Supreme Courts 8-1 Decision Changes California's Mag Ban Case, Duncan v. Bonta
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals had been waiting on the SCOTUS decision before deciding California's "Mag Ban" case Duncan v. Bonta. After the decision came down both parties, "appellants" and "appellee's" submitted briefs to the court. The plaintiffs briefs completely overturned certain arguments the 9th had brought up.
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Never underestimate the ability of the 9th circuit to misinterpret the law and continue to delay 2A rights.
@ron6547
18 күн бұрын
They’re not misinterpreting it! They are ignoring it!
@gunblade7610
18 күн бұрын
There should be a certain amount of "misinterpretations" you are allowed until the moment you are disbarred because clearly you don't know what you are doing as a judge. If a forklift operator keeps crashing into product, they get fired because they clearly can't do the job. We need to be able to fire government officials easier.
@thetrutha2177
18 күн бұрын
I think you mean fascists, ignoring Americans rights.
@MrZaza-wi7ou
18 күн бұрын
They’ll probably send it back down if that can Delay delay delay
@UserUser14880
18 күн бұрын
Can you please do your sponsor advertisement at the end of your videos. Everytime your sponsor advertisement starts i get discouraged and dont finish watching.
Unfortunately, the 9th Circuit is guided by political principles, not constitutional principles.
@tomjackson4374
18 күн бұрын
Thomas has already said that the Second Amendment covers AR-15's and like rifles. It is way past time to make it official and the law of the land.
@FIGGY65
18 күн бұрын
The 9th is guided by their collective ,activist mindset: Feelings/emotions, and virtue signaling hypocrisy.
@333Kdigital
18 күн бұрын
17 goals for sustainable development, agenda 2030 (Agenda 21) not political principles. They are private agendas being pushed by their members who also hold positions of public service
@Aerogamer158
18 күн бұрын
The 9th circuit also allowed open carry legal everywhere in its jurisdiction unless the state has a concealed weapon license.
@Eddie87Grant
18 күн бұрын
@@JoseyWales44s you get it!!!
The 9th circuit doesn't care about doing what is lawful. It is an activist court.
@garycallihan4206
18 күн бұрын
Ship the court to Pyongyang.
@billmullins6833
17 күн бұрын
True that!
@johnpopoff7950
17 күн бұрын
Ninth circus is a POS court.
@teevee2145
16 күн бұрын
All are
@pigxstix
15 күн бұрын
True, but they're actually not as bad as they used to be so there's still hope.
The 9th circus won't care what ruling comes out. Tyrants do not care about the Constitution or SCOTUS rulings. Thanks for all the research and hard work you do for us.
@mutantryeff
18 күн бұрын
The 9th Circus should be fed to the circus lions
@tomvana4270
18 күн бұрын
Time to let the 9th we mean business. Follow the United States Constitution!
@svbarryduckworth628
18 күн бұрын
Too many clowns, not enough lions. Buy some chippers.
@carguy3028
18 күн бұрын
I hope the ruling gives them the confidence to rule against us. We already know how they want to go, they were going to hold this case and delay as long as they can as long as they think they can’t rule against us. We want to loose quickly and get up to the Supreme Court.
@marioarias9942
18 күн бұрын
Tyrants come from both sides of the political aisle now.
It's time for citizens to sue bonta boi for unconstitutional keeping our rights from us.
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
It wouldn't matter. The state has unlimited financial resources and can afford to fight in the courts forever. The average citizen does not.
@thinkingimpaired5663
17 күн бұрын
Becerra and Holder still negatively influence California law. Holder still gets paid too as a consultant. Eric converted to consultant after his employed position was revealed.
California has a magazine disconnect requirement. Without a magazine, a pistol cannot fire. Therefore a pistol magazine is absolutely unquestionably an incorporated part of the firearm and therefore 2A applies.
@meowzedonger
18 күн бұрын
This.
@user-mb8js3cb4t
18 күн бұрын
Mine fires fine, yours is broken.
@cops312
18 күн бұрын
@@user-mb8js3cb4tyou’re missing the point
@atranimecs
18 күн бұрын
theyll say a 1 round magazine lol
@THall-vi8cp
18 күн бұрын
@user-mb8js3cb4t Depends on when the pistol was added to the roster. New pistols have to have mag disconnects.
