Do you think there will ever be enough ARM apps to make this computer worth it?

@gf923

4 жыл бұрын

The Verge thanks for the review. Now I take it off my wishlist.

@akshatmalik5643

4 жыл бұрын

Hope so cause if Microsoft thinks it is the future they must be working on some right now

@skankhunt-zw6gg

4 жыл бұрын

Everything’s gonna be cloud base, no need to worry about platforms anymore.

@tinashesibanda1170

4 жыл бұрын

Windows Phone is that you?

@KyleKunze

4 жыл бұрын

The Verge no. Developers need a timeline of commitment from Microsoft on how long they will make it. Cause if they don’t why waste my time for a small number of people on a hardware line that could get “shadow” axed at any time.

8:26 that reflection on the device like the windows logo. So poetic 😁

@TheVerge

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for catching ;) - Vjeran

@ryze9560

4 жыл бұрын

Wow how sharp

@tenki_desu

4 жыл бұрын

I looked down for comments right after I saw that Lol

Dieter is starting his late 80's stand-up career by hiking up the sleeves on his jacket.

@finknottle

4 жыл бұрын

Neil Williams he looks daft. A-ha called for the jacket back.

@neilwilliams7376

4 жыл бұрын

@Chris Valin it's all in good fun!

@nemanmurad6152

4 жыл бұрын

Don Johnson vibes

Though the laptop is a little disappointing, I will always be impressed with Microsoft's hardware design

@jm1835

4 жыл бұрын

looks good doesn't mean it is good. terrible design with 0/10 repairability. landfill in 3 years when the battery goes out

@Kudupa

4 жыл бұрын

Why disappointing?

@imho4990

4 жыл бұрын

MacBook Pro still best.

@imho4990

4 жыл бұрын

@Know 1 My Surface Book was much more expensive than MBP, and the quality is worse.

@ak_hoops

4 жыл бұрын

VERY impressed

It's called the "bleeding edge" for a reason. It hurts to be first. I look forward to this high concept getting refined and filtered down to stuff like the Surface Go that doesn't focus on major productivity apps.

@TheVerge

4 жыл бұрын

I bought a Surface Go with LTE and I use it a bunch, and yeah it's just a little too slow. If Microsoft could improve app compatibility just a little bit (Chrome Edge on ARM, basically), I would basically camp outside their redmond offices until Panos Panay made an ARM Surface Go. - Dieter

@kristoferkline9522

4 жыл бұрын

It hurts to release a product that isn’t ready for a steep price.

@heshuimu

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheVerge To those who don't know: There has been leaked canary builds of ARM64 Chromium Edge a few months ago. They must have been working on it.

@FareAlert

4 жыл бұрын

I felt that way about the Surface RT. The only difference between Pro X and the RT is that Spotify didn’t work on the RT for the first year or so. RT had an amazing version of office 365 though. I don’t see anything different here. I sooooooo hope I’m wrong though

@christopherliang6879

4 жыл бұрын

Kristofer Kline like galaxy fold and mate x

“Do you think the apps will come?” *flashbacks of Windows Phone*

@bosenngantor9160

4 жыл бұрын

And don't forget windows RT

@chilly556

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly how i felt watching this as a former wp user

@novelnouvel

4 жыл бұрын

if only they can also make windows phone apps runs in this thing

@hryank33

4 жыл бұрын

Developers should develop better apps on Microsoft store. The market is getting bigger and bigger with all the 2 and 1 and windows tablets.

@BertrandBrussel

4 жыл бұрын

They're working on it! I promise, everything will be out really Zune.

*"A surface to admire, not to buy"* The tagline

If this wasn't running on ARM, I would have bought it already.

It’s the app gap from Windows Phone all over again 🤦‍♂️

@davidlegkodukh6969

4 жыл бұрын

Why do they keep expecting developers to bend to their software *EVERY, SINGLE, TIME*

@TheVerge

4 жыл бұрын

"App-gap A-gain" was one of my original title ideas!! - Dieter

@ralexand56

4 жыл бұрын

Not quite. For the user this is designed for, almost all the apps work fine, you just have to run the 32-bit version. I don't see why anyone would expect this to be a device for playing games. For my use case of something that's ultra mobile and always connected, I would love a machine like this.

