99% of rav4 and foresters will never do this ,but my money is on Toyota's engine and transmission solid built.

@TonytheGr8

7 ай бұрын

I agree!!

@lunawense6288

7 ай бұрын

Yeah honestly Toyota makes vehicles specifically to do this. These SUVs are more for driving to the campsite or light off roading at best.

@user-zy5je6oe9q

7 ай бұрын

Yet Toyota is always losing in real life crashing battles

@TonytheGr8

7 ай бұрын

@@user-zy5je6oe9q Yh. Check the mechanics and see if Toyotas lose in real life reliability battles when compared to most vehicles.

@BABALAGAJIGAPOO

7 ай бұрын

I think you missed the point lol. Most motors are the same nowadays unless you’re talking Kia or Ford.

As a long term Toyota owner, I think we all know Subaru's AWD system is better than Toyotas. But that's not why we buy Toyotas. We buy them because you can put 400-600k km on one and it will still run like new. Besides, crossovers aren't meant to be serious off-road vehicles -- they're meant to get you to your campsite and handle on-road snow, which they both do just fine. So let's not pretend anyone is taking either of these cars on the Rubicon trail.

@esoterictrinitarian1990

23 күн бұрын

Too right mate.

@Campers5

17 күн бұрын

Bit touchy mate who cares if the Toyota is second best on many aspects…… should have gone to specsavers and bought the much better Subaru

@esoterictrinitarian1990

17 күн бұрын

@@Campers5 simmer down mate, “better” is subjective to the individual. Besides that, if you, in all your impressive wisdom, side with the data, Toyota has far more models on the road with high km and fewer repairs. At that point it becomes about how often you’d like your chariot to be repaired innit?

@din3832

11 күн бұрын

Totally agree but you forgot to mention that Toyota is a lot more expensive to buy used, so you can pay less for a less durable car, or more on a very durable one.... it kinda evens out... and even talking about new cars, here in japan the forester is a lot cheaper than a new Hybrid Rav

@movieclipscobrakia9971

10 күн бұрын

Subaruuu❤❤❤

Ofc its the forester, subaru takes pride in their engineering and awd

@alanmay7929

8 ай бұрын

Bullshit!!!! What king of driving styles was that on the RAV4!!

@clozedcaskets1438

8 ай бұрын

Maybe they could of put some decent tires on the test I loved all my subies except the engines every subie engine I had was in total shit

@alanmay7929

8 ай бұрын

@@clozedcaskets1438 the problem on Subaru is the CVT gearbox! It seriously limits it's awd capabilities it's not a strong enough gearbox for such applications

@michaeldavila8627

8 ай бұрын

Only good thing about Subarus is their AWD system, nothing else

@flurpoid

8 ай бұрын

​@@alanmay7929CVT* gearbox

Subarus AWD is just incredible. I have a 2021 crosstreck limited. I’ve had water over the hood of the car and it still trucked through zero issues.

@Honestandtruth

7 ай бұрын

Sounds good 👍

@UnWePtTrAx2

6 ай бұрын

What does this have to do with AWD

@militarymann01

6 ай бұрын

I would check all the fluids. Make sure water didn't get anywhere it wasn't supposed to. Particularly the diffs

@tobyr8555

5 ай бұрын

Subaru have several versions of AWD and they’re quite different

@TexasSi

4 ай бұрын

​@UnWePtTrAx2 because the Rav4 is AWD, they're testing which is better. And Subarus AWD is better.

Subaru AWD system is like land cruiser 100 series, with center dif lock without A-trac. Rav4 don't have shit but a simple AWD.