I'll be 90 years old before this case or the AWB case is settled.
@not-fishing4730
18 күн бұрын
I'm 70 now and I figure I'll be planted before many of these laws are overturned. I help and donate for my children and grandchildren so they can have some freedom in the Tyrannical State of California.
@renehernandez6905
18 күн бұрын
@@not-fishing4730maybe by then they’ll have straightened it out
@dtna
18 күн бұрын
I'll be dead. I purchased mine in the 20th Century. And Greasy Newsome will also put in his two cents. We'll see.
@gilbertvargas4757
18 күн бұрын
I’m sad to say that might even be optimistic
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
Don't worry. California will have been annexed by China long before then! 😂 🇨🇳
If they can limit them to ten ,they can limit them to 2
@mariop8576
18 күн бұрын
Before you know it these tyrants will ban magazines altogether and we be left with single shot semi-autos.
@GrySgtBubba
18 күн бұрын
Look no further than new jersey or new york...or Canada!
@robertlawson698
18 күн бұрын
or zero!
@davidnicholas7516
18 күн бұрын
If they can limit them they can completely ban them. And remember, they require every new pistol you buy have a "magazine disconnect" safety, which of course with a banned magazine you'd have an $800 paperweight.
@saynotocensorship
18 күн бұрын
They’re working on it 🤬
It really pisses me off that there was an ad with obama before this video asking to donate $5 for joe and kamala. KZread does not know where to place ads lmao
@gunztommiegunz
18 күн бұрын
FJB and democrats for the same reason.
@kcstott
18 күн бұрын
Actually they do. KZread gets paid for how many times an ad runs, not how many times someone clicks through. KZread doesn't care if the ad hit the right audience or not. they get paid anyway.
@lonniebeal6032
18 күн бұрын
I skipped the ad
@casterakabadman805
18 күн бұрын
Yep and then when their advertisers complain they sabotage your channel to one degree or another lol can't believe the digital mayhem social media is these days. Just like anything it became another extreme smh
@TheKorath1
18 күн бұрын
@@lonniebeal6032 I got Bidenomic must be stop at all cost ad.
"Large caliber magazines". These ignorant judges are infuriating.
@BrandensOutdoorChannel
18 күн бұрын
yep...
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848
18 күн бұрын
People who know nothing about firearms or their functionality are ruling on the 2A….
@randyhanson837
15 күн бұрын
Nobody needs more than ten clips in a magazine. LOL They should all have to take a basic competency course and test before ruling on things. The 9mm blows the lung out and a bump stock increases the caliber.
Using the reasoning that a magazine is just an accessory and isn't necessary for the operation of a semi-auto firearm, is the same as saying a gas tank is just an accessory and is not necessary for the operation of an internal combustion engine.
@robertbridges517
18 күн бұрын
An ink reservoir for a newspaper's printing press would be an accessory also and not necessary to print a paper. Dear LATimes... embrace you inner Ben Franklin and use only a single stage press.
@gregkunkel708
18 күн бұрын
@@robertbridges517Who needs this new fangled offset printing. Long live letterpress! Long live the Linotype!
The tea pot is protected under the second amendment! If it is used as an arm! Which is precisely why the second amendment just says arms. Not guns, or knives, not cannons, but arms. Because anything can be used as an arm.
@mb9662
18 күн бұрын
It’s almost like the 2nd amendment is meant to limit the government from ever disarming the people of any and all arms, be they guns or swords or armor or anything that a man may take into his hands to striketh at another or to defend against another.
@PioneerRifleCompany
18 күн бұрын
Wow, another patriot! I literally just said the same thing in different words about the coffee pot. :)
@phlodel
18 күн бұрын
@@PioneerRifleCompany We can use the teapot for an arm, since we threw the tea into the harbor.
@CHEECHMUN
18 күн бұрын
100%. I thought the same.
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848
18 күн бұрын
This is a very good point! I also like that a victory for this argument restores my right to carry a cutlass on my hip.
If a magazine is not a threat because it can’t “attack anyone,” as the judge said, then why is CA trying to ban them?
@omni1omni244
15 күн бұрын
Chinese have requested. As their soldiers enter America.
