As a german I’m imagining what it would be like if german schools stop teaching about the third reich and the holocaust because it could make the german students feel bad about their grandparents or their country. Unfortunately that there are people and politicians who would applauding that. That’s what came to my mind when I heard about these actions against comprehensive education.

@jaaksavat7916

Жыл бұрын

The far-right wants ignorance and hate to rule

@cheshirecat6518

Жыл бұрын

Imagine living in a country who PROTECT NAZIS right to publicly exist and flaunt and spread their evil! They are the antithesis of all we stand for, they've never been removed from our enemies list, yet they get to enjoy the very freedoms they tried and STILL try to annihilate!🤯

@superclaymaster

Жыл бұрын

Regressives are everywhere now

@thomasdequincey5811

Жыл бұрын

There's a difference between children "feeling bad" of their own volition, and intentionally using a subject to make white children "feel bad" and place them in a victim/oppressor paradigm where all shades of grey have been eliminated.

@cheshirecat6518

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdequincey5811 nobody is doing that. They know THEY didn't commit any wrongs, and they can handle the truth. Also, they are advanced young adults, if they can't handle the facts, they need to.

DL Hughley said it best “ the only reason people like Desantis want to block history is because they plan to repeat it “

@tuneteenth

Жыл бұрын

A bar.

@de22bock

Жыл бұрын

According to US News, Florida k-12 schools rank 16th in the Country while California's rank 40th..Big difference!

@donald1576

Жыл бұрын

100%

@donald1576

Жыл бұрын

​@@de22bock and yet it's being overtaken by white supremacist fascist Republican party garbage.

@coachking5208

Жыл бұрын

How is the weather over in Hollywood boulevard.

My greatest teacher and I had many, I hated at first. The stuff he threw at us was so at variance with my ideas, my culture, and my prejudice, I loathed this self-opinionated man who made me so uncomfortable. Then after six months of this jerk, I realised why I was uncomfortable, and that was because I should never be comfortable...Ever! After six months my eyes were open into myself and they have never been closed since. I love that professor, we became friends, and he made me a better person and a better doctor. Teachers are the best people and at seventy years of age, I continue to learn.

@rasheedjamal9091

Жыл бұрын

🎯💯👍I hope you pay it forward. We need people like you and my parents to make us see things from all perspectives while still staying grounded in truth.

@bryanjones5886

Жыл бұрын

Great Comment extremely motivational, you could sell your struggle to the people who need some positivity,I learned a lot✔️💯🆗

@yellolab09

Жыл бұрын

I learned much from my Black grandfather, born in 1894 to sharecropping parents in Virginia (and went on to take classes at Harvardand become an educator .) By the 1940's, he had been anointed the go-to scholar in the self contained, all-Black neighborhood of Roxbury Massachusetts, and remained so until he died at age 101. His students went on to live great, consequential lives. He was a playful authority figure. I got used to being challenged in the most surprising ways. He would model and say things like this: "We love our comfort zones, but nothing can grow there." "Uncertainty's shadow is a looming gift Therefore, have the courage to be curious."

@trobert400

Жыл бұрын

David that was so well said. Thank you

@1truek269

Жыл бұрын

❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️

Black history is all around us. This includes movies, books, and songs. My personal belief is that people who are anti-black are actually afraid of the black people as a whole. As for me, the American Indian's culture should also be taught!

@caribman10

Жыл бұрын

NIce, Cornelia, except there was no "America" when The First People came here. The Canadians named them correctly: we slur them. They are and were The First People.

I've written it elsewhere but I think it deserves to be repeated: A societys degree of insecurity can be discerned by the degree of censureship imposed on its educational institutions. The US must be an exceptionally insecure society.

@kpokpojiji

Жыл бұрын

Yup. A large percentage of Americans cannot adapt to an ever changing, more diverse world, and live in terror of becoming irrelevant.

@blacknosugarnocream

Жыл бұрын

It is. It certainly is.

@peggyivey5828

Жыл бұрын

@@kpokpojiji No that is not what the reason is. Those independent classes are better suited for college. And besides that, you can learn about black history on the internet. Or read books.

@Derguz

Жыл бұрын

@@peggyivey5828 Or you could go to school? - you know, the place of learning and education?? Ring a bell.. Funny thing - schools have those as well..

@wethepplwhorblackerthanblu6442

Жыл бұрын

@Derguz If he does not know what school is about Then I'm very sure he is gonna be very confused about homeschooling

I can admit that most of the history I have read about my country angers me, but it also inspires me to do better.

@Social_Pugatory

Жыл бұрын

As it should not anger to the point of banning what made you angry. It’s censorship of ideas you disagree with. Somehow learning more perspectives is indoctrination but limiting perspectives and discourse is not indoctrinating? 😂 Its pure projection on conservatives part.

