abrams vs tiger is like bringing a shotgun to a fist fight

@bentrod3405

Жыл бұрын

More like bringing a rifle and body armor to a shotgun fight.

@alexvisser5913

Жыл бұрын

The tiger catches the shot and trows it back xd

@imamonke309

Жыл бұрын

@@bentrod3405 more like bringing a machine gun and a juggernaut armor to a fist fight

@bentrod3405

Жыл бұрын

@@imamonke309 nah, because the tigers can still do plenty of damage if you expose yourself or let them get too close like a shotgun

@DDA388

Жыл бұрын

or like tiger vs sherman

You guys should do some sort of Desert Storm scenario with an Abrams vs a few T-55s, T-62s, and one T-72A

@kaiozanette7787

Жыл бұрын

The Abraham’s would be annihilated not because it’s a bad tank but because having a GPS in your tank makes it god tier compared to those that don’t

@rtfbrtg8079

Жыл бұрын

*Abrams

@justarandomtechpriest1578

Жыл бұрын

@@kaiozanette7787 it It has gps the Russian ones don't

@kaiozanette7787

Жыл бұрын

Every tank in war thunder has gps

@CyberneticArgumentCreator

Жыл бұрын

@@justarandomtechpriest1578 He's talking about seeing teammates and struck enemies on a minimap.

its a shame a lot of people dont do these sort of custom game scenarios. would really appreciate and watch more of these

@VunderGuy

Жыл бұрын

Same.

@catt0215

Жыл бұрын

Luckily these videos get tons of views, so at some point someone’s gonna start “taking inspiration”

@-Ryan_Gasoline-

Жыл бұрын

Speaking of which, how do I even do these types of matches?

@rivvie

Жыл бұрын

I think it's mostly because not many people can just call in a bunch of people to participate in custom matches like these

@obsidianjane4413

Жыл бұрын

There are usually a couple dozen custom games running at anyone time and it often looks like its organized, like a dozen ppl from the same squadron etc. I often do custom games with my son when we just want to mess around playing hide n' seek or scout new maps. Just because you aren't aware of an event or club having private games doesn't mean they aren't there.

It's funny that they call it "cowardly" to sit back and pop over the hill. That's literally what the Abrams was designed for lol

Considering the Abrams can far outrange the Tiger, don't think it'd even be that close. I remember a guy who was in Desert Storm talking about how they were watching shells from the T-62/T-72s facing them falling short and then firing back with plenty of range and killing the Iraqi tanks.

@Zandonus

Жыл бұрын

Fin stabilization. Only thing missing on tank shells nowadays is a gps and a rocket engine.

@DesiArcy

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that these are video game tanks which differ greatly from the real thing. In real life, the Tigers would have to stop dead still in order to fire their guns with any accuracy while the Abrams has the enormous advantage of being able to fire on the move.

@ivanlazarevic78

Жыл бұрын

@@Zandonus you mean missing on western tanks? 😁

@crazyirishmedic9535

Жыл бұрын

@@Zandonus The Russians added rockets to their tank shells just to try and match the M1s range 🤣

@crazyirishmedic9535

Жыл бұрын

But don't make those Russian tanks mad... they will blow their top 🤣🤣🤣

Tiger 1: Bullies Shermans Abrams: Hold my beer (Time travels)

how unrealistic that an Abrams could even dream of penetrating the glorious Krupstahl that is the tiger tank. and there is no way that a tiger tank cannot penetrate the Abrams turret at any range up to 5000 meters, totally unrealistic. Edit: this is probably my most liked comment yet lol.

@theuselessteammate2097

Жыл бұрын

Joke I hope?

@degman6981

Жыл бұрын

@@theuselessteammate2097 Very real bro

@gamingwolf6735

Жыл бұрын

@@theuselessteammate2097 bro it is obviously not a joke

@subjectc7505

Жыл бұрын

You know it's a video game.

@thejp8152

Жыл бұрын

@@theuselessteammate2097 no, i firmly believe that the tiger tank should just absorb the puny Capitalist Sabot that only has 600mm of penetration without any consequences. 😁 and as for the tiger tank penetrating the Abrams, it doesnt matter that the only Abrams tank lost was to friendly fire (i think, idk please correct me if im wrong) the ww2 88mm cannon should be more than enough to penetrate 300mm of sloped depleted Uranium.