@DogsAreCoolerThanHumans

4 жыл бұрын

Let's just remember the times when Apple went from PowerPC to X86. There was this magnificent thingy called Rosetta, you better Google it.

@DogsAreCoolerThanHumans

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah and such change was well worth it, as we all know now. :)

Surface pro x: I'm the future! Surface pro 7: Yes you are buddy, yes you are,not right now but definitely the future Surface pro x: ...

@breadone_

4 жыл бұрын

im not a fan of the Surface line in general but if people keep saying “its for the future but its not good now!”, ‘the future’ is never gonna come. good on microsoft for pushing ARM computing forward, even though i would definitely pick an ipad every day of the week.

@battman505

3 жыл бұрын

@@breadone_ now Apple is leading the way

Dieter is easily one of the best tech reviewers on the internet.

@richtaylor6039

4 жыл бұрын

Team APS Agreed

god dieter is such a good reviewer

@rakshitchintakindi6549

4 жыл бұрын

Ifkr. I don't think I like any other reviewer maybe other than Nilay. But dieter is the best imo

@wazzupbeckham

4 жыл бұрын

​@@rakshitchintakindi6549 Josh was the best??

@eventusvantos2770

4 жыл бұрын

*horrible

@creedbratton1002

4 жыл бұрын

@@eventusvantos2770 *incridible

@maldjulio

4 жыл бұрын

Ever since the Palm days. Been following him forever.

at 8:27 the reflexion of the window on the Windows surface, brilliant !

@Esco4Lifeee

4 жыл бұрын

Nico B remarkable attention to details on your part as well👌🏽

@amir-lp2mx

4 жыл бұрын

Also Jeffree star x Shane Dawson 😁✌️

Damn Dieter. You're great at your job. Just wanted to say that. Shoutout to the production/post-production team at The Verge too. You guys are all badasses

What gorgeous cinematography. Absolutely fantastic review. Thank you

Dieter‘s reviews are something I look forward to.

Thank you for this video! I’m starting college in spring and I went to Best Buy on Saturday to go buy the Pro X but then they told me they didn’t have it in stock until November 5th. I’m going to but the Microsoft surface pro 7 instead this video changed my mind.👍

@xxzxx21

4 жыл бұрын

Surface pro 7 is so old and boring

@lgmarquez5469

4 жыл бұрын

@@xxzxx21 I don't care if the 7 Pro is more powerful and cheaper I will choose it over the X. Plus I'm a broke college student and the Pro 7 is powerful and the obvious choice. I feel what you are paying for on the X is the new design with the smaller bezels.

@coby7398

4 жыл бұрын

@@xxzxx21 boring not always bad

@parkyj777

4 жыл бұрын

@@lgmarquez5469 Unless you do professional digital drawing, I seriously don't think any microsoft surface lineup is even good for student, unless money isn't a thing for you. There are cheaper asus zenbooks with better specs + cheaper price + better portability, without touchscreen, which really is only a gimmick feature for students unless you need it seriously for productivity. Been there, done that myself. It's just not a smart idea to rack up extra debt for surface/macbook. I'm probably being a killjoy, but it's not really for students as microsoft would push it as with 'student price promotion'

@shaikameershameer7150

4 жыл бұрын

Same here

This video is a delight to watch on an OLED screen. Also that Angry Birds 2 part ahaha 😂

@alexhein1738

4 жыл бұрын

Itbankrock oled is better than qled

@bayo2001

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Hein how

@alexhein1738

4 жыл бұрын

TheBayo 148 darker black pixels

@princymihawk

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't every video a delight to watch on an Oled screen ?

@Itbankrock

4 жыл бұрын

Princy yes but this video has Dieter on a plain black background on most parts.

That thumbnail is phenomenal!

Do you know how Office 365 which includes Teams perform on this device? I’m also concerned with how Visual Studio would perform on this one? Please let me know. Thank you.

I so wish the pro 7 looked like this also. Sigh,...