@stewartbibb

Жыл бұрын

That's the point. History is there to learn from so we can move forward!

@peggyivey5828

Жыл бұрын

All countries have some dark history.

@daftwod

Жыл бұрын

A lot of black history is either fake or embellished and simplified. We see in the current day, history is being recorded incorrectly. His hands were not up. She wasnt sleeping. He wasnt jogging.

@alexanderisrael881

Жыл бұрын

And the sad thing is it's quite probable that most of what you read or whitewash lies...

This is such a beautiful perspective - yes, I said beautiful, because Ta-Nehisi Coates sees the dichotomy of race in America like James Baldwin did, and Coates has that direct to-the-point explanation that knocks people back into their seats.

@deloreswillis9224

Жыл бұрын

Yess agree

@ThomasSmith-rj4zt

Жыл бұрын

He's a dumb man's smart man. But to be fair, if you watch MSM (MSNBC, CNN, FOX) you aren't exactly a genius anyway😂. Fox is for the elderly and bored, the other two are for... To put it lightly, the intellectually disadvantaged, who tend to be childless. Did I guess right?

@WapajeaWalksOnWater

Жыл бұрын

Ta- Nahisi thinks the way he does, because his father own Black Classic Press. We have to educate our own children, if we ever want to break the chains of mental slavery

FEAR seems to be fuelling the American society at this moment in time. Very interesting and thought inducing interview. Thank you, gentlemen.

@rasheedjamal9091

Жыл бұрын

Each racial group has it's fears, white people's fears are fears they conjure up because those Boogymen don't exist.

@joel2421

Жыл бұрын

Fear always has though and especially around race.

@hagnuj1070

Жыл бұрын

Christopher Rufo and the Manhattan Institutes' plans have worked well through Trump and DeSantis. The phony CRT outrage and banning of free speech has been entrenched. The crazies are encouraged to 'run over' protestors with impunity, run for local school boards, city councilmen, mayors etc.

@williamcarter9066

Жыл бұрын

Pat Richards FEAR !! Has always fueled America an if that were not the case we'd se Native Americans in public all the time and the Karen's wouldn't be a thing just to name a few things !!

@dramese

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s fear, I think they know exactly what they are doing. They know when people empathise with black people, they will hate the way they are treated. Who are mistreating them and who are the unablers. And we all know the answer to those questions.

I'm a high school history teacher in KY and stuff like this makes me physically ill. My stomach literally begins to get upset when I hear stories like this or see them. Its whole-cloth absolutely ridiculous. I teach history as it happened. Not history that I wished had happened. As a result I've been to several school board and PTA meetings where parents threw their media talking points at me. I'm still able to teach my curriculum because each and every time I've been able to explain and make everyone understand why history cannot be rummaged through to find only the good parts. For example, I teach my Jr's and Sr's about the coup d'etat that occurred in 1898 in NC. When asked why it was necessary to teach that, I explained because it was the inciting incident of the implementation of Jim Crow Laws. I also teach them about the Tulsa Race Massacre as well. I've been accused of making several students feel bad. Been told, by their parents that they come and ask if they're racist and if their family is racist. Each and every time I respond the same way. "I assure you that I'm not teaching your children that they are racist. What I want to ask you though, is why do they have that response to objective history? I don't only teach about the evils of the white people from the past. I also teach about the benevolence of the white people from the past. I teach about the ones who risked everything they held dear; their livelihoods, their reputations, their friends and families, and even their lives, in order to aid things like the Underground Railroad or in order to march side by side with MLK. I also teach about the black people from the past who fought for the status quo of the time and didn't want things to change. So why do your children identify with those racist and evil ancestors instead of those benevolent and just ancestors? Perhaps it's something that they're learning out of school?" ✌🏾✌🏾👍🏾👍🏾

@BC25citizen

Жыл бұрын

Wonderful statement of principle! It reminds me of one of Beau’s videos about the same topic… I need to revisit that.

@abedofevilandlettuce

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!

@calm1047

Жыл бұрын

You live in Kentucky! The teachers will be banned from telling accurate information. I'm afraid for my kids who are African American.

@SSJ2Phenom

Жыл бұрын

@@calm1047 I'm half black myself and I promise you that if people like you and I and our other colleagues fight, not for ourselves or an agenda, but for accurate teaching based on objective factual history. Turn their ignorant arguments on their head then we can prevail. I promise you that I'll never give up.

@bwalker4375

Жыл бұрын

You are needed. Thank you for what you are doing in the classroom.

Ta-Nehisi is such a brilliant dude. Always a pleasure to listen to and read!!

@MrMalcolm900

Жыл бұрын

The audience he actually needs to be trying to reach is Fox News because this idea the country can progress without people on the other side of the political spectrum is a total fantasy. Coming on MSNBC does nothing for him, why? because he's only speaking to people who already agree's with him. If he wants his argument to stand out he's gotta go into uncomfortable spaces.

