I love how Swedish people order shai latte and then find a shair to sit in. Very sharming.

@wug6175

5 жыл бұрын

it's kjai and kjair.

@flowerpower2906

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha 😂

i had no idea what the tj sound was supposed to be like until you said it was like the sound in 心

@JasonBentrosnowqube

4 жыл бұрын

Me too, Mandarin advantage ;)

speak both mandarin and japanese, but always thought that this swedish tj (mandarin x, japanese sh) sound is the same as english sh until now so it seems i need to improve my english sh pronunciation instead of swedish lol

Not easy, but of everything I have watched regarding pronunciation, dialects, spelling and usage, this is by far the very best of all. It gives me hope. I have completed the full Swedish Duolingo course and nowhere was pitch mentioned, nor help with how to pronounce the more difficult sounds. The computerized voice is often off and not helpful either. But Duolingo taught me a lot about grammar and helped me enormously in reading Swedish. Next, I turned to Felix Lättman who has a free course on Udemy “Swedish in 6 days”. He has a Canadian student with him who is learning Swedish from the beginning. He is helpful for teaching you how Swedish is actually spoken, less formally than on Duo, and with short forms for texting etc. Felix is good, but he is now a teacher of Mandarin Chinese and there is only that one short course available by him. So after his course, I am left needing a really good early intermediate course. I watch as much Swedish tv and film as possible, but I know my weaknesses are hearing and understanding quick spoken Swedish and I have absolutely no practice at conversational Swedish. So this is tremendously helpful and thank you very much. I am feeling a little defeated at the moment, but these are stressful times anyway. I hope you cover the “I” sound because that is another problematic sound in Swedish for me. Tack så mycket, Adam!

I never knew that the difference between [ɕ] & [ʃ] was the blade of the tongue pushing against the alveolar ridge vs the tip of the tongue touching it. Very good pronunciation guide.

Came here trying to find out, what japanese し (shi / ɕi) should sound like. Perfect explanation, thanks a lot!

This video also basically teaches you how to pronounce the x in Mandarin.

Thank you for the post! This series is really helpful.

Per the norm, superlative lesson from Academia Cervena. Was linked to this lesson from Duolingo, btw. Tack så mycket!

It remembers me of the swedish trio Peter,Bjørn and John and the way they sing "giving me the chills" like "giving me the shills".Really interesting! :D

@AcademiaCervena

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's a classic Swenglish pronunciation :)

Great video! Tack så mycket!

thank you so much, this video was super helpful.

You have helped me alot! Tack så mycket!

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO/SERIES!!

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

I'm a native speaker of English and my /ʃ/ is /ɕ/ made with the blade of my tongue, not the tip. And the tip against my bottom teeth.

@AcademiaCervena

7 жыл бұрын

Makes sense that there'd be such variation in English too. I recall an acquaintance of mine not understanding why everyone always talked about the lower teeth when discussing /s/ and /ɕ/-he made them with the tip of his tongue behind the upper ones.

fantastic explanation! I finally got it! thank you!

@AcademiaCervena

7 жыл бұрын

Glad to have helped!

Very good, thank you!

This is very helpful, because apart from Old German, Mandarin, and Japanese, Twi also has this sound /tɕ/ (Tw), like in Twi /tɕi/

I agree that low tongue position is key to this sound so thanks for showing us that :) however I disagree that English S is usually in that position, my tongue tip is much higher up so maybe this isn’t the best example. Also in my experience of polish coś, the ś has a high tongue tip and therefore isn’t directly equivalent to this Swedish sound :/

Great explanation! Also now my throat hurts after practicing both the sj- and the tj-sound :D

After watching all your videos, I wasn't really sure if you were a dominant Swedish or dominant English speaker. This one made it clear that you are a dominant Swedish speaker. It is the way you say "produce" that makes it clear.

@arnoldgetshigh

3 жыл бұрын

Also "plethora."

Thank you very much! Your work is highly appreciated! The videos are very helpful. Thank you for pointing out the 'щ' sound. I've been pronouncing 'tj' just like that without even thinking about it. :DAs I learn the language, I'm finding a lot more similarities between it, Russian (mostly) and Belarusian (my mother tongues) than I was expecting. Learning new languages is truly fascinating.P.S.: I still have a hard time imitating that proper long 'i' sound swedes have. Any advice on that? I know, you've mentioned in one of your first videos that one should just add 'j' to it, so it becomes 'ij', but even so I cannot get that rich sound of yours, unfortunately.

