Kleber: Dont forget the Torpedoe angles. They are like 15 degrees off the front so you can literally rush a ship, point, shoot, and sink. Then just scoot away at 50+ knts. Its best ambush by far.

@zacharyjackson1829

Жыл бұрын

If im going to play for torp ambushes im playing Sherman :D

@drewsmithson6665

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyjackson1829 Except, Kleber is faster, more torpedoes, and better angles. Edit: Oh and btw....sherman torps do 17.9k damage. Kleber does 18.4k So...more torpedoes, faster torpedoes, more damage per torpedoe, and much better angles.

@wazewaze8185

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyjackson1829 that a joke lol?

@038alpha

Жыл бұрын

Also 1min torp reload lmao

@zacharyjackson1829

Жыл бұрын

@@wazewaze8185 i was hoping it was obvious but apparently not...

The thing with Elbing is that its actually a very strong ship if you play it in its intended role (i.e. sneak up on a flank and punnish unsuspecting broadside cruisers) BUT Its terrible at treaditional DD things like contesting caps, fighting enemy dds, repositioning etc..

@Swarm509

Жыл бұрын

That would be good but with so many ways to be spotted I don't see them doing that often. Also the game doesn't lend itself to that, it expects DD's to be pushing caps, spotting, and in general be brawling more often. Taking up a DD spot but acting as a light cruiser is a tough spot to be in.

@FMeyer-zg5mg

Жыл бұрын

i find elbing more usefull in caps than a grozo (this damn dd never stops when you need it lol), and 6,5km concealment is damn good for those great guns, how can you struggle to fight other dds with this ?

@dzello

Жыл бұрын

It's not a good ship specifically because of that. Cap contest is extremely important so losing a destroyer for it is not worth it.

@GodOfWaaar

Жыл бұрын

@@Swarm509 but then there are minos sneaking up on DDs in caps

@Mooncricketstinks

Жыл бұрын

Elbing is a dd that shouldn't be in a dd slot since it sucks at dd roles. 😕 capping and spotting is a primary job and when you can't do either well. Well it kind of defeats the purpose of having you as a dd. Literally everyone else on your team can pound on cruisers.

I haven't played Harugumo too much, but Akizuki and Kita are simply amazing. That line is worth it just for those 2. Extremely fun ships.

@oldRighty1

Жыл бұрын

Kitty is one of those DDs that is stronger for her tier than the T10, I think, similar to the Fletcher / Gearing.

@wisdomleader85

Жыл бұрын

Put Yamamoto on your Harugumo and you basically get a machinegun once his "second wind" gets activated after a Kraken.

@hallasnackbar1865

Жыл бұрын

Kita is a better all around dd than harugumo. Harugumo is better at sitting still in smoke and farming damage but that's it.

@rowinglove4ever

Жыл бұрын

@@hallasnackbar1865 harugumo stay in smoke is very bad decision! very big target that eats a lot of torps!

@sillysaili

Жыл бұрын

​@@rowinglove4ever just dodge lol jokes aside tho, with good game awareness, it's not that hard to know where and when torps are coming towards your smoke keyword being "with good game awareness"

Good content. These are up there with my favorite series of yours. Keep it up.

Finished A.Regolo , now my body is a husk

Keep them coming Potato!!!! Love Tier List !

Like your videos dude , keep em coming ! Happy hollidays !

Daring is the most balanced DD, fully agree, can deal with Kleber, Sherman, Ragnar comfortably as long as you choose the fight. Smalands will dumpster you once in a while though but thats just smaland stuff.

@ReDiR20

Жыл бұрын

Smaland has radar, but nothing else that would really bother good dd player. Just an average dd

@truefluekiller

Жыл бұрын

@@ReDiR20 You must be kidding. It is the best DD by FAR because it has literally anything

@saintzero9044

Жыл бұрын

You are right, smaland is a superior dd than darling, but is premium.

@j_taylor

Жыл бұрын

@@ReDiR20 Smaland has excellent guns and its torpedoes are enough to wreck a DD.

@Voygliz

Жыл бұрын

@@ReDiR20 nothing else? What about the amazing concealment with an absurd DPM (actually the 2nd best HE DPM of t10 dds behind Marceau) So you have that DPM with (if you build for it) a 6,1km concealment (if I'm right) and a 7,5km radar. Oh, and you have torps unlike some gunboats. And a heal. And a 30% speed bust. Yeah, barely an average DD. Lol.

Again, thanks so much for these great best T10 videos. Looking forward to videos on premiums!

Gearing is still my go-to ship if i want to hardcarry, other ships may be better but the "jack of all trades" is nice to carry ranked, because you can influence every situation.

