A laryngeal vibrato does not automatically make a note unsupported. Support is a spectrum, it's not black or white. If a note has support 4:32, even if there is tension, there still may be support present. Even more so support than strain/tension. As for the low notes and notes throughout, unsupported notes and strained notes aren't the same thing. A note that's underdeveloped and not hit with proper technique may not necessarily be tense nor strained. An unsupported note can often be not developed, like many of the low notes. Like Lee Hyun and Minah weren't straining, even though they weren't supporting either.

@SlayvatoLover

5 жыл бұрын

KitsuneMale (KpopVocalAnalysis) I mean, you can't say fully supported to a relaxed low notes or a note using forced vibrato even if it has a great support. But yeah, you can say it is kind of supported lol.

@PhantomSinging_channel

5 жыл бұрын

Awww~~ My pleasure to see you here, hope you enjoyed the video... I will write those notes in the description box... 💕

@KitsuneMale

5 жыл бұрын

I never said they were fully supported at all though. I said simply that an unsupported note is not automatically a strained note. Singing is a spectrum, there are degrees of support, development of the vocal cords, tension and types of all of them mixed together.

@SlayvatoLover

5 жыл бұрын

KitsuneMale (KpopVocalAnalysis) I agree. I'll do a video on that and I took this decision a long time ago lol

@SlayvatoLover

5 жыл бұрын

KitsuneMale (KpopVocalAnalysis) I actually said the same thing to someone else. (another comments) He's not that wrong to say the F4 isn't supported (because he's talking about full support) but he's not also right because he call it strain.

sohyang is seriously a goddess

4:32 no that wrong , the vibrato was forced and unnatural but it doesn't equal strain/unsupport , a larynx vibrato add tension but it doesn't take away support keep that in mind also it can be noticed in a numbre of very strong vocalists like ( kyuhyun , junsu , haeri , YEONJI ... ect ) 8:08 head voice can become breathy without losing support take any head voice notes used by shannon recently everything is on the breathy side yet it supported same thing with ailee when she want to add effect

@PhantomSinging_channel

5 жыл бұрын

That laggy vibrato makes the F4 unsupported because it was way too much throat tension...Strain... Falsetto is never considered supported but it can be relaxed like BaekHyun did it

@BAZVOCALS

5 жыл бұрын

too much throat tension nahh that not throat tension that his uncontrollable vibrato but support is there ... calling it strain is a stretch you expect a tenor of his caliber to strain an F4? you linked matty analysis in this so i assume you read his profile, have you saw him say he strain because of his vibrato inside his supported range?

@SlayvatoLover

5 жыл бұрын

BAZISSINO 94 Forced vibrato blocks support... So yeah, it's like Demi Lovato, when she add larynx vibrato the note is unsupported. Even if it has support, it's not fully supported,(which means no tensions and relaxed) it could has diaphragmatic support but still has tensions.

@SlayvatoLover

5 жыл бұрын

Strain = any kind of tensions or high larynx or throatiness etc... So you can't not be straining if you have tensions.... Lol.

@SlayvatoLover

5 жыл бұрын

Even if it's due to your vibrato and not breath support.

Supported is always sound so clear and healthy, thanks for educated us, nice video!

The fact that you didn't even use SoHyang for the "high note" section because everyone knows she's supporting it all lol. Lows 5/5 High notes 12/15 Head voice 8/10 25/30 I'm proud of myself

@vyeagra420

Жыл бұрын

sohyang sounds muffled and quiet below A3,lows get a 1/5

lows: 5/5 high notes: 14/15 head voice: 10/10 OKAY, I’M-

Lows: 5/5 High notes: 14/15 Head voice: 7/10 Total: 26/30 The head voice on was tough! This is a nice work btw, keep it up! 👏

I NEVER SAW THIS VIDEO! IT'S ICONIC!