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words! I'm glad that my videos have helped you and that you've been able to 'connect' features of Swedish with other languages that you know-that's one of the thing I always try to encourage and help with! As for long /i/, it is a 'regular' long /i:/, followed by a weak /j/ sound. One difference is that the Swedish /i/ generally has a more fronted tongue position than the /i/ of other languages, which makes it sound slightly different. Besides that, my advice is to keep listening, and keep imitating, until you get it right! Good luck! :)

@balisong46

6 жыл бұрын

I just did kept repeating 'She sells shells by the sea shore' without moving my tongue till I got it haha

@xolang

4 жыл бұрын

I get you. I never really managed to imitate the swedish ī sound. but it's okay. I just use a regular ī sound followed with an j. 😁

I am a Russian native speaker and I also run a channel about phonology, so I would like to point out the subtle difference between the [ɕ] sound in Russian and Swedish. The Swedish tj sound is pronounced with a contact between the tip of the tongue and the lower teeth. The same sound is used in Mandarin Chinese. The Russian щ sound is pronounced without a contact between tip of the tongue and teeth. The sound difference is visible to me and I can hear that your pronunciation of щи had a tiny foreign accent. Luciano Canepari uses [ɕ] for the Chinese sound and a special symbol [ʆ] for the Russian щ. You definitely know that Canepari adores accurate symbols. To my surprise, Canepari uses a non-sibilant [ç] for the Swedish tj sound. I can't agree with him that tj is a non-sibilant and a voiceless pair to Swedish j [ʝ]. What do you think?

@kylierachie8824

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how Russian and Polish pronounce /ɕ/ and/tɕ/. Look like different resources indicate different tongue positions.

Nu har jag suttit i typ en halvtimme och försökt hitta skillnaden mellan "tj" och "sh" genom att säga olika ord som innehåller de båda ljuden, på både engelska och svenska, helt övertygad om att jag uttalar dem exakt likadant. Men till sist, när jag provade att säga "kök" och "fors" efter varandra upptäckte jag att jag visst skiljer på dem! :D

@AcademiaCervena

6 жыл бұрын

Bra att du blev medveten om din egen övertygelse! Första steget för att lära sig höra skillnad på ljud är alltid att bli varse att skillnaden finns där, och då är det bra med ett öppet sinne :) Problemet för många svenskar är att man inte hör någon större skillnad på tj/sh eftersom de aldrig kontrasterar på svenska, och så använder man tj-ljudet även på engelska (där det alltså inte finns). Så uppstår förvirring när man hör att engelska ska vara annorlunda, eftersom man själv uttalar det likadant och inte tänker på att det kanske är svensk påverkan (eftersom man inte hör skillnad till att börja med)!

Tack så mycket. Very helpful once again. What is the position of the lips and mouth? It feels like there is a bit of lip curling/pouting here it order to get the right mouth position?

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you! The lips are not in any particular position-they are not involved in the making of the sound.

Vad fan duktig du är. Jag uppskattar den här videon väldigt mycket. sj-ljudet är ganska svårt för oss som utländska. Jag var förvånad över att du använde både kinesiska och japanska för att förklara ljudet. Kan du både kinesiska och japanska eller dina vänner berättade dem för dig att de uttalas på ett likadant sätt? Till mig är din förklaring jättehjälpsam. Tack så jättemycket!

@AcademiaCervena

9 жыл бұрын

Tack för dina vänliga ord! Jag har studerat kinesiska och japanska i viss mån, men jag kan inte tala dem :) Jag arbetar på en film om sj-ljudet också, men det tar tid!

@abagpiperyoumetinmexico211

6 жыл бұрын

hahaha va fan bro, hur många språk kan du? tack så så mycket foer dina videor" verkligen de har hjaelpat mig mycket

I just learned I was pronouncing sh wrong my entire life xD Also my 1st thought when hearing the tj pronounciation was "so exactly like ć but with š" xD thank you 5th grade geography teacher for teaching us how to pronounce ć instead of teaching geography that one lesson xD

This a very easy sound to make for Chinese speakers, though we spell it as "x" as is "xia", meaning "summer".

As a native English speaker, discovering that an English /s/ is supposed to be pronounced with the tip of the tongue touching the lower teeth was wild.

hej can you make a video of the ng-ljudet?I think I really need it...