@Swarm509

Жыл бұрын

I see so many poorly played Gearings who die in gunboat fights with DD's or simply cannot use their torps. A well played Gearing is a scary thing to a cruiser or BB I've found, but most of the time I assume they will go die in the first 5 minutes at a cap or just be useless. Slowly grinding my way up the line so I'll have to give her a go myself and see how she plays.

@whiskeysk

Жыл бұрын

the legendary module makes it unreasonably stronger, even the spotting difference is only 0.3km. I can't really explain it but it's just way stronger than without it.

The Z52 is still one of my favs to play, but it has been power crept so much in the game that it is out done by 99% of every other DD in the game.

love the halland. the torps are gentle pillowy kisses but they're SO FAST, and the guns are no joke.

A few notes on Elbing. It's main battery can shoot out to 16 km with laser accuracy. Hitting cruisers or battleships at those ranges for 4-6k per salvo is normal. At closer ranges, it will citadel light cruisers reliably sometimes regardless of angle. You haven't lived until you have driven into a Smolenk's smoke and citadel him through the bow. It's torpedoes are interesting because while they share the specs of the Schlieffen torps with 13.5 KM range and 50 knot speed, they reload insanely quickly.

Nice vid. I only have Halland and Marceau Tier 10. I think capability of AA on Halland is good, but in these days of Super CVS you can still struggle against them if they focus you alone, but fun to play. My biggest problem with the Marceau is I don't have a decent captain on it, and probably not playing it that well!! Currently on my way up Daring line - pretty fun and in certain situations the single launch torps can be deadly :)

@hgh425

Жыл бұрын

Only at östergötland, but got Marceau too. I just already had Jean Bart B. Already to train my captain. Very fast very difficult and very fun ship.

Daring is fabulous, my most played DD in CB - single launch torps are perfect for dev striking bow on Ruskies. Shima is my goto DD in Ranked with the 8km torps - you Dev Strike ships extremely often and cap control is a breeze with RPF. Halland is my fav random ship because of the fabulous match with Jerzy, the AA makes planes go away, the torps suit the camping meta.

I main as a YY + legendary module + radar and I love to see her get some praise. Everybody sleeps on the LM because it ruins your concealment, but I like it due to it giving me a +20 second radar and gun on par with Gearing. It's quite competitive in modes like Brawls where most people bring BBs

Yueyang also has radar to replace smoke. If your opponent DD uses its smoke, you now have smoke and radar. I don't think this raises its rank, but it balances its guns.

I would not shy away from the French DDs as a new player. They are so unique and so much fun, they have to be played asap even if they do not provide consistent results. The fun and uniqueness are too strong of arguments to not consider French DDs immediately.

@shoukatsukai

Жыл бұрын

The skill floor is low but the skill ceiling is high. French DDs aren't forgiving due to the lack of a heal if you catch yourself in a very bad spot.

@vexatriss

Жыл бұрын

I love the French DD’s the most. You have the DD hunter in Marceau and the Railgun with Kleber. Also 55+ knots lmao

@LaunchpadGP

Жыл бұрын

Can't say I would recommend them at all for a new player who hasn't yet mastered the art of positioning. They're great in skilled hands and lots of fun but lack of smoke and heal makes them not very beginner friendly. In my experience Soviet and French dd's in the hands of newer players are often among the first to die as it's easy to get into trouble with that kind of speed and detectability.

Just finished grinding up to the Halland. Torps, heal, AA are all great. Not having the smoke to fall back on really forces you to develop map awareness and learn not to overextend.

Good info from this video

The gearing was my first, i first started the line only to be able to do some missions with them at lower tiers because i was crap in dd, i only played bbs. But once i got up above tier 5-6 it started going a little beter, though it didnt start going great until like benson/fletcher. Now i got Shimakaze and on the way to daring, but think so far Gearing is by far the bes in my mind, i love how its a hybrid because if im just good at aiming its not too hard to gun down most other dds even stronger gun boat dds. Its just amazing i think.

One thing not mentioned about the gearing is that with the legendary upgrade it's detection becomes best in class equaled only by the Shima and I think the Neustrashimy at 5.6km.

@NormusDiabolus

Жыл бұрын

Best in Class (T8+) would be Kagero and clones and Asashio with 5.4.

@Darren4352

Жыл бұрын

@@NormusDiabolus To be clear I was speaking of Tier X. Otherwise we could have held up the mutsuki or the kamikaze though I could see the confusion since I included the Neustrashimy which is Tier IX.

@Panocek

Жыл бұрын

@@Darren4352 Yugumo have 5.5km while also outgunning and outtorming Neustra.