@AlumarsX

4 жыл бұрын

I would too, but i'd rather not lose the 3.5mm and the USB-A port for it.

@pupupuia

4 жыл бұрын

I got myself a Pro 7 two weeks ago and I don't regret it at all. Yes - the Pro X looks sooooo much better, but it really gives you so much more. If you need a good device with Windows, you should probably get the Pro 7 if you haven't already :)

@srirampadmanabhan4587

4 жыл бұрын

@@pupupuia Is pro 7 is equally powerful as a laptop? I'm a Mba student trying to buy a new laptop but want a portable device.. would you reccomend this?

@MrImaWizard

4 жыл бұрын

@@pupupuia ugh I would so give up the ports for the form factor and better pen holder that charges and the damn screen is so much nicer to look at without an inch and a half of bezel... sigh

@pupupuia

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrImaWizard Yes, I know what you mean. But I really like that the Pro 7 still has a USB A Port, which I use all the time. It surely looks outdated, but the Hardware is mostly up to date and very powerfull, specially compared to the Pro X. Yes, I really hoped that the new pen / keyboard would be compatible with this device, but afterwards the Pen is not really that important I guess. The battery of the Normal Surface Pen should hold around a Year, so you really never have to worry about recharging (While I see many iPad and Apple Pencil users sticking their pen in their lightning port of the iPad in every single lecture). And the classic pen holds on very tight with the magnets, so it really is an amazing device, even without the Pen Storage in the Keyboard.

I just hope that next year the Surface pro 8 uses that Surface pro X body.

The first wood table, the marble kitchen counter and the third black table are all amazing. I wasn’t even looking at the Surface.

Your reviews are so calm and cool Dieter.. keep up the good work 🙂

Is it wrong that I'm more interested in the location where this review was filmed rather than the Surface Pro X?

@BananaAllergy

4 жыл бұрын

mcrazza Nope, me too.

@DarkwearGT

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@TabletPro

4 жыл бұрын

What beautiful cinematography

@chibuzorifediorah5045

4 жыл бұрын

The only reason I came to to comment section is to see if someone else fell in love with the location.

@middletransport

4 жыл бұрын

Probably various parts of the San Francisco Bay Area, given that Dieter lives there and in the unusable Photoshop app, Dieter was attempting to edit a picture of the Oakland Tribune building.

Wow, that hardware is gorgeous! I recently got a Surface (dunno which one, bought in winter 2018) to complement my Macbook Air and I am loving it. I won't need another computer for at least a few years, but when I do, I hope Microsoft has fixed the ARM problems because this Pro X is gorgeous, especially with the built-in pen holder for the keyboard

The Verge doing the best tech reviews these days

@aussienads

4 жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha ha ha! Information you can trust....😂

Where can I buy a “CEO jacket”?

@fartjokes101

4 жыл бұрын

Hugo Boss

@danielmacharia9808

4 жыл бұрын

forever21 😁

@peter1987

4 жыл бұрын

At the Miami Vice store!

@blaster915

4 жыл бұрын

Zara

@eddieanderson9399

3 жыл бұрын

Where can I apply for a CEO job?

Dieter Bohn is the sole reason I still watch The Verge tbh.

this one with windows 10X would be perfect with enough apps of course

@hydzior

4 жыл бұрын

Windows 10x is x86 not ARM :)

@creedbratton1002

4 жыл бұрын

@@hydzior as for now yes, but most likely will go to ARM

@Skullet

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't Windows 10X designed for Intel based dual screen devices?

@AlexK-bk2qv

4 жыл бұрын

@@Skullet Yes, it is. I think they got something wrong.

@creedbratton1002

4 жыл бұрын

@@Skullet it will come to laptops and tablets according to micorsoft docs

If they made a Intel version it would be perfect

@sriramsundar8388

4 жыл бұрын

You can only expect the bezels, slim pen and the keyboard case. You can't expect a similar design.

@riopato2009

4 жыл бұрын

The intel version is the Surface Pro.

@ralexand56

4 жыл бұрын

But with crappier battery life and no lte.