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

It's definitely on my list, but I can't promise when I'll be able to make it! :)

Uh, glad I'm Polish - ś

Jag är finlandssvensk, och ju mer jag tittar på dessa svenska uttalsvideor inser jag hur olika det finlandssvenska och det ”rikssvenska” uttalet är. Det känns som vi, både då det håller vokalerna och konsonanterna, har mer gemensamt med många kontinentala språk som ungerska, tyska, tjeckiska, italienska och spanska än vad vi har med svenskan i Sverige. Då det alltså gäller de existerande ljuden, dvs fonemen, i språket. Någon skulle kanske säga att våra ljud påminner om finska, men det stämmer faktiskt inte, de har tex inte b, d, g, sj, tj eller u, däremot lägger jag märke till hur likadant vårt uttal är just tex de nämnda kontinentala språken.

If Russian has the same pronunciation as the tj sound, then the Portuguese language have it too, so that means that I can say it, I just didn't realize it till now, right?

I have problem with Swedish vowel U, i can never make the sound right . I always make it into Chinese ǖ sound . Some Chinese have learned Swedish for several years can not even make the sound right. I was wondering if it is possible for you to show me some pointer to make this sound ?

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

Have you watched my videos _The Swedish Vowels, Part 1 & 2_? They give a good explanation of the various vowels! Here is the link to part 1: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnqMpaqGZLG_crA.html Otherwise, I can suggest this: Say *ǖ*, and turn it into an *ū* (I mean Mandarin ü/u), and the other way around. Notice that the important thing that happens is that you move your tongue back and forth in your mouth when you switch between them. The Swedish (long) *u* is along this scale too, approximately ⅓-½ of the way from (Mandarin) *ü* to *u*. So it's in between the two of them, but a little bit closer to *ü* than to *u*. The lip rounding is that of *ü*, and not of *u*. As for the short Swedish *u*, it's a different vowel sound, which I think would be somewhere in between the Mandarin vowels of _們_ 'men' and _何_ 'hé', but with rounded lips! I'm not an expert in Mandarin, so my examples might not be perfect, but I think it should give a decent idea of the positioning of the vowel. For examples I refer to my video _The Swedish Vowels, Part 2_! I hope it helps!

@linawei4308

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the explanation in detail. I have seen most of your videos. Your videos help me to solve most problems in Swedish learning. Tack, Tack. Especially, the conclusion part at the end of the video, it helps me to remember and understand the Swedish rules quite well.

TBH Indian languages are a good references for these sounds, as we have most of these sounds in our 52 alphabets.

I love the video but no, as a native English speaker I have never made an ‘s’ with the tip of my tongue touching my lower teeth. If I try and pronounce words like ‘silly’ or ‘scientist’ like this, I get a lisp and something closer to a ‘th’. I pronounce my ‘s’ with the tip of my tongue on my palate. Also I don’t believe I would pronounce the ‘sh’ in ‘ship’ with the tip of my tongue. I’m trying various words now to test this but I believe all my English ‘sh’ sounds, wherever they are in the word, are made with the blade of the tongue rather than the tip.

Du tar dina sj-ljud nästan i halsen. Jag tycker att lite är märkligt då jag tar mina mitt i munnen, är det något mål som spökar för mig eller vad?

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

Det finns väldig variation hos just sj-ljuden. Vissa har bara främre sj-ljud (uttalas med tungspetsen), vissa har bara bakre (uttalar med tungroten), och vissa använder sig av båda, bl.a. jag själv. I rätt stor mån hänger det ihop med var man kommer ifrån, så det kan absolut vara en faktor. Enbart främre sj-ljud är t.ex. det vanligaste i norra Norrland.

3:46 Lol, English speakers where I'm from do this anyway.

@ikemoon127

6 жыл бұрын

At least when they're talking to little kids. Growing up, I always thought it was "gableshu", not "God bless you". (Although most people just say "bless you", myself included.)

Outstanding lessons. These are the two most bitchin' weird sounds!

Ive been pronouncing S with the tip of my tongue lightly touching behind my upper front teeth all my life... Perhaps because I'm Lebanese? I just tried it on the lower teeth and it sounds much better..I hope I'm not too old to change it ^^

@Ainennke

2 жыл бұрын

I do the same thing, and honestly can't hear the difference.

@yakumo.nightspider

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ainennke well each mouth is different..I feel more airflow from the bottom personally.