I've said it before and I'll say it again these challenge videos are ABSOLUTE BANGERS!! we all appreciate the hard work that goes into all this. Thank you for the great content!

WT is fun as hell but the damage mechanics are often ludicrous and in no way match what out-of-game Protection Analysis, or just basic reasoning, tells you; the 120mm throwing APFSDS should have no problem causing enough spalling that any cabin hit would knock out pretty much any tank, buuuut in-game things will just absorb and ricochet those massive, incredibly fast, incredibly dense darts. I mean this is a game where the BMP-1 will bounce or soak APFSDS from the front and where SPAA HE spam will ammorack just about anything.

@ryry187

Жыл бұрын

I was surprised the game lets him repair a destroyed barrel in the last battle. so what they just bring a spare with them and do hours worth of repair work in less than a minute.

@shaneebahera8566

Жыл бұрын

@@ryry187 its a game not real so they allow repairs in reality abrams would use it superior mobility to run away if the gun is damaged

The abrams would simply retreat out of reasonable range for the tiger and pick them off one by one, the speed and range advantage would allow the abrams to choose the battlefield

Correction for myself: Tigers don't get smoke shells! Also HEATFS may have actually worked better against the Tigers!

@johncee853

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too..the heat rounds. Especially when they got close!

@thek.g.b301

Жыл бұрын

Do the tigers even get access to smoke shells?

@OldDeadMan

Жыл бұрын

@@thek.g.b301 you are correct, they don't! Misremembered, so edited to correct myself!

@reentrysfs6317

Жыл бұрын

@@OldDeadMan huh I remember seeing a tiger pop a smoke shell

@OldDeadMan

Жыл бұрын

@@reentrysfs6317 Smoke grenades, yes. Smoke shells, no. There are none in the tech tree vehicles unless I totally blew it when I looked earlier! 🤣

18:05 superior german machigun port working 100%

@itsalmostfun8567

Жыл бұрын

LEL

@itsalmostfun8567

Жыл бұрын

VERY SSUUPPEERRIIOOUURR ARMOE

@bickboose9364

Жыл бұрын

You can fire DM53 at that baby and it wouldn't leave a scratch 😎

Frankly, I think the Abrams are hard nerfed for this fight from the loss of hunter-killer ability alone. The ability of the commander to find, designate, and range targets independently of the gunner engaging them is a huge advantage over the tigers.

@hillbillyintheasia6122

Жыл бұрын

abrams use illegal DU rows . American go to jail used DU .

@tombaily29

6 ай бұрын

They're hard nerfed bc it's a video game. Tiger tanks couldn't even aim fast enough to keep up with Abrams tank movements irl.

@Tookie400

5 ай бұрын

@@tombaily29Even if they would move the hull at the same time?

I still can't believe how much this channel is growing well done Muffin!

Man this event was awsome lmao, can't believe I didn't die from the first 2 shots from the abrams during that first round (I was the only H1 during that match lol)

I’m just imagining the skill of the tank crew in a real scenario, like how good their coordination has to be to pull of movement and shots like these.

This is a great video. Can you try A-10 with unguided weapons vs WW2 SPAA? This would be cool.

@efethecaptain6

Жыл бұрын

I'm up for the challenge in an Ostwind 2, but map choice changes everything.

@riccardovecchi3592

Жыл бұрын

@@efethecaptain6 time to put in use that KugelBlitz

@carstenrenekjrulff6272

Жыл бұрын

Kugel and Corelian eats A-10 for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

@riccardovecchi3592

Жыл бұрын

@@carstenrenekjrulff6272 well yes if it's gonna use only MG

@JustAnotherRandomPersonOnline

Жыл бұрын

How about that rank one British that is like 1.0 with only (4) LMG(s) SPAA?