@Katzelle3

4 жыл бұрын

It would also melt and shut down in an hour.

@DogsAreCoolerThanHumans

4 жыл бұрын

You don't get it - the whole point of using ARM chips is to allow them to make such smaller devices with lower (around 4-7W) wattage versus their more power hungrier Intel counterparts (15-40w). It's different architectures for different scenarios, and don't even intend to argue about keeping it simple with an Intel because trust me: it's not THAT simple (Computer Scientist here)... The world would be such a different place if ARM went mainstream.

This was my primary concern was how big of a percentage of apps wouldn't work. Sounds like even higher than I expected. Hopefully this design trickles down to the Surface Pro because that screen is beautiful 😍

Can the Surface Pro X keyboard and pen be used with a Surface Pro 7? I don't expect the size is the same but just wondered if it can be used with it.

Thank you so much perfect video 10/10. I was waiting for a review so badly and this one is great. I got the Surface Pro 7 almost maxed out but wondered if I should maybe make use of my 30day return right and get the surface pro X when it’s out because DAAAAAAMN those bezels on the SP7 are fugly.... but now I know it’s a straight up NO. The surface Pro 7 runs great and with the i7 I can even run games like Battlefront 2 in low settings and low res in 60FPS - the games don’t look great that way but for on the go It really still is fun and makes me think IF I return it I‘d get the surface book 2....too bad that thing is outdated and a new one is expected to be released any time soon...

@OmarYaujar

4 жыл бұрын

is not outdated still pretty amazing an cheap nowdays

People haven't discover the beauty of 3:2 displays .. Only Microsoft and Surface users know that

Great review Dieter. Just tried it at a Microsoft store and I need to use surfaces to write and this one is just a little too slow for me, but it is beautifully designed.

so it runs some non-arm apps via an emulator, but it doesn’t support most of them? it must be possible to make an emulator that would run them all, right?

@jm56481

4 жыл бұрын

It basically emulates an X86 processor but it isnt possible to emulate x64 on that chip

Waiting to see the 2020 reviews of the Surface Neo.

The Verge can you answer that all the adobe apps works on this laptop or not ? and can you list what are the draw backs in this laptop is it having better performance than macbook air or not ?

Thank you again, Dieter. You’re the BEST out there. I’ll wait on this purchase and continue using my iPad Pro for LightRoom, et al…

The ARM thing is such a deal breaker. Wish Surface Pro 7 had this new design. That would've been great.

Fantastic review!

Will I be able to work with high level softwares for coding like Android studio and other softwares like that on Surface pro X ??

does affinity photo and affinity designer run on it? If so... how is the performance?

lol omg, now he missed a headphone Jack, oh I forgot it's the Verge

"will the apps come?" *Windows rt flashbacks intensify*

@Boxhead42

4 жыл бұрын

Yea, I am still waiting for the tablet apps for my Android tablet, also.

I was looking to order a laptop today.. I was nervous too see if the ARM stuff was better now? I played it safe and got the surface pro 7

Great review! One of my favorites. You guys keep raising the bar and I love it

Good try Microsoft, you already broke my heart once with Surface RT

I canceled my pre-order twice. Glad I did. Will wait until it has 5G and apps work. Til then, nope. I'll stick with the 6, and maybe switch to the 7.

@TheVerge

4 жыл бұрын

omg i literally did the same before the review unit came!!! not kidding. Ordered it, said wait I am literally going to get a review unit. cancelled. then did that again lol. I have the order history to prove it -- Dieter

@RafaelRoden2024

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheVerge Did we just become best friends? 😭

@blissrunner

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheVerge well, thank god for review units, lol. Wouldn't want $2K device sitting on the dust

@khalled2419

4 жыл бұрын

why does 5g matter? Everything else makes sense, but i don’t get waiting for a feature that barely exists and isn’t coming anytime soon. Unless you are in the very small areas that have access to 5g at the moment

@RafaelRoden2024

4 жыл бұрын

@@khalled2419 "will wait"

Ain't it so fun to see these reviews in a later year.

How does this compare to the Acer switch 7 Black edition? Can you do a review on that product if you haven't already?!