@deloreswillis9224

Жыл бұрын

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@whitewhale9012

Жыл бұрын

Hes a racial supremacist, but okay.

@marwar819

Жыл бұрын

Coates is an extremely leftist propagandist.

@haitiboy87

Жыл бұрын

anything he write is gold

How refreshing to listen to two intelligent, educated, caring people discuss complex issues. This is my dream of America.

@rasheedjamal9091

Жыл бұрын

This sound hurts right wing ears like that monster from Beowulf.

@Jimmy1982Playlists

Жыл бұрын

@@rasheedjamal9091 🎯🎯🎯💯🙏🏼

@paulkern7229

Жыл бұрын

@Scott Simmons - what does your post even mean?

@helloxonsfan

Жыл бұрын

*Yes! It's a lesson that DeSINtis is too foolish to learn. Florida is shooting itself in the proverbial foot...!!! More & more quality students, educators, scholars, will simply flee the state, or not chose to go there in the first place. Then as it begins to lose accreditation, credibility, accountability, its already questionable academic ratings will take a nose dive to the bottom...!!! (SMH!!!)*

@marwar819

Жыл бұрын

I'm not refreshed by this conversation. I'm deeply concerned about how easily people are taken in by liberal propaganda.

Thanks Chris for pulling him out of his lair and talking to you about things that matter, Ta-Nehisi Coates has much to say that is worth hearing.

@janblount

Жыл бұрын

This framing presupposes that the interview wasn’t Coates’ idea. I mean, “pulling him out of his lair”? Anyway, you’re right that he has a wealth of valuable things to say.

@stephenbright1982

Жыл бұрын

@@janblount yeah, that phrase caused me to pause. It's not like the author is 1) hiding, or 2) shy. He's an intellect-open to discussion and debate as needed.

Love to listen to Hayes and Coates having an intelligent discussion… world is hungry for this.

@Invading-Specious

Жыл бұрын

The world is not the U.S.

@jlocey87

Жыл бұрын

Yes the "WORLD is hungry" for this ... The world knows USA is a mess . Only the uneducated or ignorant ones will deny it.

@thomasdequincey5811

Жыл бұрын

Really? This interview was full of half-truths, inaccuracies and down right...exaggerations.

@nateh3441

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdequincey5811 Please elaborate.

@sgpoet47

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdequincey5811 give me one example

Because of this pathetic attempt to "cancel" him, I just bought every Ta-Nehisi Coates book I could. It is patriotic to read banned books!

I LOVE hearing them talking together it’s always excellent

@bo2.4u6

Жыл бұрын

Because they're telling the "TRUTH"❤️

@pricklypear3483

Жыл бұрын

Or, it’s because when these gentlemen speak you can feel your brain being energized by wrapping itself around the intelligence coming from their strong solid character.

@marwar819

Жыл бұрын

Even if it is propaganda pushing?

I enjoyed listening to this exchange between two well-read men. Ta-Nehisi Coates, the author of the seminal "Between the World and Me," a book about growing up black that the New York Times called "essential, like water or oil," and The New Yorker described as "extraordinary," comes across as a genuinely humble man. I noticed that Coates thanked host Chris Hayes twice for an introduction that described him as a best-selling writer and a National Book Award winner.

@op3129

Жыл бұрын

Hayes' book "Colony in a Nation" is WELL worth your time. it's not often someone can completely re-frame history. (how many times have you interacted with police in last 20 years?) IF you do read Hayes' book, remember this: Michael Che (from SNL) grew up in the projects. he said in an interview (on Seth Meyers iirc) that he literally can't imagine calling 911. that there was no scenario he could think of that cops would make his situation or emergency _"better"._ (he emphasized that included "now" ... like 2021 - not just when he still lived in the projects.) trevor noah has said how he often gets pulled over. his point: how his (white) passenger was like "WTAF?!?" when noah pre-emptively rolled down the window to throw his arms/hands outside to show cops who hadn't even yet approached his ($70k) tesla.

@kusheran

Жыл бұрын

Chris Hayes' book Colony in a Nation is so clear about America's foundational racism.

@CSmith-tn8nv

Жыл бұрын

I really liked their conversation too. You can tell they respect each other. Found myself wishing the segment was longer. Coates is essentially saying it’s always darkest before the dawn and I totally agree. Things are changing at a foundational level and there are cracks in the edifices. The historical, mass denial of racism in America has always wrecked havoc on the minds and bodies of its black citizens. So, the crazier things get, the calmer I become. All that internalized discord (fury, frustration, cry for fairness) resulting from dealing with American society has become external. I’m watching it all play out before my eyes - the clash is epic. Even if I don’t see a satisfactory resolution on this side of the grave, I don’t carry it inside me anymore. They’ll put DeSantis in the White House to try and hold off change but the very act of doing so admits they see their own defeat. P.S. - I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our institutions are failing right when America’s racial reckoning is heating up. It’s just an indicator of how foundational racism is to this country (i.e. - if black people have equal standing, then the rules/systems have no meaning or significance - because the whole point of the rules/systems was to benefit white people.)