I tried all of these ships out in the last KotS a few months ago. Nothing like having a training room that lets you set up all of the tier 10 ships with 21captains, and epic level equipment. So with all that being said, I'm in full agreement with everything you said, except about the Daring/Gearing parts... Mostly because I'm not a gunboat DD fan. I totally love Torpedo Boats. 🙂Ya.. All sneaky assassin creeping around launching torps, and scooting off, keeping people spotted for my team. On the other hand, my fav Cruiser is still the Radar Minotaur. lol Because I know people like to creep around in DD's lol (BladeCaptain/NA Server)

Love the UK Dds - they're usually my favourites for ranked. A bit slow but that's all... My favourite though I think is Gearing - just good all round. Shima's good with torps (I play the 8km ones) - but that can be frustrating, Groz is a decent boat too.

Thanks PQ! Happy Holidays' to you~ ~v~

I love grozovoi! She just insanely good...Oh dear i love to punish every overpush DDs with her. If you know what are you doing with her, you basically unable to die.

@EvoraGT430

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. So many DD players pick fights with it and regret it.

@usssimshullnumberdd-4095

11 ай бұрын

I quite often forget Grozovoi exist and because of this i often forget the base stats of it when im up against it. It seems like a good ship but I suck at RU DDs, any tips for grinding that line?

Totally agree on the Halland. It's my most played tier ten ship for a reason. Torps are so much fun, especially with the special commander that boosts your reload once you hit 8 torps. And I've won gunfights even against Darings in it.

@Swarm509

Жыл бұрын

Grinding the line now (just got the tier 8). Does it keep sucking right up the Halland? Really feels like the line has little battle impact, even if I am landing torp hits and spotting a lot.

@NoName-wi8xz

Жыл бұрын

Should i grind it despite not having swirski? or should i wait, get the commander and then start grinding

@basmca1

Жыл бұрын

The T8 and T9 are oke, but Halland is where the line is the best for sure. The only bad thing is it doesn't actually cap contest very well. The torp angles are awefull, the acceleration is poor and it doesn't have smoke.

@tazblink

Жыл бұрын

@@Swarm509 The Oster is a nice upgrade and then the Halland is another very nice upgrade. I agree the lower tier's were rough for me also. Almost dumped the line at skane. I kind of think of the line as area suppression boats. Lots of weak very fast torps and pretty good guns. Its a good boat I think you will enjoy it.

Ahoy hoy PQ. I love this new type of upload. There are lots of ships and lines I don’t know well. I’m primarily a BB main but looking to brand out.

The first DD line I went through was the Yueyang. The torpedoes not being able to hit destroyers appelead to me in a fun challenging sort of way.

I exclusively play DDs. Daring was definitely my best investment, and Halland has been refreshing in Randoms. Plus, there's the Supership evolution to look forward to there.

600 randoms in Elbing give me pause to agree with you on most of what you said. My point of contention is that her HE was recently buffed to the point where it's now a useful option in multiple situations. Kiting bow in BBs is one. Broadside DDs is another (to prevent overpens, which had been a major bugaboo for Elbing previously). It lacks the heal of Ragnar, but plays similarly in many situations. It's not the cap contester, but it has the torps, which, if used on reload, seem to always land one or two per game by accident. It's not as easy as some seem to think to hit while it kites away, happily using it's guns, the majority of which are rear facing. Sure, it's nearly suicidal to contest early caps in her, but it can do some good work backing up a friendly cap contesting DD. It will gradually sink BBs and certain cruisers, if given time and space, but can't deal very well in open water with a small contigent of accurate cruisers. The Venezia, along with Nevsky and sometimes Hindenburg must be avoided. At range, against opposing DDs that can sink her in a knife fight, the Elbing actually has good chances. I've taken out Smaland, Harugumo, etc, simply because no other DD (or any ship, really) has the ballistic accuracy, which is most valuable at range (up to 16km). Because of its flat shell arcs, it's more accurate even than Ragnar. No small thing. Nevertheless, I can't really quibble with C tier. Unlike some other C tier DDs, however, in its niche, there are no better options out there.

@dalenielsen8651

Жыл бұрын

Believe me, no Minotaur, or Worcester wants to get anywhere near an Elbing. Citadel city.

Any chance of you doing the T9 destroyers as well? With maybe a separate list for premiums?

As a DD main, I pretty much agree with all of your rankings (minor quibbles here and there, but that's just personal preference). I agree that Grozovoi is "A", but only with the unique upgrade.

Regolo is actually pretty fun if you can make use of the SAP. I can agree tho, that she is pretty hard to use.

@Joshua-fi4ji

Жыл бұрын

I loved the T7 to T9 Italian DDs more I think. The size and concealment on Regalo is just a little too bad, despite the amazing dpm. I like the ship, don't get me wrong, but I don't seem to play as well in her. Doesn't help that T10 gets more radars and really high DPM DDs either. And people camp more.

Gearing is my first tier 10 DD. Took quite a while to grind. I love the 16.5km torps and of course strong American smoke. It’s guns do seam weaker than lower tier American DDs. Thanks for the review. Next ship…Daring

i would add that halland's ASW is preferable (to me) because it launches from the front of the boat, instead of having to chase down a sub and drive over it

I love the Daring, but its a ship with quite a high skill ceiling due to its low speed, if you make a positioning mistake you get punished and its hard to escape.

