Whoever at GGG thought that t17 maps bridge a gap for Uber bosses are ABSOLUTELY COOKED.

@randomfeg4141

4 ай бұрын

I mean they would if they had a bit more life, but then they also have insane fucking mods you can't change for some reason and get affectes by atlas and the mal mobs get efffected by the lantern too, and that pushes it over uber territory imo

@madhatten5123

4 ай бұрын

It was probably the same guy that tested this crafting mechanic and was like yup this is fun and enjoyable to interact with lol

@godspeed6288

4 ай бұрын

its recycled content from the 600$ valdo, wich are also terrible design. Giving more access to boss unique than boss themself.

@Chronor007

4 ай бұрын

atleast mark from gggs interview well knew that it was baseline a bridge maybe, but that with three and juice they can easily surpass ubers. Apparently it was known and wanted like this.

@jix1991

4 ай бұрын

did a full run of all t17 on my 40mirror legacy character in standard and almost died in some of them - I can afk every uber boss in the game.

I don't hate them being unmodifiable, but if they're going that route the mods need to be way, way more reasonable. Like 75% of the ones I've found in SSF are just not doable for my build. Having something like "no regen" is fine in a modifiable map, but if you're going to make it unmodifiable it needs to be something like 30% less regen or any other reasonable number. The fact that most T17s just have a fully bricking mod on them is silly.

@fok8810

4 ай бұрын

Gg noobs

T17 Abomination boss with extra proj is some of the most insane shit i've ever seen. Screen absolutely filled with exploding projectiles. I felt like I was having a fever dream in hell.

Hard agree. I hate that these come with mods at all. It sucks for eater and exarch and it sucks here.

@jungroan

4 ай бұрын

I kinda like mods - but I also like being able to opt in/out of them. seems like a trend we're getting away from though

@qivra8887

4 ай бұрын

@@jungroan same design philosophy from current league mechanic, slightly more reasonable but still horrible imo, powercreep is becoming more of a problem and their solution is to just throw more mods on the maps....

@ExiphVG

4 ай бұрын

@@jungroan this league seems like and ill say it in marks words "deal with it", and that isnt good imo

April Fools from us here at GGG hahaha! This was a great April Fools joke Jungroan. We are glad you are enjoying how perfectly fair and balanced the T17 maps currently are! Your feedback is valuable to us, and after seeing this joke video, we're seriously considering making them a little more difficult to align with their intended difficulty being between non-uber and uber bosses!

@adriangodoy4610

4 ай бұрын

Guaranteed, reflect + no regen, + no flask charges to maximize the fun!

@zeriel9148

3 ай бұрын

@@adriangodoy4610 Reflect with every mob applying +damage effects so not even 100% reflect reduction can save you!

0:48 UBER SHAVRONNE ROFL!

I’m just a little spell totem player and was shocked at the starting prices of Viridi Veil this league. Turns out they moved it to Uber Maven. Why? Like 5 of us was using it? 😢

@fakeplaystore7991

4 ай бұрын

Because fuck you, that's why. Also, frame your complaint in form of an easily digestible meme or the busy folk at GGG can't read you.

never seen so many goated takes in a row in a 2 min video. bro went like 12/12 good takes

Look at all those wonderful mechanics that are incredibly punishing to melee builds. Good game design A+++

GGG could at least make them rollable with chaos orbs, so people cant farm them white, which they probably dont want since they made them unmodifiable, but you can at least do something to get a non-bricked map that you either trade or vendor.

is a god gamer is struggling with these, what we pheasants supposed to do? Guess I'll die

Oh, I get it - It's April First, so you're really saying T17's are super-ultra-awesome!