@pechaa

Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed it, and I respect Chris Hayes, but I wish he would have listened more. I really enjoy listening to Ta-Nehesi Coates. He has so much *substance*.

@darkiepoo8949

Жыл бұрын

i, too, like to point out exactly what is in the video for the people who didnt watch any of it

This is why I watch Chris Hayes. Such an intelligent and nuanced discussion. We need more of this!

@RebelGorilla7384

Жыл бұрын

lulz "intelligent and nuanced discussion" doesn't happen in corporate media.

@usmcpound

9 ай бұрын

Intelligence and Hayes don't belong in the same sentence if you're looking for an enlightening discussion...

Aren't they just great together! Minds thinking, listening, talking! Thank you.

Fantastic segment. This is the kind of intellectual discourse the Republican party is desperate to squash.

@freeindeed8416

Жыл бұрын

They didn’t say much of anything

@peggyivey5828

Жыл бұрын

Almost every time Biden gets up to make a speech, he calls Republicans racist, he and the democrats use that often to scare the lower class minorities into voting for them, or to keep them on the democrats plantation. Democrats are the very people who contrived the system to keep the black poor and on well fair system. Biden is actually the person who helped write the laws that put blacks in prison for petty crimes for a long time. Thus, the cycle of crime for many young black began. Biden said in a hearing in the nineties" they can not be socialized, so they have to be locked away." Hillary was in on that, too! Hillary said, "Young black men are super preditors, and he must be stopped." That is not taught in history classes. Now they want to blame someone else for their debacle. Before welfare fathers of the black children were in the home. Along with welfare and prison terms, fathers were taken out of the home, and the black family unit was destroyed. That is history democrats don't want taught.

Ta-Nehasi Coates is always a pleasure to listen to

Immense gratitude for MSNBC and Chris Hayes for conversations on air with brilliant thoughtful people like Ta-Nehisi Coates

You can always count on Ta-Nehisi Coates and Chris Hayes to have an intelligent conversation...

@debdeb62065

Жыл бұрын

@Sara Mill troll

@tommartinez62

Жыл бұрын

🤣😂🤣😂

@harold9394

Жыл бұрын

@@tommartinez62 so basically you got nothing.

@FGP_Pro

Жыл бұрын

@Sara Mill You are great at irony.

@kyoung277

Жыл бұрын

Intelligent and enjoyable and with topics as serious as these it's fantastic that it is so engaging!

Thanks Chris for another great interview I enjoyed it

Thanks to both of you, I hope you continue the conversation and the sharing.

thanks for this. Prof. Coats always goes deep and very understandable. Have him on MORE!

@theragoooverlord5021

Жыл бұрын

A professor of what exactly ? Race grifting,??

A Masterclass in interviewing. Thank you Chris Hayes and Ta-Nehisi Coates!

This was a fantastic interview. I was unfamiliar with this author/journalist. Thank you for bringing him to my attention. I look forward to reading his work.

@pameeds1

Жыл бұрын

The Water Dancer- a novel and Between the World and Me (amazing!!!)

@bernardwylie9760

Жыл бұрын

If you are affiliated with the educational system in Florida at all, you won’t be able to.

@ireneada1930

Жыл бұрын

If you must, please start with The Water Dancer by Coates. Go for the audio book narrated by Joe Morton👌🏿👌🏿

This was an excellent interview and a very interesting conversation, thought provoking.

I love Mr. Coates. I saw him live at a university Q&A talk. He is brilliant and a wonderful journalist who loves journalism.

@deloreswillis9224

Жыл бұрын

Yesss I do2 can hear him all the time ❤

@rubyhoward2085

Жыл бұрын

There are many more like him in all genres of literature. They are only now being appreciated, published and celebrated. Now we must bring them into our schools to our children.

@WapajeaWalksOnWater

Жыл бұрын

@@rubyhoward2085 Which means, we need to separate to really educate our children properly. If Anglos are going to continue to hide from their past, so they can sleep undisturbed from their heinous crimes against humanity, we have to separate our children from their mental illness.

I'm so thankful I was able to teach my anthropology course - "The Cultural Politics of Hamilton: Legacies of Freedom & Bondage." A college level course. We explored many films, works of art, literary pieces, academic articles, etc. about the experiences of POC in the U.S. since the time Columbus set foot in the Caribbean. It wasn't a happy or easy course for my students - of European, African, Asian, North, Central, South American ancestries. But, let me tell you, it was an IMPACTFUL course. We debated, argued, cried, laughed, mourned, empathized and sympathized together in our humanity. This is education. One of the most transformative experiences in my life as an educator and life-long learner. My students taught me as much or more than I taught them.