Saying a magazine is an accessory is like arguing that a gas tank in your car is an accessory. They both serve the same purpose and capacity is an issue for the use of the item.
@Norcal18
18 күн бұрын
👏🏼 👏🏼
@Steve-xm3mv
16 күн бұрын
@@GreyBBeard we can take that farther to emission controls. The car runs better without them
9th wont care, they will say any mags purchased during freedom week are illegal to posses, and we will have to continue to act like we (californians) care and just keep doing whatever we want 🤣
@chiefjoseph8154
18 күн бұрын
California is a communist state voted in by communist.
Absolutely insane how long this case has taken to go up and down and back around through the courts when this should be a clear and obvious infringement of our 2A rights in California.
California has the stupidest rule where the firearm needs a magazine disconnect. That would not allow the gun to work if it didn’t have a magazine
If this ends at the 9th circuit my jaw will literally drop. I'll believe it when I see it. Optimism is a disappointing thing to have here in California
"Mr. Gambini, your witness." ~ "Mr. Tipton, when you viewed the defendants walking from their car into the Sac-O-Suds, what angle was your point of view?"
I say this every time, but the courts are addressing this backwards. The issue is not about "large capacity magazines." It is about "limited capacity magazines. In other words, the burden is not on the People to prove that large magazines are constitutional, it is on the state to prove that limited magazines are constitutional. Magazines" themselves are self-evidently required for the functionality of constitutionally-protected arms. The question is wether or not the state can ARBITRARILY limit the capacity of those magazines and therefore the associated arms. Per Bruen, this is a cut-and-dry "NO" unless the state can find a historical tradition of laws limiting the capacity of arms, which by this point, we all no there is none.
@PaulsColoradoPhotography
18 күн бұрын
I wanna copy this statement. It's absolutely perfect
@timothyevans4323
17 күн бұрын
I’ve been saying this all along. We should have one case, direct to the SCOTUS, that ALL gun laws/rules are unconstitutional infringements. Furthermore any new gun laws/rules passed are a deprivation of rights under color of law, a felony under 18 USC, Sec 242 & 243.
The 9th circus will never do what is right or correct.
File a lawsuit against the 9th circus for delaying our rights. 10 year of delays is denial of our rights and the courts must be forces to finish and they must not be allowed to constantly remand... Or appeal.
@dizzleslaunsen2372
15 күн бұрын
Why don’t you start the go fund me? If it’s so simple why is nobody willing to do it and only suggest other people do it?
The 9th circuit is like being seconds from climax and then your kids open the door.
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848
18 күн бұрын
😂 💀
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
Yikes! An awkward situation! 😂
ANY state the refuses to abide by the courts should forefit all federal monies. Its atrocious that taxpayers have tp pay for all these herrings already. It should be re read.. not re written! Stay safe and be well.. God bless
Being a firearms owner in a blue state is very exhausting. Greetings From the People's Republic of Washington State. Side note, we are dealing with the same thing. Our freedom week back in March lasted exactly 88 minutes before our prick of an AG ruined everything again.
It’s time for scotus to jail California politicians. This endless cycle of harassment must stop.
@cravenmoorehead6219
18 күн бұрын
I agree but when was the last time a politician went to jail. When's the last time one was even indicted 🤔
@88kar88
18 күн бұрын
That requires action from the executive branch
@YeomanArcher
18 күн бұрын
They need to make a 3 strikes rule and cool off period for new laws. If you propsed law fails 3 times in a row, bro, nobody wants it, stop spamming. Time out for 3 years.
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
They have no power to jail anybody and never did.
Sooo did we win?
@erniegarcia6372
18 күн бұрын
One downside is the rambling for 15 min then 2 min of some info.
@Shenanigans318
18 күн бұрын
@@erniegarcia6372 the video is 11 minutes wrong. Work on basic counting first.
@ltx383
18 күн бұрын
@@Shenanigans318lol corrects someone but doesn’t answer the question. Lol we never win my friend. Act accordingly and prepare accordingly F the Circus Court. He believes we will win in regards of how common sense the argument is but common sense is Latin in the 9th Circus court.
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
No.
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
@@ltx383"Prepare accordingly" by leaving the state.