Should have included a bingo sheet

@jungroan

4 ай бұрын

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The one map I found had an environmental mod that full wiped my spectres every time it hit them. I don’t even know if I was close to the end by the time I ran out of portals

Remove divine shrine and invincibility aura for rares

outside of fortress, all the other map bosses have things that I like more then even ubers, its such a shame that the bosses are either completely free by playing the filter game on the trade website, or 30 chaos for some immortal dogshit build to do

BenSaid

I was able to kill all Ubers but I can't complete even a single t17 with the same build xD

Since I heard T17s were suppose to be a bridge between T16 and ubers, I started this league with the intention of doing all T17s in SSF. Sad to hear this, but maybe they'll make a mid league change

@jungroan

4 ай бұрын

if you farm long enough, you'll get many t17s you can run in ssfsc (but also a lot you can't e.g. no regen, no recharge, no leech, 90% reduced aura, global defence (EB builds rip), etc.) i'm also hoping for the mid-league change.

@Kostchei

4 ай бұрын

Went into my first with a five link, got the reality check reeeal fast xD

@Morphexe

4 ай бұрын

@@Kostchei we went in with a duo ,aura and carry, got clapped. hard. 85% resists and over 4K hp, and got one shotted to 1000% crit multi lol

@ticklord

4 ай бұрын

I'd be shocked if they don't change some stuff, it's still only the beginning of week 2 so.

Do i understand it correctly that your atlas nodes work on t17 maps? Can masters spawn (niko buffs) or smugglers stashes (Huck buff/Aura) AND shrines? Seems like nice future gauntlet cheese

Part of the issue, which is not fixed in the patch notes is atlas affecting it as you mentioned. If you aren't fully specd into quant and mod effect, you are missing out on a lot but the mods just get so crazy when you have close to 100% increased effect of mods. Cleared one with over 200% quant and got lucky ropped 3 fragments

@jungroan

4 ай бұрын

wait what fr? ive been running with every quant node with keystone and havent hit 3

@jh8072

4 ай бұрын

@@jungroan needs to be over 300% quant from high base quant + sac frags. I didn't test altars or the more quant keystone but they should effect it too

Are the T17 mods currently being affected by the unavoidable League modifiers? I wonder if it got balanced w/o taking the Necro league being taken into consideration and I wonder if that is the case would they be more reasonable in standard or in future leagues.

no im jungroan

btw after this update my game is mostly unplayable . with AMD 5700x , RTX 3060 Ti and 16GB 8 GB 8 GB ram . like i open a map when i trigger delirium or expedition my game will start to lag and my screen graphic details will become very very blur like " game boy pixel graphic" i try to search at google and youtube how to fix lag or change graphic settings but it was really useless. can someone help me please ... last season i still can play just when i play high 8 mod or high pack size map will be lag and blur little bit but now is totally lag and whole screen blur even with low settings.

@AveragePoE_Enjoyer

4 ай бұрын

Toggle off dynamic resolution

@michael10613

4 ай бұрын

upgrade your ram, you need 16 minimum. Preferably 32

@whatiswinrate

4 ай бұрын

How about 64 RAM? Doesn't costs much actually

I really dont see how i could do these in ssfhc, any suggestions?

@BIGPILGRIM420

4 ай бұрын

play a whole league to get one that your build can do to drop and then die anyway.

@notskrub7013

4 ай бұрын

you sit on them and wait until ggg does something about it it's just not a good hc OR ssf league in general lol

If atlas mods works on t17 so you can probably run 25 less damage taken atlas mod ?

You’re not running your 3rd atlas with no points allocated strat?

they should make the mods roll like white maps, but pump the base stats of everything inside, this way the variance wont be as wild and the mod values wont get so high that they can brick whole builds.

Hard agree. I would add to that: on death effects maaaan, i swear monsters usually don't even hit you but then they spawn 28263636 different orbs that stay on the ground for 5 seconds

Fully agree with all these points but tbf, I only did 3 of these maps so far. In my first map I opened a 4 mod essence like an idiot, and it instantly oneshot my lvl21 AG so I lost like a 100c in one click.

It seems like they should be modifiable, just not with scouring orbs and set a minimum number of affixes (so you can't just annul it to 0). It'll still have T17 mods, but being able to roll them a bunch randomly with chaos or trying to annul off 1 or 2 painful mods would be nice, without completely trivializing the increased difficulty.