@warlockpaladin2261

Жыл бұрын

"...in the U.S. since the time Columbus set foot... 🤨

Great show, Chris. Thank you!

When someone spouts the phrase "America is the best country in the world", always be sure to ask "by what measure?"

@TheJaycam1027

Жыл бұрын

By every measure

@rextrek

Жыл бұрын

MeriKKKa is the SCHITHOLE COUNTRY you've heard sooo much about, with SPECIAL THANKS to republicans for the EXTRA SCHITHOLINESS ! MeriKKKa where we ALLOW 60,000+ Americans to DIE Every Year for LACK of healthcare and Medications they CANT Afford and No one cares..... ...MeriKKKa where we have over 40+MILLION with NO HEALTHCARE at all and No One cares.......... MeriKKKa where we have MILLIONS of HOMELESS Nationwide and No One cares... MeriKKKa, where ALL Repubs and the Corporate Dems ( NOT Progressives ) passed an $800+BILLION One YR Military Budget... yet we Average citizens getting Begged calls from VET GRPS ask for DONATIONS to HELP with VET CARE??? ...........WTF is ALL that Gdammed MOney going??? NO ONE Ever asks....Riiiight MSM???!!!!! .....and Again to Top it off , No Money for Child Day Care for working Mothers, No Dental, Eyecare, or Hearing aids for Seniors..... Merikkkka IS the Certified SCHITHOLE .. .with thanks also, to about 40% of Our Nation of Garbage People, Uninformed Morons , Racist, haters, Bigots....who constantly Vote against their own interests.... so glad I dont have kids and more years behind than ahead

@kpokpojiji

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJaycam1027 you might want to research that. America certainly excels at propaganda about itself.

@TheJaycam1027

Жыл бұрын

@@kpokpojiji Research what, its purely subjective. Loving your country isn't a bad thing.

@kpokpojiji

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJaycam1027 No, but being disingenuous, dishonest or blind about the realities of it is.

This is such a good and very important discussion. I listened to it twice, it’s very rich in content.

One small correction ... in his books, Coates gives credit to James Baldwin for the phrase, "people who believe they are white." I highly recommend "Between the World and Me." If you haven't already, buy it, read it, give it to a loved one.

@donaldcarter2011

Жыл бұрын

Why do you say he erred in attributing the quote to Baldwin?

@rcreative1

Жыл бұрын

@@donaldcarter2011 I guess my writing was sloppy. He did attribute it to Baldwin. Have you ever seen the debate between Baldwin and William F. Buckley? I still think of Buckley as a smart conservative thinker, but Baldwin rips him apart. Frequently, Baldwin spoke in artistic circles and just when you are wondering where he is going, he clamps down like an alligator.

@donaldcarter2011

Жыл бұрын

@@rcreative1 Indeed. I've seen it on YT.

Ta-Nehisi is the only guy I know that can make you optimistic with pessimism. He rips the bandaid off, but it's a growing pain because what we need is surgery.

TRUE AND DEEP. WHAT A GREAT CONVERSATION

2023...and we are still pretending it ain't what it is. Give thanks for this dialogue.

@wethepplwhorblackerthanblu6442

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately this is gonna be our national narrative At 60 years old I was born when John F. Kennedy got shot So I can tell you such and so

@peggyivey5828

Жыл бұрын

I don't think I know anyone that does not know about slavery. As a matter of fact it stoll exist in modern times. No one seems to talk about that, or care.

@wethepplwhorblackerthanblu6442

Жыл бұрын

@peggyivey5828 Yea.. A lot of American exploitation

@RadicalforGod

Жыл бұрын

@@peggyivey5828 I don’t think you understand history and how America was established. No one talks about slavery? It’s not that people aren’t talking about slavery; they’re talking about reparations at this point. And read your 13th amendment; slavery still exists. And stop pretending to not see slavery systems all around you. You’re being disingenuous.

@RadicalforGod

Жыл бұрын

@@peggyivey5828 what do you know about slavery?

History will treat Ron DeSantis the way it treats Bull Connor & George Wallace. I have no kind words for him.

@peggyivey5828

Жыл бұрын

Well why just teach black American history in a special class, why not a Native American history class, or Japanese American class. Can you under stand now. College is where you take these courses. Or why not Mexican American history. It not about racism. I bet you have not listened to one thing DeSantis has said. So you just believe what ever.

Mr. Coates and Chris Hayes are American treasures! Thank you!