Why are you click-baiting us like you're Armed Scholar??I 😂😂
@gunnbunny74
18 күн бұрын
Truth
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
It's all about soliciting for advertising revenues in the end. 😊
I’m expecting the 9th Circus to sit on this case in perpetuity if they can’t find a way to, once again, “misinterpret” the plain language of the Supreme Court and the Constitution.
One step forward, before the ninth makes us go two steps back. 😮
It's astounding how many different anti gun politicians refer to them as "high CALIBER magazines"
@funtime77777
18 күн бұрын
They are high caliber magazines. 😂 Thats why we want them. Too funny.
@noncompliant209cali
18 күн бұрын
@@funtime77777 It's "High Capacity". Do you even own firearms? If you do you should really know the difference between caliber and capacity. The only thing they have in common is they start with the letter C
@funtime77777
18 күн бұрын
@@noncompliant209cali It’s a play on words. High caliber: “highly capable”. I’d define my magazines as highly capable. Please stop attacking like minded individuals, unless you’re just trolling. In that case, please educate yourself. I’m pro 2A and in no way a supporter of morons. I’m going to chock your comment up, as a visceral reaction and miss understanding of my failed attempt at a joke.
@kevinhoward5520
18 күн бұрын
😂💯
@CL053DC45K37
18 күн бұрын
@noncompliant209cali no they are standard capacity mags. Double stack 9mms come with 15+ round mags from the factory. They are standard capacity mags. A 30rd mag for an AR is a standard capacity mag because they are again what the factory sends with those rifles in most states. This 10rd mag bs is made up bs by politicians. The manufacturer of the firearms are in my mind the one who dictate what is standard capacity of their firearms not the government who is full of activists that want a communist state. These woke brain ded politicians are not firearms experts and therefore shouldn't be able to make up random bs without involvement of real experts I.E. people who actually know about firearms.
Everything has been written well and straight to the point in our favor but like always you were wrong. Seeing as California has the 9th circuit in their pockets and regardless of any ruling they will do what they want without any consequences
9th circuit judges should all be charged for never upholding Supreme Court rulings.
@x3dominator28
13 күн бұрын
They should be impeached for sure.
@lonniebeal6032
8 күн бұрын
@@x3dominator28 You spelled hung wrong...
The "ninth" is like everything else having to do with the California legal system. It's all a big joke just like the state's Governor, Craven Gruesome!
9th will just sit on it, or pass it around for the next few years. I’d love to see this overturned. But even Bruen couldn’t even make it happen. California has a gift of rewarding, and contorting things into their favor.
Mark Smith, Four Boxes Diner has said the SCOTUS will not be taking any of these cases in the foreseeable future. The recent ruling from the SCOTUS on the three Illinois AWB cases and Antonyuk case from New York just put the 2A years away from being considered again being sent to the lower courts for review.
If they made decisions off logic and law, it would have been settled already.
The delay tactics employed be the courts should get a reprimand by the SCOTUS. This crap must stop. The magazine ban has been overturned and we should be able to have STANDARD capacity magazines which is whatever the manufacturer chooses to supply.
I’ve left California two weeks ago and still watch this channel. It feels good to have a regular ar and regular magazine.
@darkside59
17 күн бұрын
I've left California 4 years ago and am still watching these videos. Feel sorry for all my friends and families suffering with this crazy laws.
@Empty_07
16 күн бұрын
Yup I got a few months ago too 😁
Magazines are not just an accoutrement, magazines are essentially to arms as barrel shroud.
A couple of years ago a California county sheriff did a video on magazines with thirty rounds. The difference was a few seconds.
So sick and tired of the laws with California. Complete clown show.
Using the SAME argument, features should be off the table as well. If magazines are protected, so should full featured AR-15's.
FLAW: @4.20 With Magazine disconnects, the magazine *IS* needed for operation of the pistol. "In California, an “unsafe handgun” includes any handgun that does not have both a chamber load indicator and *a magazine disconnect mechanism*
@hanelyp1
18 күн бұрын
Loading the next round is part of normal operation for a modern firearm.
The simple response to the judges question is: where in the 2nd amendment does it say you can only bear arms if they're under a certain capacity? Why would the founder want less capacity if the whole point of the 2nd amendment was to provide security? So the founders wanted people to be under the capacity and outgunned in relation to equipment in common use?
