I'd love to see a comparison between Suunto, Coros and Garmin where navigation is started how well it shows you your direction when rotating. The Suunto appeared smoother in that sense.

Quite informative and very handy! My Suunto Vertical arrived yesterday and it is a stunning and exceptional Sport Watch and this video is making the learning curve easier.

That is crazy battery life, well done Suunto

Great thorough and detailed review. I watched it several times until I made the decision to buy the vertical titanium - thank you

@DeLFeTube

11 ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on the Vertical you bought ?

Thx, I’ve just ordered mine. Looking forward to use it! Have had a few watches in the past including Garmin, Apple and Casio. This is something completely different.

I am super happy that you have selected my island Reunion Island 🇷🇪 . Great place for outdoor adventure.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

🤣 One day I’ll make it there!

Thanks so much for this user guide

Thanks, very informative.

thanks for this guide 👍

Hello Ray! Thanks for the good set! Do you know how Suunto calculates recovery? Does it use HRV. And is it cumulative like before?

Hey. great vid. I'd be interested to see a top 5 gps navigation watch video with special consideration to battery life, maps feutures, ruggedness fpr multi day hikes..

Great video 🎉😊 !! I can't figure out how to enable Strava live segments, how did you do that?

Lots of information there. Thanks for putting it all together. I looked for a manual online, but it doesn't seem to be available yet so I'll ask here in case you know. Can one disable the app so it doesn't use battery all the time? (I can't do that with the Coros app, so I end up uninstalling/reinstalling a lot.) How about downloading. Can I download gpx tracks to my computer? What method is used? How about other data?

Hi DC Rainmaker I have watched your video and its a nice overview. I have watched two other videos about this watch and Its looks amazing. I use Samsung Smart watch 4 classic and relie on that watch and samsung health for my entire health profile along with the withing smart body cardio scales. They are Link with Google Health, is the Sunnto Health Portal App and services as good or better then Samsung Health. Also does the New Sunnto get calls, texts and other app notifications.

Thanks!

Does the Suunto Vertical have hot buttons and regular stop watch and timers? Also, multiple customizable alarms? I really like it but not sure if it’s an actual upgrade over my forerunner 955 solar. Also, I’m sure it doesn’t have ant+ which I am bummed about.

Hi! Great video... I have now a suunto9, and I can't to personalize the thriatlon mode. I understand than in Suunto Vertical is not possible either. Could you know why? I wrote to Suunto assistance and told me that thriatlon is not a priority for them... I'm in love of this watch (I have a fenix 5 and a Suunto 9, my dream would be to be like you and could test a loooooot of watches, but my wallet, and my wife,doesn't allow 😅😅). Do you think the vertical will have a thriatlon mode to create?? What watch do you recommend me for long distance thriatlon, running and cicling?? (I even think to do an Ultraman, so, I need a BIG battery). Thanks!!

My 1st experience using it to navigate was mixed. I mainly go off-trail, through the woods and cliffs. Yesterday I chose one of my old routes, and my only option was to "navigate" on it. Near the end I chose to take another route down. After I was 50m off the "old" route, I got a few beeps (probably asking me if I wanted to end navigation), and by the time I checked my navigation had ended, and the activity (which I had actually started before I decided to show the old route) terminated. I really wish we were allowed to put a route on the map for reference, but not have it tied to navigation or an activity. I now realize I could have put much more detailed maps on a garmin 965 (I used to make my own garmin maps); the Sunto maps are about usgs 100k detail. Buyers remorse.

@newchenyufengchenyufeng5535

11 ай бұрын

Then I recommend the apple watch map navigation

Hi, a question, when I'm is a sports mode, eg hiking, how can I switch to map or other functions? Also, can auto lap be switched off? Thanks

Only one sensor paired at a time was a dealbreaker for me. Otherwise this watch seemed so perfect and love the fact its made in Finland. But as triathlete only able to pair one sensor is a no go. Thanks for your in depth reviews and guides to educate us before any purchase. :D

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful - enjoy!