Also, abrams can travel fast and hit all targets accurately and the tigers usually have to stop to accurately fire.

congrats Odd, when I heard you were going to be the abrams i knew you would win. You also showed that working together can also help alot. good job

I feel like this should be done on multiple maps, one of them being that long range desert map

@ThunderWithMuffin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that would be a good one

@obsidianjane4413

Жыл бұрын

That would have been even more unfair.

@lonewolf_driver

Жыл бұрын

@@obsidianjane4413 true

@NWA744

Жыл бұрын

As if 73 Easting wasn't lopsided enough for a tank battle.

It would be way better with direct footage of the Abrams instead of the in-game replay

@ThunderWithMuffin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree and thanks for the feedback

This is like Deadliest Warrior but with tanks, but could you imagine Ww2 if the US had Abrams, the Germans would probably be in absolute panic when they realized they lost their tiger from a shot that came from 3000 meters away and have no clue what it was. And when they see an Abrams and it's armor and manoeuvrability they realized they've been out engineered.

@zahylon5993

Жыл бұрын

the modern Main Battle Tanks are the dream of WW2 Tankers. Mobile like Light Tanks, Armored and Punching as a Heavy Tank, and only need as much crew as a Medium Tank.

@dagemdrof1043

Жыл бұрын

You can also see that the other way around : if amrica had faced the Leopard 2A during ww2

@Zandonus

Жыл бұрын

@@dagemdrof1043 Well, there's still mobility kills in real life. It doesn't take 20 seconds to change a track. Once that's done, you point every artillery gun in the province at the unlucky bastards and watch the fireworks.

@huntclanhunt9697

Жыл бұрын

@@dagemdrof1043 our air power still would have thrashed them.

@timfarrow1545

Жыл бұрын

@@huntclanhunt9697 yeah sure the american air force with hellcats corsairs and mustangs against 109s 110s 190s....sure buddy. The only thing that stopped the germans was the germans themselves and hitlers own complacency trying to fight 3 fronts at once but hey dont let actual facts get in the way right 😝

As someone who commanded one of these, the only thing the Tigers could do is a mobility kill to the powerpack from behind, as the M1 has no armor from behind, the powerpack is the armor from behind. Also, any of the kinetic energy penatrators, would sprall kill the crew of the tiger, so over pen is not a factor. The 88mm on the Tiger even with the apcr ammo type does not have the ability to penetrate the M-1's armor from any angle, you might as well be throwing rocks at the M-1. You might get a lucky hit to either or both of the gunners or commanders sights, , or even knock off a track, but you can't actually kill the M-1 with a Tiger.

I think an interesting test would be one Abrams vs 7-10 Tigers, but have the Abrams hunt the tigers which are in defensive positions.

@somenorwegiankid7587

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this video kinda forgets that defenders have an easier time defeating their enemies.

@Bpwebber

Жыл бұрын

@@somenorwegiankid7587 Yep and he clearly cherry picked his spot on the map. Make it a level battlefield and I bet the results are different

@somenorwegiankid7587

Жыл бұрын

@@Bpwebber Yeah they probably would be.

@juliuscaesar564

3 ай бұрын

​@@Bpwebber the results would be different, tiger fanboy. I dont care how many tigers you put up. Irl the abrams would be too fast, too capable and would smoke the tigers 3 kilometres away before they could swing their turrets to see who hit them. Yeah i know this a game where some semblance of realism is there, but it wouldnt be that close if the abrams really tried

@Amiruny

3 ай бұрын

​@@juliuscaesar564well well well...an Abrams fanboy is here too!

Oddbawz is an exceptional player. I loved this video.

I was looking at the way Odd was using the Abrams and noticed he was using the Abrams exactly how it is used IRL in open fields

@packosand3287

Жыл бұрын

hull down?

Great to see another one! Love these.

Honestly for the abrams to be taken out, the Tigers would have to gang up on it and the Abrams be low on ammunition. But the Sabot round that an Abrams fires is more than enough to go through a Tiger’s armor.

@SvenTviking

Жыл бұрын

It goes roughly 2,500 ft per second faster than the 88mm in the Tiger.

@brandonlevy8680

Жыл бұрын

@@SvenTviking also its depleted uranium going through steel armor. The Tigers are firing steel AP rounds at composite armor.