If 2A is actually about firearms, you would need background check before posting and only allowed to post what's approved by government.
Thanks for the updates brother. Great how you keep close track on this info, and break it down for everyone to understand, its incredibly important for everyone on our 2A rights.
The right of the people to keep and be arms shall NOT be infringed.
Get ready for magazines to be serialized and background check 😑
You would think these courts would follow the laws they swore to! Needs a change...
In California; if you are caught with a loaded magazine, it is considered a loaded weapon.
Of course a magazine part of “arms”. If it wasn’t then why would you want to ban it?
These "judges" are despots in robes. It's all a big show and they have the attitude to match. I have no respect for their "courts". They are propped up by power, not reason.
@breakermorant2428
18 күн бұрын
Yes... the Robes... good movie with Oliver Reed. The Judiciary the Religious and the Educational Robes that think they still run the world.
Honestly not going to wait for the laws to get better here. I'm taking my Red vote to a red state. 😂
Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, every time St. Benetiz writes a tome of how our rights are being trampled, we hear yet again how this is a "solid ruling" and a "slam dunk" that the 9th Circus...err... Circuit will just fawn, see the light and make amends for all their sins and we Californians will have our 2A rights restored in full. Dude, I wholeheartedly appreciate to the utmost your ability to explain these things in a common language, but I just cannot muster the same level of enthusiasm. The Nutty 9th, with it's comments of a coffee pot being comparable to an "arm" just says it all. Until SCOTUS has the balls to actually hear cases and rule on them instead of waggling their fingers at the lower courts for improper rulings and then kicking the can back to them "to get it right this time", nothing will change. Lastly - FJB!
Thanks for all the updates!!
Won't change anything for me regardless of whatever happens. I will conceal carry whenever wherever and however many rounds I want.
@TurboCarlos
18 күн бұрын
Fed
@jimgordon3206
18 күн бұрын
Don’t get caught. The entire purpose of concealing a weapon is no one knows you have it. What could be simpler. The only time it matters is if someone sees it or you have to use it.
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848
18 күн бұрын
Cool story bro. If you get caught CA will throw the book at you and strip of 2A rights as a felon.
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
Please try not to get caught.
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848I know! Is it really worth it just to feel macho and feel like you somehow "stuck it" to the courts?
Thanks for not going off on random tangents or rants and just presenting facts. I greatly appreciate it.
Heck yeah, but theyll still argue that magazines are not necessary to arms and are not arms. The 9th are a bunch of sheisters.
Ignore them, they passed, again,another criminal act
Does the 2nd amendment cover this water pitcher? YES! If that water pitcher is taken into the hands of a man to use against another in defense of self or others.
Not to mention that banning anything does not prevent it’s use from those who choose to use it. Which makes the idea for banning something to make life safer not a probable outcome. No one is going to consider an assault weapons or magazine ban before they illegally buy an automatic rifle with a drum mag out of the back of some dudes van. Its logicaly unsound and completely moronic
Video starts @2:25
@mb9662
18 күн бұрын
Vid @2:25
@JasonRasmussen
18 күн бұрын
10:50.
You can't fix a corrupt broken system, using the same system, you abolish it and create a new system. New California State. The 51 state. Paul Preston. Share and support!
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
Nice dream but it won't happen.
9th circuit doesn't care, watch then bury the case and prevent a final ruling from ever happening.
Great update! If Trump gets back in office these cases could actually go our way.
It amazes me how they could say anything they want and keep controlling taking everybody freedom
@snappertrx
18 күн бұрын
Don't be amazed. They do it because they believe nobody will stop them or hold them to account. So far they have been right.
I'm worried the brief didn't spell it out that magazines by nature are armaments and therefore protected.
There should be one law across the country. No state should have the right to infringe on 2a or any amendment
The 2A does not protect non-arms....LOL, that's gotta be the funniest idiotic joke I've ever heard.
large caliber magazine lol
How many times does a law in California have to be ruled unconstitutional to finally be unconstitutional? It seems that the 9th Circuit court is working for the state of California and sides with the State Government over the Rights of the People Protected by the U.S. Constitution
@Rollin.the.Wild.West.c14
15 күн бұрын
Yes they do
A magazine is a critical component, not an accessory
Great show and thanks again for the info 👍👍👍👍😊
The 9th keeps making the argument that magazines aren't necessary for the function of firearms but California made it MANDATORY that they not function without one with the introduction of magazine disconnects!