I agree with your choices. Have all but Regolo and not complaining. I still like Gearing but only with the UU which gives it concealment)

I am one of those strange ones that have found the Regolo to be quite prolific for me. I play it in competitive play and yield great results. I play it similar to a Kleber and the damage you can dish out on this is amazing. Nothing like giving payback to cruisers. Pros: -DMG -Speed -Instant smoke that moves with you -High HP -13.5km Torps Cons: -Turning is mediocre, but not the worst -Definitely the range -7.2 concealment -(MAYBE)slow torps. Honestly, not sure this is a con because you will be surprised at how often they hit.

Smolensk best destroyer. I think Z 52 is a B class. It's an older hybrid like Gearing is. Both have been relegated to B from A by powercreep.

I think all of these dds can be S tier if you can play with them. For example regollo is D for you, but for me its best performing DD by stats. Dont know why but I can play with that ship. With SAP and relode mode you get around 300k DPM. So if some DD is near to you, you can kill it in seconds. You also have moving smoke, 30k health, good speed, engine boost and usable torps for some light yolo on cruisers or low health BBs.

z-52 on B tier for sure, maybe not high B tier, but B tier nonetheless. It's a good ship, with AR your torps rld surprisingly fast, 6km detec range you can play it as a torp boat at the end of the match without much issues. The surprise hidro as well, if you hide behind an island and ambush other dds, can spot them behind islands as well and open an oportunity for your team to shot the enemy dd... I see it as a support DD most of the time, but since WoWs don't reward support as much as dmg, I can see why you drop it at C tier...

@zacharyjackson1829

Жыл бұрын

I can see it being D tier not gonna lie. Ragnar/Smaland took over the Zs niche completely to the point there is literally zero reason to ever play the Z-52 if you are lucky enough to have the previous 2 ships. hell even the Black would be more useful than a Z-52 and that is a whole tier difference. It takes a special person to die to a Z-52 and an even more special kind of person to play it to begin with

@kr4ftt

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyjackson1829 both are premiums, one you can't have anymore, another is steel so really hard to farm :) and this list is about non premiums

@facenoise465

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyjackson1829 Guess I'm one of those special persons who play the Z-52 when there is clearly better alternatives.

@zacharyjackson1829

Жыл бұрын

@kr4ftt doesn't make the Z any better. Just because you follow this list doesn't mean everyone else in the game magically does. You still see a ton of Ragnars and Smalands. Most players playing this game are veterans. This game has almost no new player draw. This is a list comparing tech tree ships to each other, and most of the other ships have at least some niche for each of them that isn't stepped on by another. Gearing at least has team smokes. What does Z have? A 6km hydro that does nothing in a meta of radars, passive gameplay, subs, and carriers that don't give a shit?

@kr4ftt

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyjackson1829 clearly, then, you don't know how to play DDs :)

I got Daring back when his HE pen was bad so you were forced to only use AP, but then WG slapped improved HE pen on it (like they did on Akizuki and her 100 mm guns).

@i_nameless_i-jgsdf

Жыл бұрын

It is hardly comparable to the IJN 100 mm with 30 mm pen though. The Daring HE pen is only 19 mm that is one of the worst HE pen on a destroyer.

@florianbielawa2919

Жыл бұрын

@@i_nameless_i-jgsdf I know, I just mean the buff in general

@facenoise465

Жыл бұрын

But pre-HE pen rework Daring was busted, it had faster reload and more dpm along with those same AP shells. Only caveat back then is that you had to get IFHE to pen DD plating with HE. Still had no trouble setting fires and wrecking havoc. Now that old dpm only exists in Vampire II, the current Daring dpm has been reduced to somewhat like Gearing's level.

I can vouch for the Gearing being decent and more importantly the grind up the line pretty fun as well as that was my first Tier 10 ship. It has just been power crept pretty badly to be almost not competitive anymore. It doesn't suck but it's not great. You used to see Japanese DD's turn and try to get away when you pop up in a gearing. Now most of the DD's you face are going to stick and take their chances since the Gearing isn't the great DD killer it used to be.

Harugumo is simply my most played destroyer of tier 10. It has the most gun of any destroyer in the game with 10 fast firing guns, its torpedo power is also very strong despite it only has one launcher but it has 6 torps + torpedo reload booster with reduced cool down time. Ok ish concealment and firing range. It is a great gun boat for supporting your team but definitely not good when playing alone.

@facenoise465

Жыл бұрын

I love Harugumo for the fact that it can deal with 30mm plated cruisers quite easily by responding in kind with its guns. Something not much destroyers can do.