Dieter has come a long way with reviewing tech, his charisma and knowledge are one of the highlights of the Verge. Keep it up 💪🏾

with lower performance than the intel based, consumers expect surface pro x to be cheaper. instead, it's disappointingly going way more expensive.

Will the Surface pro X work with XCloud or Stadia?

so basically the chip is what keeps it at ARM's length?

I use Firefox (has an ARM versión), Office 365, Spotify, Evernote and WhatsApp. Don't use Adobe, don't play Games. App compatibility isn't an issue.

@YouTube2021FM

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, judging by the X they could release a Surface Pro 8 with this design and it’d at least match price and battery. Why bother with ARM.

@galihmukti

4 жыл бұрын

good for you, graphic designers, video makers illustrators, and basically other creative professionals won't use the new surface.

@middletransport

4 жыл бұрын

@@kennyb123 Many 13inch ultrabooks are aimed at the office worker market. All of them cost $800+, yet they are the most popular form factor. So you tell me.

@bradavon

4 жыл бұрын

@@kennyb123 It's not just for looks. I already use a Surface Pro 4. I wouldn't go back to a clamshell laptop. Not for me.

@bradavon

4 жыл бұрын

@@KZread2021FM because it won't match battery, not a chance (the number they quote is hockum) and will possibly have fans to be as thin.

Best review on this yet

Wait. Wait. So this has a nvme right near the sim card slot? Is it just the sd card slot? Or am I hallucinating?

Does it run windows office like exel, word, and so on? Adobe reader is working with this laptop, isn't it?

Damn.. heartbreak is the perfect word to describe it. This is exactly what i feared the Surface Pro X was going to be.... beautifully designed but severely handicapped. Was really hoping for maybe an iPad Pro competitor.

@hand587

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Vu Same. I really wanted to get this when I saw it for the first time online, especially as I have enjoyed Surface products before. But I just cannot justify spending over £1000 for a computer that doesn’t work fully. It’s really sad, I thought this was going to be the killer Surface product!

@Zaptruder

4 жыл бұрын

It really was one of the better drops in clickbaits. "Heartbreak? Surely that's an overexaggeration... Ok, sounds good Dieter, so where's the heartbreak?... " "A-R-M" *heart breaks*

@kavinsuresh5468

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zaptruder It's a Metaphor lol

@Maki-ng4jk

4 жыл бұрын

Just need time to port over ARM stuff

@txmoney

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This is a step in the WRONG direction. Microsoft seems to forget their past mistakes. This reminds me of the Surface RT. Remember when that was supposed to be the flagship device? Just about everyone rejected that and went for the afterthought Surface Pro. A billion dollar write-down later the Surface Pro is the success story. Now MS releases this silly ARM based, watered down experience. I’m sure come October 2020 MS will release the Surface Pro 8 with the Surface X form factor but with REAL intel and/or AMD internals.

That Photoshop performance is extremely disappointing, it's simply too slow for an application I'd be looking to buy a $1000 laptop to use anyways. If I'm just going run Chrome, spotify etc., I'll simply get a Chromebook as Dieter alludes this device should almost be categorized as.

@LzysGraphics

4 жыл бұрын

"if you just need Office, and email, and Spotify, and Netflix and whatever, this thing is great". Is almost definitely a true statement, sadly, a Chrome OS device would do the trick just fine at a much lower price point, not to mention the plethora of Windows 10 devices, Surface Pro 7 etc., which are much more powerful and therefore be much more versatile and capable than the X.

Good review. Explains all the ups and downs. I agree with the fear of arm apps especially after they discontinu d windows mobile.. which was my favorite cell phone the lumia 950

Awesome, wish this type cover could work on the other surfaces

hory shet Dieter is so smooth with subtle ice-breaking, for almost 10 mins of speech. damn skilled host we have here.