Doesn't the Puckle gun 1718 do away with the statement that the founding fathers couldn't foresee advancements in weaponry? Those men weren't backwards idiots, B Franklin and T Jefferson were highly intelligent and inventors.
So when will we get a decision on this?
@JasonRasmussen
18 күн бұрын
5097
@Valley710
18 күн бұрын
Sounds about right lol
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
Never.
Great Report. Thank You. CJTV
The State of California and the 9th circus court will never let Duncan pass.
Thanks for the update 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I purchased a firearm in May 2024, and am still on delay. Went through with paying for a firearms Live Scan- and still on delay. Tired of this BS from the state of CA
Nothings gonna happen we are fucked forever
@WcHDICE
18 күн бұрын
Cuz it's an spiritual battle good vs evil
@user-nq2oz8tf2l
18 күн бұрын
Go be quiet and cry in the corner then.
@johnniewasr5740
18 күн бұрын
You definitely are with that attitude
@SamPedroCactus
18 күн бұрын
@@WcHDICE That is what it all comes down to.
@therideneverends1697
18 күн бұрын
@@WcHDICE no, its really not
That was the most honest ending to the CA 2A community, "...it's the 9th, you guys get it" 😂
Cali will probably still cost a buck 50 to fill a 30 round mag after sales tax, extra 11% tax and $50 background check fee to purchase ammo.
Is there anything in the wording that prevents the government from putting a $10,000 tax on a firearm or bullets? That is what I am afraid of.
@aquariumdude7829
18 күн бұрын
As a Floridian, I would probably start laughing! 😂
Yeah, during real magazines been out for many years so all of a sudden people that have them say they cannot use them. It does not make sense banning magazines at the capacity they want to control punishing low by being citizens
Blows my mind as I can spend years in the Marine Corps as a armorer yet I’m not trusted enough to be able to own whatever pistol or rifle I want
I really enjoy how straight forward and to the point your videos are. 👍🇺🇲
I love your hope and enthusiasm, and wish the same. Just can’t get over the craziness of the circus 🎪
Remember, Duncan is also holding up Washington v. Gator’s Custom Guns, Brumback v. Ferguson, and Sullivan v. Ferguson. This would be huge!
By what reason did California's law makers decide on 10 rounds why not 8 or 12 ? Also what's so up setting is that they are saying that California's law abiding citizens are not responsible enough to have a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. People in Arizona can have a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds with no problems but Californian can't.
@Franimus
18 күн бұрын
I got a 35 round magazine for my Glock, I love it. Can focus on plinking and training without so many mag changes! Yes, I purchased it as soon as I heard a nearby state was considering banning anything over 34 rounds.
You're the man William! Appreciate all you do brotha 🇺🇸
What the hell was that guy talking about ~ large caliber Magazines ?? my 10-22 has 20 round Magazines
Ahh yes, your honor. A pitcher of water is EXACTLY like a gun magazine. Very astute argument.
What they failed to realize is that restricted magazines make it impossible to buy guns with those normal magazines
Bearable arms includes offensive and defensive which includes body armor
@mb9662
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It even includes water pitchers if you use it for self-defense and other lawful purposes of arms
@88kar88
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It essentially encompasses combat equipment. The purpose isn't just to protect a firearm it is ARMS in general, and the equipment necessary for combat, including Armor, medical kits, camo, kneepads, helmets, night vision, flashlights boots, whatever is needed and used in the pursuit of being an effective combatant in a fight for the security of your person, property, loved ones, AND our nation. The military is generally a good place to look to find what is combat essential.
Still the Ninth Circus bud!
In California the firearm cannot fire if a magazine is not inserted into the firearm. By their laws a magazine is absolutely necessary.
While not as palatable, I think we'd all be better served with strict and realistic conversations about the state of the 2nd. This is not that conversation.
Magazine band are like allowing the bow, the arrow, but not the quiver.