Correction. It's a 115mm 3BM6. The 125mm 3BM9 is the scaled-up version of this projectile

@user-yc1xe1pd1f

2 жыл бұрын

I DIDN’T EXPECT THAT. It barely penetrated the tiger.

@nilihcrevo9820

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-yc1xe1pd1f in my opinion it didn't barely penetrated it, it completely penetrated the armor but no heavy after damage, if the round didn't hit the sloped part of the armor i think it will go through the armor

@user-yc1xe1pd1f

2 жыл бұрын

@@nilihcrevo9820 of course it would. But I didn’t expect it to be depleted so fast that almost nothing except pieces of Armor entered the hull

@andriuxako5157

2 жыл бұрын

So... This mean the ammo cant pen the tiger P?

@OZAI59

2 жыл бұрын

@@nilihcrevo9820 Does the shooting distance affect the penetration, so how many meters or kilometers is the shooting distance in this video?

Honestly, this shows just how devastating speed is, the round was effectively broken up but still had enough energy to rip through 102mm of steel

@schullerandreas556

2 жыл бұрын

well. Speed increases energy quadratically while mass just increases it linearly. Though mass is required to keep momentum

@honk5468

2 жыл бұрын

its only 100 mm, the other 2 are zimmerit

@jsplicer9

2 жыл бұрын

E=1/2mv^2 Increasing mass still provides more energy but raising velocity exponentially increases penetration of a projectile

@ariq4209

2 жыл бұрын

@@schullerandreas556 I think it’s not really about kinetic energy, as an APHE (which obviously has way less penetration) fired from the same gun would have the same kinetic energy as an APFSDS. Why, because the kinetic energy comes from the propellant’s explosive energy; and the propellant stays the same. Given the same gun and propellant, which means same kinetic energy, a lighter, faster round penetrates better than a heavier, slower round

@schullerandreas556

2 жыл бұрын

@@ariq4209 at "short" distances that is true. At long distances the heavier round retains more of its energy. Thats why APDSFS penetrators have become longer and longer. To add more mass. To get more penetration and maintain it at long ranges. Thy could have added more or betzer propellant and they do, but a gun breach can only resist a certain amount of pressure. Also its not as simple as euating the enegy of the propellant. A lot is lost in the form of heat. But lets say we neglect that. Next would be distribution of the force on the surface of impact. The same energy on a smaller surface makes penetration easier. Thats why APDSFS are better than APCR shells even though the velocities are comparable. One just ditches the sabot while the other one travels with its soft shell around the penetrator till the surface of the target. One is sub calibre when hitting the target (50-60mm Diameter) while the other is full calibre(100-125mm) distributing the force on a larger area.

Comments : more HEAT simulations!! Dejmian's computer : *tired sobbing*

Do you have a Discord, Email, or another contact method? I enjoy your simulations and wanted to talk to you about a potential collaboration video. Let me know if you're interested.

@aPreciousPiggy

2 жыл бұрын

*HEAVY BREATHING*

@intelligenceagent6925

2 жыл бұрын

The collab we never knew we needed.

@_vla

2 жыл бұрын

*maus shell vs vanatorul de care armor*

@drifterjack1937

2 жыл бұрын

**HISTORICAL ACCURACY INTENSIFIES**

@hanssmidt12

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds interesting i like both channels

Wow, didnt expect that it went through after the 62mms slope

@VeganerHippie

2 жыл бұрын

It did not exactly went through, but it created spalling that could still wound the Driver. However it it hit the 102mm Plate instead of the heavily sloped Plate first, it would have gone through like a Warm Knife through Butter.

@pirig-gal

2 жыл бұрын

@@VeganerHippie I see a hole forming in the final seconds of the simulation. Are you telling me the driver survives that? No way. It may not go further in, into the fighting compartment, but the driver should be dead or dying.

@VeganerHippie

2 жыл бұрын

@@pirig-gal According to the simulation that big chunk of spall moves at around 200m/s and if it hits the driver hes probably dead, youre right. If only the tiny spalling hits him its still gruesome, but i dont think it guarantees death.

@pirig-gal

2 жыл бұрын

@@VeganerHippie Suppose so. This was pretty much the perfect case for the Tiger. And its still did this much.