I want jung fight them as a melee and say again that they need more HP.

@jungroan

4 ай бұрын

i think every melee player would rather have these bosses have 100% more hp but not have 4 proj 800%crit 20% pen ghosted LOL..

@Shiro_Okami5

4 ай бұрын

​@jungroan Yeah I would definitely take a longer fight over a fight that ends from a single mistake for sure lol

@BlackRuffy17

4 ай бұрын

@@jungroan Agree, agree. Mechanics are fun, just not if overpowered by them

GGG - " just deal with it "

I have no clue who tested these t17 maps but they must be good at the game to call these bosses as "bridge" to ubers. There's just too much going on and everything melts you down in a moment despite being res capped/suppress capped and etc.

Would be great if they can only be modified by chaos slamming them. It keeps the crazy mods they obviously want always there, but lets you roll passed ones that brick your build.

They need to adjust quite some bit. League mechanic needs some UX-love. Barely touched it.

the frags also need to not be 5 for a boss, it takes far too long to even attempt one uber imo

They could make it so they are at least rare (yellow) and let you mod them, seems like a good middle ground

Add it to the list!

yeah my build is making t17s look easy, mines are back ones again baby LOGIN

I agree they should be modified but will need to drop pre-split and maybe with "always has at least 4 explicits".

They should make these maps only rare, you can't scour them or run them magic, but should still be modifiable with a minimum amount of mods so you can't just scour down.

This is my first league, i killed maven, and uber elder. Farmed alot of t16 maps and got what i thought was good gear. Dropped my first t17 map and got clapped 6 times in the first hallway. Thought it was going to be a good challenge but was impossible. Not sure where to even go from here to make my character tanky enough.

It could be good. I wanted it to be good. Right now, it's another notch on the list of things I buy a carry for and then forget about.

I miss the old cam setup

T17 Maven Invitation when?

Someone needs to summon neon to this video

yeah but how do you milk the breastfeeder corgosDance widetime

So T17 maps are kind of Uber themselves lol. GGG could keep them for POE masochists.

Ieague started as a squishy totem build that can farm uber bosses on day 2 with ~10d investment. I gave up on him once I realized I had no chance at getting through T17 maps without significantly more defenses. My whole league start plans have been screwed by overtuned "bridge" content.

Yeah, like if they want them to be harder that makes sense, but the unmodifiable is rough. If they don't want people to trivialize it, at least make a line that says the map can only be rare or something, that way you can't just scour and run it, but you can at least try to roll away mods that utterly brick your build.

Got my first T17 map and it was bricked for my build in SSF. I will just wait for the gauntlet, waste of time to play till this league gets 2 months of updates.

@jungroan

4 ай бұрын

gauntlet aint happenin

0:11 i got to know what build ben can easily kill ubers with!

i agree with your suggestions

u can always have an empty atlas for t17

Well, so long as its considered THE endgame content, instead of ubers, i think its just fine. Besides, isnt it like guaranteed i84-86 items? tremendous value early on. And even though people die to it regularly, apparently it can be done.

Make it so the map is always 8 mods can't roll less than that but you can change it this way it's always a difficult challenge

Having to get 5 fragments to do an uber is really bad.

I feel like t17 maps being unmodifiable highlights just how awful and outdated map mods are as a whole. Thoughts?

Just make the maps modifiable and change the difficulty a decent bit. But change the 100% frag drop so its scaled from map quantity etc so if someone wants to run them rare corrupted they should be rewarded from it with like 1-2 frags vs some guy running them white. And make the map device unlock be like "run t17 rare corrupted" instead of just run t17.

How does the game look so clean and smooth in these clips 😮

T17 should be unmodifiable, I agree, assuming reasonable inherent mods. But I wouldn't mind a node on the atlas tree that lets you modify them.

agree fully

Not afraid to admit I stopped playing POE (been playing since Delerium) because it's too hard-core for me and it seems like every league is less about fun and more about focusing on the fotm meta build.

BRO U HAVE KILLED HOW MANY UBERS THIS LEAGUE?

