH! . Oh . And their second finisher frigging petrifies almost 100%! Swordmasters are very useful (at least better than berserkers) . I tend to avoid falling blade in favor of full auto skills , the moto of swordmasters is to hit and retreat and falling blade adda too much RT (falling blade + the actual melee swing) . Yes they could use a buff in their weapon selection , maybe add 1swords and greatswords , but so far My swordmasters slap enemy frontliners hard.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

main reason i see people dislike sword master is they dont have meditate which most really strong classes have and can spam finishers and what not

no lol not the swordsmaster, who can't even use the swords (2 hand katanas only). Da Ninja has finishing move range, speed and debuffs. This thing tapers off fast, but at least you can't accidentally heal enemies unlike ff5 mystic knight (who sucks, can't use katanas for spellblade, and burns a turn to charge swords though endgame flare/break are good). 3:05 thanks for explaining the your mileage may vary, especially 3:32 preempt usually won't have knockback unless you have some combo, and Phalanx helps more to no-sell attacks when they barrage you (let alone plot swords lol). 3:58 will you get enough MP for falling blade and finishing moves (dragoon has this problem with dragonsbane)? Beast tamer is great and why I can't stand fusilier (if you got a gun earlier it'd be great, even FFT Mustadio/chemists got better chapter 2 though they kinda get phased out). 1:40 4 200 +damage bombs lol that's useful enough, unless you want the end boss to be even easier (save your healing for dragons to trap, reflect and tank).

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was a tough call between sword master and ninja who to put in lol. Yeah idk why fusilier and guns are so much later to get them

unique npcs are not super strong infact generics are actually better my generics had better stats then most of my uniques vyce? why use vyce when i can raise a level 1 generic into berserker or w/e class i want lol, if you're doing postgame you'll realize generics are generally just as good actually better then most uniques because of stat growths give them a late game class lich etc raise them from level 1 really high stats, my generic lich oneshots 4k hp dragons or leaves them at 100 health lol

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

most unique npc just have better raw stats they scale better and get more stats per level up than generics i agree most are not ozma level super strong tho

@andrewtatian7495

Жыл бұрын

@@faizedfoxgaming7426 thing is they dont have super strong starting stats and they do not get more stats per level its based on class

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewtatian7495 thats crazy cuz people gush over them quite a few actually and claim their class is better than generic counter part so idk im just going off what people tell me about the growths

@andrewtatian7495

Жыл бұрын

@@faizedfoxgaming7426 i've tested it myself and yea in this version generics are super viable lol, for reference you can level a generic from level 1 to 50 with a endgame class and be better or equal to a unique, for example i have a generic that's better then everyone the most important thing isn't character it's equipment builds and elements o.o

Npc means non playable character

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yeah its denman's story they are just allies with him you play as denam :) I'm not playing their stories therefore they are NPC i hope you understand

whips are terrible because they are 2handed.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i tired them a bit with beast master some have good unique on hit debuffs and stuff but i really like the blowgun finishers

@rpscorp9457

Жыл бұрын

@@faizedfoxgaming7426 same yep..recharges fast and hits for reasonable damage. I dont recall anyone ever using two hands for a whip!! Thats a dumb design decision imo

the beast tamer is a must use class i dont ull be able to beat the game without it

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

I mean if u want to recruit beasts or dragons it for sure is a must use class

@achritushunter6950

Жыл бұрын

@@faizedfoxgaming7426 right and if u want to upgrade weapons and have orbs

I would sub to your channel, but I can't morally support furries.

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

IDK what makes you think im a furry but your comment and like or dislike helps the video alot maybe even more than a sub thanks for your support :)

Beast Tamer is good in a game with great options

@faizedfoxgaming7426

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i love all the options the class has its great