As a college professor (now retired), I'm baffled by the fact that so any people seem to think that teachers indoctrinate their students. I was always clear with my students that although I certainly wanted them to understand the subject matter, more than anything else, I wanted them to learn to think and evaluate material critically, so that they could become informed, involved citizens. What I think about a particular idea isn't relevant. Whether that idea holds up to rigorous scrutiny is. I don't care what they believe nearly as much as whether they understand why they believe it well enough to explain and defend it. Our job is to prepare students- for jobs, but also for their many roles in a diverse world with diverse beliefs. Ignoring history and insulating students from discomfort inhibits growth and learning, leaving them unprepared for their own future.

@lizccraig

Жыл бұрын

Excellent !! Own their own future.

@marohan

Жыл бұрын

When 90% of the faculty is left leaning n your peers inject that into the class, you have to understand the fears of people expressing a different viewpt then yours. I know family members that don't even speak on political issues.

@bjdefilippo447

Жыл бұрын

@@marohan You must have taught at different universities than I, because I've yet to teach at one that was much more than half liberal. Did interview at one, but didn't accept the job.

@wethepplwhorblackerthanblu6442

Жыл бұрын

You have to understand just like back in 1930 in Europe You have to understand Is that most things are a trend and seasons and tides of things coming and going It's the only way that Hitler had won more than 50% of the country at that time

@ThomasSmith-rj4zt

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, as we all know, college professors tend to have a "diverse belief set" lmao. Regardless, you're fine teaching that to college kids because they're 20 years old. You cannot have the same conversation with a 14-16 year old. Anything you tell them, they're just going to accept, rather than think about. It's indoctrination when the entire point is to mold children in a very specific pattern. Explain how it's not indoctrination to have a course "The Argument for Reparations" for minors. That's not even pretending to be anything else other than an attempt to increase the odds they'll vote for your legislation.

Awesome interview! We need more of this!

This is absolute gold.

We see these ideas operating together in Florida: "The first casualty of war is truth," and as Orwell wrote, “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

Love hearing and seeing Coates and Hayes calling each other Brother. This conversation was so fulfilling

@noteveharrington

Жыл бұрын

Yes. This could be a reality if so many people weren't so threatened by the possibility,

@Saoirse-xt7mi

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree! If there was just more of it, what a different country America would be.

Wonderful conversation.

They basically don’t want their past evils exposed to a new generation of kids.

@peggyivey5828

Жыл бұрын

Their, tell me you know when slavery ended. If you would listen to the source instead of the BS you would upstanding something instead of this BS shaming.

@sceptre3524

Жыл бұрын

@@peggyivey5828 “BS shaming”??? You denounce Hitler but you hv your own Hitlers plural that you all elected to offices name schools college parks street cities counties after…. ThTs the BS!

Yes!!! That's what I tell my brother all of the time. Voting matters.

So great to hear such a thoughtful detailed conversation.. thank you!

"between the world and me" brought me as close to walking in a black person's shoes as I think possible. Though I have always had sympathy and compassion and intellectual understanding of the history of blacks in the United States, I not only better understand the situation but I can better justify why I support movements and projects and laws other than them being under the umbrella of civil rights. I'm sharing my experience reading his book because I think it is that important to understanding where and why The Arc of Justice keeps crumbling. This is one of those books that helps me be a better person. It will stay with me forever.

@pameeds1

Жыл бұрын

Same for me. An eye-opening book for me.

@eattherich9215

Жыл бұрын

If you want to know what it is like to be black in America, do what John Howard Griffin did. He chronicles his experiences in the book 'Black like me'.

@vanessahillmusic

Жыл бұрын

It would be nice to stop systemic racism, but history is not history when it's still happening today. So, the only way to stop the systemic race theory is to get rid of the racist.... Ron DeSatan

@marseanmoore1066

Жыл бұрын

I am finishing up We Were In Power. Buying this book next.

@sarahbrower2453

Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

Brilliant interview! A lively, enlightening exchange between two articulate people. Thank you Chris, Thank Ta-Nehisi

Great point he made about only a few years back the big story was about “helicopter” parents coddling their children. And now we have laws in Florida “protecting” children from certain subjects deemed to be too difficult for them to think about.🤷🏽‍♀️😑

@darlalathan6143

Жыл бұрын

That's because both right and left-wing parents use their children as political footballs for indoctrination since they are too young to vote and they want them to follow the family traditions.

@amyhayutin1738

Жыл бұрын

@@darlalathan6143 you may be correct on this. A sort of mind control, and this Coates’ interview pointed out the lack of critical thinking skills for young adults. Let’s share some stories about people from Florida doing some good things, I’m sure there are a few.

@Swnsasy

Жыл бұрын

@@amyhayutin1738 Floridian here. Yes, there are good.. Val Demmings. The first black police chief and under her, crime dropped 42%.... I love that woman.. Unfortunately, the Cuban older generation hear, SOCIALIST, and they get scared and vote Republican... Rubio literally DOES NOT WORK!! 537 votes he's missed.. He just doesn't come to work and they don't care as long as it's not a Democrat FOR Socialism.... This PROVES they have no idea what actual Socialism is nor understand how this country works... We literally have socialist policies.. We are calling for a balance in Socialism and Capitalism..