@TechDad-th2ph

18 күн бұрын

They like to advertise their rear motor that controls the rear tires. But in reality it has issues with over heating and shutting off. 😅

Honestly they are both really meant for people who wear Birkenstock’s

@genejen

8 ай бұрын

damn, thats accurate

@hunterswiski8398

7 ай бұрын

Had to google that is can confirm

@victors.6439

7 ай бұрын

can confirm, i wear birks and am buying a Rav4 hybrid im too tall (6ft5) for a Rav4 (2019+).. Lexus RX450 hybrid (2017+) it is boys! (2.2 inches more headroom)

@alansach8437

7 ай бұрын

😂😂 True, but the Subaru is pretty capable. Last month I was camped in Northern Montana. Had three days of rain. 4wd pickups and ATVs were stuck in the "gumbo". I swear, the only thing driving around was a Subaru Cross Trek.

@Frontierproxbajastorm

7 ай бұрын

Don’t forget the man bun and yoga classes

Driver ability is questionable in log climb...hes doing burnouts.

@Bluine

8 ай бұрын

Exactly, i really hope he wasn't paid to do this

@vhakisa

8 ай бұрын

​@@Bluinehebwas

@chunkyfecalbreakfast

8 ай бұрын

Toyota is in 2wd

@SocraticMutt

7 ай бұрын

​@chunkyfecalbreakfast it's an AWD, pay attention

@DrAdHominem

7 ай бұрын

​@@chunkyfecalbreakfastno... is the same car... watch the plate... is the same...

Idk how is that surprising, Subarus AWD is Goated

@alanmay7929

8 ай бұрын

Nope

@straydog8843

8 ай бұрын

@@alanmay7929tell your story walking

@MiikSer101

8 ай бұрын

The new gens yes. My 2gen is a beast

@HSstudio.Ytchnnl

8 ай бұрын

yeah even Toyotas & Lexus failed TFL's slip test but Mazda's AWD is also great but Subaru is the greatest

@zane8789

8 ай бұрын

My 2011 outback has passed giant lifted trucks that were stuck in a foot deep of loose sand ruts. I always loved the reactions I'd get back then bc Subarus weren't as popular. Lol😊

The Hybrid AWD RAV4 has an extremely long waiting period and its price keeps rising, almost $10,000 higher than the Forester. How many years do I need to drive a hybrid to save this $10,000 in fuel costs?

Did anyone ever think that it could be the SKILLS OF THE DRIVERS?

@mohammedali-po6qb

26 күн бұрын

u should watch the whole video and there were many other suv too. haval outlander and forester did the best out of all rest suv. and was tested by one driver

Let's see which one can eat 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles. Winner is Subaru.

@the_rojas8734

Ай бұрын

Lil Bro is criying 😂😂😂😂

@parselx3588

5 күн бұрын

@@the_rojas8734he’s not crying, atleast my head gasket doesn’t blow up every second

@the_rojas8734

5 күн бұрын

@@parselx3588 At least i have a good AWD sistem

Nothing beats Subaru’s symmetrical all wheel drive. I just got a crosstrek, took it to the top of Burroughs mountain and granted it’s not a hard core jeep trail but it’s still pretty rough and the Subaru just didn’t care. Was completely comfortable climbing and going over rocks and roads with deep ruts, just had to pick my line and the car does the rest.

@OceanVibartions

7 ай бұрын

Exactly half it comes to driver’s ability to attack terrain

@OceanVibartions

7 ай бұрын

I take my crosstrek on a lot of dirt roads and it does pretty well , and it’s like a rally car too

@SkidzFPV

7 ай бұрын

@@OceanVibartions yup, just pick the line that avoids bottoming out (it’s almost 9” clearance but that’s not a lot on some roads) and it does really well. The X-modes make it really easy, especially going down hill you don’t even need to touch the brakes, it keeps it at a nice slow speed for the angle of the descent.

I watched the original video months ago. If I recall correctly, the RAV4 actually completed all of the tasks about as well as the Forrester. I think they just had to changed a terrain setting on the RAV4.