@i_nameless_i-jgsdf

Жыл бұрын

@@facenoise465 Yes and with IFHE which i'm using, you can penetrate any ship bow no problem. Most of my game with the Haru had 80-90% of the shells hit penetrated the targets i shot at.

I get best results in my Z52. It's just so versatile, and awesome cap contester. AP in the barrels shred DDs 30-60 degree angle

Elbing is a powerfull DD, so it should be on A in my opinion... The issue is that yes, it is a difficult DD to get used to, but when you first get the hang of her, well... it's one of my fav. DD's in the game pared with Halland, Grozovoi, Shimma

Fun video

A guns focused Z-52 is a beast though not everyone will understand why. It will always be said that when compared to the Z-52; there is always a destroyer with better DPM, better torpedoes, better concealment, better smoke consumable, better AP penetration, better shell ballistics, radar instead of 'useless' 6km hydro, and a whole host of features that they do better. What most don't realise is that while it does not excel in any particular category, it is not by any means limited either. In fact, it is arguably one of the most versatile destroyers in the game. However, the skill and knowledge required to bring out the full potential of Z-52 as a true jack of all trades is much higher than other hybrid gun/torpedo destroyers. It is necessary to have great aiming skill that is good enough to target and hit specific locations such as the bow, stern, superstructure or any armour plating section that can be penetrated using the HE or AP. It is necessary to understand how the AP arming threshold works in order to make full use of the high AP DPM. It is necessary to have vast knowledge of armour plating in order to know which locations on the ship should be targeted and the optimum angle that allows full penetration damage using the AP on DD 19mm plating. It is also necessary to have good awareness and positioning, so that it can counter other destroyers that might otherwise out gun, out torpedo or out run it. That is probably why it will not be highly regarded as a good destroyer because only a specific subset of skilled players actually knows how to use it to its fullest.

I m love to playing elbing. If WG redesign the DD line in ingame lineup (1st & 2nd line DD), it will more enjoyable to play with.

Strong AA dds is my greatest joy. Sky goblins ruin anything you try to do by striking or just spotting in general. I love my cossack but, my lord, is it frustrating to get picked on by cvs since your aa is a joke. That's why I love the Kidd, best team based dd in game IMO. Full aa build and DFAA smart cvs tend to leave you alone, which coupled with team smoke, gives alot of freedom for you and your team to push areas, especially German bbs to help them get closer to a more brawl range. Good concealment too. I'm in oland right now and it's fun swatting cvs with full aa build. So I can't wait to get to halland.

Having played almost all of these DD's (minus the Regolo, Gearing, Delny and Yueyang), the Halland is definitely an S-Tier ship. There's nothing Halland doesn't do well. The torpedo reload, spread and speed put this on par with the Shimakaze in my opinion. Shimmy torps do more damage, but the ability to select a narrower spread on the Halland, combined with its super-fast torpedoes make it very strong against the current Island Camp/Sniping meta. In CB's, the high reload of the torpedoes makes Halland great in a variety of roles from supporting the main push to contesting a cap. The guns are underrated, imo. The high rate of fire can surprise a lot of DD's and can make a lot of non-dedicated gunboats turn out and look elsewhere, especially when combined with the heal. They are also solid for farming a BB or bigger CV. I'll often come out with 20-30k damage from guns in randoms, and I am not looking to shoot except at targets of opportunity (ie, from someone else's smoke, if I get caught by an enemy DD or from behind a hill). The AA is strong. You can definitely force CV's (minus Super Sky Cancer and the FDR) to go look somewhere else. If you are the uptier against a T8 CV, you can absolutely bully their planes. If you're pushing with a Des Moines, Mino, or the Dutch Cruiser then you create a very nice No-Fly Zone for your BB. Lastly, Depth Charges. Halland doesn't drop depth charges off the back like other ships. It shoots them out of the front. This gives you a bit more range when you're closing in on subs and allows you to wiggle your nose and spray depth charges. Does take a bit of getting used to, but imo is better once you get the hang of it. So yeah, long post is long. But the baseline is that Halland is an excellent DD. I'd make the argument that it's the best DD in the game simply for its incredible versatility and ability to do just about anything. DD's are about versatility and being able to support your team in as many ways as possible and no DD does that better than Halland. I'd also agree that Daring is a close #2 for most of the same reasons. Daring has better guns, but the AA is noticeably less good. Torps are, well, I guess it depends. The ability to snail-train or spread Daring torps is really nice, but Halland's torps are the best imo due to their speed and difficulty detecting them.