Hey Ray, great video. The 9 peak pro will let you pair a foot pod and a heartrate belt for running. Agreed it would be nice if they gave you a name snippet or some way to tag a paired device to keep track of what you have paired. Also, on the 9 peak pro it will show you a heart with a belt on the workout setup screen when its getting heartrate data from the belt. I did have to turn off wrist heart rate in the workout setup to see the HR belt connect. I would assume this works the same in the vertical. Anyways, hope this is usefull for someone. Thanks again for the great video.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Yup, it’s all the same on the vertical. But you can only pair/save one of each type, not multiple power pod’s for example.

Hi, Great video. I love this watch. Unfortunately the hr is not accurate. And this is important for the physical analyzes that the clock gives us. There is also no possibility of using a bolt to turn on the light during the activity, this is annoying. It would also be nice to be able to deactivate the touch screen.

Dobra recenzja Franek😮😅😊

Does it broadcast heart rate data? Or connect to peloton or tonal as a Bluetooth heart rate device?

Concerning the topographic map, does anyone know the value for the contour lines? Like, does each line represent 1 or 5 meters?

Thank you

Do you know why Panama is not available for map downloads? I bought the watch super excited to use and it's like the only country with NO MAPS. So sad. I do like the watch, but I'm finding that I get no visuals when I use navigation at all and it really is pointless. I'll have to contact Suunto to find out why.

Question? Can I set multiple alarms or only one at a time?

12:00 I would like to load a few favourite MP3s to listen to in a cave: A relaxing Bach cello suite on repeat, something upbeat, maybe something I need to memorise. I'm often on a train through the mountains without net connection and maybe my phone battery is dead.

Does it display resting heart rate either on the phone or on the app?

You made it as a bit of a throwaway comment: "no smart trainer support" It's sometimes these "little things" that make a device useless for a person (cyclist).

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Somewhat. With a smart trainer, all of them also broadcast power concurrently on ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart. So yes, it can connect to most smart trainers, but where it gets messy is if you have another app trying ot control that trainer via Bluetooth Smart. Only the Wahoo (and recent JetBlack) trainers have multi-channel Bluetooth Smart. Whereas something like a Tacx NEO would be single-channel BT and taken up.

Do you know if they will be updating the heart rate pulling data to their older watches? So instead of the 10 minute interval it would measure every second.

@DamianSieradzki

Жыл бұрын

Probably no. It has to do with battery/chipset capabilities. Adding this to older watches could drastically increase battery usage

Ray is the best reviewer. If he dislikes what he is reviewing, he never shows it. .. I think Suunto falls short of impressive. No street names on maps

@meta4101

8 ай бұрын

Depends on your needs. If you need a smart watch like Apple, fitness watch or want to navigate around the city, go elsewhere. If you are a mountaineer, Suunto in the gold standard.

I would like to know how accurate is the temperature sensor?

I've bought this watch because my Forerunner 965 has broken glass so I have like 2 weeks to give the Suunto a try, before Garmin come after repair. It's generally speaking awful. Beside the fact it's the most beautiful watch on the market (my opinion) it has so many limitations comparing to Garmin I'm shocked. Steps counter is working incorrectly, sleep tracker as well. In garmin I can choose to see the map and my HR/Tempo or whatever in the same time, in Suunto I can't. Finally I cant even have date and battery level on the main screen at the same time. I'm totally dissapointed and I wonder who chooses Suunto over Garmin if they don't need a battery life of 400 hours.

Do you happen to know if there will be later Firmware or software updates to increase the UI performance to reduce the lag?

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Totally plausible, but no way to guarantee that at this point.

Love this video. Any chance they will add TP info as a widget?

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

That’d be great/ideal!

@fitgearhunter

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker haha translation: no plans currently to add it.

So does topo maps work? do company's have to buy this from someone? garmin must get their data from somewhere? Easy for Apple of course but I'm thinking this may be proprietary or something?

I cant go through the widgets anymore by pressing the middle button or swiping left or right. I now have to push the down button to get to the widgets. How could this be fixed?