This is a piss-poor test since they're using a hybrid RAV4 the regular RAV4 is actually really solid and if you get a TRD off-road model that steps up the game by allowing more wheel lock up with electronic clutches in the rear but Subaru's all-wheel-drive system is not a full lockup either uses a fluid-filled clutch type deal and I'm pretty sure all those Subarus are CVT transmissions which are absolute crap off road at least when you go with the standard RAV4 you get a regular eight-speed Auto with a torque converter in general Superior off-roader

@thepatient115

8 ай бұрын

Don't take anything on the internet personal

@user-gg4of8kj6y

7 ай бұрын

True that. Many variables

@aiztoh

7 ай бұрын

​@@thepatient115do u know what's he talking about? I'd be surprised if you do

@krisadathamavit4440

7 ай бұрын

Forester only has 180hp and toyota fanboys complaining already?😂 how much more dose TurdRD costs? If that subi turbo she gone

@StarHunter28

7 ай бұрын

Are you a race car driver? Because that's a lot of excuses.

Fun fact: RAV4 was build under D-Segment platform, while Forester was under C-Segment platform. From the chassis itself, Forester already killed many upper class Crossovers than itself.

@andrew.khachaturyan

7 ай бұрын

Can you be more detailed please?

@fireboltaz

5 ай бұрын

Give me a 1988 Toyota Hillux

Ever heard of airing down? Just sitting there doing a burnout is ridiculous.

Test should be conducted with identical set of tyres.

@jamickokk6128

8 ай бұрын

Right😂

@Blookson

7 ай бұрын

As well as lower pressure and a driver who knows that if you’re burning rubber on a climb, You’re not going anywhere

@EastonHB27

7 ай бұрын

Why? If it’s fair it should be with the tires the car comes with

@potatochobit

7 ай бұрын

No, tires that come with the car because that is what they are selling

@oppanheimer

7 ай бұрын

@@potatochobit Then it's not a proper comparison of the vehicles four wheel drive abilities.

This is good consumer testing! The tests simulate trips to the whole foods.

There sure is a lot of pissed off RAV4 fans here. 😂

@jamespostle6894

7 ай бұрын

yup lmao. The test speaks for it's self.

@-ac-8296

7 ай бұрын

toyota fans are the worst

@CNCMatrix

5 ай бұрын

​@@-ac-8296 Nope, Subaru fans are definitely the worst. You just can't get them to admit there's a single thing wrong with them.

@SupezYoutubeStudios

5 ай бұрын

@@CNCMatrixcompletely false, subaru owner are BETTER than your local toyota fanboy, your just trying to protect your OWN opnion

@VampsMedia

4 ай бұрын

Subaru fans just like wasting money on fixing their cars every 30 miles. 😂

WRONG TIRES...on each of them.

@Ravenousjoe

8 ай бұрын

That's the point. It is showing stock performance.

@alansach8437

7 ай бұрын

They always test with stock tires.

@fifossucrilhos

5 ай бұрын

Tires make no difference with one wheel in the air in these open diff vehicles.

The rav4 was in 2 wheel for half of this and the driver was incompetent. There is a reason toyotas are seen in offroad communities and foresters are seen at grocery stores.

@Douglas-iz4de

7 ай бұрын

Body on frame Toyotas belong off-road but rav4 should never leave the pavement! Most Subarus are beasts off-road for what they are and they have the best AWD system on or off the pavement. Also most Subarus have 8.7in of ground clearance stock and with a 2in lift and some bigger tires will have 12in of ground clearance which is more that a lot of Jeeps. Unfortunately Subarus don’t have a low gear so they can’t really do a lot of rock crawling.

@CurtisGingue

7 ай бұрын

RAV4 was in fwd because it's part time awd. Only puts power to the rear if it detects slip in the front

@alansach8437

7 ай бұрын

Nonsense! In the Northern Rockies Subarus are seen everywhere. The reason the Toyota was in 2wd "half the time" is because IT IS two wheel drive. Ravs are slip and grip cars. The rear wheels only kick in AFTER the front wheels slip. Subarus are full time AWD. All four wheels get power all the time. Big difference!