Thank God I am a native speaker of Chinese, but I am still struggling with the sj sound

Visste inte ens att tj och sh var olika ljud, har alltid uttalat mina tj som sh. Har jag gjort fel hela livet eller är det kanske en dialektal grej? D:

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

Om du alltid uttalat dina _tj_ på ett visst sätt utan att tycka att det var något konstigt med det, så är det enligt lingvistiskt synsätt omöjligt att det är *fel* ;) Däremot kan det stå i kontrast till rådande standardnorm, men det är egentligen en annan sak! Men oavsett: Som du föreslår finns det en tendens idag hos en del talare att slå ihop de två ljuden på svenska. Uttalar du spontant första ljudet i _kök_ likadant som sista ljudet i _fors_ (förutsatt att du inte talar sydsvenska)?

Kex eller tjex?

Så det er som skj i norsk?

@AcademiaCervena

5 жыл бұрын

Nei, sj/skj på norsk er som den fremre sj-lyden på svensk (som i mellansvensk 'dusch' eller 'Lars'). Det er heller som kj på norsk (om du har den skilnaden), men tunga er på svensk litt nærmare posisjonen for /s/.

@wug6175

5 жыл бұрын

Academia Cervena tusen takk :)

That's also the ś sound in Polish.

@craftah

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah

Men vad om /ɧ/? Vad är ɧs historia?

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

Jag jobbar på det! :)

Kär? Tjär eller chäär?

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

Jag är rädd att jag inte förstår din fråga. Kan du försöka förtydliga den?

@Idellle

8 жыл бұрын

Kommenterade tidigare att jag är finlandssvensk. Jag lär min finska rumskamrat svenska och har svårt att komma ihåg hur ord som börjar på TJ eller vissa ord med K skall uttalas. Skall man uttala Kär som Chär (chimpans, champange, skär (färg) ) Eller Tjär ( att tjäna, tjock, tjugo).

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

Av alternativen så kan 'k' och 'tj' bara representera tj-ljudet, alltså det som är i tjäna/tjock/tjugo. Sj-ljudet (chimpans, champagne, skär) skrivs inte med dessa stavningar i något ord. :)

tjit

It's not /ɕ/ in Russian word. "Щ" makes harder sound. Anyways "щи" is pronounced different from Japanese word "ashi" and especially from Chinese "心"

@craftah

4 жыл бұрын

Че? Все звучат как наше щ

@NFSl0

4 жыл бұрын

@@craftah По-вашему, русскоговорящие произносят "щи" так же, как автор видео? Убедиться, что по-китайски произносится по-другому, можно даже просто открыв гугл переводчик и прослушав озвучку слова "心".

@craftah

4 жыл бұрын

@@NFSl0 ну мб немного иначе но они просто произносят это больше как "с"

@ulfr-gunnarsson

2 жыл бұрын

@@craftah Автор произносит ближе к польскому ⟨ś⟩, чем к русскому ⟨щ⟩, что для русского языка не совсем корректно. А вообще, русский ⟨щ⟩ немного более неоднозначен, чем аналогичные звуки в других языках, ибо он может произносится некоторыми носителями как [ɕtɕ], а не только [ɕː].

@craftah

2 жыл бұрын

@@ulfr-gunnarsson польское ś звучит так же как наше щ

As a swede I never put my tongue like that...

Jag vet inte om det är på grund av min västgötska dialekt, men jag uttalar inte tj och sh olika. Kan inte hitta en enda skillnad mellan dem.

@AcademiaCervena

8 жыл бұрын

Det är ganska vanligt för svenskar att inte skilja på dem. Antingen beror detta på att man inte uppfattat dem som olika, och helt enkelt använder sitt svenska 'tj' även i engelska. Eller så beror det på att man har ett sammanfall mellan ljuden, och inte skiljer på dem till att börja med, ens på svenska. Testa att säja t.ex. "Det körs så mycket bil här" eller "Man ska aldrig stjäla en tjurs mat". Om du i _körs_ och _tjurs_ har sagt samma konsonantljud 4 gånger har du sammanfall (förutsatt att du inte uttalar som r+s, som man gör i vissa dialekter). Alternativet är att du i varje ord flyttar bak tungan en aning för att byta från 'tj' till 'rs'-ljud.

You didn't do the KJ sound

@AcademiaCervena

4 жыл бұрын

The tj sound *is* the kj sound!

4 жыл бұрын

True

s + y = [sh]

bro russian??? they don’t even use letter Щ that often, it is a ukrainian letter Щ. omg bro, cringe

They say ''chips'' with the tj sounds and used to make me cringe when I first heard it

Щ is widely used in Ukraine. Що, Борщ, Щастя, Щавель, Ще, Щедро, Щиколотка and so on. Brother wtf, were in the world it is russian. THEY DONT USE IT THAT OFTEN, EXEPT THAT NAME FOR THAT UGLY ASS SOUP «щи»