@hillbillyintheasia6122

Жыл бұрын

abrams use illegal DU rows . American go to jail used DU .

I think the Abrams vs some T34-85’s would be interesting as a few countries still used them after the Abrams was introduced irl

I’m just starting the video but the answer is about 40, because that’s about the number of rounds the m1 can carry, and that’s only if it has time to stop in a jibe because it would have to manually reload the ammo rack from the rack behind the tc.

When deciding how to best fight this battle, the Abrams commander should of course maximize the strengths of his tank over the opponent. The Abrams has superior firepower and mobility, and while the M1 frontal arc is impervious to the Tiger, nevertheless the Tigers firepower has to be respected as flank hits could penetrate and any hit could be a mobility kill. As fought, the Abrams commanders acted stupidly. Going up into a hull down, firing once, backing down and the going up to essentialy the same hull down in effect presents a stationary target to the attacking Tigers. If the Abrams commander wants to play the armor card and is banking on the frontal arc being impervious to the Tigers, then just stay in the one hull down spot and pump out the rounds. If the engagement started when the sides were at 2000m apart, in two minutes the Abrams will have sent 14-16 rounds downrange, while the Tigers could only have closed the gap by 750m (assuming a speed of 20kph). So after two minutes there would have been at least a dozen dead Tigers and the remaining handful would still have 400-500 to travel before they were even within engagement range of the Abrams. If the Abrams commander wanted to play the mobility card, traverse across the battlefield more or less hull down, creating a quicky moving target for the Tigers to try to hit. Abrams incredible fire control and shoot on the move capability means its accuracy is only slightly diminished while forcing Tiger gunners to track and hit a target moving across their front. The changing range, deflection angles and applying lead will put the Tiger accuracy in the toilet. Tiger commanders will want to stay still longer to provide a stable base for their gunners, making them sitting ducks for the M1. M1 commanders could be running the engine smoke generators most of the time obscuring their precise location from the Tigers.

Greats video, as always. And THANK YOU!

With a good Abrams player, the result is determined by how much the player is willing to wait after finding a position (or perhaps after re-positioning). If they get impatient, they get slapped. If they hold their ground, eventually, their opponents will have to come to them and expose themselves. Honestly, the best tactic once the Abrams player is found would be for a couple people to keep throwing smoke in their face so that they either have to re-position, or push out of the smoke to prevent people from closing the distance. At that point, two people who would have flanked prior would be waiting to take a side shot.

@robertharris6092

Жыл бұрын

The thermals can see through old style smoke though.

@Registered_Simp

Жыл бұрын

@@robertharris6092 TFW it's 0400 and you forget that not all smoke shells are coded the same. Room temperature IQ moment

Half the tigers would break down before leaving the spawn spot

lol intro music from c&c generals, i'm glad to hear that

Great commentary, and awesome video!

Now the Tigers get to find out what it was like to be a Sherman in WW2.

@notanormie6533

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@ddarkon1223

Жыл бұрын

Shermans actually destroyed allot of tigers

@mackgiver875

Жыл бұрын

@@ddarkon1223 Yeah by losing half a platoon trying to flank them, just like what is happening here. Only the Fireflys could really engage Tigers at the same range Tigers could kill a Sherman, unless they got the sides or rear.

@gabriel.b9036

7 ай бұрын

​@@mackgiver875Literally never happened, lol. Nearly every recorded Sherman Tiger engagement had the Sherman come out on top, 75mm or otherwise.

@mackgiver875

7 ай бұрын

@@gabriel.b9036 Yes when there's 6 of them for every Tiger on the field then eventually the Tiger dies. Nobody with a choice fought a Tiger with a Sherman 1 v 1, unless they were driving a Firefly.

Finally , we got Collab with Oddbawz , That Literally Wotb and Wt collabs that we didn't need , but worth it

@Atom-kn3zf

Жыл бұрын

Also , I just waiting for T-80 vs Grandpa IS-2

I love watching your content! ❤ keep it up!

This is awesome! Nice job!