Hold middle button to go back. Thanks! I didn't know that. Gesture swipe back seemed a broken UI/UX.

Hello, does anyone know how to end a track? I start touching buttons and I make a mess, I must be clumsy. Thank you

Does it have padel sport activity?

Is it possible to pay with the watch as Apple Watch?

Hi, is there a function like "live track" or/and "crash alert" function?

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

No

Couple of questions: 1) Is the Vertical _actually_ manufactured in Finland, or is it (like some many things these days) 'designed and developed' only? 2) How accurate is the steps function - my Ambit 3 has always miles out and it's interesting to note the sleep HR is inaccurate in this review. Thanks.

@Jampper

Жыл бұрын

It is manufactured in Finland.

Hey man, first of all awesome video. I got the Vertical yesterday and surprise, the software is buggy... After downloading a map and open the map screen, it only shows me these white squares and not the map. Any idea how i get rid of this problem? Soft reset did not worked... Thx

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Hello! I've seen a few people report that - I'm not quite sure what the cause is. My guess would be a semi-corrupted map download. Maybe delete the map, then re-download it? Either way, I'd contact Suunto support, and then keep an eye on this thread in case someone finds a solution: forum.suunto.com/topic/8851/no-map-problem/2?_=1684346257164

@STANGER241

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker thanks. i tried already to re-download the map, did not worked

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

@@STANGER241 Just as an update - it appears at least one resolution, is to ensure you've got a GPS fix first. Meaning, if you've downloaded the map and are inside, it won't have GPS, thus, the watch won't know where you are. Do ensure to go outside and get a GPS connection first. Sorry if this sounds obvious, but sounds like it's what a number of people are running into.

Has Suunto fixed the step counter problem? I had the 9 PP and even though I was sitting at my desk and moving my arm to get something out of the drawer the watch counted this arm movement as a step and at the end of the day I had an absolutely unreliable step total. Thanks for your review

@ccuellar6212

Жыл бұрын

I believe all step counters work that way (based off arm movement).

@robertocoslovich3143

Жыл бұрын

​@@ccuellar6212 I'm not so sure, I have also a Amazfit T Rex pro and it counts steps perfect avoiding counting any arm movement

@Bierkameel

11 ай бұрын

No I still have this problem with the Vertical.

I always fixed the Shark on your Shirt and sometimes he is talking while your review the watch. :)

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

hahahha...I never thought of it like that!

I see how to download maps, how do you do it with Garmin? Can you download maps from other countries that you’re not in? I live in the USA. Can I download maps from say Italy ?

Great info and great watch. Did you get a feel for how long the battery might last if it's on maps the whole time? My vertix is significantly less if I do an ultra with maps up the whole way.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

It's hard to say. I used maps a fair bit on my mountain hike, and the battery burn rates still seemed pretty good. Unfortunately, Suunto doesn't lot the burn rates to the files, so I can't easily validate or back-up that with actual data. :-/

@tumaitis1

Жыл бұрын

​@@Dcrainmaker Hello, Which is one best watch the Garmin Enduro 2 or Suunto Vertical? Please let me know. 🙏🙏 Thank you

@clitaiulian4497

4 ай бұрын

@@tumaitis1Garmin Enduro 2 for sure.

@tumaitis1

4 ай бұрын

@clitaiulian4497 thank you very much. Yes I use Garmin Enduro 2

Which is one best compare the Coros Apex 2 pro or Suunto Vertical? Please let me know 🙏🙏🙏 Thank you

@juanjotarradas

Жыл бұрын

Hola desde España. Estoy en el mismo dilema. Comprar Apex 2 pro o suunto vertical. Cual recomienda?

@tumaitis1

Жыл бұрын

​@@juanjotarradas Coros App doesn't have public share to any friends! Suunto app is public share to friends or coach!

Do you notice a big difference between Suunto and Garmin step counts?? I noticed with Suunto the step counter is way off. It counts arm swing that raises the step counter. But with Garmin and Coros, the step count is more accurate. Does it affect calories also?