@davidroads419

7 ай бұрын

You haven't met my overland Forester!

@-ac-8296

7 ай бұрын

Toyotas suck you salty fanboy

Never buy a demonstrator.

You can see the FWD bias during the log climb which makes it extremely difficult for the front tires to grip. I can see how Suburu has been always using a better AWD system than the RAV4. This RAV4 is definitely an improvement over the last generation with more electronic off road features but it is very heavily reliant on the brakes to transfer torque from a slipping wheel to wheel with traction.

People keep saying wrong tires, they testing them each with their own stock factory tires, it’s fair game, Subaru takes the W fairly

This is a test of which tires are better suited for off-road and not of off-road capabilities. Put appropriate tires on each and then put them through these tests.

@-ac-8296

7 ай бұрын

excuses excuses salty toyota fanboy

The reality is that neither of these vehicles were designed for this use. They're only meant for better traction in wet and snowy conditions

The only test I care about is which one can best make it up a snowy, icy hill.

For anyone who wants the truth about the systems and how they perform, go watch Driving Sports TV. He rigorously tests both these vehicles as well as the Outback. In the end, both Subarus do have a better AWD system stock from the factory than the RAV4, but the RAV4 is still a good system. Suburu has been AWD in almost all its vehicles since the early 90’s; they’re better at it. Also the tires in these cars off the lot are very similar, so weak argument there.

What ate the specs of the 2 vehicles? Are they comparably equipped vehicles?

@celderian

5 ай бұрын

Nope. The rav4 was a hybrid which runs pretty weak electric motors in the rear with no connection to the front wheel.

This is a tire test, not a vehicle test.

Test #3 - If you're driving either of these and taking them through situations like this, you need to consider buying an off-road vehicle instead.

Why'd the Forester get AWD and the Rav 4 only front wheel drive also both had wrong tires and the Rav 4 was straight sending it while the Forester knew to stop once it lost traction

@jakob9292

7 ай бұрын

0:12

@haneterujoseon7350

7 ай бұрын

The Toyota was AWD too

@EthanPatrick223

7 ай бұрын

Dont be a blind ass u can clearly see the rear wheel move.

@xfozzypx115

7 ай бұрын

That Toyota is clearly awd…

@xfozzypx115

7 ай бұрын

Also the forester driver was not stopping that was the computer braking the spinning wheel to give traction to the other one.

Oh come on… at least use the non-hybrid Edge for this comparison… I’m sure the outcome might still be in Foresters favour but at least the RAV4 will have a mechanical AWD

@OwenWanKenobi

8 ай бұрын

Well if you do that, then you have to use the forester wilderness which has a lower gear ratio, lift, and all terrain tires.

@amode8761

8 ай бұрын

@@OwenWanKenobithe Edge doesn’t have these off-road features in Australia so no you wouldn’t need to

Whoever drove the Rav 4 has never off roaded. If it’s the same person, they were asleep at the wheel. You don’t sit and do burn outs in ditches and bumps or logs, you bump and run everything

Swap the drivers around and try again.

Like someone would ever offroad their Rav4. It’s a motorway cruiser at best

@CarExpertAus

8 ай бұрын

As the video demonstrates 😂

@benoit.b9337

8 ай бұрын

​@@CarExpertAusWould be great if you guys could do a similar test with Toyota Corolla Cross and Crosstrek class of vehicles. The door flex test on its competitors would be pretty interesting.

@disontago5729

8 ай бұрын

@@CarExpertAusToyota percentage ownership of Subaru is paying off 😂

@alanmay7929

8 ай бұрын

Lol!!!!! Such a staged video

@alanmay7929

8 ай бұрын

​@@CarExpertAusit demonstrates nothing

Subaru is winner. But at Test2 depends from a type of tire and weight of a car.