I mean if the tiger manages to hit the abrams barrel it’s only one that’s needed and if the tigers coordinate their push so they flank from two different sides at the same time then it’s two

@joshuavales2268

Жыл бұрын

Technically all they needed was to blitzkrieg and focus fire coordinate so by the time the last fires the first can again

Considering one of the big advantages of the Abrams is its ability to fire accurately while on the move, not a very realistic scenario have it sit in the same place. Also, with its better range and sights, it should have been able to take out most if not all the Tigers before they could even get within range.

@s.h.hoseini2926

5 ай бұрын

Exactly, the tiger was not able to perform a fire while moving or its turret would be seriously damaged. And it would take 60 seconds for the tiger to turn the turret 360 degrees.

Been waiting for this one

In one of the three battles do the M1 Abrams utilize their speed and accuracy while mobile. The Abrams could've easily taken Tigers out at range, focusing on one side more than the other, and then charge the weaker side while placing terrain between their weaker armor and the Tigers they're leaving behind. As they close range on any remaining Tigers on that side, their strongest armor is facing the Tigers so they won't get penetrated at all. At the same time, they're destroying Tigers with every shot ... or they should be. No Tiger is going to take a shot from an Abrams and both crew and tank survive as a functional unit. Once the Abrams have wiped the walls with the Tigers on that side, they simply do a 180 and confront the other side, again from long range.

These are great and I'm hoping for more of them but I wish you'd still do some regular vehicle vids too.

@ThunderWithMuffin

Жыл бұрын

But they don’t get nearly as many views as these vids

@johncee853

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderWithMuffin No worries, it was just a suggestion. It's your channel...I'll be watching no matter what you do.🙂

@Joze1090

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderWithMuffin you got your niche brother, stick with it :)

Why does the abrams scope have parkinson's

@ThunderWithMuffin

Жыл бұрын

Wt replay system unfortunately. I hope they fix it soon

0:19 bro you accidently made a rhyme better than I ever did in my life😂

i love what u do never stop it

Can u maybe do this with a leopard like leopard 2 vs Sherman’s ? Would be nice to see

@BurningBlazeBaguette

Жыл бұрын

Dude my M22 can pierce the thin hide of the leopard… im serious can

@the-lag-gamerita5446

Жыл бұрын

@@BurningBlazeBaguette and also the side of the M1,so? side armor is basically irrelevant for modern tanks

@averagesnailgodpraiser3840

Жыл бұрын

Frontally a M4 can penetrate a leopard, somehow

@the-lag-gamerita5446

Жыл бұрын

@@averagesnailgodpraiser3840 are you refferring to the 2PL optic? because that's the only case in wich it's possible. and even then that's far from a guaranteed kill

@princessapplestrach6327

Жыл бұрын

@@the-lag-gamerita5446 if the 2pl's modular armor around the gun is shot off a 45mm Russian gun can pen it and kill it (did it once on tunisia)

I miss Daddy Phly, wish he was out there with Odd.

@NooBplayer-ps1qm

Жыл бұрын

One day brother the prophet will return

@ThunderWithMuffin

Жыл бұрын

Where has Phly gone?

@YFDTHEGREAT1

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderWithMuffin he's just busy with his kid ig, not posted in a while

Great play-by-play commentary!! It kept me engage, and I don't even play this game. But, maybe I will after this.

All the Abrams has to do is keep moving during the engagement. It’s ability to target and shoot on the go is what made Desert Storm such a turkey shoot. That and the Chobham armor that bounced T shells off.

@jeffreytipper4909

Жыл бұрын

In ten years a Drone that can fly at 200 kmph will be able to kill any tank from 3 km away all A I controlled

@curlyfries2956

10 ай бұрын

@@jeffreytipper4909ok bud 😂

@travisrolison9646

9 ай бұрын

​@@curlyfries2956drones can kill tanks amazingly well now. Guy sitting in the US can fly a drone half way round the world and murder tanks. The ai bit im not so sure though. Im sure they could program the drone to auto target tank like vehicles to engage. But im thinking the rules of war and doctrine will require an officer to allow the shot.

@curlyfries2956

9 ай бұрын

@@travisrolison9646 we have developed anti drone laser weapons

@matthewjones39

3 ай бұрын

@@jeffreytipper4909”The Germans made a bigger bullet, our landships are already obsolete.”