@arsvitae285

8 ай бұрын

As you write, it's true, step counter isn't accurate and counts all arm swing and raises. And it affect proportion of calories burned.

@uldistucs

6 ай бұрын

Garmin also counts hand movements (FR 245).

Tou can reroute with the Suunto app and sync the new route to the watch while in the activity…one of the best Suunto features..

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Assuming you have cell connectivity….

@martowl

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker If the route is already in the app you do not need cell activity, if not you need a connection.

For me there is only very important question: Is it possible to pause a activity and continue it at for example next day? I came from Garmin and bought a Suunto 9 Baro and couldn't believe my eyes, that this basic feature isn`t possible. With the Garmin i did a Hike, slept overnight and continued next day and at home i ended the activity and got one track. With a Suunto it is unpossible - till now?

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

No resume later type support.

@luckyikarus3478

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your answer. Written to support often. They told me i should pause the aktivity and resume next day. 🤣If i do that i can't use the watch for other features meanwhile. Not even for checking the time. Very disappointig for a watch in this price range. Thanks again for your answer👍

@ccuellar6212

Жыл бұрын

Sleep is for the dead.

@jamessalouros5393

Жыл бұрын

There is a autostop feature for activity that you are doing, it will work for instance when walking is stoped for water break. I thought the start of activity you manually turn works good.

@luckyikarus3478

Жыл бұрын

@@jamessalouros5393 Thank you for your answer. I know the autostop feature. But thats not the problem or the solution. Even you stop manually or via autostop - the watch is paused. What means, that GPS and other sensors are still working in the background. And, this is much more annoying, you can't use the other features of the watch, while it is paused. Doesn't matter. There is no other solution, then stop the activity, start a new one next day and merge the two (or more) tracks on pc.

Awesome video Ray! Learnt some extra tips already & only half way through ☕️ 🥐

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Suunto is more transparent with the info. The barometer/altimeter recording rate is 1s and resolution 1hpa. Is the same with Garmin? I don't find this info for Garmin.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

The recording rate on a Garmin is 1s as well. The resolution on a Garmin is 0.1hpa.

@tudorp2610

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker this is great! Again Garmin > Suunto. Thank you very much for the info!

Hi, thank you for your video, there are no street names in the navigation, am I wrong? Thank you

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Correct, none on Suunto or COROS. Just Garmin.

@cesarepanichelli6876

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker grazie

@CraigEggleton

Жыл бұрын

This is the U2 Vertical edition. Where the streets have no name 😅

Does this watch measure continuous SpO2 while sleeping?

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

No.

Cool

If it had the light like Garmin, I'd buy it instantly.

Ray little concerning it is reading such a big difference in V02max compared to other devices?? This is kinda important why do you think this is ?

@DamianSieradzki

Жыл бұрын

Very possible the watch was updated or little exercises done... maybe due to crash too. One way or another VO2max needs like 3 to 5 running/walking activities to calibrate

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

I've got more than that runs along on it, including intervals and such. While there has been many firmware updates, that shouldn't be dependnet on x number of workouts after a firmware update (and isn't).

Can you find a way of setting a timer to remind you to eat/drink? I know Garmin/coros have this

@ccuellar6212

Жыл бұрын

Who needs a reminder to eat or drink?! Oh…yeah…maybe a Garmin user.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

No hydration/nutrition reminders.

@patterbt

Жыл бұрын

Sam Hill - There are suunto plus apps to give you reminders for hydration. You can choose from 10 min, 15 min, or 20 minute interval reminders.

I'd love to be able to store and play mp3's on the watch. Not needing to bring my phone on every workout, not needing a constant internet connection, all apart from the fact that I don't use Spotify. If this watch has the storage for it already, I hope it becomes a feature.

@ccuellar6212

Жыл бұрын

All you need is the sound of nature.

You accidently changed map style while zooming out (at 33:58 very long press upper button), this 'feature' was removed with the latest FW, so should no longer occur.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I figured as much when it happened (or, I wondered if I had also accidentally hit the middle button concurrently). Either way, glad to see that 'feature' is going away.