@peggyivey5828

Жыл бұрын

Black history is already taught in Florida, just not a specific class for black history. Why not Japanese American history, or a class just for native American people. The US is no just one ethnicity.

@nwananka

Жыл бұрын

@@peggyivey5828 go and check the current list of Florida AP classes

"How can you disagree with someone if you don't read them?" 🎯

@warlockpaladin2261

Жыл бұрын

I have read some of his drivel.

WOW! As a blonde blue-eyed white woman, with two racially mixed children, I am so impressed with the intellectual and stimulating conversation about race. Thank you!!! Why can't we have this kind of conversation throughout the whole of the United States? And especially in our Congress, House of Representatives?

@CreatureFeature666

Жыл бұрын

You are so caught up on racial identity. Jeeeesus! Are you raising your kids to be good little victims?

@thebilboshow168

Жыл бұрын

Omg virtue signal harder for the simps in the back 🤣

@jackstrubbe7608

Жыл бұрын

@@CreatureFeature666 more than likely, trying not to raise her kids like I presume you would. Back off. Her contextualization is not virtue signalling.

@ggggloveking9419

Жыл бұрын

@@jackstrubbe7608 I read it that way...tbh

@CreatureFeature666

Жыл бұрын

@@jackstrubbe7608 assumptions from someone who supports race hustlers means nothing to me.

Like your daughter bringing home that boy you don't like. This is only making our youth more interested in learning history period! Black History is American History.

Great interview. I'm a big fan of Ta-Nehisi Coates. Love the dialogue between him and Chris Hayes, so engaging. Ta-Nehisi is spot on when he speaks of "why" things are the way they are and the backlash we are feeling today. The symbolism. The polarization.

Excellent interview that fed my mind. Thank you, Hayes and Coates.

"Backlash... it's also a statement of how threatened they feel." When your enemy doesn't like what you're doing, do more of it.

@ThomasSmith-rj4zt

Жыл бұрын

Good luck. The education issue is winning Republicans spaces in government. You guys thought backlash would come to Desantis and he won by 20 points after winning by half a point the last time.

@sandywaters1153

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasSmith-rj4zt So that means we let racism and homophobia to reign??

@leonfrancis3418

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasSmith-rj4zt Of course it is. Racism works for a party that proudly displays it. That doesn't really change what Solo said. When your enemy is upset at something you're doing it, keep doing it. This is one of the best things that could happen to parents of melanated children. Instead of depending on their enemy to teach their children, they will have to teach them. I didn't learn about events like the government sactioned deletion of Fred Hampton, kr the writings of immaculate authors like Dr Frances Cress Welsing, or the real history of this country, until I was a man. The children in my household know these things from before they're teenagers, have internalized them, and have recognized this country for what it is. That's extremely important.

@AJ-hc5zo

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasSmith-rj4zt DeSantis can have Florida for as long as he wants. The issue is socially conservative issues are wildly unpopular at the federal level. Hence republicans finding a way to lose by 10 million votes to Joe Biden, the vanilla wafer of candidates.

@vanessahillmusic

Жыл бұрын

It would be nice to stop systemic racism, but history is not history when it's still happening today. So, the only way to stop the systemic race theory is to get rid of the racist.... Ron DeSatan

I strongly admire and respect the dialogue, among two intelligent individuals.

This was so interesting and hopeful - thank you.

Someone once said "To a person who is used to privilege....equality seems like a oppression." Any time African Americans make a step forward there is always a backlash....Yet at the same time those same people say "Pull yourself up with your own bootstraps". When those people say that phrase....they mean "Don't get on welfare but don't become successful either.....be content with working at McDonald's"

@fromthehaven94

Жыл бұрын

It would help if there weren't an expanding gap between what the average citizen has in their savings (if they're able to) and the net worth of millionaires and billionaires.

@theragoooverlord5021

Жыл бұрын

Those after equality are really after special treatment. This guy is just another guy making money off race.

Excellent interview Chris! Bravo 👏🏽 💯

It's hard to find a better person alive than Mr. Coates.

I love them both, Ta-Nehisi and Chris. Perfect gentlemen.

I wonder if learning about the Black Plague or Dust Bowl makes students feel good?

@darlalathan6143

Жыл бұрын

No but the fact that they happened so long before they were born cushions the blow!

@vanessahillmusic

Жыл бұрын

It would be nice to stop systemic racism, but history is not history when it's still happening today. So, the only way to stop the systemic race theory is to get rid of the racist.... Ron DeSatan

@afrosamourai400

Жыл бұрын

Is studying about feeling good?

@Saoirse-xt7mi

Жыл бұрын

@@afrosamourai400 I was never told that learning was always going to be a pleasant experience. Many times it's not comfortable, but most people come out of the most uncomfortable learning environments forever changed into better human beings.