You should do the Tiger 1 H vs T-34(1940) thing where a lone Tiger 1 held off a whole tank battalion of 50 or so T-34s. Basically, the T-34s retreated and the Tiger 1 claimed 17 kills with 5 knock outs. But the Tiger 1 actually ran out of AP ammo and had to resort to using HE ammo. Took 67 hits from Russian F-34 76mm, none of which penetrated.

@thiccthighssavelives5866

Жыл бұрын

What's a "F-34"?

@geoffsails

Жыл бұрын

@@thiccthighssavelives5866 76mm M1940 F-34 cannon was the gun used in the T-34-76 from 1940-1944.

@thiccthighssavelives5866

Жыл бұрын

@@geoffsails *I n t e r e s t i n g*

That was a blast

I smiled when that kruppstahl bounced a long rod depleted uranium penetrator

These videos are cool. I *think* a good way to "simulate" WW2 tech vs more modern technology would be for the Abrams to have access to 3rd person (simulates sensors for more awareness) and the WW2 tanks stuck in first person view

@rodrigofilho1996

Жыл бұрын

In WW2 Comanders kept their heads outside of the tank in order to spot the enemy

@Trisket

Жыл бұрын

@@rodrigofilho1996 lol no they certainly did not. One of the main critiques of Fury from from WW2 tankers was how much Brad Pitt's head was poking out of the tank. Looks cool in the movie but a great way to get your head blown off.

@grudgebearer1404

Жыл бұрын

@@Trisket to today's tankists and critics maybe, but on WW2 the commander keeping the head out was a rule unless under active heavy engagement, actually, even drivers would leave their hatch open during light engagement, that's why was part of the anti tank doctrine found in most manuals dating to WW2 to take MG shots at the tank from the range of 1 thousand meters in order to force the enemy tank to close all his hatches and become less aware of his surroundings as even long range spotting wasn't done by the gunner and his optics but by the commander with binoculars.

It takes 1 more than however many shells the abrams can hold.

great video as always

Reminds me of testing my friend’s skill in the Turms with me in the German captured bulldog

I love that Odd is collabing with you in these challenges. It is so cool

Do this again but with the T-80, Challenger 2, Leclerc, and Leopard 2.

i love that at 8:25 he immediately know a tiger was about to be there, suuuuuus

I love these vids man

How about a realistic WW2 battle on the eastern front? heres the lineup: USSR side: 2x IS-2 2x IS-1 2x T-34-85(D-5T) 1x KV-2 1x KV-1S 1x ASU-57 2x ISU-152 1x T-34-57 1x T-34(1942) 1x KV-85 1x SU-85M German side: 2x Nashorn 1x Sturer Emil 2x Pz. IV J 2x Panther D 1x Panther A 2x Tiger H1 1x Tiger E 1x Pz. IV H 1x Stug III G 1x Panzer IV/70(V) 1x Jagdpanzer IV Does this seem fair, if you end up doing it in a video, feel free to edit it to make it more fair. Thanks!

@Hanz_Goober

Жыл бұрын

Should be 1 Ferdinand in there somewhere.

@doiboiplayswarthunder3980

Жыл бұрын

@@Hanz_Goober maybe but then we would have to add a ISU-122S

@Hanz_Goober

Жыл бұрын

@@doiboiplayswarthunder3980 I'd say 1 normal IS-2, and an IS-2 1944

@doiboiplayswarthunder3980

Жыл бұрын

@@Hanz_Goober sure

@AlexanderAF31

Жыл бұрын

asu-57 is a post war tank though

In all honesty though, this is still a video game. An Abrams isn't invincible in real life, but it would be fine against this many relics.

@johncee853

Жыл бұрын

Not if they can flank it. I know it would be extremely difficult in real life, but it is possible. A Tiger could kill any modern tank from the sides or back. You'd be surprised by how many people think otherwise.

@chickenman404

Жыл бұрын

@@johncee853 Agreed.