Ben said

Their solution will be to make the ubers harder :D

To be fair, Jung you fought Ubers over and over that you already know the mechanics by heart, I mean ofcourse Ubers will be easier for you.. once you start knowing the t-17 mechanics then it won’t be such a problem

Unmodifiable could be cool if they toned down the mods

Had a fire and fury t16 with infinite regen because of the league mechanic. Feels bad, man.

Balanced around an hand full of broken (meta?) builds. You just picked the wrong build 😂

Good april fools, Jungroan. Now give us your true opinion on T17.

Unmodifiable means only one thing... run them without mods...

Sounds like a skill issue to me Kappa

You know what sucks about these t17 maps, the rewards, 1 fragment is a spit in the face. They literally just fixed what was not broken in the previous leagues and managed to move forward 1 step but take 10 steps backwards.

It feels very unbalanced, and in comparison to ubers being a skill expression, this feels more like a gear check and rng fest, that bricks some builds completely. Learning the actual fights is hard when you sometimes cant get to them bc there are rares with 4 mods that one shot you

Idk dude Only solution is to buff uber bosses to be harder than current t17s

Please never wear a cap again.

I wonder if they do have inhouse any testing before launching leagues.

alkaizer in the chat xdd

1:18 xdd

based

99.9% reduce elemental resistances. So what's the point of having them on our gear? instead of targeting heavily on stats, they can make the mechanics harder instead of just janks all over the screen

"If your build can't exceed 3BIL DPS, your build sucks." -a GGG dev, somewhere. (the hit cap's 2.147B or 35M DOT)

No

Take this with a grain of salt please. I mean have the same problem with tier 6 or 7 maps most of the time and people tell me to git gud. I can't wait until I get slaughtered in TIer 17, too :')

poe bad baseg

I love how GGG Devs went "we play the game as you do" during the live interview. But obviously they don't. No way anyone with half a working brain has tested those with realistic characters and went "yep, that's a good medium between juiced T16 and Ubers".

2:03 they're not uber pinnacle bosses, they're map bosses, in maps.

i hear alot of whining in this video, think about it. people grinding Uberbosses like its nothing. PoE community need something new to strife for. And here it is. tier 17. If you dont like it, dont run them. stay behind and grind ur uberbosses instead :) just saying

psst.....GGG doesn't revolve the game around HC players. HC players are an after thought. Why? They like money, and most people that take pride playing HC probably don't have jobs.

@jungroan

4 ай бұрын

do you think current t17s are good for casual sc players?

@ChucktheMan33

4 ай бұрын

Nobody likes this, especially when "aspirational content" is the only way to get lots of fun/viable boss drops and its gated by straight up build disabling unmodifiable maps. GGG is trying to keep players in the game by impeding them rather than giving them a good time, just that whenever they do this player numbers drop and anyone who sticks around hates their time

@colonelJ77

4 ай бұрын

@@jungroan do you think it is good for sc players?

@MultiDraco999

4 ай бұрын

Yeah sure buddy, let me run the maps that brick my ssfsc build

@colonelJ77

4 ай бұрын

@@MultiDraco999 cry me a river. Ssf is impeding your progress every second. Hc is impeding your progress every second. Enjoy it...new content isn't designed with ssfhc players in mind and it will always be that way until they come up with something better.... LE had did interesting ideas when it comes to this issue

Players cannot Leech? Slayer ruined. Monsters cannt be Taunted? Champion ruined. Hexproof monsters? Builds relying on curses that are not Occultist are ruined. No Regen? TONS of archetypes ruined, but doable IF you play around it for some builds. There are probably so many other examples too that I have not mentioned. I've been waiting for map modifiers to be tweaked for so long. I literally do not play builds that can't do all map mods anymore, which eliminate 90% of builds from the game for me.

ah yes finally other mid OP build complain how they cant do content like the most OP build lmao,build issue

This is not good

Or just get gud bro? Your build may have the numbers but Totems just clear everything

All this complaining get good

god damn bullet hell who think of this shit omg

Ben said