@tonyli2918

7 ай бұрын

They are both factory cars with factory tires, in other words, what the consumers will get from the showroom. So it's a fair test.

Just get a 4 runner if you want to do off road the real deal

@TPB-OPA

8 ай бұрын

Nah get a Land Cruiser that is a beast

@OceanVibartions

7 ай бұрын

Not everyone can afford a 4 runner though

@OceanVibartions

7 ай бұрын

But goals!

@ReinventingTheSteve

6 ай бұрын

Get a Hilux... I will never go another vehicle... wont need to 😂

@AlderaansRanger

5 ай бұрын

I’d love a fourruner again but a used one less than 10 years old is nearly as expensive as a new one.

I suppose if I'm climbing logs and driving over offset moguls, the Forester is great, but in the real world, I would have something with an engine that'll go half a million miles before it's toast. I'll take the Toyota, thanks.

@chrisgentry9255

7 ай бұрын

Subaru make an extremely hq japanese motor which will last just as long. You goofy sob

2.4 boxer engine. Enough said!

@grege9244

7 ай бұрын

2.5

Toyota holding onto their fwd system with pride😑

@SupezYoutubeStudios

5 ай бұрын

Its AWD 😊

Subaru is literally in good partnership with toyota. Also Subaru, for years, has destroyed every car manufacturer for a vehicles capabilites straight from factory.

This is what happens when cars are computerized,both are crap

Ill go take Rav4 for dependability 😊

@davidphones7290

7 ай бұрын

You can depend on it… to be useless

@jamespostle6894

7 ай бұрын

toyota reliability is grossly overstated. This isn't a hilux.

This rav4 is front 2wd instead of awd. Should have a fair game.

@CarExpertAus

8 ай бұрын

No it’s AWD.

@BABALAGAJIGAPOO

7 ай бұрын

They were both awd 😅

Too bad most of the time, both these cars only see mall parking lots.

Both look like brothers

Toyota is respectable in its ability to get you to and from somewhere and it does so reliably. A Subaru is also just as reliable, but Subaru can do just about everything a Toyota can’t, it handles snows, rough rugged terrain, ice, and honestly a lot of other things.

@SupezYoutubeStudios

5 ай бұрын

True, this is the first comment that i agree with.

Set of tires and brains go a long way

When I was comparing SUV's such as Toyota RAV 4 , Honda, Kia, & Nissan, in AWD system, price, options, Subaru came out on top. I'm now the proud owner of a 2024 Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness, All I can say is wow! Exceeded all expectations, and I'm loving it !!!!!

That’s not a fair comparison, try the TRD RAV4. It would be closer to the Subaru. Subaru does have a superior AWD. I personally own a RAV4 hybrid and wouldn’t consider putting it through these kind of conditions.

I know for a fact the RAV4 trd off road trim with better off road tires would smash this test as for the Subaru it’s needs better tires as well and this test would’ve been right on the money for these two.

This is not an apple to apple comparison. They are using a hybrid rav4 for some reason. In those, the rear axle is driven by a quite weak electric motor and has no connection to the front. It’s good for slippery conditions but utterly abject at any kind of off-roading.

All I can say is I love my 2023 subaru forester wilderness🥰

Would like to see an old element on that course.... also ATs or MTs would help a lot

Reliability: Subaru 🏆 Toyota 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

They compared the Forester to the weakest RAV4 Edge 😂 The clever rear diff, traction programs and even downhill descent mitigation are all limited to the gas powered Edge. The hybrid doesn't have these features. BTW, why not compare the Subaru to the TRD RAV4?

The driving the Toyota on the logs was just hilarious to watch. Clearly a skill issue there

Had a 19 adventure lifted and 35s. It was sweet looking and hung with Rubicons. We did quite impressive stuff with it. At 46k miles it could'nt handle the abuse so we had everything fixed under warranty and traded it in. It was my wifes and she got a new acura rdx as it fit her life better

Best car i had ever owned was a 2nd Gen Forester. 2.5 Turbo engine. The older Symmetrical AWD systems would make light work over the electrical AWD systems. Best car i will ever own. But certainly the worst for MPG. After the bigger turbo and remaps i was averaging about 15MPG 😅

But the rav4 was a hybrid…..