@kanash8851

Жыл бұрын

@@johncee853 well that's if the tiger doesn't break down mid fight

@admontblanc

Жыл бұрын

@@kanash8851 that's very funny because atm the US is refusing to send Ukraine any Abrams because of all the maintenance they need. So the real battle would be everyone broken down on random positions trying to snipe each other.

@matthewjones39

3 ай бұрын

@@admontblancYou know all tanks need maintenance, right? So do rifles, machine guns, rocket launchers, clothes, and literally everything else.

Man y’all just got a sub..tho oddbawZ in the Abrams who next Justinplays? Loving this ❤

the fact that u put super skilled players in the good vehicles kinda unfair

@louiswright8282

Жыл бұрын

And in an open map, they should chose a different map that's smaller because he obviously chose this map in favour for thr Abrams. If it was an urban map, it'd be the absolute opposite.

@ThunderWithMuffin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah in future vids I’ve thought about mixing it up a bit or having at least one round where the main tank has to move around and not sit in spawn if they choose to do so in the first round

FURY: THE AMERICAN REVENGE

The apfsds are slicing throu tigers rather than punching innit?

@ThunderWithMuffin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

The general command and conquer theme song the memories I have with this song

yes thank you bro

The number of Tigers killed by 1 Abrams tank would be limited to the number of HEAT/SABOT rounds the Abrams can hold. The number of Abrams tanks killed would be virtually based upon the Abrams fuel and ammo capacity.

Can they make a night fight version?The Abrams should have a big advantage thanks to night/heath vision!

@Briselance

Жыл бұрын

Even bigger of an advantage, you mean. :-P

@raiderdare7462

Жыл бұрын

It already have an advantage

Maus vs Abrams, 60 Tons of Freedom against 200t of German enginiering

As an ex M1 gunner and driver, we are trained to hide behind defilades and drive up, fire and back down out of sight. This is normal operations unless they changed tactics from my time in service in the 80's

Interesting that you have the armor on the Abrams so thin. I thought it was equivalent to 40+ inches of steel. Same with pen on its rounds. The Abrams would do well to use its speed and relocate to better positions.

@prolordyt9356

Жыл бұрын

Its because its the default abrams if it was the m1a2 sep or m1a2 or m1a1 AIM it would be different with the armor

I feel what would be more interesting to do next time is have the vehicles being hunted move from spot to spot. It'd be more dynamic and a little more fair seeing as the defenders tactic was just sit in a corner of the map.

@ThunderWithMuffin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m planning on doing that in future vids. I agree

@JohnSmith-ty2he

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderWithMuffin Or the objective to be "cap a location."

Is that command and conquer soundtrack? Dope

So, Tigors 2 next time? These vids are great, love them!

The 88mm "Can Not" penetrate the Abrams frontal armour !!! A silly sim ! The Abrams can Kill all of them at great distance, it wouldn't even be a long fight !! Sgt, Semper Fi

@matthewjones39

3 ай бұрын

It never penned from the front

This scenario is every reformist dream

C&C Generals soundtrack is simply fucking awesome! Good choice!

The command and conquer generals music fits perfectly

Yeah, saying again, sitting at the spawn and using the radar might be "smart" but for the "challenge" it's 100% not fair fight ! If you're challenging the Abrams as vehicle to find out if it's 10 times better than the Tiger by doing a 10v1 challenge, at least set the fights better. This is like a duck hunt in one of the worst designed maps in the entire game, if not the worst... Try Mozdok, Karelia, Normandy, Hürtgen...

@Boberther

Жыл бұрын

Of course it's not a fair fight, there's about 50 years of technological progress between these tanks. Artificially increasing the Tigers chance of winning by putting the Abrams in a bad spot to start with removes the whole point of the challenge. The only way to really show how big a difference is between the tanks is to let the players utilise the strengths of their tanks freely, and for the Abrams that happens to be sitting back and using it's reverse speed.

@efethecaptain6

Жыл бұрын

@@Boberther You must be Einstein's son or something very clever, I thought the Tiger was a modern MBT equivalent to Abrams thank for the info, Jeez.