@Boomchacle

2 жыл бұрын

@@VeganerHippie Considering a plug of armor was moved from it's original spot into the vehicle, I'd say the round went through the tank more than just some spalling.

It definitley survived better than i expected considering it's a very powerful round the tiger had to face , but there is just no way a world war 2 tank can stop such a round. When the t-62 fired into the maus turret im pretty sure that apfsds model was obsolete but looking at this keeps reminding me how lethal modern apfsds is... it literally went through 100mm of steel even after being slowed down, just insane.

@kobeh6185

2 жыл бұрын

This is not modern APFSDS, this is actually one of if not the oldest APFSDS rounds. Its only made of steel, and the rod is quite short. Compared to modern long tungsten or depleted uranium rods, this round is actually quite poor. Despite that, it could kill any western tank in the world at over 1km (2+ in most cases) when it was introduced in the early 1960s. In fact despite being steel it was similarly effective to 105mm tungsten APDS that was newly in service at the time in the west.

@jimbothegymbro7086

2 жыл бұрын

@@kobeh6185 wasn't it's effective flat penetration in the range of 300mm?

@kobeh6185

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbothegymbro7086 depends on the distance. Supposedly steel APFSDS projectiles were capable of over 230mm of penetration at 2000 meters, which according to a lot of penetration tables (table to table vary) is fairly similar or better to tungsten APDS projectiles fired by variants of the 105mm L7.

@Ciao209

2 жыл бұрын

@@kobeh6185 i forgot to read the title lol

Well, you have to remember that was the first APFSDS shell and it is a steel penetrator. And it still went in after ricocheting.

@Phantom-bh5ru

2 жыл бұрын

You have to realize that the tiger has a thin ass front plate

@BeKindToBirds

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phantom-bh5ru It does not at all, it simply was not designed for defense against these kinds of weapons. Homogeneous armour is very poor against kinetic rounds

@ColorHawk_

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phantom-bh5ru Tigers front plate is 102mm RHA. Which was actually thick for its time.

@LordOfChaos.x

2 жыл бұрын

@@BeKindToBirds AP rounds count as kinetic rounds dont they?

@BeKindToBirds

2 жыл бұрын

@@LordOfChaos.x I suppose they are a type of kinetic round but they are very distinct and different from modern kinetic penetrator darts. A direct evolution in a way though, always trying to get more velocity out of AP rounds lead to rounds that require a sabot they are so small and narrow

M-60 Main Gun vs King Tiger Armor

Very cool! I would like to see a HEAT-FS simulation on angled armor but I couldn't find any, is it hard to make?

@dejmianxyzsimulations4174

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@kajetus0688

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@juusolatva

2 жыл бұрын

it takes forever to simulate, but I guess you can always rent a supercomputer.

@MetallGecko1

2 жыл бұрын

@@juusolatva or steal...

@juusolatva

2 жыл бұрын

@@MetallGecko1 that's highly illegal

88 mm KwK 43 vs M-60 Armor

Tiger II 8.8cm VS T-54 upper front glacis

88 mm KwK 36 vs T44 Armor

I actually expected the Tiger 1 to do much worse than that 😂 This is a round designed to defeat much more modern (and tougher) tanks. So the fact that it almost completely shattered before it hit the front 90 degree panel is actually quite impressive to me.

Very interesting! However it begs the question, could you do an over-penetration test? Something practical like a modern tank vs a ww2 tank, or perhaps something more ludicrous like a yamato shell vs a stuart

@humzaakhtar9208

2 жыл бұрын

Thought you were talking about the IS8 with the yamato but damn that Stuart, that's insane

@JuanMota780

2 жыл бұрын

I like so he can do this and read this comment

@williewilson2250

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think you can over pen a Stuart with a shell that can't even fit inside the tank

@Sebb-hc1il

2 жыл бұрын

Dude the Stuart would bounce the shell with no spawling

@elongated_musket6353

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sebb-hc1il Not even a scratch, it's armor is way too thick for the Yamato to pen

Your videos are always great! But how do you turn off the deleted elements in the cross-section view? I've followed your tutorial videos but my simulations always look weird with the cross-section active because all the elements damaged/eroded are gone.