In WowsL, Delny is one of the strongest destroyers in the game. Definitely my favorite ship after Kleber

@treeherder42

Жыл бұрын

The one major advantage delny has over kleber is the armor belt, but damn can it be funny. Watched an Annapolis burst first a delny at point blank range once, every shell perfectly aimed dead center... For like 200 damage for the one shell that hit higher. Delny just waddled right up and got to cosplay as yolo emilio. Annapolis was raging about it until we softly mentioned the armor belt on delny/khaba. But that belt can actually be useful in the dd fight, especially if the dd doesn't use AP because in that case 0 damage is better than klebers improved saturation. Kleber is still better overall, but delny has a gimmick that can be hilarious in the right situation (bouncing yammy shells as one)

@dylanmitchell3978

Жыл бұрын

@@treeherder42 Delny has 10km torps so slightly longer range which can be helpful with all the radar around. Delny also has better sustained dpm I believe if the reload booster is on cooldown on the Kebler which IMO makes it a better open water damage farmer.

Potato Quality youd be surprised by how many people still fall for smoke hydro with Z-52. you have to remember majority of player base doesnt turn their monitor on when they play this game

Question is this ranking taking in best in slot equipment and commander skill or pure boat ?

Hey PQ, have you played the supership destroyer IJN Yamagiri yet?

Haven't gotten to a tier 10 DD, but from tier 8 and up i just love the Swedish DD's. The only thing that I really really hate is that they all seems to be named after territories that Sweden stole from my country. I legends i play a lot of the British DDs and if I ever should grind a DD line. That would be it. I even got Cossack as Captain trainer.

Wow nailed it, you must play DD's a lot more then Cruisers because you shit the bed on that one.haha. You have to grind the Harugumo line just for the Ak and the Kit but your right it is sluggish as hell but man it has those grate guns. Good job.

Overall I think this is a good list, but I think you underrate Elbing. It can get 5k salvoes against BBs EVERY 5 SECONDS. With consistency. It’s a DPM cruiser without a citadel.

The moment I see 2 blurred ships on top, I immediately think to myself Daring and Halland as they are basically Gearing and Shima on steroid and with heals. I could imagine Gearing and Shima being higher up if Daring and Halland didn't exist in the game simply because there wouldnt be any other tech tree ships with sub-6km-cap-contester-class concealment. p/s: damn i didn't expect shima to be that high up

@shoukatsukai

Жыл бұрын

best conceal + best torpedoes will always be relevant

I learned DD play (and really learned to play the game) going up the Japanese torpedo DD line. I'm so addicted to concealment now, it's hard for me to stray elsewhere. Boo, me.

Grozovoi is actually a S tier, because stealth, heal, Defensive AA, smoke, engine boost, really great guns with range and velocity and really good 12 km torpedos.

@derrickstorm6976

Жыл бұрын

Stealthy Grozovoi lmao

@arifhamim6957

Жыл бұрын

@@derrickstorm6976 bruh I've been playing the game for over 5 years have over 10k battles played with a 55% win rate in asia server, I think i know what I'm thinking about

@annatreja6060

Жыл бұрын

@@arifhamim6957 55% winrate isint good lmfao

@arifhamim6957

Жыл бұрын

@@annatreja6060 according to servey by WG it's better than 85% of players in asia server. And i know this game from the start and beta. I know what I'm talking about 🙄

@annatreja6060

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@@arifhamim6957 I'm in the nr 1 clan on na so no lmao doesn't matter how long you've played for it doesn't mean you're good I've seen players with 20k battles that are terrible

Taking an inspiration from Tierzoo, aren't we? With the tier graphic layout and so... :-)

@derrickstorm6976

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Yea after TZ this is the first ranking video on KZread

Could you do the series except with clan battles in mind? I’m sure the lineup would change.

You don't have to play Kleber full gun boat style. I play her as a mix with full conceal so she can become a F3* Shima on demand which is able to devstrike CL with AP, if they forget me. Maybe not your 1st DD, but for sure your 2nd or 3rd imo.

Marceu is my favorite. Top speed around 60 knots, and can shoot 4 waves of torpedos in a few seconds. It also do decent damage with main guns. With Marceu you can sink G Kurfurst, Pommern etc. in seconds with torpedos only. Jaeger is useless for main guns and is mainly a torpedo ship. For some reason it's torpedos does less damage than the ones Marceu have which doesn't make sense since Jaeger have "no main guns". In fact Jaeger can barely even hurt the weakest DD's with it's peanuts.

Thanks for your thoughts on T10 Tech Tree ships....disagreeing ever here and there. But should world pretty fine for those trying to decide which lines to grind. Just be aware that this list is not complete though. Like I would be wondering, where for example the Sherman would have ended up in the DD ranking, according to you. Just to name one of the many premium ships, which of course are missing in a tech tree ranking....

DDMain so just my personal list of my top 5 T10 dds: LU Shima, Tie with the LU Gearing and Daring, Holland, YuYang

Cheers

Where would you rate khabarovsk? Many of us have had it before it was removed :D

Good vid. Maybe because I like DDs above all other classes, many of these I thought should be higher than you, just diff opinion. The only major one is that, while their play-style/combat role is completely different. Kleber is S class (IMHO), way stronger that Shima, and though not as much, stronger than Groz., equal ofDaring and Halland, just different.