Really honest answers: Lows: 5/5 (That's very easy, lows are kinda the easiest part to define support vs strain and unsupported) Belts: 14/15 (Damn, I was wrong only at 3 quiz, it was kinda raspy hence I thought it was strained, messed up a bit ) Head voice: 9/10 (Honestly, I disagree with that airy head voice can't be supported, that's simply not true. Airy head voice =/= falsetto, my highest head voice "area" from G5 to D6 is kinda airy too a bit but I still can add compression and sustain notes like forever with stable vibrato and power so it's not falsetto, same with some of these examples) Thanks for video, that was very interesting to hear, more knowledge about defining support vs strain however I do agree with comments that support is a spectrum, like from 1 to 10, same with tension and strain, it's pretty much like equation: Support (1 to 10 points, you can't have 0 at this point cause without support you will be silent, lol, but suppoort can be VERY small and constricted)+ tension (0+10, you can however sing completey without tension, but only greatest vocalists can do so)= final sound, for example Sohyang at basically any note within her supported range: Support (10) + Tension (0) = 10/10, that means resonance Ariana (let's take a look at sustained F5 from Break Free): Support (3/10) + Tension (7/10) = -4, that means strain, although not so big as it could be but still P.S Yes, there are much more happening in our voice, like lifted soft palate, no jaw, tongue tension etc but that was simplification in order to understand how strain can not always be totally strained but just a little strained, same with support, you can still support with tension, that doesn't mean you're straining, that just means you don't fully support and probably don't produce resonance cause of lack of support. But you're still not straining, somebody needs to make a video about levels of straining and supporting. That would be quite new and fresh.

@PhantomSinging_channel

5 жыл бұрын

That is an interesting way of judging a singer... He thing is that whatever the system was, people will always complain about their bias not getting the best score... Thanks for sharing with us your reslutsy💕

Lows: 5/5 Highs: 12/15 Head Voice: 10/10 I thought I'll be worse lol, but to be fair, I did choose my answers based on some of the vocalists shown since some are stronger and some are weaker lmao.

10 High Notes, i am terrible to identify strain in head voice 5 Low note

Omg! Thank you for using Apink Dejavu as a background song 😊❤

@PhantomSinging_channel

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha Yes, I said before, I am Pink Panda♥️

OMG I like this! Could you please do more of these videos! I think it would help me distinguish between strained and supported sounds! Thanks for the vid!

Great video ! Can you do a Western edition please ?!

@andorahatal

5 жыл бұрын

I will make a western edition

Cool video

lows - 5 mixed - 12 head - 8

Great Video

Lows: 5/5 Highs:13/15 Head voice: 10/10 I did better than expected

i did so bad I can't put my score 😅 But I got all the lows Very interesting concept keep up 👏

lows 5/5 high notes 13/15 head voice 6/10 total 24/30 woow

why does 4:57 sound little strained , pushed note to me? Is falsetto considered a strain not a style? 9:53 doesn't sound completely supported to me also seems like something went wrong towards the end when jumping notes

@cauabrito7284

4 ай бұрын

I also had the same two doubts!!

Can we get an updated version?

does anybody know which performance of Ali was that? the one with the red dress 7:42

Can someone tell me can singer achieve resonance in their 3rd octave or only they achieve resonances in 1 octave

19 correct

I have been going into videos of support and watch ppl with support etc so ik what is support so i wanted to test my self i got 27/30 at 10:42 are u sure this is supported ? And at 1:32 it was airy am i wrong ? And at 7:03 it was not tight it was good it was not weak too

4:32 still sound nice to me after the higher note eventho the vibrato isn't that natural

My Score Lows: 5/5 Highs: 7/15 Head Voice: 8/10 20/30..not bad.

@PhantomSinging_channel

5 жыл бұрын

Actually that's great! Even professionals may have some mistakes💪💪 Vocal technique is fun, isn't it?

Lows: 5/5 High notes: 13/15 Head voice: 8/10 I thought I'd be terrible lol

@PhantomSinging_channel

5 жыл бұрын

That is a amazing actually! Some professionals may have some trouble with them!