I love these simulations! always wondered what are your pc specs

@dejmianxyzsimulations4174

2 жыл бұрын

I7-10850 32GB RAM

@kolikoasdpvp

2 жыл бұрын

@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Nice, thank you!

I wanna see a sturmtiger simulation. It had insane frontal armour. Also I’d like to see how the sturmtiger projectile would obliterate various types of armour.

Centurion Mk 1 UFP Vs Panther 75mm

I've been wondering if the viewers could fund you a beastly threadripper build? You've earned it...

Honestly, I'm surprised that the 62mm front plate held up so well.

@jimbothegymbro7086

2 жыл бұрын

it's the angle that did it sabot rounds are too hard so handle uneven impacts without shattering, that's why some standard rounds have caps and ballistic caps

@tonedeaftachankagaming457

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbothegymbro7086 This is also an early steel penetrator, which if I’m not mistaken are much more likely to shatter than modern materials

@jimbothegymbro7086

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonedeaftachankagaming457 you're correct you get less bang for your buck in terms of weight and size with steel penetrators than the more modern tungsten carbide and depleted uranium rounds of the same calibre

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbothegymbro7086 WC would be a worse material to make rod out of than just steel. It likely would snap in the barrel if you launch it at AP projectile speed. The reason this specific rod does badly against angle is not because it is too hard. It is simply because the geometry of the projectile. You can make steel rod in a similar dimension like the modern rod, and they would perform better than the older fat short steel rod of the same weight. Of course W alloy and DU alloy would still perform better with a similar geometry due to better mechanical property all around when compare to steel.

It would be awsome to see something like a small gun bullet against an infantry helment or even those WWI plate armor

@25nguyentrangiaphu58

2 жыл бұрын

Your answer: the 9mm (small enough for pistol bullet) couldn't penetrate infantry helmet & ww1 tank plate. But the helmet can be if you close enough, but the tank you must have some more bullet bigger and stronger than 9mm bullet

I was expecting a hard no but the Tiger did better than expected even though it still got penetrated. I imagine most of what got through would be hot gasses and a spray of small fragments, but the penetrator itself was gone.

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

Last frame shows a slug of about 30mm in diameter about 100m/s.

Great simulation

Nice wideos i watching when im in work (ofc when i has break) , pls add cool songs if you possibly can. Thanks

Your thumbnail was excellently made. I suggest you insert pictures like those into these videos in the future. The less educated will get a better picture of the situation. Of course it might be hard to make pictures like the one you made.

i somewhat knew the rod would break before going trough remembering that APFSDS is not good at extreme angles but didnt think the broken pieces would cause such damage

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

Modern rod are great at dealing with angle.

@yoboikamil525

2 жыл бұрын

It's going really really fast, it'd probably still destroy the front plate

@jimbothegymbro7086

2 жыл бұрын

@@jintsuubest9331 this one is an older sabot since it's made of hardened steel and not Tungsten carbide or Depleted Uranium, that's probably why it shattered

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbothegymbro7086 I says nothing about this specific sim. I was referring to op blanket statement of rod not doing great against angle.

Hola Dejmian mucho gusto , quisiera saber ... Dónde conseguiste la imagen de perfil que tienes , es sobre los tanque (E) ¿Cierto?

I wonder if adding using diamond like composting armor (soft and hardened mix in the steel at various angles) to move projectile into different angles would work

You gotta give some props to the big cat, it's plate held up pretty decently after being hit by a projectile traveling at that speed

How about doing a test of a musket ball against a Hoplon (Hoplite's shield), or a medieval shield.

It would be really interesting to show NLAW against T-72, RPG against BMP's, Javelin against whatever tanks the Russians have, in this war etc.

@dejmianxyzsimulations4174

2 жыл бұрын

I'm trying Javelin, but it's extremely troublesome

@nickzourb190

2 жыл бұрын

@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Nice. Can't wait for simulations like these, because I watch the Russian - Ukraine war with great interest since day one.

@Mathiasosx1

2 жыл бұрын

@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Large Size, tandem warhead and possible ERA plus a number of other issues I'm not aware of I imagine.