Yueyang has also Radar.

@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll

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Optional radar that you’re giving up smoke for, no?

@vasiliyt8600

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@@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll Yes? If you have enough experience with smokeless DDs (Kleber etc.) and you know how to take advance over enemy DDs (your opponent DD smokes up early when he sees you in the cap). Works also nice in division.

@shoukatsukai

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Good luck trying to contest a cap with it. Your gunpower has slipped + your torpedoes cant hit destroyers. Yueyang is best with another destroyer supporting it.

@vasiliyt8600

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@@shoukatsukai If you have enough experience with smokeless DDs (Kleber etc.) and you know how to take advance over enemy DDs (your opponent DD smokes up early when he sees you in the cap). Works also nice in division.

@shoukatsukai

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@@vasiliyt8600 Not a lot of DDs are that dumb to smoke immediately anymore, or they are a DD with no smoke (Kleber, Halland). Either way Yueyang cant hold a cap by themselves anymore.

I used to confuse Daring with Gearing aaaaaall the time... I still do, but now I think "Dare to win!" to know which is the right one... 😀

is it possible to have tier lists of the best T5 destroyers, the best T7 destroyers etc?

I still have a huge problem with Halland and CVs. It's not the damage, it's the spotting. If you have to contest a cap, if you're forced to it, enemy DD can smoke up and destroy you while the CV just spots you. Even for a short time. If it's a Daring in front of you, it's a massive pain in the ass even having great AA Same with subs and how they spot you without being able to do nothing but run and take damage on the while.

@Voygliz

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But then, having a Daring as enemy is usually a pain in the ass despite the DD you're on 😅

@basmca1

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I have the same problem. Halland does not like to be spotted and actually is D tier when it comes to cap contesting. Halland is best played as a flank ship where the enemy doesn't know where you are exactly and just keeps eating torps.

Well the Elbing is not played like a dd. Of course, if you're the only dd that kinda sucks, but you should still not play it like a dd and play like a CL. You're not the one who's spotting, you play on the flank or with smoke, and rack up a huge amount of AP damage, which is amazing given it can't really be healed. You can citadel certain BBs the AP is that good. Not to mention those torps are actually pretty good, they hit hard, have long range, they're pretty slow but fit your playstyle. Not to mention you have like idk, 18km range or something? You outrange many cruisers. It's really a great ship, I'd argue among the best CLs in the game, perhaps even better because you have no citadel.

lol i often carry games in elbing and regolo, cant agree to this list, especially with grozo and kleber up there.

Evidently I have good taste because the only two lines I’ve ground so far are both S-tier. Definitely agree with the placement

@DJVC1985

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If those are the only two you have, what exactly are you basing your agreement on?

@paddington1670

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@@DJVC1985 Evidently, PQ's opinion.

@jacksamson5968

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@@DJVC1985 the fact that I like playing them

@DJVC1985

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@@jacksamson5968 good for you, but that still leaves the question why your decision means you ha e good taste, if your decision was based on feelings it's not one of quality, merely of comfort.

@jacksamson5968

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@@DJVC1985 I was kidding. I just meant that it was funny I decided to get the two he liked the best

i'm new to the game, and I've got enough coal saved up to buy a tier V - VII destroyer. Which of the following is the best to have: Blyskawica Aigle Gallant Ashan Hill Thanks

Z-52's AP DPM actually ranks No. 5 out of all tier 10 DDs, tech tree and premium.

@matthiasdarrington3271

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When does AP dpm really matter though as a DD? If you can't kill an enemy DD in a gunfight first you're never going to be able to farm people with AP

Elbing: You can fit her to be basically a "Destroyer-Slava" just peppering peepz with AP and AE at up to over 18km... Or around 16 with higher dpm... Slava because Elbing has bonus accuracy, super fast shells and tiny shell drag = LAZZZZOOOOORZZZZ! ;-) PS: Yes, the torps are slow, BUT have massive range and decent reload... So as you kite away and around islands, you just keep dropping those into the path of your pursuers... I found most good players wont even shoot at me, never mind chase me at those ranges... My first game was 80.000 damage shooting nothing but AP, so ZERO fire damage in that number... I later found out it's even better if you start a perma-fire where applicable and also from 16km HE should be better, because the AP hits the deck too steep to pen anymore...

What I really don't like about Daring, is that it makes every other destroyer obsolete. Want to farm battleships? Daring got you covered. Contest caps? Daring. Torpedoes? Daring. Hunt DDs? Daring.

Estimated friend, could you make another video now focused on tier X destroyers that are obtained with other resources, such as steel, coal, etc.