6:36 woooh *sigh*

I'm going back to school for accounting and I didnt realise excel wasnt optimized for this processor. Is it going to hamper use significantly through the emulation? I dont think many of the other apps are things I necessarily will need just for my day to day school usage but man I really REALLY want the X for the sole reason that in every physical and visual way it is superior to the pro 7

Great review, maybe I will wait for next revision

"Most windows apps aren't optimized for arm" *laughs in Windows RT and Windows 10 S*

Missed opportunity on the title. Surface Pro X review: ARMbreaker.

@BertrandBrussel

4 жыл бұрын

Way to sweep the leg!

@LosEspookys

4 жыл бұрын

boooo

For artists who like to draw, would you recommend this one. Is this going to be lag free?

the windows logo reflection at 8:26 is accidental genius...

4:42 waiting for Photoshop to zoom in Me: waiting for Photoshop on iPadOS

@fritzchristoph8670

4 жыл бұрын

Its available since yesterday!

@ainl0310

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@khairi8901

4 жыл бұрын

Christoph Fritz It’s already out. Your joke is outdated.

@fajarkurniawan9434

4 жыл бұрын

Christoph Fritz ah yes, thanks for the heads up

I personally think MS is "testing" the form factor and waiting for Intel processors to catch up in the next couple of generations.

This guy is so awesome, that he stills all the focus. I could have listen to him for hours!

Great review, thank you. I really appreciate your approach.

MS: You can not simply switch to ARM without sacrificing on performance and app compatibility. Apple:

@msp5138

3 жыл бұрын

And what is Apple's compatability on 3rd party apps? Also, you do know that Apple has 33 million few apps/programs than Windows, correct?

Microsoft-Qualcomm SQ1 vs Apple A12X Bionic?

Will it run shadow gaming app? Then I can just remote into my shadow and play games

Should i get a macbook air or surface pro x?

Dieter Bohn: *tries to tell us about the future of computing* *is also dressed like an undercover cop from the 80s*

A stand up comedian, actor, reviewer combined

Why does the performance increase when connected to power rather than battery?

Another great review Dieter! You nailed it.

Let me summarize it for you. It is absolutely useless device in comparison to surface 7

@cr1m203

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much.

Thanks for the review but I'm buying it

Does MYOB and OneDrive work on it? Clearly I'm confused about which programs work or don't work on it.

@MartinSjoholm

4 жыл бұрын

J B +1 on your question. Need to get OneDrive to work.

What is ARM ? How is it any different from Intel processors?

It’s a fancy remote desktop client

@chewbster

4 жыл бұрын

Hiu-Man Cheung I actually wonder if you csn run Linux apps with the subsystem. That way I wouldn’t really care about the app gap

@ahmadafiquddin

4 жыл бұрын

Im wondering how good the pro x is for web development work, heard it can run wsl

6 hours? Heck I'm gettin the ipad

@chydi10

4 жыл бұрын

Vandel Jason Strypper smart choice

@campkira

4 жыл бұрын

window used too much power... this is more like RT and it can only do 6...

@LazyPCRehab

4 жыл бұрын

This processor in the Galaxy Book 2 with 8GB of RAM and these speakers, would've been perfect.

@pellegew

4 жыл бұрын

Reviews get 12 hours if they don't use Chrome

@LazyPCRehab

4 жыл бұрын

@@pellegew I highly doubt that.

Oooohhhhh that thumbnail is so nice, great work guys

what is the apple watch leather strap that he wears? it looks good.

2:40 The design of Surface Pro 7 should be 5 years old, if you count from the 2014 Surface Pro 3.

Dieter bohn "Look" 2019 - Best Reviewer.

How about installing prime os in dual boot on this device?

WoW The Verge this was a thrill. Please more videos that have a black background like this one. This was hot!

Pro Tip: Move start bar to the top of the screen. No, this is not an excuse for the poor element of design here. It is just a tip. Nothing more, nothing less.

@SamBao

4 жыл бұрын

Scaling the UI also helps I guess

@TheVerge

4 жыл бұрын

I thought about it. But I think most people leave it down at the bottom. It's just super convenient to tap it to switch apps. - Dieter

I thought that was a drawing iPad so u just clicked

Can you revisit the surface go ans it is still worth it?

Nice thumbnail, I noticed the surface and the pen form an X, clever!