@TwixSvK

2 жыл бұрын

@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Would be cool to see if combination of roof cage and era can stop javelin

@AKAtheA

2 жыл бұрын

@@TwixSvK roof cage is pointless against Javelin unless there is some stupidly large distance between it and the main armor, like 2-3m. (also it's coming down at quite an angle, so the cage would have to extend quite a bit over the sides) It works on RPGs because it prevents the contact igniter from working correctly, a Javelin will detonate the way it's supposed to regardless of what it crashes into. A high-enough vertical cage would counter the NLAW though.

Man id love to learm how you do this.

Really interessing, that also show that, to get back to the apfsds vs M1 abrams s ufp, the non penetrating remains might have been able to do some bad things to the turret ring.

@peasant8246

2 жыл бұрын

The fragments of the dart are deflected away at about 10°, relative to the surface of the plate, with enough distance between the plate and the turret ring they will fly high enough to not be a threat to the turret ring.

@gamecubekingdevon3

2 жыл бұрын

@@peasant8246 hiwever the abrams s ufp has beetween similar to more slope if I remember, so, deflection might go less upward

@peasant8246

2 жыл бұрын

@@gamecubekingdevon3 True. I'm still hopeful the designers have accounted for this.

@gamecubekingdevon3

2 жыл бұрын

@@peasant8246 well, abrams entered service in 79, suggesting rhe ReD was in rhe 70s (and we also know that, like his german counterpart, the léopard 2, he used some of the lessons learned with mbt70 ) so, would be interesisng to know if at that time, the US knew about soviet APFSDS s incidence against higly sloped rha. Anyway, this kind of thing is why o think that designing frontal glacis with the same pattern as soviet MBT would have been a better idea (as the driver port +the lfp are weakspots, but they are small enough that hitting them reliably would only be realistic in the context of a video game)

Impressive

You should see what would happen if someone used Lead as armor. How much would you need? how small of a cannon could make it through?

That spalling would do a number on the crew

Do you have a site on Google to do these simulations?

Can you do a Ap mk1 rocket vs a tiger and or a Tiny Tim rocket vs a MAUS or t95 vs Maus

T-62 x Tiger 2

Uuuh a bad day for the Tank Crew! (not to mention that the war time production and the leck of alloys would have had a even bigger effect, but even in a perfect condition it wouldn't have been a good day)

Gaijin:Right, That hit.

So I take it that you have set up the most inoptimal circumstances for the porjectile to hit the Tiger?

idea: can you try leopard 2A6 turret vs. 14 inch gun please?

As an is2 user i can say that This is totally true

Firing on that point that's basically skill issue.

Suggestion try to find lowest angle that a railgun round will penetrate

This simulation shows two things, 1. is how much angling affects the preformance of rounds, 62mm of armor is usually in inadequate against most rounds aside from 20-30mm conventional rounds, but by sloping heavily the armor, the effective thickness is increased dramatically,with the ability to bounce the round and number 2. how speed is a very big factor, even after bouncing and the round smashed to bits, it still managed to make it through, the driver would not have a fun day being showered in metal shot pellets still going several hundred m/s

Could we see the same target against a later apfsds shell to see if it could pierce the angled plate?

@Charon-5582

2 жыл бұрын

Probably would yea...

Could you simulate 40mm HEDP grenade vs BMP or BTR I wonder how much damage does it actually cause or maybe NLAW in direct fire mode.

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

He tried scj, and computation time goes brrrr.

Point blank range? What about at combat ranges?

Interested to see can 13,2mm TuF penetrate Mark V at 200 meters?

Too OP

Tiger should have wiggled more, if it hit the front from a slight side angle...it MIGHT have had a chance of not being penned, LoL! Cool vid.

how it looks like a simulation of T 72 against Abrams. There, the projectile also bounces into the turret

The arrow hit in the smallest area possible in the front hemisphere. Even thought, it penetrated the tank.

Nice

HOLY SHIT THAT IS SO MUCH SPALLING!! The fucking apfsdst basically turned into gigantic birdshot times 200 all inside a steel box

Could we get an overmatch simulation? Something like a Marder/BMP hull (thin but sloped) comes to mind

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

In ballistic, that's not what overmatch means. Also, he did many sim with large caliber projectile against highly angled thin armor.