Very Good Watch. Much better than Garmin. And made in Europe 👍👍👍

@benjaminvillasenor9064

Жыл бұрын

How so.. it doesn't give you the street names...

Can you pay via NFC

Is there a Turkish language option

I figured out how to export a gpx. Convoluted.

🗺 What’s a “transparency machine”? 😉

13:12 Ray, just hold the middle button. It will come back up

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Sorta. If you hold the button, yes, it comes back up...and then concurrently instantly goes to teh watch face. Putting you in argueably a worse spot. Realistically, this is such a good example of why they should just adopt the 5-button (Suunto 5) layout on all watches, and then let a user be both touch or button.

@DamianSieradzki

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker I've just checked... hold it and 1 second later you're up... keep holding it and another 1s later your back to watch face. Fins are careful about this stuff and once you get used to it (like the zoom in/out map button) you never want to go back. But, but, but... if you're afraid about going back to watchface (which again, is not a thing with little bit of usage), you can always swipe down this touch screen, to go right to the top of the widget. Cheers!

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

@@DamianSieradzki Hmm, it seems more finicky than that though. In trying variants of long and short middle-button presses, some of them will resort to the top of that widget, yet others will randomly advance to the next widget (and as noted earlier, if you over-press, it goes back to the main watch-face). Yet others still don't respond half the time (weather). Ultimately though, short or long hold seems kinda silly here, when the answer is obvious: Pressing right (middle) should go right - directly to the next widget. I agree Suunto is often very careful, and there are plenty of examples of that in the watch - but this honestly isn't one of them. This is just silly.

@DamianSieradzki

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker OK... I got you! Indeed some of them go back right from bottom to the watch face. Probably bug - let me report that ;)

Hi ...could you mention the various sensors in this watch?

Is the solar option worth it?

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

If you need the battery life, it might be (such as for ultras). Else, probbly not for most people.

This or the 965?

@majorbadidea

Ай бұрын

For me 965 because maps have info, but as I ride like to ride my bike on trails where falling is an eventuality ill prbly get this because its sturdy :/ Map without text, wtf

Looks like a Turkey 😊

@Dcrainmaker

11 ай бұрын

Yup indeed!

the wifi fuctionality is really really bad implemented. just works with wifis with weak passwords. wifi networks with special characters cant be connected. feels like in the early days of wifi setups, cant believe that this is an issue for a brandnew model in 2023.

If this just would have a Amoled..

Bezel is too big and it’s not Amoled so it’s a no from me

the fact that the watch is 0 days old and lags like that is unacceptable. it's lagging like a 4 year old watch... also, idk why the Finnish companies have this fetish against HRV tracking in their watches, but it's mid 2023. this needs to end, and fast

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@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Doh, thanks! Now it’s…less Completer. 🤣

Why is there chasethesummit in your DMs and not Des? :(

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

It’s literally just the DM that came in as I was shooting. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@ccuellar6212

Жыл бұрын

He only accepts nudes.

Your VO2 max is not 60, dude. You out of all people should know that. I don't think you understand how quick, fit, and durable people with 60 are. I would say Suunto reading is correct, sorry.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

I mean, I’ve been tested multiple times at 61 in a lab (update: and also 63), but as noted it was about 4-5 years ago. Inversely, all my tests were done without any taper.

@tim27scissorfists

Жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker Maybe in the past, but your current 1k interval pace is 3:45 min/km. That is not what you would run with a 60 VO2 max. Or at least you would not find it hard, like you did in your recent runs.

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

@@tim27scissorfists Huh? I don’t typically go out and run specific distances all out just for testing sake. While yesterday I did, as noted, I wasn’t feeling good and exhausted from days of almost no/poor sleep, but did it anyway. Also, was 3:21/km despite all that and rarely ever pacing a random all-out 3 mins, but sure….

@Ivesy85

Жыл бұрын

Why though is his suunto reading so different to all his other devices?

@davidcampos5878

Жыл бұрын

@@tim27scissorfists Don’t be that guy

How to get steps to show distance or miles walked rather than just steps?