What a great interview!!!!

Great interview!! Respect to you both.

Beautiful dude..thanks Chris! you doing good...lets get it together y'al!!! ...right now

Intellectual conversation. 🎉 Best Chris Meyers show yet! ❤

This was a great conversation!!! One the best I've seen in awhile

Great Conversation Chris is on point, so is TA-NEHISI.❤❤❤

That was stupid of DeSantis and stupid of Florida Citizens not to do something about it...

18 minutes of real conversation on television. Wow.

I can discuss the legal system historically as it pertains to gender, without feeling "guilty" about being a man. Tribalism is petty.

You both speak to TRUTH, I've read all his books, recommended them to others.

Great interview!

As a student of the New Testament , I can’t tell you how often I have had to say “ouch “, after reading several scriptures. But, I am grateful that I serve a God who encourages me to question Him. It demonstrates my need to invite Him into my mental discourse.

Wow.. yuh this was a master class✨ infectiously gifted.. kindred, reflectively brilliant. Thank you both.

Thank Chris Hayes and Professor Coats! Keep up the great work!!

No responsible children growing up to be responsible adults❗😱❗

Great conversation!

He is wonderful! I used his book with my book group..

The world was once a freak show to us now we are are a freak show to the world! How did that happen?

@Noreb

Жыл бұрын

same way it always does - religion.

@ggggloveking9419

Жыл бұрын

@@Noreb Agreed. As religion, and the percentage of churchgoing Americans has declined, our status as a freak show has increased. An inverse relationship.

@Noreb

Жыл бұрын

@@ggggloveking9419 and yet all of the data, evidence and history of western civilization prove the exact opposite of your claims.

@joycej9415

Жыл бұрын

I read a book by Kurt Andersen called Evil Genuises The Unmaking of America and it tells exactly how it happened. The Republicans have been working toward it for decades

@Saoirse-xt7mi

Жыл бұрын

@@joycej9415 Aided and abetted by a very reliable base of voters who have no interest in the truth.

Those who condemn the teachings... We're taught by vile people ... And they breed ... 🤦🏻‍♀️

I find this segment to really put the issue in its correct perspective.

Great reporting.Very interesting and informative.👍💌

Ta-Nehisi Coates is just great I am glad he was on!

Just a great interview / conversation. Thank you so much.

Great conversation, thank you

Just don't go to college in FLA, simple. If I was a current student or staff there, I'd be transferring immediately.

If your trying to keep the people week and under your control. Florida is as good as Russia.

Florida: A State of Minds Controlled by Micromanagers. - Skipped out of class -Did not read the homework -Believe Critical Thinking is critical of THEM -Communicate to perform rather than collaborate.

Man, Tell Me More... I hope you have him on the podcast because I'd love to hear more of this conversation.

Great discussion. Thank you!

"The political core of any movement for freedom in society has to have the political imperative to protect free speech." ~ bell hooks (Gloria Jean Watkins), American writer and activist

@metadegen

Жыл бұрын

Free speech is having the right to offend

@jkacz9466

Жыл бұрын

Bertha Bridges, Greetings from New Orleans and I agree with your assessment completely.

As as a white Boomer from Brooklyn, NY I remember learning about Slavery in public grade school in the 1960s

@Burisma-Board-Member

Жыл бұрын

How many trans slaves can you name?

@ghostlogan

Жыл бұрын

yeah they don't teach about slavery in the deep south plantations are never portrayed as death camps and nothing bad ever happened according to my k-12 teachers

@kgirl310

Жыл бұрын

We were taught the subject of slavery when our tenth grade teacher rolled in the school television and popped in the Roots VHS tapes. He spent those hours in the faculty lounge smoking while reading his Golf Digest.

@batgurrl

Жыл бұрын

@@ghostlogan that is understandable since slavery continued in the southern states until the civil war ended, more or less

@ggggloveking9419

Жыл бұрын

@@batgurrl I live in Richmond VA, which was the Confederate capital, and we were taught about Slavery.

So nice to listen to this calm interview and moments of pause while thinking about what to say.

Important, the heart of the matter--- many thanks.. Would have liked this discussion to go on for at least an hour.

Very good interview & commentary with informative dialogue.

Evil allowed to win hurts everyone.

I am praying for the day that parents due the Florida State, Louisiana State , etc education system and claim their kids got PTSD from reading American history in high school. Those pictures of President Washington on the Potomac with his boys, Lincoln's assassination, the Alamo, or the civil war deaths really made me have anxiety attacks. In fact any POC might have a reasonable lawsuit.

@whitewhale9012

Жыл бұрын

Fragile much?

@briarpatchson3039

Жыл бұрын

✝️✝ Matthew 11:28 "Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." ✝ Matthew 11:29 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."