@buscadiamantes1232

2 жыл бұрын

@@jintsuubest9331 oh, I just went for the "more popular" meaning of overmatch lol. Gonna have to search a bit more for these videos then, I thought there weren't any! Thx

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

@@buscadiamantes1232 His backlog of vid is like 1min each. Just sit down with a coffee or something and you can probably finish everything in like 30min.

That's what i call "brute force"! 🤯🤯🤯

In war thunder it just went right through the whole tank like it was nothing

I feel like if it hit lower on the sloped plate it would have had a better chance of stopping it, since the rod would have more time to break up and separate

After ricocheting it still breaks through the 102mm plate?

Or if you shoot the driver port it stops it completely

I feel like I both won and lost that bet.

Ofc , if it did not stop antitank rounds around 44, it don't stop a t62 round. And it even is not a direct impact on the frontal steel plate.

Moral of the story Don’t bring a tiger-1 to a cold war era tank battle

can we do and angled tiger with apfsds APM ?

Какое-то фантастическое видео

T-54 VS King Tiger upper front plate? Both tanks aren't TOO far apart in their conception.

@AFT_05G

Жыл бұрын

It would’t do anything.100mm D-10T isn’t powerful enough.In fact there is almost zero tanks with AP rounds from 1940s that can penetrate Tiger II’s UFP.

Now test APFSDS against Tiger driver port

Ammo litreally bounced off from armor not penetrating it but after it bounced ammo penetrated it

So basically, all tank devs of 1940s had to do was to make UFP this sloped and the tank would be indestructable

Well it's driver's vision port can take that round on point blank range

what if the tiger was angling? and I mean turned to a 45 degree angle

that was not expected.

So the extreme slope acts as a 'projectile guide plate' for the poorly sloped upper plate!

The Panzer 3's L42 & L60 against a T34 please!

I dont know if youve done it already, but can you do the 25mm AP round the mk262 shoots against a T-55?

what program is it tell me and teach me how to enter it

Автор, а можно провести симуляцию обстрела лба корпуса танка ИС-3 из пушки L-7? (Хотелось бы проверить этот случай из арабо-израильских войн)?

@Mr_Zloben

2 жыл бұрын

пробьет. Если не заметил, он так подбирает условия, что почти всегда советская техника будет пробита. И почти всегда советские снаряды не работают против западной.

How to make a driver's vision port 0:10

BR-471 vs panther turret ?

This is why the 38mm armor on an Abrams upper glacis is enough to shatter a APDS dart.

it still went through after hitting at such bad angle, if it hit the upper part directly it would've cut through like butter

That sheared off bit on the incide decindegrated before the drivers eyes, bust be horrible

@skussy69

2 жыл бұрын

Just so you know, you got "c"mixed up with "s". Should be "diSintegrated" and "inSide". Good luck bruv 👍

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

Also, horrible should be horrifying in this case.

M26 vs 75mm panther

Warthunder be like: The shell hasn't done any damage!

M103 solidshot vs is4 hull? 🤩

I'd love to see what a DM63 would do

@jintsuubest9331

2 жыл бұрын

Slice right throught. Doesn't matter which one.

Would the shell rly break into powder tho

Im certai that if it hits the 102mm 90° angled plate it could have went through i mean the round was gone but yet it was still capable of making a hole in the armor

This is expected when u are a tier 7 and get shot by a tier 10 tank

I TOUGHT IN THE DRIVER PORT CUZ ITS VIRTUALLY INDESTRUCTABLE ADDING a piece of armour 2x and the 102mm so tiny that it needs to penetrate i dunno 300-400mm??

всё делаем БР Tiger1 - 8.3 🤣 PS: where is driver triplex?

If the Tiger was in the kampfposition (angled 30 degrees in either direction), it might have just managed to stop it. Still impressive that a broken shell could punch through the armour.

Im wondering if you can simulate mortar rounld hits tank roof?

@korbetthein3072

2 жыл бұрын

He COULD, but it potentially could take hundreds of hours.

Next vs king tiger front armor

I feel like if that was depleted uranium is would go through it like butter

in war thunder this would’ve bounced off the ufp, off the mantlet, off off the barrel, then directly into my tank

@itsalmostfun8567

2 жыл бұрын

YEAA GOT GAIJINED

However if that APFSDS were Depleted Uranium, it will go straight through the steel like a hot knife through butter even at that angle