@humanangel8007

5 жыл бұрын

@@PhantomSinging_channel I'm actually shocked! I started watching videos about vocal technique less than a year ago. And I never got any classical vocal training.

So not all strains sound bad?

@slaypa

2 жыл бұрын

yes not all strains sound bad,look at ariana grande she always strains above Eb5 but she still sound good

@melaniaarce8226

Жыл бұрын

​@@slaypaThat's because Ariana keeps good placement and mixes well

Hwang f4 was nowhere near supported it is tense

@ieltcsn4712

3 жыл бұрын

It was supported. The quasi-distorted sound wasn't caused by tension. That is exactly how he sounds in all of his registers,

Ok so these are my answers (oops I'm giving away the answers...): Low notes: 1. Strained (I can barely hear it lol) 2. Not strained (I'm not using the term "support" cuz it's not a real thing) 3. Strained (I was wrong 💀) 4. Strained 5. Not strained High notes: 1. Strained 2. Not strained 3. Strained (great I was wrong here too) 4. Strained 5. Not strained 6. Not strained 7. Strained 8. Not strained 9. Strained (❌) 10. Not strained 11. Strained (it seemed like he was putting in a lot of effort) 12. Strained 13. Strained 14. Strained 15. Strained Head voice: 1. Not strained 2. Strained 3. Strained 4. Not strained 5. Strained (❌) 6. Strained 7. Strained 8. Strained 9. Strained (❌) 10. Not strained Lows: 4/5 High notes: 13/15 Head voice: 8/10 So I got 25/30. I could do better, now that I think about it. I guess I'm better at identifying strain in high belts than in low notes or head voice (identifying strain in a belt is quite easy though, because you can hear it in the way the sound is produced)

If you think breath vocals is strained then you are wrong

what is 9:37?

@PhantomSinging_channel

5 жыл бұрын

Slayage😂😂😂😂

@fannyl6656

5 жыл бұрын

@@PhantomSinging_channel video link pleeeaaasseee

Can't still understand why people're reacting Jungkook as Vocal King! Even if we're forgetting support range, his vocal is still not impressive one. His runs are messy and sometimes the vocal strain made him went out of tune. Sometimes, his falsetto are sharp and mostly breathy. Sometimes, he produce heady mix. How can he be called as vocalist? It is not hate on people liking his voice. May be people can love his stylistic choice and way of singing. But, he is not a standard vocalist even among Kpop male idols.

@GuinevereYT

Жыл бұрын

Because almost all kpop fans is army

@honestopinion8830

Жыл бұрын

@@GuinevereYT I don't think almost all Kpop fans. Cause I know that most Blink, VIP, EXOL are not ARMY. These big fandoms use to have Fan wars with ARMYs. Moreover, many Carats, Stays, Swifties and Directioners are also not get along with ARMYs. But, it is true that ARMY fandom is really big. Regardless of how big and powerful of Fandom, it is not right thing to Claim their Fav as Vocal King while his vocal is really weak. It is unethical.

@GuinevereYT

Жыл бұрын

@@honestopinion8830 Yes Its Wrong to claim Jungkook is a Vocal King , if me i will give Vocal King title to Kyuhyun/Jung DongHa/Park Hyosin But Imagine the power of a fandom, jungkook is literally a D tier vocalist and can get Vocal king title💀

@honestopinion8830

Жыл бұрын

@@GuinevereYT Yes, that's the point I want to say. The power of Fandom is nothing to do with art quality and professional ability. It mainly relates with social influencing in media era. I hope people stop culture of sticking to one Fandom and destroying music industry by spamming streams, views and mass buying for one/group of idol. And, producing remixes with discounts is also not good in ethical point of view cause it helps a lots for those fans of one fandom to spam buying the digital song. It is just loss for Music and Art.

@GuinevereYT

Жыл бұрын

@@honestopinion8830 Agree with you

3:48 oh no not this again