RAV4 has better fuel consumption and lower emissions, which is what most people are more concerned about. And in the UK we get a 5 year warranty, plus an extra 5 years if it’s serviced by Toyota, and the road tax costs half what the Forester costs each year!

Is RAV4 an all wheel drive?

I’ve had many new cars , including these two brands , I’ll have TOYOTA all the way !

Damn these Starbucks drive through’s have gone wild

Rav 4 calls in big brother 4 runner… Game over…

Reliability: RAV4 🏆 Forester ❌

The Subaru system allows more power to the back wheels than the RAV4 system does. That's the reason why it's able to go up both of these situations

Next... Veggies vs ice cream. Which one tastes better lol 😅

“What you think I rap for, to push a f***ing Rav4?” - Ye

Question, I have Sienna but I need another car( used ). Is Subaru forester reliable to buy ?

Great to see Subaru sponsoring the test

Looks like you don’t know what you are doing. Next time get cars that fall in same category. All of them should be AWD.

Not to mention that Toyotas AWD system is notorious for over heating and shutting off. 🎉🎉

My ford Bronco Sport had no issues with obstacles like these and much harder. Think about a bronco sport. Much more capable than either of these two.

@matan6737

8 ай бұрын

No. Its a reskinned escape. And its a ford. A 4runner would beat all 3. A real bronco is the only way to make it close.

@texasgrillchef8581

8 ай бұрын

@@matan6737 lol no shit, of course a 4 runner would be better, and a full size Bronco would be better obviously. I’m just saying I had a Ford Bronco Sport badlands… and I did Moab’s Hells Revenge Hells gate obstacle. Go do a KZread search for “Bronco Sport and Hells Gate Moab”

Apples and oranges test. Toyota has a model that is almost exact capabilities

Both of this vehicles will do great grocery shopping and picking up the kids from school. You can’t go wrong. If you want to do off-road. There are better options.

Offroading without offroad tyres

Type of tyre also play massive roles in this kind of challenge

My 07 forester would walk this

I love the Toyota owners going right to reliability when they forget Subarus are well known for dependability too. Also there’s more space in the Forester, get wrecked!

Its all in the tires for the second one. If you aired down either one there wouldnt be free spinning

Researched this years ago and the best was the ford kuga/escape. I owned one and never had a wheel spin even in deep snow and ice. The CVT will give out about the same time as the oil seals in the Subaru and well the other one is a rav4…..you can see how good the tc system is on that 😂😂😂

Xmode engaged? If so, 1st or 2nd setting?

I want to see the Mazda CX50 put through this❤

I'd drive either one, I suppose.

Subaru is actually built for going off-road but the RAV4 driver wanted to do burnouts

Subaru have better AWD system just give it better tires.

how long can they be driven like that before the transmission and awd system break?

Unfortunately for the Rav4 TRD, the tires are faux-ATs and the torque-vectoring differential is too slow to respond and too conservative with the amount of power it shifts between the wheels (making it kinda useless).

Should compare that Forester with NKOTB, the GMW Tank 300....

I love my 2017 sti tho it breaks all the time he’s gotten me out of some really bad trouble 😂😂😂

lol you got a hybrid instead of the Limited Trim regular model with the dynamic Torque vectoring. Completely different products

100% Toyota, isso não prova nada!!!

My 2024 Wilderness Forester kicks ass lol

Better tires would make it easy for both vehicles.

Physically speaking, these results are quite expected.

I would love to see both of them on PORTAL AXLES!!!:-)

What a surprise 😂 Subaru has been doing this for a lifetime...

Any test with the old nissan xtrail?