Agree with most but i play Radar Yueyang (which you forgot to mention.. ) And when played right with radar is S tier imho but if played with smoke then yes B

Why the massive difference between Z and Daring? Z has boost so it can get to spots quicker, it has 6km hydro which can cover the entire cap (especially if you have an island) it also has fantastic AP, the HE damage is low, but it has 32mm pen, which lets it do consistent damage to most cruisers and a lot of bbs, which daring is limited to superstructre It's the best cap contesting DD. Z can also get down to 69s torp reload, they don't do much damage, but just like halland they reload very quickly. (though typically it will be higher because you build for guns) Daring does have better smokes, and a heal but it doesnt have the 6km hydro, it doesn't have the 32mm pen, and it ofcourse doesn't have speed boost. I really do not understand how you can put Halland and Daring in S tier.

@kaalen24

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Daring has a heal and British fast reloading smoke. So it almost always can pop a smoke and go dark allowing it to pick and choose when it wants to engage or disengage. Cv’s have a hard time farming a daring for this reason. It a daring angles against you, it will generally win in a gunfight unless it’s up against a dedicated gunboat such as Kleber or Kita. If a dd doesn’t give you broadside in your Z-44 you won’t trade well.

I think you have totally missed the boat on the Italian DD ands I am grateful for that because Italian DDs do not get played much and I find that to be beneficial as most players do not know how to deal with them. I am a markedly average player but have winning records in all Italian DDs. I have ground the line twice and think that there are no other DDs that are as fun to play. They are not high scorers but are ships that help your team win. The torps are not powerful but with a buff to the speed have great range and low detection rates. The guns can slap both CAs and DDs. Smoke generators are "very" powerful if you learn to use them properly. They can get you out of trouble and are great offensive weapons as well. Go for range on tier VIII and up but do not take range on lower tiers as they can disengage and go dark very fast. You don't use it all the time but the YOLO is there for you when the opportunity presents itself. A. Regolo has no business being at the bottom of this list.

Another problem with the Gearing and the Harugumo is that they're just so much worse than their tier 9 counterparts. Fletcher may not have great guns, but she's one of the best torpedo boats in the game because of the sheer volume of fish you can put in the water with her reload. And Kitakaze is... just the best at everything.

IMO the only thing holding the Regolo back is the lack of speed on the torps

Z-52 is insane if played as torpedo boat. Twin salvo of torps with sub-minute reload and great torps invis feels just unfair... Yes, your torps are weaker, but you can launch them twice as fast in combat to RNG, and unlike pan-asians, you can do it without any consumables to worry about.

I love the gearing. It’s my go to clan battles DD.

I have grind to Shima and Halland. Currently I'm grind US-dd line may ad british at the same time. I have notice it's better grind up in tier slowly and do some other lines at the same time. I feel that you learn to play the game better that way.

"Halland has good enough AA that a CV won't want to come after you... " Baaaahahahahahahaah!

Potato, some of these T10 dds are really frigates and should be played that way.

Im playing the game for around a year and grinded out 2 dd lines so far, daring and shima. Winrate on jervis, lighting and jutland is good for a new player i think (54-60) but for some reason on daring im stuck at 48-50. I havent played that many games in daring so maybe i just got unlucky with games but idk. Shima line feels a bit weak to be fair. Akatsuki has dogshit coneal, kagero and yogumo have terrible torp reload and speed. I was able to get good winrate on kagero but yogumo barely felt like an improvment. I played very few games in shima so i cant really say much. As far as premium dds, i really suck at gronningen and sherman. For some reason i cant get good balance between sitting in smoke and farming and helping the team. Quite often im the one spotting the whole enemy team so all i can do is open water gunboating which usually doesnt end that well. I have a few great games, but i do feel like im very inconsistant wtih those ships. If theres a cv to spot or other dds, i can do well, if im the only dd at the flank, it usually sucks.

@derrickstorm6976

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You're definitely getting lucky if you get consistent wins in Jervis

@NoName-wi8xz

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@@derrickstorm6976 its possible, i havent played huge amount of games in it, just enough to get t8.

I play the YY as a radar with legmod meaning rate of fire is improved. My victims are usually dds in smoke so when I see dds like Halland, Kleber I have a problem. The longer I can survive the better in the hope of picking them off. For me your ratings are a bit off but appreciate this is only your opinion.

Z-52, underrated as always. Good list, otherwise.

Kleber is just awesome... The throttle play is just nasty... I think Kleber should be an S tier rank, it always gets banned from clan wars..

I think Regolo and Elbing are kinda underrated. They might not be the best destroyers to spot with, but certainly have some very unique (and strong) playstyles.

Attilio Regolo is a good ship. I will die on this hill. The SAP DPM is 20% higher than freaking Venezia's. The short range is annoying, but you can press the smoke key to turn invisible for 40 seconds, give me a break. It really takes names in ranked.

I started watching and I was like 'the Daring better be S tier'. Yup.