@efethecaptain6

Жыл бұрын

I'll add a couple of things, I watch Odd's videos, he can comment himself but I know more or less his playstyle, in similar situation you can just wait for a clear-shot or even spawn radar to take the shot safely and pull back behind a hill and take them out np. HOWEVER I feel like Odd's move was subconscious to move forward and leave the ridge that he killed himself, or felt like the situation would be unfair to sit back and wait for the radar to make the work. Yeah turns back to my point at the beginning...

@alphastronghold715

Жыл бұрын

My guy, if you really wanted this to be a truly “fair fight” you put them on f*cking Sinai. The major advantage of the M1 is its range and speed, the ERA only works from the front of the tank. Artificially giving the Tigers the advantage by putting them on the most optimal map possible and forcing the Abrams to brawl against them isn’t going to prove anything. You’re basically saying “it isn’t fair that the guys with shotguns aren’t given an unrealistic amount of cover against the sniper, we should force the sniper to fight them in CQC!” In fact, if this were a “fair” test we should remove the map boundaries entirely and let the Abrams run circles around these things taking pot shots from 2 km away the entire match. The fact that the Abrams can’t withdraw already is putting the Tigers at an unrealistic advantage. An Abrams vs a Tiger IS a duck hunt to the damn thing. This is how a realistic battle between the two would go. Deal with it.

@edenfeledrum1540

Жыл бұрын

It was never intended for the fight to be "fair". It's 10 old tanks vs 1 modern tank, all using the best abilities they have inside of War Thunder to see what will happen. You dont watch a video on an oldtimer dragracing a modern sportscar and then complain that it's unfair because the sportscar can accelerate faster. It's inherently unfair. It would also technically be unfair for the Tigers to be allowed to use their full abilities while severely crippling the Abrams in its potential. I think what you meant is that it is not very entertaining and I 100% agree with you on that. There's little to no stakes for the Abrams.

A Tiger bouncing an Abrams saber round.... War Thunder physics.

C&C Generals Zero hour ost , awesome !

Why do the crosshairs in sniper mode twitch around so much and then sort of snap onto their targets?

I love the C&C Generals theme song

It’s so awesome how those tigers can use their barrels like lightsabers to block incoming fire

Not the Abrams launching a shell pretty much straight down the barrel of a tiger in round 2 lmfao

Really cool seeing the tigers take multiple shots

Now I want to see 20 M3 Stuarts vs 1 Abrams!

@merafirewing6591

Жыл бұрын

Actually make that 60 M3 Stuarts versus 1 Abrams.

Now for the German big cats revenge. Do a Leopard 2 vs Shermans...

Other issues, the Abrams tanks used depleted Uranium armor and ammo. They also had a layer of reactive and ceramic plate. The Tiger at best was firing either Tool Steel or tungsten rounds. It would have taken a very lucky shot to knock out the engine and the tracks are tough too.

Well, as a modeler, I have been fascinated by the vision of the confrontation between the Tiger and the modern Abrams since I was a kid. Especially after watching "Nimitz" where the Japanese "Zeros" attack F-14s. The only option to disable the Abrams is an ambush. You place the Tiger by the road, expecting an Abrams on the left, and point the turret to the right where the Abrams is expected to appear and show it's butt. The Tiger's engines were turned off so it couldn't be detected by thermal vision. You wait until the Abrams starts approaching the point on the road where its back is towards you, turn on the engine and electrics, make corrections to the gun and fire it up. 88mm, easily enters the engine compartment, Abrams stops. The Abrams crew is evacuating, just like the Tiger crew, because more Abrams are coming. :P

So, from this, I can gather that in Abrams against a World War II armored column would be a slaughter.

Would love to see how many it takes to take out 1 leclerc in the same battle situations

I don't know why, but I'm always rooting for the ww2 vehicles in these videos

Both tank types can easily fire at each other at several 1000 meters and even if the hit probability and hit effect of the 8.8 cm gun is significantly lower, the sheer quantity of the Tiger 1 should win the battle. I won't go into tactical detail here, of course, because it's not clear who will win the next US election, but the Tigers would fight from cover and the engagement would be more like an artillery attack than direct tank combat. After all, 33 Tiger 1 could theoretically fire 2840 shells!

I think the Tigers learned from the Shermans and Locusts.